Can a NEW Player learn an OLD Fighting Game? (Guilty Gear XXAC+R)

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SeffLikeJeff

SeffLikeJeff

Жыл бұрын

PLAY PLUS R TODAY:
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SONGS USED:
Korn - Blind
GGXX Korean OST - Character Select, Writhe in Pain, The Great Empress
Floral - Climbing a Wall
Sisters of Mercy - This Corrosion
Nintendo 3DS - Internet Settings
KADE - ICE/WATER WORLD
Clown Core - Infinite Realm of Incomprehensible Suffering

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@noah__jd4883
@noah__jd4883 Жыл бұрын
11 is next
@noah__jd4883
@noah__jd4883 Жыл бұрын
besides just being cool, the +R discord also runs beginner tourneys all the time
@alexmineru
@alexmineru 11 ай бұрын
I need to see it
@wr41thx29
@wr41thx29 2 ай бұрын
Sup Noah! :D
@noah__jd4883
@noah__jd4883 2 ай бұрын
@@wr41thx29 the ceiling
@wr41thx29
@wr41thx29 2 ай бұрын
@noah__jd4883 i would have said bouffa
@taintedmilkers
@taintedmilkers Жыл бұрын
Possibly the best intro I’ve ever seen tbh
@cannonfodder4000
@cannonfodder4000 9 ай бұрын
the burp fucking killed me
@metalgearskeletor
@metalgearskeletor Жыл бұрын
Starting off a Accent Core Video with a blind by Korn gmv is the most late 2000’s thing I’ve ever seen lmao
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
That was the goal :) I thought about only doing period-accurate music for the whole video but I got bored of that gimmick pretty quick lol
@karinja3172
@karinja3172 11 ай бұрын
Ayy that's me in your first match! I actually got into this game with another friend of mine as well at least in vanilla Accent Core in Fightcade before we bought +R. Also that section where you played matches with your friend kinda reminded us of those times haha. He's also the one who saw I was in this video too lol. Glad you've been enjoying the game man!
@xliMaGiclx
@xliMaGiclx 11 ай бұрын
I love the timeless pixel sprites of older games. They can never go out of style ( At least for me ) Plus R is one my favorites along with kof xiii, the sprites in these games is just phenomenal. Great video BTW.
@alx0tl
@alx0tl 5 ай бұрын
Not my favorite kof art, but like, i don't mean that in a bad way, just, wow is snk amazing at pixel art, since forever There really isn't much to that level Gg and blazblue are up there too
@ArbitraryOutcome
@ArbitraryOutcome 4 ай бұрын
Accent Core Plus R 🤝Third Strike
@ArbitraryOutcome
@ArbitraryOutcome 4 ай бұрын
@@alx0tl Yeah, there's something about Neogeo pixel art (and all its styles) all around that just looks snazzy to me.
@will__mem9rno
@will__mem9rno 2 ай бұрын
@@ArbitraryOutcome love snk's neo geo fighters art so much especially the way they did zoom out like in the SamSho games
@Aath-ju2wn
@Aath-ju2wn Жыл бұрын
Man the dustloop is one of sol’s hardest combos, combo difficulties are a bit of a weak point on the wiki lol. Impressive that you started getting it so quickly however
@p99chan99
@p99chan99 9 ай бұрын
Is it? I'm not a Sol main in +R but I got the timing for the Dustloop down I think? (corner) cl.5S > 6P > dl.5H > j.9DD > land > j.9D > dj.9D > volcanic viper At least that's a basic combo I remember from before, the key thing is doing Dust *immediately* after 5H, after that you're gucci.
@p99chan99
@p99chan99 9 ай бұрын
Correction, you can do a 2nd rep in this combo: (corner) cl.5S > 6P > dl.5H > j.9DD > land 66 > j.9DD > land > j.9D > dj.9D > volcanic viper~followup (S)
@Aath-ju2wn
@Aath-ju2wn 9 ай бұрын
@@p99chan99 Oh yeah you're right, definitely way easier than I remember it being. I still wouldn't start with it though, maybe as a route to get more access to and familiarity with the rest of his combo theory, but not as a beginner.
