Can BF 4.3 make my iFlight Evoque F6 fly as good as a 5"

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Can BF 4.3 make my iFlight Evoque F6 fly as good as a 5"

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Joshua Bardwell

Күн бұрын

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@jc.cantrell 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Joshua of the future, Joshua of the present, and Joshua of the past. I have four different Nazguls, including the Evoque6, and each of them are the best flying drones in my quad squadron.

@PianoManPaul Жыл бұрын

My F6D is on the way from iFlight and I am pumped!!! In my short venture into FPV this far, my research has brought to this - a long ranger with a perfect mix of one great freestyle capabilities (at least for now, I plan on doing my own builds soon) ... thanks for this great video expanding my bravery for changing bf settings I never dared to change before!

@scu-dub 2 жыл бұрын

Learning is fun with JB 😁

@uavtech 2 жыл бұрын

11:00 - LOL looks "KISS good". Pump up Anti-Gravity to 10 or 15 and throbbles will be mint. AG is so easy to tune now. If you go to high, you will immediately know it as the quad will oscillate when you move the throttle rapidly. Move it up till just below that point and not KISS'ish throbbles.

@NoFlyDrone 2 жыл бұрын

Followed your directions and my quad is on the moon now. Did not catch Joshua from the future to tell me to set to 20... j/k

@oddeman3489 2 жыл бұрын

thank you Joshua, I just got this drone and now I gonna do this, update to BF 4,3. 😁

@LuckyMoniker 2 жыл бұрын

i've been 'freestyling a 6" on 4.3" for the last 3 months or so, im having a blast! its my first full size full build though so im kinda biased/not biased enough

@MCsCreations 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Joshua! Thanks a bunch for all the tips! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@FireDFPV 2 жыл бұрын

From my 7 years experiences, the ultimate maneuver to test PID tuning is rapid 90° roll or flip, as fast as you can. If you do it continuously on either the same or opposite turning direction (roll 90° right then roll 90° left) then it would also test how hot the motors can be from flying. If the PID is off, motors can be really hot even with just 2-3 times of this maneuver. I have 2 six inches KISS quads with small motors(2208) that fly great in almost any maneuver but this 90° rapid roll or flip. I give up on finer tuning them. It is interesting how would your great flying, BF4.3, 6 inch quad perform doing this 90° maneuver.

@su_K3N 2 жыл бұрын

11:44 the only reason I remembered to hit the LIKE 👍 button is because you reminded me. Great vid Bardwell.

@mathieusan 2 жыл бұрын

The Betaflight Lua script letting you change all the PID tuning from the radio is a really neat feature. I'm always reticent to carry a laptop and opening it in the grass or dirt, so that's really neat.

@joshuasterling2144 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome I have always liked this form factor for longer cruise flights.

@martinwager8815 2 жыл бұрын

This was interesting to see how to tune for a larger quad. Could you also do one for a smaller one like a 3.5”?

@DavidTaghehchian 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this. I think 6" needs more love and attention.

@artakturner 2 жыл бұрын

it's amazing when u can tuning you quad with RC, I want to know a bit more about that script.

@sunsetpark_fpv 2 жыл бұрын

I was looking for a link to the Betaflight LUA nightly builds and that's why I came here to watch the video a second time :) If I find a link I'll post it :)

@ezalku 2 жыл бұрын

my favorite legend is Joshua from the future ,and yes i love this episode . would love to see more

@paulbehrens5842 2 жыл бұрын

Great stick skills are also useful.

@richardheedfpv9626 2 жыл бұрын

I've got an old geprc 230 flyfish on 4.3. Very light and I run Mark Spatz 5 inch preset with 6 inch probs. It's a beast. Superb. I can do a full 180 at top speed with no propwash.

@ChainsawFPV 2 жыл бұрын

Like the tuning by radio. Thats kinda cool

@nazlihaffiz 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Gonna do this to my F6 too! Thanks Joshua! :)

@Vmaxfodder 2 жыл бұрын

Too cool Mr. quad chopper engineer !

