Can A GROUP C Car Beat A HYPERCAR? | Le Mans Without Chicanes

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962 vs 963 without chicanes!
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@THEWINDTUNNEL 26 күн бұрын

Group C or Hypercar? Which era do you prefer?

@FormulaAnything 26 күн бұрын

Hypercar overall

@zakialaboni3538 26 күн бұрын

Hypercar

@tijmendr9006 26 күн бұрын

Group c all day, i like hypercar because of how competitivw it is but those 700-900 hp monsters going 380+ kmh on the mulsanne staright and the sound was just amazing

@Train_Nerd 26 күн бұрын

Hypercars. A new great era.

@io4k967 26 күн бұрын

Group C.

@tugradd8961 26 күн бұрын

Now add chicanes 💀

@RoasterOven 26 күн бұрын

the 963 would still win....

@turboDream228 26 күн бұрын

963 would win even earlier

@tugradd8961 25 күн бұрын

@@RoasterOven yes i mean the gap would be huge, thats the point

@habibputra_dany_bendy 25 күн бұрын

Else crash 💀

@RiCOx444 25 күн бұрын

there’s already a video with the sauber mercedes vs Lmp1

@stevenboo3053 25 күн бұрын

Even if it lost the race, this video shows that grandpa still got it! 💪

@The.Drunk-Koala 22 күн бұрын

Grandpa always speaks fine words.

@epicmotorsport856 26 күн бұрын

Nice switchback by the 963 at the end. The hybrid power and a shorter gearing helped a lot too.

@UberBug1 26 күн бұрын

The 962 coming to Mulsanne straight "Lemme show him with what am made of"

@Jesko. 26 күн бұрын

Then throughout the Porsche curves the 963 dominates

@aqiimkhairin101 25 күн бұрын

And then 963 goes "you're not Porsche enough if you can't beat me at Porsche curves"

@Inazuma68 25 күн бұрын

Group C were real monsters. Sauber C9 was over 400 km/h on Mulsanne straight

@zoobi27 20 күн бұрын

Nope, they never got over 380 ish kph (240 mph) eventhough MAYBE in ideal conditions it could go faster. Also it was the C11, not the C9. And also they did not put turbo pressure too high coz it would damage the engine beyond qualifications. Finally if you think group C were monsters (and yes they were) they were kind of docile. True monsters were CanAm prototypes or end Group C GTP / IMSA cars. The only prototype that truly went over 400 kmh on Mulsanne straight was the WM P88. Guess what happened to the car ? Failed and gave up after a few laps

@dodenmanniskan8846 13 күн бұрын

It was a WM Peugeot that went to 407 km/h on Mulsanne in fact. They did for the sake of doing it.

@masterkamen371 Күн бұрын

@@dodenmanniskan8846 they didn't even finish the race, they broke down a few hours in because the cooling was crap. It was literally just a showoff

@dodenmanniskan8846 Күн бұрын

@@masterkamen371 exactly. They were all about to do it, a showoff and voila.

@AloneRacecar 25 күн бұрын

It’s always awesome to see how a blast from the past race car can taken on its modern counterpart! 👍 Nice video.

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

Thanks man!

@Starfire_Storm 25 күн бұрын

Fun fact: The Porsche 962 never even got close to the 3:01 in Le Mans, even at a time when there weren't any chicanes in the Mulsanne Straight or even the Dunlop Chicane. It only ever got to the 3:15's. For comparison, the 963's time with the chicanes was in the 3:24 range.

@THEWINDTUNNEL 22 күн бұрын

Yeah I got the lap times horribly wrong, don't know what I did. Sorry!

@FranciscoRamirezAraya 19 күн бұрын

@@THEWINDTUNNEL probably modern tyres

@MrKanooe 19 күн бұрын

@@FranciscoRamirezAraya Most likely, yeah

@rouge4736 26 күн бұрын

THAT 962 IS BEAUTIFUL

@nino3639 25 күн бұрын

The 963 even beautiful

@michaelgriffiths7937 23 күн бұрын

I think it’s impossible for any top class Le Mans car to not be beautiful

@michaelgriffiths7937 23 күн бұрын

Yes even the GTR LM Nismo

@potatopizzacar3318 21 күн бұрын

@@michaelgriffiths7937yes even the american caddy on le mans

@machinemessiah12 25 күн бұрын

This was more exciting than the current F1 season so far.

@mionellessi3086 25 күн бұрын

name 3 things that arent

@machinemessiah12 25 күн бұрын

@@mionellessi3086 good point

@Inazuma68 25 күн бұрын

When you watched F1 in the 80s and 90s like me, than you are not interested anymore in that kindergarden….

