Can do!

Thank you. I am very data driven. I am of course not a science lab, but sometimes there's that question that pops in your head, and I like to be the guy to try answer it to the best of my ability. There's always a bit of truth stretching/marketing in any product category, and I constantly strive to help make sense of it when it comes to armor and ammo :D

@@BuffRANGE That's just another reason I subscribed to this channel . Analysis is the root to solution !

Thanks! Will do!

Right on!

Thanks so much!

You bet!

It shall be done!

Given the time and opportunity. I would say this applies best here "Keep shooting until the threat stops" :D

@@BuffRANGE A very interesting test would be IIIA HDPE hard armor with IIIA soft armor behind it. I suspect that would stop a lot of 10.5" and similar AR rounds such as PSP, etc, especially heavier lower velocity rounds like Mk262, but ive never seen that tested. Can you make it happen?

@@Valorius no I've seen 5.56 go through multiple level IIIA in a row. M855 obviously does best because of the penetrator but also the m193 ball goes through. M855 out of 10.5 goes through level 3 rifle rated HDPE.

@@fujimi715 m855a1 is more superior than regular green tip m855. Black tip M995 takes the win over all. That tungsten core will take out an engine block.

I mean, that plate is already shot to hell. No way it would go through a fresh plate.

I likely had the gas turned down. I have it set to 2. I just am completing a VG 5.7 brass video and looking at the footage the brass is still going at 3-4 o'clock. To my knowledge I am not sure if they've tightened up the magwell or not :(

Link to their particular offering?

From my own testing, modern IIIA will stop 5.7mm up to SS198 green tip from a handgun, and anything hotter than than will defeat it. Elite S4m at 2300+ fps is basically where the 5.7mm truly becomes "armor piercing" vs IIIA soft armor (not IIIA special threat though)

It shall be done

A what ?

It's a rifle. My uncle had it. It was left to me

Yes, It was posted on AR15.com's youtube channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rpyAbKWr3LavpKc.html

What's it made out of? Steel or UHMWPE?

Yep, about 40 videos or so using their products. PlayList: >> kzfaq.info/sun/PL9jq6jk84CX1WHa0eiI_DuSJPL6DtM4cH

I think that means you need to keep making more! Haha. I'm almost out of the ones I bought in September.

The T6B lot is 2019. The picture is the only T6B picture I have on my image folder :(

Indeed Repeal NFA!

you can replicate a Full auto P90 by using a CMMG Banshee 5.7mm with a binary trigger and some practice. And for less money probably.

@@Valorius 50 round mag?

Anyone can buy the Black Dragon Fang. It's always sold out there.

@@BuffRANGE well how do I get a hold of some.

I believe it was me who stated those 2 points. 1. FN Mags work, but in my T&E sample the magwell is too large and the mag would move around too much at times and could cause feeding issues. 2. There is NO barrel shoulder on the DBX. If you mount a can try to find one that has a mount that indexes off the muzzle, and not the barrel shoulder. If you can't, definitely use an alignment rod to verify no contact before shooting.

Do you think this adaptor would solve the problem? kmtactical.net/product/1-2x28-1-2x28-thread-adapter-stainless-extension/

I took a glancing blow from a 54r in Iraq years back. Talk about a powerful round.

The energy you would feel is equal to the energy the shooter is getting from recoil. Hence why "stopping power" is fuddlore. Obviously there are some factors that make the shooter feel less recoil than there is energy from the bullet at the muzzle but if you have a straight blowback, that is the energy you would feel getting hit in armor minus however much energy is dispersed around the armor. I've been shot twice. Once in the chest and in the knee. The energy that I felt from the initial hits felt like a medium-low strength punch. No more than how hard you get hit in the shoulder by a standard ar-15. In fact it felt just like if you put the stock of an ar into your chest and fired a round and then put the stock on your knee and fired a round. Of course that's just the initial hit. You best believe the extreme pain didnt take long to set in from the bullets shattering my bones. Lol

​@JTheraos I would've figured the weight of the rifle would've dissipated some recoil in comparison to taking a round but hey I've never been shot so I'll defer to your experience. Hope your injuries healed well.