@bensaathoff1427
@bensaathoff1427 Жыл бұрын
You have a really good learning mindset, something lots of people getting into fighting games should aim for. It's easy to get demotivated at losses, but one perfect line in your video "alright let's go lose" shows that you are okay with your losses so long as you learn from them. This to me is the most important thing when learning fighting games, even if there are struggles with it along the way. Keep it up man, you motivate me to keep trying!
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! I didn't always have a good learning mindset in terms of these games. You can really tell in the strive video especially, I would get frustrated too fast and not learn. These videos kind of document me learning...how to learn fighting games
@Ryan-vw5ul
@Ryan-vw5ul Жыл бұрын
I relate to a lot of what you said at the beginning as someone who's recently gotten into 3rd Strike. People hype that game up like the hardest game ever, but it didn't even take a day for me to beat someone lol.
@Diaz_vlaud
@Diaz_vlaud 9 ай бұрын
Me and a friend played with "steam play together" thing, the arcade mode.... with both of us playing the same character... it was so chaotic. We managed to defeat the final boss after 4 hours of getting bodied it was fun nontheless
@hamandcheese4795
@hamandcheese4795 28 күн бұрын
Yo this video was sick. +r was actually my first fighting game I got actually into around 2021, glad to see how you felt with my personal favorite fighting game.
@hamandcheese4795
@hamandcheese4795 28 күн бұрын
Also to your point about new players getting into it, I introduced about 4 people to anime fighting games through this game and we still consistently play each other to this day. I love this game.
@jooseygoosey
@jooseygoosey Жыл бұрын
Your Only Move is Hustle is indeed an absolute gem
@thatguykekai2601
@thatguykekai2601 10 ай бұрын
I'm glad he commented on goofy Faust I *main* the guy and I didn't even know he was like this in previous games he cemented his place as one of my favorite fictional characters ever
@BluesM18A1
@BluesM18A1 5 күн бұрын
Easily my favorite fighting game, glad to see I'm not the only one psychotic-- uhh I mean *brave* enough to pick up and really learn old fighting games.
@buzzbuzzbeebee
@buzzbuzzbeebee Жыл бұрын
Really fun video I can really sense your enjoyment with the game series !
@Baditow
@Baditow Жыл бұрын
as somebody who picked up hftf for the one time, I heavily relate to this video. the game was extremely difficult especially when compared to more modern traditional fighting games, but learning all the stuff in that environment built me stronger because of the difference in input preciseness when compared to newer games. + the small communities for these games are also SUPER NICE. I recommend.
@melikabreak
@melikabreak Жыл бұрын
I never expected "Climbing a Wall" by Floral to be on this video
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
Such an underrated band
@MeatbagSlayer
@MeatbagSlayer 5 күн бұрын
Fellas, it's 3 bucks till July 11th, 2024. Buy the game, dammit.
@lavie258
@lavie258 Жыл бұрын
i like the way you compare and put similarities between things, makes things easier to understand well at least for me
@wes186
@wes186 6 ай бұрын
I've had this game in my steam library for awhile but never touched it outside of messing around in training mode for a few minutes. This video made me decide to pick it up again and while I still only have about 10 hours and have been getting my ass handed by the guy I play with, I'm absolutely obsessed with it. I gravitated towards A.B.A and she's probably the most fun character I've ever played in a fighting game.
@jonathonlasagna9168
@jonathonlasagna9168 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit they got the guy from the game awards for the intro
@Budzabit
@Budzabit Жыл бұрын
Instant sub after watching this and your 24hr strive video. I could watch your content for hours, keep up the great work!
@Maxler5795
@Maxler5795 6 ай бұрын
"rosters are unbalanced" Partially the reason as to why the game is still alive and well is because the roster is very balanced, and every character is viable.