@raikagenu7072 2 жыл бұрын

I think you should try using 6 inch 2 blades propeller (like ethix K2, etc)

@BNIRc 2 жыл бұрын

Always 1 to 1 on the P @ D ratio 😜 love the information bro

@MrSabram07 2 жыл бұрын

I can't wrap my head around tuning

@IconicProps 2 жыл бұрын

The Nazgul5's always flew better than the evoques. Though I have 2 bardwell qavs frames with BLITZ stacks in them, and they fly great. I have only one stack that is un-tuneable (for me). I am going to try 4.3. Thanks for the video.

@kenb6565 2 жыл бұрын

Said it on the last video...my best freestyle rig: Apex hd 6", 4.3, 2208.5 or 2506, vista, and gf6030 props. Its magic...easy 5 minutes with GoPro on a 1350 5s. 8 minutes on a 1850 5s. Its so buttery smooth, powerful and just as responsive as my 5" with feedforward and PID's cranked.

@StR8KiLLA_FPV 2 жыл бұрын

Can I ask why 5s? I fly a 6in apex also but on 6s and with 1860kv imperials. Its my favorite freestyle quad also

@kenb6565 2 жыл бұрын

@StR8KiLLA FPV I started 5s when 6s was still a little sketchy and Stuck with it, also fly mostly 5.5". My electronics seemed to last longer but don't think that is case anymore. I have an apex 6" with imperials (2150kv) as well...Flys great, but the 2208.5 2222kv and 1922kv are 10-20% more efficient and I seem to like a touch better. I was really surprised.

@arkaei 2 жыл бұрын

me, after an afternoon of ripping this exact quad on 4.3 RC3 (with gemfan flash props): **has fun* JB: you know, you can actually get like 1.3% more performance out of this me: damn you JB 💜

@divingfalconfpv4602 2 жыл бұрын

The flash props? 6042? I ordered 6x3x3 & 6x3.5x3 too to test Stock props are long range props. 6" long range builds using those

@arkaei 2 жыл бұрын

@@divingfalconfpv4602 yeah, 6042. I don't know why, but they make the thing feel weightless compared to stock. I tried the 6x3x3 as well, flash feel better. but that's useless information, it's all subjective. you have to figure out what feels good to you. and definitely use RC6 over RC3 🤣

@divingfalconfpv4602 2 жыл бұрын

@@arkaei I tested flash on 7" only didn't use cause I was going max distance / flight time.. flash were a lot more powerful

@arkaei 2 жыл бұрын

@@divingfalconfpv4602 agree - probably a bit overkill if you're going for range & time. but if you're within maybe 2km and want to punch out high quickly & then dive... this Nazgûl might just become my mountain surfing rig. or, you know, I'll get overconfident and lose it. definitely gonna trim the side panels because at 1200 I'm a bit worried about that Vista's ability to breathe. how's your experience?

@divingfalconfpv4602 2 жыл бұрын

@@arkaei been so busy & weather. I have only did short hover & found out my transmitter battery was at 5.9v 🤣 Hoping for a LR & freestyle mix. Carry hero9 & not lose a lot of flight time. If this can do both so I don't have to take a few drones I can just take one.

@DriftaholiC 2 жыл бұрын

Do tuning with Chris Rosser, UAV Tech, and Brian White via Pid Toolbox all on this quad then review the different approaches and outcomes. Would be especially good since this quad is troublesome.

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

My approach is very similar to that used by Chris and Mark. The main difference between them is that Chris prefers to tune D first then P, while Mark goes the other way.

@DriftaholiC 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell true. Maybe a blind test then :P

@markphilly80 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome videos. Btw. You freestyle a 6" better than a 5" 😂. Think you may like the loftyness

@GTARC_au 2 жыл бұрын

I love the 6 inch quads. Bugger is better. 👍🍻

@marcuskrause8494 2 жыл бұрын

Please try 7 inches. The efficiency is tremendous.

@dario_hxc 2 жыл бұрын

Could you please make a video on how to update the Tx BF Lua? thanks and keep on the great work!

@dronereviewman9580 2 жыл бұрын

i WaS GoInG 2 HiT ThE LiKe BuT iTs aT 420!!!! anyone can fly it faster I think you could my friend!!! I really need to get out and fly!! the weather is getting nice finally!!! Thanks 4 Another Great Post!!! happy 420

@bigdatapimp 2 жыл бұрын

I bet if you used the K2 bi-blades you'd like 6in a good deal more. I bet you wouldn't need to crank settings up quite as much either... All I fly for freestyle.

