late 16th century dukes ordered "up armored" cuirasse for the nobility to combat the uprise in what can only be called "peasant snipers" using early firearms on the backroads to mug nobility. From the examples I have seen, the heat treated, thick steel would easily stop a .45 and even a 9mm. Rifle? No way, but any handgun short of a .44, I'd bet my life on it.

@@Ranstone this is accurate.

That's correct. Armor was often tested against contemporary firearms, especially in Italy, and was sold with a dent in it, called a "proof". The "proof" is a dent where the "bullet" had been stopped. Quality armors could regularly be purchased with a "bullet proof", demonstrating it's effectiveness, and ultimately giving rise to the modern term "bulletproof".

I kinda think this is why the Europeans went into firearms more than any other culture that had them. European armour technology had gotten soo well developed, bladed weapons became increasingly infeasible.

I would argue that they were technically correct in that I doubt there were mail order cosplay armor sets around 400 years ago.

LMAO! My thoughts exactly!!

I remember seeing a video showing how firearms affected the way construction chest armor. They used two layers of metal. But still that was during the black powder era, so it still wouldn't protect you against modern weapons.

@@dishmanw watch Skallagrims guns vs helmets video, some were able to stop up too a .45

And scholagladiatoria too. :)

Lets not forget Tom's Workshop which produced a really good one!

Was looking for this comment. No idea why it has 0 replies considering how real it is

That's true to a point, but the armor was too expensive compared to hiring soldiers and creating guns, even then knight armor fell out of fashion (literally lol) because of the English longbow iirc

@@hotturnips7692 No? the armor fell of of fashion because of guns, You underestimate the protection full plate armor gives.

@@axelaugust5552 *overestimate and yes, it was because of the longbow but only partially, the idea of hiring mercenaries became popular at the end of the middle ages with the end of feudalism too

i mean musket balls could penetrate most armor however there was bulletproof armor later on

*pull a indiana jones and shoot him in the chest and watch him stumble across the street*

Why do I hear boss music ?

Kuze.

*Angry Machicolation noises*

oh good i'm not the only one.

well i mean, what the fuck is that sword supposed to be? It looks like someone put it together with pieces of a broken fence.

I think that next skalagrim stream will be full of references to this. XD

”THAT IS NOT REAL ARMOUR!!!” ”NO SHIELD IS A SHEAT OF METAL!!!”

Yeah, that's where the term "bullet proof" came from

@@LS-sp5hr correct, armourers called the testing process "proofing the armour".

Not Renaissance, just medieval

@@shad0wwarrior475 Not really. The kind of armor that costume hopes to be when it grows up only appears at the very tail end of the medieval period. It really belongs to the renaissance.

@@draugur345 The helm wants to be in the crusades tho

I thought it was Indianium

the armor was meant to stop blunt/bladed weapons, not bullets no way a sword is getting through that lol

@@Terlinilia You'd be surprised at the amount of kinetic energy a sword can carry. And later medieval armors were even bulletproof, fyi. Flintlocks and knights existed at the same time. There even were some German riders that strapped like six pistols to their chests, charged toward the enemy, unloaded all of their guns and then ran away to reload again.

@@krautworks Medieval armor could stop bullets, especially at the time. But I imagine the kinetic energy from the bullet would still do internal damage to the body, like bulletproof vests today. I still find it hard to believe a sword is gonna cut through armor. Especially through slicing.

yea, longbow needs real training especially on upper body strength... while musket only needs aiming and enough strength to handle recoil

Some dude on the internet made an AR lower out of soda cans.

The expert :

LOO

LOL

@@stephanieward9475 did you know you can delete your comments

Hahahahahaha

I guess he choose the right time to upload this while the crusade is on lockdown.

BUTTED MAIL

@@MustardSkaven wonder when the next medieval armor testing video will come out... cause it will.

@@puffo7120 Hope it has proper armor. Won't stop proper rounds but it should have a little more durability for sure.

Ive actually followed both of them for the last year I want a co-lab!

I am the 200th like.

no. it's a cheap cosplay set lol.

Well cheap.

Real armor is very expensive. One set I bought 3 years ago cost 16k, no shit, but it was extremely high quality. 15th century 14 gage tournament armor full set.