@nihk5234
@nihk5234 3 ай бұрын
Or because every character is unbalanced and thus every character is viable
@WePsychoz
@WePsychoz Жыл бұрын
I thought this was a video from a big fgc channel due to the quality, it's always small channels that end up being the best
@Nooctae
@Nooctae Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah man. This game is insanely cool. I have my frustrations with it, but I always come back.
@skullkid234
@skullkid234 9 ай бұрын
Dude that intro needs its own video
@ratticalo
@ratticalo 5 ай бұрын
Got into the game myself a few weeks ago, it honestly cant be understated how important it is to have a friend to play this with, been such an experience (especially since the only other traditional fighting games ive played are street fighter 2 and jjba hftf), even when i get strive ill def go back to this game from time to time, daisuke is a wizard
@user-qt1pi5tt7d
@user-qt1pi5tt7d 4 ай бұрын
Legendary editing ❤
@ChefRachman
@ChefRachman 8 ай бұрын
Great video man, loved it
@MZMS1510
@MZMS1510 16 күн бұрын
I started playing this game yesterday because i don't have the PC or money for Strive. But I'm actually loving it, the game is really fun, thank you for the content on it
@sancticial
@sancticial Жыл бұрын
These vids are great, please do more GG content. Easy sub.
@Atrus999
@Atrus999 3 күн бұрын
I've been looking up the best place to start in the Guilty Gear series since I'm new to Guilty Gear, and yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about to when you say people act a certain way when you ask questions about this game. I've been playing fighting games for years but since I haven't played this particular series everyone acts like they're recommending me baby's first fighting game. It's very odd.
@dragonwife5367
@dragonwife5367 11 ай бұрын
i would never have expected to hear floral in a video like this thats amazing
@boneyard444
@boneyard444 Жыл бұрын
the guilty gear to rock/metal enjoyer pipeline is real
@Space_Lion
@Space_Lion 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the refreshingly positive perspectives :) i just picked up the game myself and im loving it. The only fighting games ive put a lot of time into are melee and 3rd strike, these characters really hooked me
@Hopollos
@Hopollos Ай бұрын
A game this good for this cheap should be classified as grand larceny
@LoopZoopler
@LoopZoopler 2 ай бұрын
Sublime intro
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, I don't know if I can ever top it lol
@drink.juice.
@drink.juice. 5 ай бұрын
wow a guilty gear video with floral music and its made by someone i dont know thats pretty epic
@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero
@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero Жыл бұрын
Another GREAT game to get into if you're a fan of the Guilty Gear series is Blazblue Centralfiction. It's actually on sale right now on Steam for just $10. It was made as the replacement for GG during a period of when Arcsystem lost the rights to most of the Guilty Gear characters except Sol and Ky. I'd say it's easier to pick up on than Plus R, give it a shot if you're ever in the mood for a new fighter. I recommend you playing either Ragna or Bullet since they're similar to Sol Badguy and Giovanna. Also that red and white color you use for Sol is actually a Ragna reference
@Matapel0
@Matapel0 8 ай бұрын
It's interesting what you say about similar hobbies, I compare training mode with learning a solo in guitar too. It feels musical!
@kikiash2425
@kikiash2425 Ай бұрын
nice sisters of mercy
@AhmedX8
@AhmedX8 6 ай бұрын
Great video, Seff. +R is super fun at all levels and easy to get into (but hard to master). If you're up for it, let's play a few games.
@crossfold
@crossfold Жыл бұрын
this video put me in a good mood :) that math rock montage was ethereal
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@FikosoEva-lz2kq
@FikosoEva-lz2kq 10 ай бұрын
Now play sol goodguy 💀
@ghosttoast790
@ghosttoast790 Жыл бұрын
Cool.