@ErraziBProductionS 2 жыл бұрын

SOOOO EXCITED!!!

@mbfpv 2 жыл бұрын

Would anyone recommend to upgrade a cygnet geprc pro to bf 4.3? I'm still on 3.5.7.🤔

@SKY53. 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Joshua, the information and interesting help you give us are professional but also funny! Is the frame Crushed or DeadCat? (have you comments about this different geometries?)

@divingfalconfpv4602 2 жыл бұрын

What gyro? They sent paper about having to use different target for the new bmi240 (if I got it right) gyro Found weird stock turn has rpm filter on but bidirectional off

@Hrichs 10 ай бұрын

What differences might I find when tuning the f6d compared to the f6x? Thamks

@amen_ra6926 2 жыл бұрын

These little tuning videos are informative but I still can't tell what to look or listen for. As a result, I don't bother. But it would be nice to dial things in a little bit.

@jboyfpv4268 2 жыл бұрын

Dang !! Effin legend !!

@supernova1969a 2 жыл бұрын

How are you recording the motor noise. I thought you couldn't with DJ I

@RCRitterFPV 2 жыл бұрын

heh that 20k RPM idle must of been exciting... If you raise Idle does that scale up the throttle? effectively lowering hover lower in throttle ? say idle is 10% would 1% on your stick travel now be 11% or is it just 11% until the stick gets to 11%? Conversely if you lower your idle, would that raise your hover point? (hope that is clear..) so if you wanted 40% hover on all your quads. you could tune with idle rpm.

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

It maxes at 10k but it was weird why it was descending so slow.

@spikester 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell LOL, they put a hard max of 10000 in there, smart. what a spectacular idle flyaway 20000 would've been.

@filippopirisinu 2 жыл бұрын

But can you do the same with deacat 6?

@jeffatkins8103 Жыл бұрын

Why is it that DJI can make a drone land within inches of home and so much more reliable RTH and the Betaflight doesn’t come close?

@JoshuaBardwell Жыл бұрын

DJI has a lot more sensors. Optical flow. Downward facing camera. Sonar. Etc. Betaflight has GPS and baro only. Also, Betaflight is not focused on autonomous flight. You might as well ask why DJI is so bad at racing and acro. Each firmware is good at what it's good at.

@Victor90NOR 2 жыл бұрын

Tried flashing my 7" to 4.3 today. Was tuned pretty hard on 4.2 with very low filtering. but on default 4.3 it sounded like a dull saw blade as it flew away to no-mans land 🤷🏼‍♂️ Didn't touch a single physical thing so it shouldn't become flyaway noisy from plugging in the usb.. Any theory? I also got a failsafe with my 6" today when my buddy used the agent lite lua on his controller 😳 4.3 Confidence = 0

@dariush.2375 2 жыл бұрын

How do flyaways happen? Can't I just disarm?

@cheddergetter 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Joshua pls help, I have an issue that when my reciever connects to my radio my vtx cuts out, by way I'm using crossfire, did not change anything from last year

@spikester 2 жыл бұрын

Is GLP2 even necessary on 4.3 RPM filter on typical MPU6x/non-BMI gyro? Evidently 4.3 dynamic notch is much improved that even without RPM filter you can turn off a lot of filtering compared to 4.2.

@backwoodsfpv265 2 жыл бұрын

what do you do if betaflight doesnt like what you copied and pasted from the safe migration tool? i get an error message when i hit type save and hit enter

@carlosnunes2096 2 жыл бұрын

BF4.3.0 RC5 just came out. What's new?