@recarsion 25 күн бұрын

The real WEC is too, 6 Hours of Imola 2 weeks ago was great

@horsecrazyviking7121 24 күн бұрын

@@mionellessi3086 watching water boil, ice melt, and the temperature changing on a thermometer.

@toro4271 26 күн бұрын

Idea Porsche Endurance evolution race 917, 917k 917lh 917/30, 936, 956, 962, 962 LH, 911 GT1, WSC 95, RS Spyder, 919 2015, 2016, 2017, Hybrid Evo, 963

@starmaster488lol9 25 күн бұрын

wasnt there a Group C car after the 962?

@toro4271 25 күн бұрын

@@starmaster488lol9 yeah I think so 956 or something Didn't out it down since I don't know if that's the right model

@starmaster488lol9 25 күн бұрын

@@toro4271 yep, thats the one, 956 caused the 962 to bee made.

@DrMabors 24 күн бұрын

936 was between 917 and 956. There is even a full onboard lap from 1977 on YT :)

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

Doing it if Porsche wins Le Mans next month. That or a pole

@carmonajr18 25 күн бұрын

The 962’s got crazy speed, but the 963’s got way more downforce. Which is why it’s able to turn in the corners way faster than its older counterpart. Great race, nevertheless.

@iceblade019 25 күн бұрын

And more importantly miles better tyres and suspension

@keisuketakahasi4584 24 күн бұрын

no shit sherlock

@Kierenstanden-qz7eu 22 күн бұрын

Low drag

@Kierenstanden-qz7eu 22 күн бұрын

What about if it was the 962 C with its bigger spoiler wouldn’t it loose its straight line speed ?

@isaireyes5129 26 күн бұрын

Now, let them race for 24 hours 💀

@pederfallbom 25 күн бұрын

1980:s car VS modern!? No big surprise the 963 would win but makes the 962 even more impressive 🥳💪

@user-gl7te7jm1q 24 күн бұрын

The 962's high straight line speed takes back almost all of the margin gained by the 963's strong downforce effect in the corner sections and the motor assist that works from low speeds.

@kitoshou1141 25 күн бұрын

"you can only defeat a Porsche with a Porsche"

@mikelin7 24 күн бұрын

Or Mazda 787B 😂😂

@mikelin7 24 күн бұрын

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@Kierenstanden-qz7eu 22 күн бұрын

Or a jag or a sauber

@sashingopaul3111 19 күн бұрын

@@mikelin7that implies everybody else has 200kg of extra ballast.

@trance9158 15 күн бұрын

When Mazda Jaguar or sauber catch up with race wins over Porsche come back ... Smh

@TheBigDawgSL 23 күн бұрын

The 962 was lethal down the straight but it was a lumbering brute in the corners. The 963 is more refined. That's why it wasnt sweating because the technical part of the track was where it made the gap up

@Extra-sw7je 26 күн бұрын

Love this comparisons of cornering vs power

@nextgengaming7803 23 күн бұрын

That 962 on Gt7 is absolutely lethal in vr. Love it

@THEWINDTUNNEL 22 күн бұрын

That has to be one of the most visceral experiences in simracing!

@VkmSpouge 19 күн бұрын

Fantastic demonstration of the attributes of the two cars. The 962 is an absolute monster down the Mulsanne. The 963's superior aerodynamics and downforce meant it was glorious through the Porsche Curves.

@06dpa 23 күн бұрын

Looking at the fact that the 962 has a way better power to weight ratio, the main differences come down to aerodynamic efficiency (downforce/drag), tyres (I'd like to believe they are period correct), torque curve and the gearbox.

@THEWINDTUNNEL 22 күн бұрын

Right on!

@FirebonE_88 21 күн бұрын

The 962 on the Mulsanne straight: ”I'ma get you. Oh, I'ma get you!" (In Roman Pierce's voice)

@andrewcarter9649 22 күн бұрын

Would be interesting to see if the 963 had the proper gearing for the full Mulsane.

@ColinKasper55 25 күн бұрын

I find it ironic that they have an ALMOST similar name, just that the number is different.

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

It makes a lot of sense. Both are Porsche's weapons for a golden era of endurance racing

@starmaster488lol9 25 күн бұрын

trackday race? P1 GTR Zonda R Revolucion Ferrari 599XX Evoluzione etc. also you should do Can-Am cars around chicaneless sarthe, would be exciting to see cars like the 2J and Toyota 7 actually do a race.