@@Frank-il3kt tournament armour is more expensive then regular battle armour. Or at least it was, back in those days.

@@Frank-il3kt If i remember turnament armour was much thicker, I remember reading they intentinally made armour from iron instead of steel so it would bend more and accelerate less so your neck wouldnt be broken be a lance into forehead? It should stop at least 9mil right?

Lol funny thing is I’ve never cleaned my ak in about 12 years and it still operates flawlessly

@Joe Mama I actually just got turned on to some soft body armor that can stop a .30 06 AP round which is awesome being it’s not AR550 plates I was impressed

@Joe Mama my polytech keeps working without cleaning too as long as you don't mind it being heavy, ugly and inaccurate. Oh and the sights are awful. Seriously though, ak's are a good design and they're definitely reliable, i just don't like them. No hate for people that do.

@Joe Mama well to be honest my wife which was my gf at the time 20 years ago and you could buy em brand new bought me a Saiga AK chambered in .223 for $298 brand new in the box and that’s the one I’m referring to......gun has been a beast for all these years and never fails as long as you run good brass which I only run brass or nickel plated in my guns anyway so if you can find a Saiga I’d highly recommend it.Cheapest one I can find nowadays used is around $800

It’s why it took me so long to build AR15s in the many calibers I own of them just because the saiga was so damn reliable and accurate,100 yard shots iron sights can group em within a 3” diameter it’s crazy.

Chaucer is the name and writing is my game

you mean Matt: We have "rEaL aRmOr" Everyone who has a basic understanding in metallurgy or medieval technology: PAIN i see a couple k scrubs out here thinking that shit is real

Blame the guy who sold it.

this is perfects high quality rale armor uor jelaous

@@potatounicorn9480 no I am overzealous!!

Haha, yupp;)))

He would definitely like to have a word with our man here.

Knight Errant joined the chat

Is this worth a convent of the Saints of HEMA?

Even if it were historical medieval armour, it still wound't stop a modern bullet. Maybe a .22 but nothing bigger than that :P

Well hello mister fancy pants

Nice one 🤣👍🏾

Holy music stops

Atleast he said nothing but an flesh wound so I'm glade lol

Should be number 1 in a top 10 video

Underrated comment.

Yes clearly

Defently not live action roleplaying armour. And sooooooooo high quality chainmail. And it it also sooooooo hard to stop a sword too slicing thow a matal breastplade.

Obviously

I came here for the opening skit and this one was 100/10

More or less ya. Issue is, real armor is expensive as fuck and something i would not want to shoot.

Real enough to stop a modern assailant without a gun, not real enough to stop the bullets it should stop.

But Matt would

@@ChrisBryer and Matt is rich as fuck. If anyone can afford to give us a real armor vs modern gun test, he can. He just needs to hook up with metatron or shadiversity or any number of those medieval weapons and armor guys.

@@stingray4540 Metatron is weighing in on the quality, or lack thereof, on the armor.

Nope. Padded armor wasn't worn underneath it. This would mean that the plates need to be bigger which would create more costs and weight. Underneath armor you just wear an arming doublet, a simple linen shirt you could tie the plates on. Same goes for chainmail which sat very tight on your body to reduce weight. If there was padded armor worn with metal armor, it was worn above the metal armor because of said reasons

@@cement_mixer7395 Yes it was. It was common to wear gambeson both over and under plate armor. The gambeson worn underneath would usually be slightly thinner, or would be a different classification of layered garment made in the same process, which can be literally defined as gambeson, but slightly thinner. Examples of this classification include the aketon and the jack. The names for the gambeson fit over chain and plate armor was usually jupon or loudel. The truth is, the further the development of plate, the lower the thickness of the undergarment, which eventually culminated in the arming doublet, which was essentially a shirt. There's not even any evidence of quilting being used in them. In fact, by the time arming doublets were used, it was not uncommon to wear plate armor directly over regular civilian clothes. In conclusion, in the age of plate armor, before the disuse of padding or undergarments, it was common to wear gambeson both over and underneath plate armor.

