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If my dad hadn’t found his way back, I wouldn’t exist. I’m grateful to God that he did.

The way is narrow. Lord, keep us on track.

I turned away from God when I made the mistake of equating human 'representatives of God' with God's character. When I wanted to return, after realising my foolishness, I was told I could not because God would not forgive me. A few people, both church leaders and lay people, said this. It took me a few years, and searching God's Word for myself, to know that God would and did forgive me. Thank you, Dr Heiser, for bringing your straight forward logic to this subject. God's Word truly does give us all the information we need. We just need to read it 🙂

Reading some comments, I too am one who turned from the faith early adulthood due to the way people treated me in church and went off the deepest end I could possibly go. From new age movement and reading satanic bible, hypnosis and trying to astral project. Not to say all the terrible addictions. God saved me at 28. Its been 6 years and the last 4 I probably spent atleast 1 full year total doing cross cultural missionary work. Walking streets of poor countries preaching the gospel and giving out bibles. This isnt to say the devil hasnt fought hard against me and he used many scriptures like this to bring doubts into my mind. But what I know is God did something in me and now He gets all the glory for my life.

Thank you. I needed to hear that. It applies to my own life and my own forgiveness. Praise Jesus Christ 🙏

I was Christian so many years and blindly followed Islam. Few days later after saying my shahada I was having huge attack I can't even explain what that was. I can't even breath but out of fear I was think "Jesus help me what I was done" and then I start feeling better. I ignore it after I feel good, but soon I notice the more I go aganist Christianity, the more I pray like Muslim, the more I read Quran the more attacks I have and only calling Jesus name help me. I was having also dreams that I was not even sure it was dreams. First dream I was seeing huge snake going through some wall and something in the dream telling me this is Israel wall,the snake was going on me and then I hear voice "call Jesus name" I did and the snake disappeared. Second dream I was prayed like Muslims by prostration to God but then I hear voice "stop praying like slave and start praying like my friend" and then In was showed the way how Christians pray.. the third dream I was attacked by bad spirits and calling Allah for help but without results then I hear voice "call Jesus name" I did and the attacks stopped. My fourth dream was that angel explained to me that allah is moon god because all prayers are based on the sun movements and all celebrations like Ramadan are based on moon... Jesus given me signs to coming back from Islam to Christianity and thanks God I did back to Christianity. Now I stay 100%. I don't know what was going wrong with me that I was Muslim

Thank God for Dr. Heiser! I needed to hear this. I can relate to Manasses ' apostasy. I was a pagan, esoteric nazi / ethnosatanist yet God not only accepted but wellcommed me back!

The story of Manasseh is a superb example of God's overwhelming grace and mercy to the most apostate of people. It is those who refuse to turn back to the Cross and choose to live reprobate lives that God can do nothing for, for they rejected that which God did for them.

Very good Dr Heiser! I love when you speak Jesus like this. Love you in Christ

The way I had to look at that scripture in Hebrews is that weather I’m near or far from God He was always still present with me. I have to look at that scripture as saying to me though I’ve fallen I’m not an apostate rather than because I’ve fallen I’m an apostate. I spent a year in prison from 2018 to 2019 and I watched God care for me every step of the way. He has remained faithful to me even though I truly didn’t deserve it. And here I am 3 years sober. Picked up my 3 year chip in today’s meeting even though my sobriety birthday is July 11th.

Breathing a great sigh of relief. 😢✝️👍

I learned something about the almond tree that applies to this teaching. There are two types of almond trees....one with pink flowers and one with white flowers. One is poisonous and the other is not. If you happen to mix a bad nut in with the good nuts....the one bad nut will ruin the whole batch. BUT there is something that can be done to the bad nut....it can be blanched....the poison can be drawn out then it can go be with the other nuts and all is well. We are told to do the same....isolate the nut that comes into the congregation spewing poison and if necessary give them over to satan, or, kick them out. the bad nut CAN be converted ......so can a lost soul. Those almond trees got something to say....they are the first trees to AWAKEN from the winter sleep and cover the tree with white flowers that could easily be mistaken for glory. The first fruit is a delicacy.....when it ripens the skin breaks and looks like an eye opening. Then inside is a hard shell.....kind of like our soul ....it takes the hits and insulates the heart....a pure white stone fruit. I think it is the white stone in Revelation with a name written that only our God knows.