@TastierBackInThe80s 22 күн бұрын

Even if the 962 loses, it still wins.

@Vellano43 25 күн бұрын

Great video...I didn't think it would be that close

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@sheldoncooper8199 21 күн бұрын

The Nissan R92 CP would ve been even more impressive i bet.

@carlosmagnus717 17 күн бұрын

Porsche 962's in their last participations in Le Mans reached 370 km/h (1988), always with the "long tail" version, like this one in the video, but with the advertising of "Shell", the contract with "Rothmans" had ended.

@pigeonpoo1823 24 күн бұрын

Look how small and cute the 962 is. Similar as to when you compared old snd new F1 cars. Thanks bud.

@sbeve7445 24 күн бұрын

This also shows that power to weight is far from everything

@TheodoreWatkinsBasketball 25 күн бұрын

Wow, that was something.

@vfifty9182 2 сағат бұрын

The 963 Gearbox is for the short straight.

@KingRobbo045 10 күн бұрын

try with Sauber C9 , thing is a ROCKET

@DJDouglasWarden 22 күн бұрын

Pretty cool

@horsecrazyviking7121 24 күн бұрын

Downforce vs. Drag.

@planetfun85 22 күн бұрын

How did you manage to reach 390kph in the 962 on Assetto Corsa? Normally, it tops out at 360 on straight line.

@Madibooox 13 күн бұрын

To be fair, in a time attack without slipstream the 963 would have destroyed the 962. A good race and an interesting comparison either way!

@guilherme2107 26 күн бұрын

Hypercar sim gostei do vídeo

@AstrodinoJohn 19 күн бұрын

What if we change the 963 gear ratio to make it faster in the straights?

@sirafoxtron1701 25 күн бұрын

That's a close one!

@viewedguide6706 26 күн бұрын

Bugatti bolide vs different categories please

@musicstewart9744 24 күн бұрын

Now you have me wondering if you have ever put cars with this sort of power on Monza with the banking included. I’ll go look in a few.

@ADMaw11 17 күн бұрын

To think there's roughly 40 years between those two cars!

@BRMCaptChaos 11 күн бұрын

962 slowed down by the mass of the balls of the driver.

@TheThink5op 19 күн бұрын

Nice. Now what about fuel consumption and tyre wear over 24h ?

@THEWINDTUNNEL 17 күн бұрын

The 962 would have no chance. It needs to pit way before even with that massive fuel tank

@potatopizzacar3318 21 күн бұрын

"Can a GROUP C Car Beat a Hypercar?"❌️ "Can a GROUP C Car Fly Higher than Hypercar?"✅️

@Kneedragon1962 23 күн бұрын

On the track from '85, without chicanes, I think the 962 could lap a second or 2 faster. That's on an empty track, in ideal dry conditions. Now add 30 ~ 50 other cars, of various classes. Add fog and intermittent rain at 2am. Add safety cars and pit-stops and mismanaged strategies. Throw some real world random 'noise' into the equation, and I think the modern car still has a pretty large advantage. Put the chicanes back, and it's game over. No contest ~ not even close. "Which one is the more beautiful car" is an entirely different question ~

@Starfire_Storm 23 күн бұрын

Given the 962 in 1985 actually lapped in the 3:15's in qualifying and nowhere near close the 3:01 the video suggests, the 963 would still win, given it lapped Le Mans in 2023 in the 3:24's. I think 9 seconds is more than easy to erase without the chicanes on the Mulsanne or the Dunlop chicane.

@rookie_at_all_things 15 күн бұрын

Let them race for 24 hours, add F1 and LMP1 and the other Group Cs and you got the best race on earth

@simon704 4 күн бұрын

Only because the rules limit the HP on the LM Hypers

@TheVaultIsMine 26 күн бұрын

Possibly the closest finish on the channel!

@UberBug1 26 күн бұрын

There was closer ==)

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

What if I tell you it's not even in the top 10... 🙃

@lucahitman 21 күн бұрын

in all these channels, you can also race a fiat panda against a bugatti veyron, but inevitably, you do not know how, the victory will be always decided at the photo finish 😁

@caseinnitratjr6861 23 күн бұрын

You could have taken a faster group c car. Ok but it is a Great Porsche Evolution comparison

@THEWINDTUNNEL 22 күн бұрын

Yeah, I wnated a 962 vs 963 fight!

@15DEAN1995 23 күн бұрын

I hated the 963 when I first saw it but it's really grown on me the more I've seen it. Caddy's still best sound and the Peugeot 9x8 best looking but the Porsche is great middle ground.