Yea but you'd live and be able to fight back

Indeed :D

I believe he still does. They were around $500/pr shipped.

I don't own any x54R guns :(

@@BuffRANGE but... you’re the buffman

The original Ss90 loads.

Thats awesome, love the channel keep up the great work!

The Ss90 rounds don’t perform as good as the T6B and the black fang correct?

“Just keep shooting “

I would say so as it looks like it may bottom out on the muzzle.

Oops just saw your response. What do you mean by bottom out?

Well go ahead and do that then.

@@GunFunZS definetly

shoe me your pushups then maybe I will. And of course stop making up worthless derogatory names too :)

I have one lol

Not everyone has SS190 AP.

@@BuffRANGE I was able to get it no problem. Just expensive

@@fujimi715 I have plenty of it :D I just didn't have any for the test, and most would complain that "Ss190 too expensive". I had the best off the shelf 5.7 on hand that day :D

Like on the boxes of ammo ?

@@BuffRANGE yea like ie 2300fps but when you watch the camera footage it’s like 2140,2440,2220,2340 etc all the different shots.

Soon as the ceramic’s shot out it’s only a matter of punching through layers of UHMWPE.

@@PolynesianSaus That boron Carbide is very hard. Saved my life in Iraq

@@theimmortal4718 yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how the tech improves and changes in the next decade. Maybe they can add some sort of metal oobleck as a backer to make it withstand .50 BMG.

@@PolynesianSaus Oh, man think the energy dump alone would kill you. 7.62x39mm has about 1500 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle, while 12.7x99 has over 12,000. The ESAPI that were issued is pretty good. Remember, we also have to wear side plates. I think a set of mediums is around 20 pounds. If I can stop 3-4 rounds of 7.62x54r AP, I consider myself lucky. Our plates are good for protecting the body from IEDs, artillery fragmentation, and grenades, too. These things have saved a lot of lives the last 20 years.

@@theimmortal4718 I think if you could spread it out evenly over a large surface area of the energy dump would not kill you. remember there is no more force going down the barrel then is going backwards in recoil. The kick of a 50 cal bolt action even without a muzzle brake won't kill someone therefore the same energy in the projectile spread out over a comparable mass and surface area or a lighter mass and larger surface area ought to be survivable. so I think the real question is actually whether anybody would be willing to wear and carry a plate that could do that.

Diamondback DBX

@@BuffRANGEdiamondback dbx or cmmg 5.7? Which platform would you say performs better?

@@christiandunbar532 CMMG Mk57. DBX mag well relies on ProMag mags and they aren’t reliable.

@@BuffRANGE the 40 rounders are hard to find, I was more asking about the dissent line for cmmg vs diamond back that take the same mags… they’re both micro ar fn 57 pistol comparable mag accepting but mag withholding which is superior pcc haven’t seen a direct comparison on KZfaq and you’re a man of fine detail.

I think I would rather have a DB7 but I wouldn't complain about either.

@@GunFunZS wouldn't be here if I didn't have a weird thing for 5.7 😆 ! Honestly it's another step in what's probably the niche for the round in civilian world- something better than 22mag in compact super light guns, use the weight advantage over 5.56 and 9 and trajectory advantage over 9. Really surprised someone doesn't build a cricket sized bolt gun for it.

@@jamesbridges7750 well and when you think about it who is the market for that cricket size bolt gun? How many of them would rather have 223? How many of them would rather have it in say something like 17hmr? both of those are things that exist because I think it's what people want.