Thank you for this amazing clarification and may the love of GOD be poured out into your heart!

Just like the prodigal son, not worthy by human standards but loved dearly by the father who welcomed him back.

I love all of Dr Heiser's Teaching!

Baltist to Catholic convert here: you are absolutely correct that faith in Jesus Christ, Our Lord, is the ONLY way to Heaven. Amen and amen!

Consistency across the Testaments, Yes and Amen ❤ Thanks, Mike!

Thanks Dr. Heiser. Looking forward to meeting you in Glory one day. Thank you Jesus for the ministry of Dr. Heiser.

I fell from grace trying to be in right standing with God by stopping a sin and He left me when I picked it back up. I feel hopeless and lost as I was walking with Him for 30 years. Please pray that God will grant me repentance as I long to be brought back to Him😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I love this guy. He has a true gift from God filled with wisdom and knowledge and shares it with us all. I wish he were still with us. Him and God were truely buddys.

I fully qualify as a Hebrews 6 apostate. For the past 4 months, I've deliberately, maliciously, arrogantly and so foolishly rejected Christ after full knowledge of the gospel truth and partaking in the Holy Spirit. I even shared my doubts with others, so in that sense, I have also publicly renounced Him and put His name to open shame. While I've always had mood swings and spiritual state swings, often riddled by doubt and disbelief and intrusive thoughts, this time feels different. I have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. 3 days ago, a dear Christian friend called me and discussed Hebrews 6:4-6. I desperately want to repent but like Esau I've sought it with tears but have no hope for redemption. It's my fault and I completely understand if God is cutting me off permanently. I have betrayed Jesus in the worst possible way. I don't know if I truly feel convicted to repent or if it's just shame, like how Judas hung himself. I have tried multiple times to pray for forgiveness but I fear it's too late. I have this pull to just give up but I can't commit suicide, as that would just be taking the highway to the deepest, darkest place in hell imaginable. I'm so lost. I want to truly get right with God and be the faithful servant I should be but I already know I've very likely passed the point of no return. What do I do?

We Serve A Merciful and Forgiving GOD !!! RE-READ 1 JOHN 1:9-2:1 & Quiver in Fear that you REPENT & Seek the LORD's Mercy before the RAPTURE, or your DEATH,(whatever comes 1st). The time between your ignorance & your return to repentance, OH PRODIGAL ONE,..... May the MERCIFUL GOD NOT CLOSE THE DOOR ON YOU,......My Friend.

Agreed. The real issue is not sin or failure in and of itself. The problem is falling into unbelief after having believed, because the heart hardens against God. The writer of Hebrews said, "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" (Heb. 3:12-13). If we turn away from God as described here and in 6:4-6, we clearly fall into a dangerous spiritual state where we can lose the salvation we once possessed through faith. Faith can fail or these and many other exhortations would be superfluous. We should continue to pray for one another that our faith fails not through the hardening that comes from ongoing sin, as Jesus Himself prayed for Peter that his faith would not fail and didn't though Peter failed miserably. Peter too is an example of one who can turn away and be drawn back if faith holds or is restored.

Oh Amen, great teaching❤🙏

The Prodigal Son parable teaches us that we can because our Heavenly Father will forgive us especially in light of the finished work of Christ which is the act that restores us if our motive in seeking restoration is not tainted or disingenuous

Thanks Mike. This is such high quality stuff. Bless you in Glory.

wonderful teaching Dr.Heiser.we love to hear from you

Another excellent message. Thanks Dr., God bless you.

I came out of NewAgeism and back to Jesus when I was 18 back in 2005. The Lord placed a calling on my heart to go into ministry. That lead me to attended BIOLA University in 2011 to study the Word of God. I had a roommate who was a Biblical Studies major. He became a youth pastor, and later moved to Portland. He now believes in a form if Hinduism/New Ageism and has a podcast talking about different Gurus. It is sad to see people you once knew fall away from Jesus who were once strong believers.

So grateful for your work!

I came back. Now, looking back, I see I was given the opportunity to accept the signs and synchronicities almost every 10 years, nearly to the day. In this last case, the 3rd time, it was to the day. August 15.