@andrepitanga9352 23 күн бұрын

Os carros atuais só são rápidos de curva

@leemoldon 20 күн бұрын

If you went back in time i wonder what the best technology you could take back in time and add to an old lemans or F1 car to make the biggest difference.....brakes, tyres, aero.......makes you wonder....well it does me anyway 😅

@jean-claudedevoudelle9154 16 күн бұрын

Les 407 kilomètres heures de la Peugeot des 24 h du mans des annes 1990 restes imbattable pour encore longtemps

@user-pv7ir7qg4f 25 күн бұрын

962/956:Doh!

@Dmooreslotreviews 25 күн бұрын

And people say LMH/LMDh aren't fast.

@giovannibalsamo6178 24 күн бұрын

lmh/lmdh are fast, they're just dramatically slower compared to lmp1-h

@fayyadguissida 21 күн бұрын

BoP effect .@@giovannibalsamo6178

@HepauDK 21 күн бұрын

The 963 would have won with a bigger margin, hadn't it been sandbagged at the end.

@ingocernohorsky 24 күн бұрын

How about efficeny? Who can drive longer stints?

@THEWINDTUNNEL 22 күн бұрын

The 963 even with over half the fuel tank!

@mingfdez.4536 21 күн бұрын

Paso por curva y tracción a la salida contra velocidad punta, ...

@THEWINDTUNNEL 20 күн бұрын

Exacto!

@nidhishg1622 25 күн бұрын

Bro make , lmh with no hybrid speed restriction vs lmp1 . Comparison

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

The LMP1s are a lot faster, imagine if I restrict the Hypercar...

@knuffel3225 20 күн бұрын

that group c car was build for one thing /....... SPEEEEEEEEEED

@Flasherok 26 күн бұрын

We need that hypercar which can reach 390 kmh

@souja2fort 20 күн бұрын

Game name?

@THEWINDTUNNEL 20 күн бұрын

Assetto Corsa

@simeonlinke3437 10 күн бұрын

I would like to see this happen with both cars taking the racing line.

@THEWINDTUNNEL 10 күн бұрын

The theoretical qualy times are just that ;)

@ruialmeida5217 20 күн бұрын

i doubt the results... now put the STIG on the 962

@zeusminoan 20 күн бұрын

It was obvious a drivers mistake at last corner lost the momentum or else this was an easy win.

@darkmagicians62 25 күн бұрын

3:28 Hoje não! Hoje não... Hoje sim... Hoje sim??

@luisdavivirgino2996 25 күн бұрын

Aí não cara.

@rooramblingon895 18 күн бұрын

Now do it again at Spa or Monaco or Red Bull Ring....😐

@fqeagles21 25 күн бұрын

Sarà andata via la maggior parte dello staff

@Slu54 22 күн бұрын

Put the 919 in there too.

@THEWINDTUNNEL 22 күн бұрын

It would smash these 2

@CivettaScintillaEnjoyer 25 күн бұрын

Porsche 917/30 Turbopanzer (Qualifying Trim) VS Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo At le mans with no chicane?

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

The 919 is too fast on the corners. It would be 10 seconds ahead by the time they get to the straight. The 917 has no chance

@CivettaScintillaEnjoyer 24 күн бұрын

While this comparison, the 962 is 19 mph faster than 963 In that one, the 917/30 is 27 mph faster than 919 hybrid evo and has way faster acceleration than 919 evo since it has 1500 hp in like 600-800 kg The 919 evo has slightly better handling than 963, a comparison could be very interesting And also 962 vs 963 has very close gap so the gap on this shouldnt be very far

@JRacer85 25 күн бұрын

Group C.

@lancemurdoc6744 23 күн бұрын

Only in your dreams, the 956 is 200 kg lighter than the 499P and only 30kW weaker than the 499P with full electrical power, but the car use a hybrid system with KERS...There is a lack of aerodynamic and electronics, but the Porsche can break a lot later...there is no way for the 499P to "out-break" the 956 on dry tarmac.

@andrewcarter9649 22 күн бұрын

Where did you get this nonsense from, with the huge amounts of aero modern cars have they can brake far later than any pre-3.5 liter era Group C car can, and I'm willing to bet later than a 905B or TS010 as well.

@lancemurdoc6744 22 күн бұрын

@@andrewcarter9649The aerodynamic may help the 499 in fast corners like the Porsche curves. But the 499 got a weight handicap of 20%. Aerodynamic cannot break the law of physics. Especially on a stop and go track like Le Mans. Your claim would be right if the weight handicap would be lower...By the way the 956 reached 400. They killed the group C cause they wanted to protect the F1 as the crown of motorsport.