@@calencrawford2195 Gambeson was mostly used alone or maybe with a mail hauberk, but then usually over it so you don't need a bigger, more heavy mail shirt. Sometimes also in combination with single plate parts like cuirass and/or spaulders. Cement Mixer is right, the combination with plate armor wasn't really that much of a thing, even when people like Shad want it to be. There is a reason why basically every person who actually knows stuff about medieval armor tends to not like him. There was a phase where a lot of reenactors thought it was a thing and they walked around looking like the Michelin Man in their armor. But since then it moved on and it's now not longer considered accurate. And no, not every type of textile armor or even padded textile armor is a gambeson in the strict definition of the word. An aketon is not really a gambeson, even when Wikipedia mentions it as a synonym. Wikipedia is sometimes just wrong.

@@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei That’s rough! You’re right, not every type of cloth armor is a gambeson and people typically didn’t wear mail with plate. Who are knowledgeable content creators medieval enthusiasts do enjoy?

Ive had worse.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! 😁

@Benjamin Belile are you mad,? Your arms off!

Well call it a draw.

Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?

Oh how right you were. Shad already videod xD

None of them seemed to be actually mad at mat. If anything, they were fuming at the existence of the armor.

@@rogerramiussergeialexander5541 yeah. Should have probs said they werent criticising matt. Just the armour. Shad atleast did it in humour and good will.

Bread boys would be proud

Skallagrim shot an helmet

lol, when you can dodge and abuse i-frames, why parry when you can just chip damage and dodge?

Lmao

Hey I think you watch "nano" channel

TIS BUT A SCRATCH

The crusade knows no boundaries

Haha that's why I'm here saw then talking about this video.

“They never tested this because they didn’t have bullets” wrong! They had bullets and guns

LOLOLOLOL

Literally every medieval nerd: uhm... acyuachuakly....

@@skylerkingplays4095 no they didn’t. This was the 17th century. Guns were used during the beginning of the 18th century. Learn history

**senate**

@@xfugitive7442 Did I stutter?

@@EnLaMatrix1 yes,the meme is “the senate will decide your fate”

"Today the gods will decide your fate"

@@xfugitive7442 theres more than one variation of the meme, both are correct.

I hope he doesn’t make it for tier 3 members only like Kendall gray

@@PandaGaming-wx3dl i doubt he will kendall did it bc people will see what all he has and will steal it up there. idk if it’s like that in texas

Same

@@isaac-qb4fm just making sure I mean it’s not a big deal he shows a lot of em on his videos

Lol whatcha doing over here

Cuz it probably was 😂

Stacey Gram yeah lol

It's obviously a set just for decoration, it looks like its sword has the blade on sideways. Real armour would be over twice as thick and more domed outwards on the breastplate, the lack of rivets and thin wire-gauge with that shiny zinc coating on the mail is also a bit of a giveaway.

I was thinking the same thing, this is shit quality armor and shield. I want this test on top quality medieval armor!

Sounds, looks like aluminum. Also, the chain mail was split ring and not riveted. A costly experiment, but I would dearly love to see steel armor, steel riveted ring mail with the padded undergarments.

Even 15th century to...

@@kristofantal8801 even in the 14th century, before they had full plate armour, they had handguns

Those guns don't compare today

That is the reason why soldier stopped using armor all together. And even if gunpower never existed, the crossbow was already straining the use of full plate armor in the 100 years wars. The french was using full plate armor knights for their cavalry charge. Crossbow man were able to aim for the weak spot in their armor and go through chainmail.

@@Bleusilences Crossbows didn't defeat plate armour... This is a irrealistic myth. Crossbows used much earlier than plate armour, so if crossbows were ultimate weapons plate armour was never used commonly... There is a reason, why plate armour used commonly until the mid 17th century... Full plate was used until the 16th century but three-quarter plate used after that by heavy cavalry, such as cuirassiers or demi-lancers...

I was just doing through comments to see is it was bothering anyone else

The sword and armor make me sad. That's some of the worst quality armor you can buy.

I mean the guard isn't the issue. The fact that everything is wallhanger quality is the issue. Plenty of examples of guards being at an angle like so

Lol nerd

@@kaos_v1428 he was planning on shooting it he probably bought the cheapest stuff he could find

Same! *reaches for popcorn*

it's more of a passionate discussion to find the truth, which is why criticism exists. you have low standards for what you consider a civil war.