Very well presented. Thank you. One thing that sometimes causes apostasy is the behavior of pastors, elders, and even the common pew potato sheep. Self-righteousness is a sin worse than drunkenness. When people become so pious from their restraint to sin, it's almost as if their works begin to justify their standing with Christ. Some people are just super strong-willed by nature and the flesh gets confused with the Holy spirit. Sure, they'll never say it, but deep down inside it just seems to be the case with how they treat other people. The collateral damage is far-reaching. Jesus specifically talked about the millstone, and I don't think many believers even stop to think about how they could have tossed millstones around people's necks with their self -imposed piety. As a matter of fact, I sure hope and pray I haven't done that as well.

Lord God spread these seeds, I pray they fall on Good Soil, produce good fruit, let your Will be done Abba in Jesus Christ name. Hallelujah! #JesusAlreadyWon! #BornAbove! #LoveBeyondConditions!

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God already knows if and when we may fall away when He first calls us. He knows all.

ISAIAH55:8, For my Thoughts are Not your thoughts, neither my Ways your ways Saith the Lord>9.Mark10:27 With God all things are Possible Even All Things No Matter what Any Man or Scholar Thinks.

Remember King David he went and joined the enemies of Israel And acted like a madman! Yes The Only Salvation is in Jesus Christ ✝️ Alone ‼️ Christians might leave and look around for something else but Nothing can ever truly satisfy! Many prodigals have returned 🙏🏻🙏🏽🙏🏿

Yes and Amen! This is super good Doctor. Very much agree. Thank you!

I feel im living the concequences of my sins, things in life became hard for me because of me (lost friends, arguing with my family, porn addiction, bad grades in college) and that God Doesnt hear me and that my heart is harden. I need hope that there is still a chance for me to repent.

Exactly! We don’t need systems! It’s all about a personal relationship with our Father, His Son Jesus and the Spirit, our Comforter, Guide and Teacher. We can’t just “do the works” with out knowing Him, trusting Him. Works without faith is just as dead as “Faith“ without works. In the parable about the sheep and the goats he warns us that works alone is not our salvation, Jesus said the most terrifying and heartbreaking statement ever, “depart from me, I never knew you” to the goats, Who did the same work as the sheep, and in Jesus‘s name as well, were sent to damnation. Whereas the sheep knew him, he knew his voice, were welcomed into the Father’s house! The sheep follow the Shepherd because they know him, because they trust him, because they rely on him to guide them and to love them; and they love Him beyond everything that life throws at them!

Good point. Thank you for standing your ground firmly against "systems" regurgitating their man fabricated misinterpretations. Stand firm on The Word at every moment. Be the salmon swimming against the current while the dead or weak salmon are carried away to be dumped in the sea.

Exactly..thank GOD!!!!!!!! Especially when life sucks...thats the funny part. ...looking at death, or looking at homelessness. ..or looking at loneliness, or looking at hunger. ...or looking at a flat tire....or looking at a cancelled CC or looking at ripped shirt....or looking at birdshit on your shoulder. ....praise Him....it's just life...its not the end....

King Manasseh started out evil in the sight of God and later he repented. He was NOT apostate!

This is what I never quite understand, how do people *choose* to believe? I think that I'm either convinced of something or I'm not. Many years ago I began Bible study, prayer, and seeking, but I'm not sure that I ever believed it. I wanted to believe, and I put in a lot of effort. But eventually I had so many questions that weren't answered to my satisfaction and became convinced through conversations online that it was all nonsense, and I was just fooling myself. So I just accepted my atheism and gave up. I've since rediscovered my faith, and again, I think I believe. As much as I'm able to believe my own subjective internal experiences, anyway. I've overcome the barriers that I had before, but I can't get over this feeling of uncertainty of where I stand? Sometimes I'll swear that I'm on the right track and everything is going great, but then I seem to get a sense of distance and uncertainty again. So much of the Bible seems to say conflicting things about salvation. You can't do anything to earn it, but you also have to be something or not do things or believe things entirely, or you might lose it or possibly not ever have had it. I don't know, I just want to do or not do or believe or whatever to not be trapped in this cycle of uncertainty. I'm terrified of slipping back into the hopelessness and despair of living in meaninglessness. Losing my faith last time nearly killed me, I need to believe in Christ.