@andrewcarter9649 22 күн бұрын

@@lancemurdoc6744 No, braking capability is directly related to downforce and the cars ability to directly translate it to the road. Yes, weight is going to be a factor but 40 years of aero, tyre and suspension development combined with carbon brakes over the old steel brakes means the modern LMH/Dh cars will vastly outperform the old Group C cars in performance just about everywhere (top speed comparison is largely irrelevant, no track in the WEC or IMSA has a 3.5 mile straight that you need really long gearing for). Also no, the 956/962 did not reach 400kph, the speed record at Le Mans is 405kph set by a WR Peugeot in 1988 with the boost turned right up and the cooling ducts blocked off (the engine blew at Indianapolis on the same lap but it was already on it's way out so the team thought sod it, lets go for it). Fastest speed achieved I've seen listed for a 962 is 375, which is still really fast.

@lamarquemartinezoliveira3 13 күн бұрын

Group C...

@bollox-fk8re 21 күн бұрын

962 all the way

@turboDream228 26 күн бұрын

A HYPERCAR*

@Kalgani 25 күн бұрын

The 962 is 90-95kg too heavy...

@atomgaming7170 20 күн бұрын

YEEEEES! THE PORSCHE WON!!!

@rickjohnson2859 25 күн бұрын

The fastest the Porsche 962 did in Le Mans without the Chicane was 3:15 in 1988, you're off by 14 seconds.

@wololo10 12 күн бұрын

963 doesnt do 355kmh lool

@nsx_montana 25 күн бұрын

Please change the accent of that AI Voice😭

@brandontan2335 25 күн бұрын

Or just not use the ai voice at all it sounds dead and awful

@aceofaces1506 26 күн бұрын

Since when can hypercars do 220 at Le Mans?

@K3b1bisLtu 26 күн бұрын

Since he removed the chicanes

@aceofaces1506 25 күн бұрын

@@K3b1bisLtu good point, just didnt expect them to reach to 220 tbh

@THEWINDTUNNEL 24 күн бұрын

Yeah they reach 210 with the chicanes nowadays

@SuperMonodrone 25 күн бұрын

@hermann5880 22 күн бұрын

Die Elektrokarren können noch so schnell und effektiv sein, aber an echte Rennwagen mit dem dazu gehörigen Sound kommen sie nicht heran.....

@fayyadguissida 21 күн бұрын

Electric carts ???

@matyaskalab3176 21 күн бұрын

40 years of technology to gain 0.1 seconds, nice job, FIA

@THEWINDTUNNEL 20 күн бұрын

But now they look and sound more different than ever, there's hybrid cars and ICE cars, RWD or 4WD and the gap between 1st and 10th is smaller than the gap between 1st and 2nd back then. I think it's a fantastic compromise right now. That's why sportscar racing is gonna be more popular than it ever was

@hertzwave8001 19 күн бұрын

lol no

@kylegroulx3073 21 күн бұрын

Made up almost 7.5 seconds on the straight ......if you know anything about racing that's huge

@lightningcount123 24 күн бұрын

Group C. Hypercar is overhyped. Balance of Performance takes away meritocracy that should be top-tier racing

@giovannibalsamo6178 23 күн бұрын

you know that bop was existing even during groupC? It simply was named in a different way... mazda 787B got a 150kg weight break the year it won LM

@THEWINDTUNNEL 22 күн бұрын

Exactly, BoP has been there for decades. They've penalised or changed the rules every time there's been a dominant car. That's BoP.

@giovannibalsamo6178 22 күн бұрын

@@THEWINDTUNNEL a min weight range has always existed at LM, the same about power output according to different factors (during late 90's GT1 years, NA engines had more power than turbo cars). Group C didn't strictly need of power restriction because cars were limited by a fixed amount of gasoline refuelable during the race... it was up to each team decide when to push and when go slower to stay into the consumes range

@giovannibalsamo6178 24 күн бұрын

650hp was the power of 3.5L group C, mid-late 80's group C cars like 962 were in the range of 800hp in race time and about 1000hp in qualifying trim. It's physically impossible that a 650hp car could hit about 390km/h... not to mention that "your" 962 has unrealistic way higher cornering speed... no group C cars has ever clocked 3:01... and back to those year la sarthe track was even faster than now since, lack of the chicanes aside, between dunlop bridge and tetre rouge there was a long straight instead of mid-fast speed corners like today