I like the five seven for what it can do that other things can't do.it's lightweight and you can stack a whole lot of them in a pistol grip. It has centerfire reliability. It has at least the perceived potential to be AP ish in a pistol... once you put it in the gun bigger than a pistol It is comparatively way less special. If the gun isn't lightweight the fact that the ammo is is a plus but it's not as big of a plus. it's always been strange to me though that people act like 5'7 is ridiculously expensive but almost every time I've ever seen it for sale it's been basically the same money as plinker 45 ACP and less than 38 special.

@@GunFunZS center-fire and performance from short barrels the key point for a bolt gun. Agree with you , without full auto zero sense in a 7lb rifle sized gun. If someone manages a 3lb 8" bolt gun the size of the cricket action similar in build to the Fix but slimmed down even more... Who wouldn't rather carry that backpacking? Than a 20" 5lb 17hmr with less performance? The CMMG guns were a first step , if these diamondbacks pan out they will be another- get away from the awkward p90 mags , more conventional layout.. I had high hopes Keltec would make a CMR ( if you lucked out and found one that ran), nope they went full mandalorian. lol

I would disagree with it not being impressive in a handgun. I have some 5.7x28 loads that top 400 ft/lbs out of a handgun. Having the capacity, low recoil, nasty wounding characteristics, & light weight without having to sacrifice energy? I consider that pretty impressive.

@@pewpew9193 I have seen anything from a handgun that would make it seem any better than current combat rounds. However, with the increased velocity from these smg barrels, it doesn't look to bad.

@@theimmortal4718 iiia capability is far better. That’s the main benefit

@@theimmortal4718 Have you seen Buffman's video on Vanguard Black Fang Dragon? Nasty tumbling hitting bare gel or going through 3a before the gel. Like I said before, just the lightweight alone is an advantage over any other combat round. Most 5.7x28 ammo is loaded well below what it is capable of, so what you see out of the longer barrels is probably pretty close to what you can actually get out of an FN or Ruger.

@@andreahighsides7756 In certain rounds. Others, not do much. As with an gun, it's ammo dependent. True. It does penetrate soft armor better than most conventional handgun rounds. With the increased velocity I imagine it would be even better. Colt had the 5.56x30mm round for an experimental cartridge years ago. It shot a 55 grain bullet at 2600 fps from a 10.5" barrel and had a low muzzle signature. I'd be really interested to see a round like that.

That’s not how they work.

Need a lot of bullet construction too.

Working on getting more of it. It's not easy :(

@@BuffRANGE Cant imagine it is! Whether it's time or money I can tell you invest a lot for your videos. In depth analysis and tear downs is what sets you apart from other channels. Thank you for the content!

Nahh that’s completely false and I’ve proven that extensively here on my channel

This thing needs .30 caliber tungsten rounds or steel core rounds traveling in excess of about 3000 fps to make it through. It's tough, but there are certainly tougher armor out there. :D

Correct. SS190 would likely fair better because after the ceramic is toast the backer would have problems with the steel tip.

Because I can’t please everyone ? Someone complained when I used .33mm. Sorry.

@@BuffRANGE An American, I guess? Typical. The whole planet uses ISU, the whole planet... but the US. Why being so damn stubborn? As said, your industry and science uses it, so why not you? "Because someone complained"? Not a great excuse really. I feel as if this most unsciency imperialistic usage is more kind of a discrimination to the rest of the planet?

@@Xogroroth666 originally when I started this I figured 100% of my audience would be US based since most of my demos involve US armor. I now add the metric thickness measurement. I had someone complain when I did because I added the decimal point measurement. So I can’t please everyone, hence the apology.

What an officer may or may not be wearing is a pretty large variable for a criminals/ bad guy to try to contend with, never mind the fact that they would probably start shooting extremities. Most officers who are not SWAT are wearing soft armor as primary wear, and soft is easily defeated by rifle rounds. On the flip side, what if you're buying armor for an agency or yourself, and you don't quite trust the sales pitch a company gave you and you want verifiable third party results.

The citizens should be equally armed as the standing army, aka the police. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, cops are not some knighted higher level of citizen than their neighbors who aren't policy enforcers of the state, it's just a job.