Thanks Dr Heiser.. Could you do some teachings about the way Jesus instructs how to build His Church...

I definitely have to agree, and this is something I've believed for a long time. It always troubled me when pastors or church leaders would use that argument, that once you walk away from the faith, you are essentially cancelled. I can't agree with this, based on 2 things: the story of the Prodigal Son, and my OWN story of backsliding and eventual restoration. I think the argument is used irresponsibly, with the intent to invoke fear into the hearts and minds of young people (or young believers). I think it has the unfortunate side effect of driving people away, their reasoning being that there is an inconsistency or fallacy/flaw in the grace/faith/mercy/forgiveness argument.

Apostasy and what is an apostate must be defined, It would clear things up. As Dr Sproul used to say about salvation, if you lose it, you never had it and if you have it, you’d never lose it.

The one distinction between Hebrews and the story of Manasseh is the text implies he did not know that God was real until he was delivered from captivity. People grow up in church and think they’re Christian, but have no personal encounter with the Spirit. Those people apostatise and return all the time. Hebrews specifically talks about a person with full revelation and knowledge of God who has the Holy Spirit and still chooses to reject the truth and look for an alternative means of salvation. Very different situations.

Don't stop believing

"There could be people who just bail. They say "I don't believe this anymore." Rhett and Link come to mind.

I think this passage has a clearer understanding than what has been presented. I think the key to understanding this text is found in Heb 6:6,8. The person in question "restore them again". to be restored again means there was something there at one time. I would define this as a person who had saving faith. What happened to this person who cannot be restored again? I think we find the answer in verse 8 "if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned". The person who cannot be restored again is described as a person who has brought forth thorns and thistles (instead of fruit). You probably know where I am going with this. Jesus gives a very clear definition of what thorns and thistles represent. Mat 13:7,22. Ground that received seed choked out and bears no fruit because thorns choked it out. Jesus defines exactly what he is saying in verse 22. The love of riches, the cares of this world, and other things choke to death this person. But I think that definition is too broad for this person in Hebrews. That would include almost everybody at some point in their walk with the Lord. Well, Jesus takes this very definition and narrows it tighter. Mat 7:15-19. Here he describes false prophets as people who bear fruit of thorns and thistles. What is the same between this description and the one in Hebrews other than the thorns and thistles is where they end up. Hebrews "it end is to be burned" Mat "thrown into the fire". I postulate that many of the well-known false prophets and so-called word of faith teachers today, who have their doctrine built solidly on covetousness, which is idolatry, whose god is mammon, I think many of them at one time had saving faith, but covetousness grabbed hold and there is no going back. They preach thorns and thistles and they glory in their shame. These are the ones Paul weeps about in Php 3:18-19 and the ones who have made themselves the enemy of God Jas 4:4. It is not a mystery who the writer of Hebrews is talking about and they are identifiable according to Jesus and the writer of Hebrews. Thorns and Thistles are how they are identified. They preach the doctrine of Balaam and Jezebel of Rev Ch 2. God gave Jezebel (probably an Elohim) and some of her followers in the church of Thyatira space to repent. They didn't repent. Why? The writer of Hebrews says it is simply impossible for them to repent.

The answer here is a resounding yes! What many fail to see is that the path of truth and faith really do diverge. Staying on either path seems to get you half-way somewhere, fortunately. Even if one seems rougher at times you can be fairly certain that both of them are. I think the metaphorical crossroads are points where a person's own ability to reason is exposed. Man's logic and arrogance of and from it are like directional markers along the ways.