@user-ik1ju4th2e
@user-ik1ju4th2e 10 ай бұрын
I don't have friends to play fighting games with, but love them nonetheless is just fun disecting stuff piece by piece
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 10 ай бұрын
Bro my friends play overwatch 💀 the initial reason I made this channel was to trick strangers into playing fighting games with me
@crystalizationism
@crystalizationism 9 ай бұрын
As a new player playing for 2 months, yes and i cant do dustloops ;-; In a serious note, it's really fun and a bit rewarding if you learn the game without help, not that i did'nt ask for any hehe Edit: just dont be harsh on urself when learning how to play
@dj_koen1265
@dj_koen1265 5 ай бұрын
Are you in the +r discord? People are usually eager to help Also great place to try to find games although I feel like it’s gotten a little harder as of late for some reason
@peerlessvillain
@peerlessvillain 7 ай бұрын
Yomi hustle !!!! Slapps so hard too
@grooves9291
@grooves9291 Жыл бұрын
23:02 this clip syncs with the music pretty well lmao
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for noticing!!
@astjuly8239
@astjuly8239 10 ай бұрын
Can someone talk about this fvcking badass intro?
@ICanHazWaffles705
@ICanHazWaffles705 Жыл бұрын
Hello fellow math rock enjoyer. Awesome video btw accent core is goated
@zeywop
@zeywop 3 ай бұрын
you using the gunflame feint against a cpu at 8:40 made me spit tea all over my phone. can i have three dollars please
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 3 ай бұрын
I was in his head dude, he wasn't ready for my huge brain mixups
@thegreatdabdos
@thegreatdabdos Жыл бұрын
hey man! great video! heard a song I recognized (Golden by Cory Wong) which wasn't credited.
@thepancakealchemist6949
@thepancakealchemist6949 3 ай бұрын
Watching this after buying on steam for $3
@thatwhiteninja5617
@thatwhiteninja5617 Жыл бұрын
lets gooo
@Phil_597
@Phil_597 8 ай бұрын
Explosions and yoyo swings are loud enough to actually damage your hearing. Just like in real life!
@Sainsburyslocal_gaming
@Sainsburyslocal_gaming Жыл бұрын
watching this while dropping a post work turd 👍 Pink eye is a small price to pay for a seff upload
@Anna-vx2pe
@Anna-vx2pe 5 ай бұрын
As a guilty gear veteran I also just go oh my god this game is so fucking cool the entire time so youre on track
@ryogamestation
@ryogamestation 3 ай бұрын
0:13 Well thats not good lol. I am glad Guilty Gear was a success in the end.
@NocturnalPhoenix397
@NocturnalPhoenix397 Жыл бұрын
That was hot
@lullaboid
@lullaboid 6 ай бұрын
i'm in. if you can do it i can do it lets fucking goooo
@edmundosantos2421
@edmundosantos2421 Ай бұрын
Looks fun, I will try it on my Vita.
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Ай бұрын
That version is pretty funny, I emulated it on my phone one time
@ytm23ak
@ytm23ak Жыл бұрын
Brotha great video but for the sake of viewership I think you should consider sticking with the “How good can I get in 24 hours?” Branding I think it will get more clicks and help you grow.
@saltlord_
@saltlord_ 3 ай бұрын
Got a lot more into fighters since I picked up Strive some months ago and this game looks cool as fuck. I think your video has convinced me to give it a proper shot.
@koiratti
@koiratti Жыл бұрын
i think you haven't mentioned or showed any of.. hm.. what its called.. dust powered specials? which using 25% tension to power up special. dunno if Strive has it i ve only seen those in +R
@hazzydahaka13
@hazzydahaka13 Жыл бұрын
Force Breaks. They're essentially either EX versions of certain specials, or simply BROKEN/really good moves that need a 25 meter cost for how good they are. Currently, these are exclusive to Accent Core and +R, and I personally hope that they make a return in future games.
@DragonflySwamp
@DragonflySwamp Жыл бұрын
4:30 It's always the people who know nothing about a game who will talk the most shit about it. The cure is simply trying new things and having fun, but who has time for that when you can bitch and moan? I think Guilty Gear is a victim of this more than most other games. But anyway, this was a really cool video and I'm happy to see that you managed to get to the meat of why fighting games are actually fun: everything you do is cool and the whole experience looks and sounds awesome. I'm biased, but if you can find Xrd on sale (usually about $15 USD), I highly encourage giving it a shot because it has a ton of depth and fun but without mechanics that demand absurd precision like FRCs and Slashback. I talk about Xrd a fair amount on my channel if you're interested.