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

Every release comes with release notes that detail the changes in the release. github.com/betaflight/betaflight/releases/tag/4.3.0-RC5 Betaflight 4.3 Release Candidate 5 brings the following updates: Safety Improvements Added a minimum value of 200ms for failsafe guard time and failsafe recovery time - failsafe_delay in the CLI, Many improvements to failsafe code RXLOSS should now only appear in the OSD after a full 100ms of no Rx signal Default Stage 1 Failsafe period is now 1.5 seconds, close to the Stage 1 period of 1.6s when set to 1.0s in 4.2 Fixes Fix for DSHOT/Bitbang not holding the line at idle level for the full bit-period Improved CRSF baud rate negotiation to prevent failsafes Cleaned up [ELRS/NVIC code] (#11461) Fixed a bug where saving a profile could falsely trigge a Rx loss warning (for non pwm/ppm protocols) Configurator Fix for the spinning model icon in the Receiver tab Failsafe durations can now be entered in seconds Updated translations Fixes for backup and restore buttons Other small bug fixes

@TheLegendaryShawn 2 жыл бұрын

I started off on a 6inch, never saw any reason why it would not be good... my next build is a 5inch and I've had nothing but problems. Sadly barely ever got to fly with the 5inch setup.

@Cameronpov 2 жыл бұрын

Im confused. Was beta flight not already on the quad? Do iFlight quads use something else?

@cityrocker3 2 жыл бұрын

What would be suitable Dynamic Idle Value for 7 inch?

@fpvwithme 2 жыл бұрын

I'm told my nazgul evoque f5 will work with 4s and 6s batteries. The motors are xing2207 at 1745 kv. I thought I had bought a 4s drone but I'm told it fan support 6s as well. Is this true or am I about to smoke my drone? Thanks J.

@vtowndegekste 2 жыл бұрын

How can we get that lua?

@Takianagi Жыл бұрын

What kind of controller is that?

@lfrecords3970 Жыл бұрын

Joshua the links go to Evoque f5 not f6...why?

@JoshuaBardwell Жыл бұрын

Because Banggood, when a product goes out of stock, they just redirect the link to a different product and they don't care if you accidentally buy the wrong product :-(

@lfrecords3970 Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell crap.... if I order it from the official site where is it comes from? USA? Cause if yes they add taxes and fees..... from China nothing

@sammumu4088 2 жыл бұрын

I have the following problem, I have a quadrocopter, the following components are installed, Succex F7 twin G flight controller, a board with 50amp controllers on it, Xing 2750KV 2207 motors and 5040 props. I flew the copter last year with either a 3 or 4S, everything was great. A few days ago I flew the copter again and was amazed to find that the 4 S batteries dropped from 16.8 volts to 15.8 volts 2-3 seconds after taking off, the same with the 3S lipos, I have 5 Tried different lipos with the same result? The 1800mah lipos are down to 15 volts after 2 minutes. I charged the Lipos to storage voltage over the winter. Something is drawing a lot of electricity here, what can it be?? What is wrong here, is it a defect? Short circuit, are any wires touching, is there anything defective on the board or the regulators? The copter flies quite well. As always, the motors run smoothly. I'm at a loss, can somebody help me?

@jamesn6048 Жыл бұрын

Nah the motors are probably inefficient

@terminsane 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking... since ELRS receivers are so tiny and cheap, can we put two receivers on one quad? Like Diversity, but for RX. 2 antennas, placed at opposite ends of the quad. FC listens to whichever has the better signal? Redundancy for $20 and 1 gram?

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

Betaflight does not support multiple receivers, so that's a no-go.

@panosfpv 2 жыл бұрын

Hello from Greece. Does this video apply to the Nazgul5 evoque f6D HD? I am on Betaflight 4.3 official release the quad is super smooth, everything is stock an i would like to reduce the propwash. I am using 6inch props with 3.5 pitch . Thanks for any help 😃😃

@matuka3755 2 жыл бұрын

From this video 0:02, but a bit off topic - what is that configuration are you using with the DJI goggle foam and nose pads?

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

I've got it listed here: www.fpvknowitall.com/fpv-shopping-list-dji/#accessories

@Tattoo_Noobie Жыл бұрын

Is this the x or deadcat?

@J2_P 2 жыл бұрын

Why not just raise master multiplier to 2.0? (instead of P&I and D gain to 2.0 :D same effect). Chris Rosser tuning advice seems ok here :).

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

I started by raising P/I to see how the P gain alone affected the bounceback. After reaching the limit of that value, I started raising D to try to adjust the P/D balance. That was just how my brain thought about the tuning process.