Thank you for this avenue. Currently, I feel like I've become an apostate. Heart hardened. Feeling condemned by scriptures. Having evil thoughts that are catching me by surprise. And feeling very suicidal Feeling cut off from God. Feeling like no more opportunity for me to make heaven again. Like I'm confined to hell. This is very very scary I've had some demonic dreams which ended up scaring me. And leaving me in a state of panic/fear/condemnation Back in 2014, I had a nervous breakdown. I didn't know it was a nervous breakdown then, all I know is prior to that time, I started having a lot of condemnation and then the intrusive thoughts started coming and I could not fight it. I could not pray. I became very fearful and kept it to myself until one night I couldn't hold it anymore, I woke up in the middle of the night screaming ... It was as if the holy spirit left me I wasn't myself.... My parents were as confused as I was. I was taken here and there I became more stable, but I still felt that the holy spirit was gone. I thought and thought of where I got it wrong... I was just condemned on all of my thoughts. I tried praying, but it felt like I was just talking to myself I knew something was terribly wrong with me I tried talking with some christians then, but they were t really getting me as I wasn't making any much sense I was being plagued by thoughts that I was going to die any time soon or lose my mind, or get hit by a car I was in a church program in 2015, the preacher preached, and I listened... Then he shared a true life testimony about how God's love availed for a man who was at a dying moment. Somehow, my faith latched on, that if God could have mercy on that man, me too I'll lay hold on his mercy Before I knew it, in the days to come, I started loving the scriptures again and praying... I now had a new understanding of the scriptures and I had joy It was like I became born again , again But I still lived in fear, though I was still walking in obedience to God outwardly I had fear in my heart Though somehow, with prayers and the word I was able to get them down I met my husband 2015 ending And in 2016 Ending we got married. Around the time of our wedding, I'll admit even though we didn't engage in premarital sex, we were quite intimate.... I felt remorse about this , I prayed to God to forgive me. But weeks to the wedding I started feeling panic all over again, similar to how the first attack began. Then fear played it's part as my dad was having dreams of dead people, I was scared and almost had another breakdown. On the wedding day , I didn't want to get out of bed, I was under severe panic and eventually, I was taken to the hospital on the wedding day and treated for malaria After the wedding, I was still battling this symptoms, and so I spoke with the pastor of the church that I attend, and with time, I was able to be strong in God again But I kept having recurrent attacks over the course of our marriage, depression, panic and I kept praying and studying God's word. Condemnation When I got pregnant with my first child, it was tough. I thought I was going to die, the intrusive thoughts were daily... I didn't really understand what was happening But I kept praying I eventually had my daughter 2017ending Still I continued to struggle with attacks in my mind , it was jumping from one issue to the other At a time I struggled with bitterness and anger I kept praying and studying for God's direction as it was causing me to be depressed But in 2020 I had another breakdown, It was very serious I was taken to the hospital but later referred to Neuropsychiatric hospital and I was diagnosed with a major depressive disorder All these events were very traumatic Yet, I felt cut off from God yet again The intrusive thoughts were looming I felt there's surely no way of getting out this time I was still on medications but i continued searching online for christian help to these things Finally I had a mini breakthrough And I ran with it The light came on again But this time, the struggle was much, I was fighting one battle in my mind after another There are times I feel like something wanted me to accept a though pattern and I'll cry and pray and study in that area So. From one battle to another It was like I was living under a cloud I got tired but was still able to hold on to God until very recently, I struggled so much with bitterness and anger and I couldn't get over it even though I knew it was wrong and prayed and studied Recently, I felt cut off yet again, this time, the intrusive thoughts are worse, telling me there's no way out this time, I've exhausted all the grace available to me. I feel battle weary and already felt condemned to hell I have been very suicidal. Cos it's like it's either I end it now or continue to live in misery I feel like those the bible call apostate I tried praying but can't even do it. I tried studying the Bible but seem condemned by it. I total shut down. Couldn't go to work , take care of my children , etc. Just there. Earlier, each time I tried to fight these thoughts I'll encounter massive attacks that'll leave me running back in fear Currently, I have never felt so cut off from God. I feel my heart is so hardened and I can't repent for all my sins again. I don't just know what to do, I feel something is binding my heart, I don't feel joy, I don't enjoy anything again... And something in me is being thrilled about evil. I try to dissociate myself... I keep being tempted daily to end it. My husband is saying I am allowing the devil to torment me. It's not like I want him to, but just that the only person I could run to from help feels cut off from me and I feel like I'm damned. Please , is there a chance that there is any hope for me. I am ashamed. I haven't left the house in a week plus, seem to be tormented in my sleep. I always wake up around 2 or 3 with wrong thoughts that leave me feeling like running away or killing myself cos how can I claim to be a Christian yet my thoughts are not okay 247. I don't feel like a Christian anymore. I need help I've been here since July beginning In this state And it appears to be getting worse. The only prayer I've been muttering is God help me But then the thoughts are telling me otherwise That I'm just wasting my time. I just feel tired And like I failed and disappointed God The thoughts sometimes tell me to renounce God. And I'll just shake my head Yes I am. I am always watching encouraging videos online cos if I drop my phone the thoughts will start again No love in my heart again. It's like I am running on empty. Im not even running again I feel all these are happening though because of the condemnation of being cut off from God. Thanks in anticipation.