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
Xrd video is definitely going to happen sometime this year! (I've definitely seen your character overview videos before lol)
@Randoverse
@Randoverse 15 күн бұрын
Nice clown music. :)
@r1sing766
@r1sing766 Жыл бұрын
learning zato vid PLEASE
@d-phantom6456
@d-phantom6456 Жыл бұрын
You should try out xrd its personally my favourite out the big three guilty gears
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
It's definitely on the list
@kushiro6302
@kushiro6302 6 ай бұрын
I played this on a vita for my first fighting game lmao. It's like extra hard mode
@p99chan99
@p99chan99 9 ай бұрын
It took me a few minutes to nail down the Dustloop combo for sol in +R, I performed it from what I remember and then immediately looked at your video and realised what's wrong, you're delaying the 5H way too much, the timing I figured out myself is after the first wallbounce (after 6P the opponent goes forward hits the wall, and then bounces back), so when you see the opponent bounce back, immediately 5H and then immediately do a j.9D, try not to delay the 2nd j.D too much since j.D already has good recovery, you just need to figure out the timing. As for the 2nd rep, you need a dashing start up to do hit the the dj.D 3rd rep which is: 2nd rep > dash > j.9D > dj.9D > into whatever. (S volcanic viper~follow up gives good oki from what it looks like, H version opponent can air-tech out) I'm also a +R noob who hard mains A.B.A but I hope this helps.
@max-potato-muncher
@max-potato-muncher 14 күн бұрын
19:43 me when funni RNG man:
@Wolvahulk
@Wolvahulk 6 ай бұрын
I played +R after playing Missing Link, both were essentially my first Guilty Gear games. I got Strive pretty much a week ago now for Christmas. I can attest that as a new player +R is pretty tough, I got smashed in Arcade mode every time, eventually settled for picking a difficulty where I feel more comfortable lol. I haven't watched the whole video yet but I do think Strive is way simpler to get into. Still if someone isn't sure about GG overall, just try +R, they're still similar games and very fun regardless. Very cheap right now too (as in price wise ofc lol).
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 6 ай бұрын
Plus R was the first game that forced me to learn how to utilize training mode well I really wasn't winning a lot online until I got a few good BnB's down consistently. Really valuable lessons learned in plus r, I think it made me better at strive somehow as well!
@subb9011
@subb9011 10 ай бұрын
korny intro
@R8Spike
@R8Spike Жыл бұрын
I want this to be my first real fighting game after kyanta and fantisty strike
@2000Doriyas
@2000Doriyas Жыл бұрын
Fantasy Strike is the best version of FGC training wheels and this is like jumping in a custom sports, so much room for pushing it to the limit
@seansagley6103
@seansagley6103 3 ай бұрын
I need to see seff play xrd to complete the trio
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 3 ай бұрын
One day
@justadrian3890
@justadrian3890 Жыл бұрын
YOU LISTEN TO FLORAL???
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
OTHER PEOPLE LISTEN TO FLORAL???
@Marnikoi
@Marnikoi 10 ай бұрын
What about an update on +R? Have you improved?
@drink.juice.
@drink.juice. 5 ай бұрын
i love floral
@ActuallyAmoonguss
@ActuallyAmoonguss 9 ай бұрын
I sent this video to my gf to try and help her understand why I love this game so much. 😂
@juancorona7935
@juancorona7935 4 ай бұрын
This game and street fighter ❤❤❤
@haku_68
@haku_68 3 ай бұрын
Order sol 4 life
@Mediumhatlogan
@Mediumhatlogan 7 ай бұрын
seeing your progression in this game really makes me want to drop strive and main +r... one day....
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 7 ай бұрын
What's holding you back?