@J2_P 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell Habits and feeling :) I understand. You end up with equals value :) then Chris assumption about P I D default ratio are fine for our quads is verified ;). Now you could raise master to 2.0 (reset P/I and D slider) and then try to increase P/I and D slider to go further :D.

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point. If I were to increase master, I could get higher gains, which I suspect are necessary.

@nvrcflyer2 2 жыл бұрын

Can someone please help me? I'm new at this. I have a new Nazgul Evoque 5D and it flies great! However i notice when I power loop and recover at the end of the loop it flutters really bad! I'm running without a go pro and a CNHL 1300 mAH battery. Is it too much weight causing this? Other then that its a very snappy fun quad to fly! Before this quad all I flew was KK2 10 plus years ago lol. lots to learn.

@billyfpv2777 2 жыл бұрын

you should put a kiss g4 or ultra in to and compare that to 4.3 😀

@Siamect 2 жыл бұрын

How about letting Joshua from the future make the next video? 😆

@decompyler 2 жыл бұрын

Idle value 2000 * 100... *flies to the moon*... "That's weird."

@xlw12 2 жыл бұрын

What does it do then to the F5?

@rippfpv 2 жыл бұрын

I just built a 6inch and put 2806 on my 6inch I’ll test your motor theory lol

@cookietiau 2 жыл бұрын

When i set the P/I and D gain to 2.0 in betaflight.. it gives me a warning of "motor damage and quad flyaway".. is that okay?

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

You've increased the risk of that happening. If you know what symptoms to look for and how to avoid it, then you can tell if it's imminent. If you don't know what symptoms to look for, then it's better to keep them in the "safe" range.

@cookietiau 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks for making this statement.. yeah my gut feeling told me to put it down a little bit and start from there.. at least i can check the basic stuff like motor temp and so on! Thanks for the reply.. you sir.. are the reason im into FPV!

@alboostfpv 2 жыл бұрын

Nice, but where can i find le lua script to add the betaflight in my radio ?

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

github.com/betaflight/betaflight-tx-lua-scripts-nightlies

@simonsaw4045 2 жыл бұрын

can u test the mark5 pls?

@fredericpetitpas 2 жыл бұрын

1:00 there's no link to your PID tuning guide my man

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

Oops here it is: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mr-PpJh1u82pnac.html Sorry.

@selfovercome4161 2 жыл бұрын

Noice

@PkwyDrive13 2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't you just push the master multiplier... Since you basically did 2.0 on both PI and D...

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

Yes but at first I didn't know I was going to increase D.

@Oxizee 2 жыл бұрын

though you didnt use Betaflight anymore?

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

What? Why would you think that?

@Oxizee 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell because some months ago you told, there was a better succsor to betaflight.

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

I.... don't think I said that. I released some videos about KISS FC, which some people think is better for freestyle. I didn't say I thought it was better. And I sure didn't say I was never using Betaflight again.

@Oxizee 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell okay my bad then. And ye, it was about KISS. What would you use for Cinematic Drones?

@JoshuaBardwell 2 жыл бұрын

Betaflight.

@GuilhermeSantos-mt3mq 2 жыл бұрын

I notice even my F5D fly much better on B4.3, I had to downgrade due to crossfire problems and the B4.2 sucks now hahaha

@radekm.7654 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Josh

@ridestolenbmx100 2 жыл бұрын

So I don’t want my props idling at 200,000 rpm? WACK

@RAWxGAMING97 2 жыл бұрын

the propwash looks worse on 4.3 than with your 4.2 actually.

@TheMadmacs 2 жыл бұрын

hehe, i was gonna say, it looked worse everytime you changed something.... i get this from almost every pid tuning vid i've ever watched except ibcrazys vid.... ps. it was a 7

@kevofpv 2 жыл бұрын

this is no hero 8. Its a 7..... 😋

@AirScottyfpv 2 жыл бұрын

JB tune my quad please. I will give you money from my wallet 💰

@MS-nj9le 2 жыл бұрын

This hobby turned out to be a total deadfuckin end.

@brendanzaebst9011 2 жыл бұрын

Not a fan! Your 6"flies like my 8" my 6 absolutely rips and is just beyond locked. Maybe its the RADIX or the project 399 Steez but man. You should snag a copy of my cli dump.