The example of Manasseh assumes he was a true believer in Christ before his repentance.

Amen, powerful.

Please prayer I have a seared conscience and need the Holy Spirit back

Most apostates don’t leave to worship other gods but because they are no longer able to believe what they are told. They want to be honest with themselves and I think it is commendable in God’s eyes!

The letter to the Hebrews was written to Jews who were returning to Judaism because of persecution. Paul makes a lengthy argument that Jesus is the only way, the only priest and sacrifice. Essentially, to turn back and once again rely on animal sacrifices for forgiveness is to kill or crucify the idea of Jesus as the only atonement. The priests tried to remove Jesus by crucifying Him in order to remove him from the picture. This is what these departing believers are doing and also making it an impossibility for repentance and faith to be restored. They are removing the offense, Jesus from their lives.

Praise the LORD💪❤️☦️😇🙏👍

This is perhaps the most important theology that some will ever come to understand. Dr. Heiser is telling us, that God Almighty is offering nothing else, besides the work and incarnation of Jesus The Christ. If we reject this as truth and faith, we are lost!

Sir, I believe in the Lord is my God, my King, my Savior, and mt Shepherd. But as of late, I have been struggling severely with backsliding and had fallen into sin too much, too much for my liking to the point that I recognized myself an apostate and has been struggling in the head on how to go about it. I want to return to the Lord, but find myself hesitant to ask for forgiveness despite knowing it is open. I cannot help but imagine myself as a child who is afraid to come home to a Father who would openly have me...but it feels wrong to return if I were to wrong Him again, and it just keeps going. I know forgiveness from the Lord is infinite, and that He hates sin and loves the sinner, but I keep having thoughts and my own voice saying "you're an apostate, deserving of death, you're unworthy of salvation" and stuff like that on constant loop. I fear that I am not ready, nor can I ever be ready if God returns, and I know He will return soon. What am I to do about this? What can a guy do to be a true son of God and deny temptation in it's entirety?

I think Jesus refers to this in the parable of the sower. The seed (word of God) that falls on rocky ground, and the person receives it with joy, but it doesn't take root and they fall away. It's not that they believe and backslid, but it sounds like they just turned away for the world instead. You can only serve one master.. the world, or God. Sadly, we've heard of many Christians recently that have publicly rejected Christ after serving him, and even though it is possible for them to come back, it just doesn't seem likely. That's up to them, and that's why we continue to pray for them.

I'd have to say that the author of Hebrews was speaking with a group of former believers, some of which were there witnessing the blessings, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Hebrews 6 is not talking to those that come to Jesus long after, who must believe by faith alone, without seeing, either believe or don't. This is why Paul wrote Ephesians 6 for the Jews and gentiles and must determine their faith and guard that faith through the discernment of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said to Thomas, blessed is he the has seen and believes, blessed even more is he that has not seen yet can believe. Those who gave up on Jesus witnessed Him and believed yet some time afterwards turned back and when theirs heart convicted them tried to come back after denying Jesus and making therefore the sacrifice of Christ fresh again. This cannot happen. However we, living long after afterwards are continually bombarded by deceitful doctrine can sometimes fail in our faith, even deny Him for a short time yet still be received back into Jesus for we can only live by faith and not by sight. However those that did see and believed and witnessed all had no excuse, and I believe this is why the Jewish temple had to be destroyed to prevent people returning to a sacrificial system. We are the new temple of living stones, not created by men, and Jesus is the Chief cornerstone the builders rejected.

Thank you!