Civil War ? how dare u, w/o ME ?? SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS 😍🤠🤗

@Fresh Prince of Mars do you have a sense of humor? Cause that was obviously a joke...

@@jacquesmains7453 I know, right! So exiting!

Exactly, and the rings are butted and not riveted. A hammer would open those rings up lol. But they dont know

Hollywood made us all think shields were made from metal too!

A historical 13th century helm like this can stop a .45 easily. I've even seen it stop a 30-30 on the bridge. Skalalgrim did a video on this.

it's prop armor, can't even call it low quality!

Agreed far from a "scientific test", would be interesting using the higher grade stuff they actually used. They did used to actually "bullet proof" those armors.

Right? That maille is complete trash. I wouldn't complain about it just being butted if the weave was better with steel. They look like aluminum

That chain mail didn't look very chain mail'y.

I dont think a walking human trashcan can stop a 9mm Or 45 Acp.

@@EZ4S30NG maybe the shield would

@@KENNYBIGBOWMAN I mean Maybe? It covers like 30% of your body.

@@EZ4S30NG good point

bruh

This is the best comment I've seen in years.

r/usernamechecksout

lmao, well I don't think the armor he had was hardened steel like the chainmail was. Which is why the chainmail was so much better at catching bullets.... That and chainmail was designed to help stop arrows so makes sense same concept or stopping a fast moving penetrating object XD

@@MasterChief2098 It's also just butted ring mail. on the good stuff, each ring is riveted in place and it is much more effective. A solid padded gambeson underneath would help a bunch too, especially if it was made from kevlar :)

Amen!

Yup, debunked. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9ByeZmVnrTPmXU.html

Yesssss!!!!!

@@Boeing_hitsquad Twice. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gK-Jeaabv7GomaM.html

God Save Shadiversity! Huzzah. A youtuber who takes this in context.

the council is displeased

I sense a storm of responses

Would love to see him test cloth armor tbh

So what? It ain't like they're bulletproof. Hehe

Matt owns more guns than the entire population of their respective countries.

Yeah that armor is shit historically trash and doesn't even have a arming dublit or gamberson and the armor is mash of high late and late medieval as well as renaissance and the chain mail wasn't even riveted lmao

@@0lucasblue0 bruh

@@0lucasblue0 You're not wrong. People are a bit butthurt about this thing. But at the same time, I think it's got a lot to do with "Real suit of armour", and the fact that, I'm sure, a lot of folks really wanted to see what kind of guns a properly made late-medieval/early renaissance suit of armour could defeat, and for how long. Also the medieval arms and amours youtube community really likes to correct people. I blame the History Channel for that.

@@qwerfa ya well its there fault for expecting this to be legit and they indeed are a dumbass

@@fritzdaddy-135mmgetstagger4 I completely disagree with you. People who know the channel know that Matt does silly stuff. However, he also does good tests, and, more importantly, people who don't watch the channel see the biggest gun channel on youtube saying they tested guns against a real suit of armor, so they go in expecting exactly that.

Lol

Bread boys is sad

Underrated comment here

Lol or the bread boys

"SON WHO IS THIS MAN"

**bread boys flashbacks intensify**

Modern horse archers

they have come to take the holy land back for the Roman Catholic Church.

See Knightriders by George A. Romero, the zombie guy made a movie about knights on motorcycles and well, see it to believe it. Hail 🦞

That just caracole with extra steps

crap, how many just whacked the armor with a ball peen hammer and called it good? Don't tell me nobody did it. We've dealt with counterfeits since the beginning of trade.

Nice info, thank you.

@@nephicus339 🤧😂

That may be true but I’m pretty sure we call it bullet proof just like we would water proof or bear proof

@@GusTheBussssss All those terms developed over roughly 300+ years, because we had "Bullet Proof". It was the original and where all other similar terms draw from, at least in English.

Go on.

quickly!!! Someone call Shadiversity we need him to find some REAL shit for Matt

@@sonicrose8430 Already done kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gK-Jeaabv7GomaM.html

captain for the seemingly few non-sword-enthusiasts around here: "hema" is an abbreviation for "historical European martial arts" (European because Japanese martial arts differ significantly). It's basically just a fancy term for swordfighting.