@Mediumhatlogan
@Mediumhatlogan 7 ай бұрын
@@sefflikejeff1917 my want to get better at strive
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 5 ай бұрын
One month late, but plenty of pro players are pro in multiple games. I bet you could get better at strive and plus r at the same time
@Mediumhatlogan
@Mediumhatlogan 5 ай бұрын
@@sefflikejeff1917 this is true, I just need to gain the confidence to ask people to play or remind myself to practice somehow, +r is one of the coolest fighting games to me and idk why I haven't just dived in yet
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 5 ай бұрын
@@Mediumhatlogan it's a really cool and tight knit community, you can always find games around your skill level on the Plus R discord
@pur3d3m0n67
@pur3d3m0n67 6 ай бұрын
the only thing i hate about strive is it holds your hands while you play the game, in AC+R there was no hand holding, it was learn a combo or get your ass handed in a blink of an eye while a guy sits there telling you to fight back
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 6 ай бұрын
What specifically about strive is "hand-holding"? If you just mean it's more accessible and that's bad, I think strives 2 million sales might disagree
@tallburrito4657
@tallburrito4657 Жыл бұрын
Coolio
@LucidButtonMasher
@LucidButtonMasher 5 ай бұрын
As an active plus r propagandist, good on ya spreading the good word and keep it up. Don't forget to use replay takeover to practice what you drop!
@dj_koen1265
@dj_koen1265 5 ай бұрын
Eyy its beeg punch man You make great videos
@titmit6940
@titmit6940 8 ай бұрын
To pick up and have fun, this game is easily the easiest one, beacuse of the freedom of the button it let you press and it's fluidity
@chongobongo9382
@chongobongo9382 11 ай бұрын
speaking of single player, did you ever try the survival mode? runs in it take so damn long but the upgrade system makes it sooo much fun
@agameoffools1546
@agameoffools1546 10 ай бұрын
i feel like a lot of people just hear that the game has harder combos and character specific combos and assume a massive increase in difficulty
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 10 ай бұрын
Real. On paper AC+R is way more complex, but not in a bad way. I actually have a way easier time with combos in plus r because of the freedom of the gatling system I think most people just underestimate their own ability to learn things.
@xelic1996
@xelic1996 Жыл бұрын
Honestly give XRD a try I think you'd love it. It's the Melee of Guilty Gear.
@2000Doriyas
@2000Doriyas Жыл бұрын
Why is Plus R not the Melee? I like both but don’t exactly understand what makes either have a higher skill ceiling respectively.
@dj_koen1265
@dj_koen1265 5 ай бұрын
+r is more difficult Xrd is a streamlined and simplified version of +r but in a good way, its not too simple and still has lots of stuff And I highly recommend people try xrd
@yorogo8152
@yorogo8152 10 ай бұрын
I love this game because of one Guy order sol ( ans kliff too)
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Ай бұрын
thats 2 guys
@yorogo8152
@yorogo8152 Ай бұрын
@@sefflikejeff1917 i always forget that kliff IS in the game 😅😅
@killersdave0934
@killersdave0934 Жыл бұрын
17:43 is that from val bro
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 Жыл бұрын
Nice catch!
@e1her753
@e1her753 Жыл бұрын
Sup
@xo2ulips
@xo2ulips 10 ай бұрын
skullgirls next?
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 10 ай бұрын
Maybe someday, once new fighting games stop coming out every other day lol
@DctrBread
@DctrBread 4 ай бұрын
imagine having the iron discipline to try a cool game instead of listening to meme complaints
@sefflikejeff1917
@sefflikejeff1917 4 ай бұрын
Word of mouth goes a long way, if I hear nothing but complaints about a game, I'm less likely to try it. Glad I tried plus r though, really sick game
@DctrBread
@DctrBread 4 ай бұрын
@@sefflikejeff1917hope this video makes the rounds. People usually are worried about testament vortex when they should be more worried about getting counter-hit by potemkin jump-ins
@nadaadeclarification
@nadaadeclarification 6 күн бұрын
They ruined Guilty Gear. Now it looks slow and shitty.
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