Like Michel Heiser also recommend Bob Wilkin,God bless brothers and sisters

Mannassah never tasted of the power

Still learning from the dr. Love and miss you

If people read 2 Thess 2:3, they need to read v. 10 to see why they are called apostate, not to be mistaken with unrighteousness BEFORE hearing the truth. Some will reject the truth regardless and have eternity away from God. Did Manasseh hear the truth and still went 50+ years being an evil king? This is the assumption of him. His father, at times, appeared to be right yet made some foolish mistakes. It also appears that Manasseh was not raised under righteous ways or the Law hence, his evil reign for most of his 55 years. Apostasty is those who once knew the truth but had no love for it and created their own ways to glorify a now corruptible god. They rejected the truth for one of their own and, according to 2 Peter 2:20-22, will not return to Christ. They have already put him back on the cross as a form of sacrifice to serve their needs.

I believe that once you are a true believer, the Holy Spirit seals you and you become “in Christ”, transferred from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light, freed from the bondage of sin… how could this be undone? Of course, we still sin because we still live in flesh. But how can we rip ourselves away from someone we are united with? Even in our doubts and sins, God is still within us and we will eventually listen to His voice, even if we have stopped for a short season. If a person never “comes back” they were never saved.

I was born homosexual. But beyond that my body had chemical imbalances. More estrogen less testosterone. That's what I dealt with as a kid. In my teenage years I knew God had already given me the choice. My parents already ruined my childhood foundation. At 17 I knew I needed God to save me from my curse. But I couldn't ......I violated my body and dealing disease. I am 25 no college degree no foundation filed chapter 13 and I realized I need God Evan more now than ever. But I know that the day I die I'm not going to heaven. I have accepted the darkness in my early 20s. I denied God so early and started letting demons live through me. If God can save me from my addiction and sin it will be through the prayer of my family and friends because I have no self control. I might Evan die before I'm 40. I'm 25 I live in Chicago and what's so interesting is when I try to change and put things to the side it's like the world makes all those things easily available for me when I try to fast. I know Ive done enough damage and heavenly violations it's probably too late. But I see God through my neices and nephews and it makes me so sad that I can't sacrifice my sin

“I don’t care how this fits into your system. We don’t need systems. We need to pay attention to the text, and we need to be consistent across the testaments. That’s what we need.”

Hebrews 6:4 I believe is talking about the hebrews going back in moses teaching. I've read hebrews many times. It looks like if you read it the whole book is telling you they were being persecuted for there faith. So they were bringing in the mosaic law with faith in Jesus.

*I just thought of a* *very real verse in Job* *2:10** where he said* *to his wife; What?* *Shall we Receive* *Good at the Hand of* *GOD, and Shall We* *Not Receive Evil.!!*

RIP Dr Heiser. I respect much of his work and how it's transformed my understanding to see the ultimate work of Christ in this universe. Praise God for a brother like Dr. Heiser. But I would have to disagree minorly with his take on this. Regarding the "impossible" I believe the Pillar commentary is correct and consistent on this view with the rest of scripture. Dr. Heiser was asking for consistency, and I believe he forgot to mention that God does "harden" people. Dr. Heiser understands "impossible" to mean that outside of God, there is No Other Possible Way to Salvation (which is true) and therefore the impossibility. But this is not consistent with the actual text as Verse 7-8 of Hebrews 6 gives us the reason for that impossibility: "7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned." - NIV The reason it is impossible for these reprobates to return is because God Himself has finally cut them off and cast them out. i.e... Pharoh, King Saul, and Judas Iscariot and the likes of these. It is "impossible" for these reprobates to return not because they were "non-elects" or "reprobated from eternity pass" (all of which Dr Heiser does not believe in neither do I, but it's just an example of other heretical theoloy). The impossibility here is that God has finally rejected them. This is the consistency throughout scripture that Dr. Heiser missed. I call this "the point of no return." And only God knows when the reprobates has become so harden that God Himself will give them over to their own sinful desires and seal the deal - Romans 1:26. This therefore harmonizes perfectly with the prodigal son and the reprobate stories and all the warning passages of being cut off. Manessah was still a prodigal son. Paul of Tarsus was still a prodigal son. But King Saul was not neither was Judas Iscariot. Scripture gives us a glimpse of that exact moment Judas was given over in John 13: John 13:26-27 ...” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he (Jesus) gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. 27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.” God gave Judas over to Satan at that moment. Then later, Jesus expanded on reprobation in John 15: 15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful." then John 15:5-6 "5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." and then the master and wicked servant passages with the wicked servant being cut into pieces and assigned a place with the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!!! - Matt 24:45 Being cut off and reprobated is very real or else King Jesus would just be giving hypothetical rhetoric nonsense. smh.... Let King Jesus be true and all men liars! God Bless!