High points are perfectly able to penetrating equivalently to more expensive pistols of the same caliber.

@@johnrollex680 Ah, apologies, correct, that armor couldnt be used to bash in other armors without breaking while you could pistolwhip with a hi point to better effect. And stacking hi points is probably better armor than that piece of alu foil.

@@ANDELE3025 given how bulky a high point is I bet a stack would make excellent armor.

Time to upgrade to kevlar and fight degeneracy for the Lord, father!

The power of our Lord will stop the bullets for us

Ayo

Yeet the bread

He did a little bit on his instagram

@@gabehintzsche2064 what did he write? I can't log on to instagram or watch any comments atm.

parry this you fucking casual

this video makes sure that the armor can withstand that circumstance xD

....or a Hakim

Pulls out 50

This is why they lost the crusades

Lamh laidir an Uachtar. You Fitz you. :P

It’s armor, unless you fancy French spelling conventions. Like the so called “English”.

I’d like him to shoot a cross bow at it first. If it stops, it’s real plate armor

@@manofcultura Leftennant :D

@@manofcultura in Canada we have the “U” in armour , flavour , colour , labour and many other useless places .

Shad demo collab when lol

.50 cal vs machicolations 🤣

I would love to see them collab.

All i was thinking the whole video was this is not historically accurate. Its wrong noooooooo

@@coltenlester9426 I agree. Considering that looks like aluminum and not steel or at least no where near the right thickness if it is. The fact it dented when hit with a wall hanger sword proves that.

No sheet metal is stopping a rifle round though. Not those sheet metal safes, truck body panels etc. Also modern steel is much superior to medieval steel.

@@Eric-zs6rd depends on who is making it and where it’s from and also the smith that’s making weapon and armour out of it matters greatly too. Though I do agree with you that the majority of modern steel is better than that of the medieval period it really depends.

@@chrisruzsa2798 What would happen if the steel pieces Kung Fu monks break on their heads are sneakily replaced with modern steel pieces, engineered to feel the same until the strike?

@@uncrunch398 Kung fu monks break cement bricks on their heads but not steel so I am lost in your questioning. Also it may look the same but can’t feel the same. One of the best ways to check quality of steel is to hold it and tap it to glass if it zings for a while it’s great if it doesn’t it’s horrible.

@@Eric-zs6rd Check chinesium. The steel you can cut with bronze age sword.

Well Trimble barreled firearm did and do ... check out a Drilling ... German if I'm not mistaken, and there are others... couple of different chokes on the 2 shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel just because

Check out the duckfoot Its pirate age gun with a stupid amount of barrels

Meathook is in the 3rd barrel silly

i see u are a man of culture as well

Check out the channel Skallagrim, he has done firearms and other weapons tests against authentic medieval, modern, and improvised armor and weapons.

Doing a 2×2 square isn't that expensive. Consult with Skallagrim, Megatron, and Shad for the best options for a good material test. Bonus for useing ballistic jell and bone constrict for a serious test of what happens to the body getting hit behind the armor

He has literally shot a gold bar before... I don't think he really would be worried about a 12k suit of armour. That just mean he can't get another gun that week lol.

Yeah, didn’t you know? They also hid small firearms in the pockets of their denim trousers!

@@TheTanglerrr don’t forget that the king holds a RPG

Halo bang

All the above comments describe my RPG game characters

Medieval crossbows shot bolts, wide and short, that had less range than long bows. The bigger version nailed a rider to his horse or did 2 or more men within a group but were crew served. All were not easily assembled. None had identical parts. Yes, that was before Ford assembly line products.

This comment needs more likes.

*I've had worse*

underrated

"Its just a flesh wound, get back here you panzy!"

"Your arms off!"

Zero penetration, leads me to consider: .729 vs 4 Bore vs Punt Gun vs Bazooka 🤔🤠🤣. which one has the greatest destruction ... emm penetration ? Sorry for my stupid mouth 🤭

Agreed

White wolf wise wolf

I was thinking myself that chainsaw won't even stop a sword stab... needs to be soldered/screwd shut.

I think there is no historical chainmail. It's just called mail.

@@MugRuith haha