But the question is did Manasseh believe in the existence of Jesus before he got so bad. Because I think this verse refers to people that once believed and still believe in the existence of Jesus.But became on obedient

It seems to me that the way that you maintain your consistency across the text is a system- This whole read on Hebrews 6 (which is, I think, a good one.) hangs on the idea that the writer knew about Manasseh and had them in mind when they wrote Chapter 6. An alternative could be that the Hebrews author actually conflicts with the Chronicles author. The function by which you determine which read is more reasonable is your system.

Yeah, I've always wondered about James 5:19 regarding this....?

I have lost the Holy Spirit completely and couldn’t get Him back. I’m fearfully waiting judgement now

I repent for my sins

I thought this was refering to the Apostles and faithful destined to be martyred for the Gospel and confessing Jesus. Like when Jesus was baptized in the Spirit. Immediately the Spirit brought the fight to Satan. Satan seemed to sift Peter. The apostles were martyred to glorify Jesus and possibly. ?

As a 75 year old apostate and former indoctrinated Catholic I can honestly say I'm better off with my own understanding of how the world works instead of this childish crap.

I always find it best to interpret the Bible with the exact meaning of the words that were written down when people start to inject their views that's when we have a different Jesus that is being preached a different gospel. You're either going to take God's word and accept it or you're going to twist it and make it mean what you want it to mean and therefore you don't have God's word at all.

Thanks!

Love what mike says. I just wish he would do more teaching on eschatological systems. 🤣

If they reject Jesus unto death they cannot be saved. When someone is enlightened by the Lord and they fall away it is because they never was saved to begin with.

Amen Doc…. Amen

Jesus said "He that believes in me has (present tense) everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation..." So how long does everlasting life last and how does this jive with people who did believe but bailed?

Isn't the pint though that Manasseh's repentance was as a Jew before Christs sacrifice. And Hebrew's is talking of the Christian post Passion?

Only one sin can't be forgiven as far as i know, Peter was forgiven for denying even knowing Jesus 3 times

Thank you for this i was worried and just to make sure he will forgive people for rejecting him?

So I'm a believer I've seen Jesus do things in my life then my pops died and in my pain instead of staying in Jesus I turned to chasing women whilst I was married and doing cocaine then I got addicted to pain meds ...I let go of cocaine I then lost my mom and I went further in my addiction and started my cocaine addiction again I got caught and did probation 4 months otil I was to b done with my probation I got caught again buying cocaine so I went to jail for a year all the while I was pleading to the lord to get me out of this mess and pain I've been in that I put myself in . He did he plucked me out and set me in jail and I lost contact with everyone family etc. Then when I was ready he came in and put me back together when I got out of prison I left my girlfriend of 13yrs ( side) but the drugs got even worse I've tried to stop and I can't I've even gone and bought knowing I was wrong and got high I'm sick over this I don't want to do anymore cocaine but I do so what I'm asking is am I an apostate? Is it too late for me🥺

Please, where can I get the video in its entirety?

Believing = Trusting and Obeying. Not just believing that there actually is a God. Faith is a verb = Action by default.

God can do all things ? but WILL He do all thing… not if the thing in question would break his characters code of conduct…God will move mountains to convince us to believe and he has… but he wont rob us of our freedom of choice so choose life

I would like to interject this brief observation, Manasseh was Israelite and the second less in value though also important was how many steps from Adam he was we are so far removed from Adam that I feel a lot of what is wrong with today is the greatness of sin as opposed to the holiness of God we have tipped the scale and have made to the point of no return. God's plan is well under way now so much so that those who truly turn from God not just one who sin. Anyway just a humble opinion one among many and there for not a fact :-)

Clearly logical...

certainly

Very good