Can Christians and Ex-Christians See Eye to Eye? | Middle Ground
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0:00 intro
0:29 Christianity is the only true religion
6:28 The Bible is always open to interpretation
18:56 You can be gay and Christian
33:28 I've questioned if what I believe is true
42:20 I fear death
@jubilee 5 ай бұрын
An unreleased prompt is up on our Patreon bit.ly/3TBeEjE 👉“In the past, I’ve experienced unexplainable supernatural events”
@RebirthRavenIX 5 ай бұрын
W Jubilee
@DgardsGaming 5 ай бұрын
Should do Ex Atheist Vs Ex Christians
@ashleynavarrete2062 5 ай бұрын
should do reverts to Islam vs. Christianity
@rediettadesse2828 5 ай бұрын
Why is the guy dressed in a bondage? I would ask if it was a girl too .. its weird
@DgardsGaming 5 ай бұрын
@@rediettadesse2828I thought same thing.
@michaelwilburn1001 5 ай бұрын
I would love to see Ex-atheist vs. ex-christians
@cheythedime.7 5 ай бұрын
wish I could double like this one
@MrstheBerg 5 ай бұрын
That would be so interesting!
@gkmcjose4494 5 ай бұрын
We need that @jubilee
@wilddesigns857 5 ай бұрын
This one would be an interesting topic, and I would love to participate in it.
@Mknnathecat 5 ай бұрын
This one
@badabing1536 2 ай бұрын
I saw Johnny silently praying through this entire video.
@LegendOfTheAetheriumCodex Ай бұрын
You should watch his testimony video on Delafe Testimonies. Dude embodies what it means to be a Christian.
@Johan590 Ай бұрын
?@@bellagr33n
@Johan590 Ай бұрын
can u share the link?@@LegendOfTheAetheriumCodex
@VxS_VIBEZ Ай бұрын
Hes what@@bellagr33n
@VxS_VIBEZ Ай бұрын
@@bellagr33nhes wha!
@Notentertain Ай бұрын
Johnny’s character is so inspiring. He’s so calm and considerate. Not wanting to engage in arguments
@victorvargas9330 Ай бұрын
Johnny is humbled by his Asian genes. Christians are loud and preachy a£.
@zacseymore1611 Ай бұрын
@@alkaline_solo what you talking about your pfp nerd?
@alkaline_solo Ай бұрын
@@zacseymore1611 mine is Bladee. anime is infinitely worse
@usvi7684 25 күн бұрын
You can find his testimony video on Delafe Testimonies. 10/10 🤍🕊
@Wolf-ln1ml 24 күн бұрын
Yeah, funny how he was the only one like that who showed traits that are very much associated with Buddhists... Oh, wait...
@NeemaWainaina-vi7tq Ай бұрын
As a Christian struggling with my faith, Jonny's faith is like a light on hill... How it comforts me to know such intense and genuine faith is possible...
@usvi7684 25 күн бұрын
You can find his testimony video on Delafe Testimonies. 10/10 🤍🕊
@empressatheism5146 24 күн бұрын
You are pathetic
@pancakesama7614 23 күн бұрын
I mean the entire thing comes down to what your priorities are. Are you in search of truth or in search of emotional faith and moral guidance. Judging solely on facts Christianity is almost impossible to believe in, but if you are wanting what can provide comfort and guidance, Christianity provides that.
@TheErikapal20 19 күн бұрын
What are you struggling with?
@TheErikapal20 19 күн бұрын
@@pancakesama7614that’s not true tho
@Kris77777 5 ай бұрын
Johnny is so humble despite being cut off many times. He remains so gentle and firm in his stance at the same time. He was slow to speak but so full of wisdom whenever he did speak.
@jm724 5 ай бұрын
Him and the lady in yellow were faced with satanists here, not ex-Christians.
@wins._7 4 ай бұрын
For real his son is one lucky person to have a father like that
@Jrod110 4 ай бұрын
AND he’s an ex-convict which would make him the definition of a disciple
@pressia07 4 ай бұрын
And hes easy on the eyes too
@randomgirl6818 4 ай бұрын
extremely fine guy@@pressia07
@Elver_galarga01 4 ай бұрын
Johnny holding it down for the real Christians
@MrSamoannn 4 ай бұрын
For real. He held it down better than the pastor
@Jeffrey_DeBlaay...888 4 ай бұрын
define "real christians"? isn't that a matter of opinion & interpretation? how many different versions of "real christians" are there? how many denominations are there that all believe different things, yet claim they are real christians with the truth?
@jesseclinton7779 3 ай бұрын
Johnny seems like an awesome person.
@lukeo.2653 3 ай бұрын
jojo reference
@Jibbertyjabber 3 ай бұрын
Not really, Christians are most definitely called to judge. That was the whole point of the epistles. It was Paul calling out and judging people
@sonnydee5135 Ай бұрын
"28 years of the Bible." Just because you went to church with your parents for 28 years, that doesnt mesn you studied for 28 years
@ethandollarhide7943 Ай бұрын
What makes you think they weren't a devout Christian for 28 years?
@PurePiv 15 күн бұрын
Exactly
@ethandollarhide7943 15 күн бұрын
@@PurePiv Y'all are terrified of Ex-Christians being used as a way to discriminate against your agenda and it shows.
@vladcaro1651 11 күн бұрын
Exactly you can know about something without legitimately Knowing it
@vladcaro1651 11 күн бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943becoming a devout Christian causes an extreme radical change within your heart, and it's the best thing you could ever experience, and how could you turn back from the best thing ever
@JennyJ520 Ай бұрын
Well done, Johnny. The humility and patience and grace you poured into this conversation was something supernatural. Everyone wanted to talk over you, blatantly interrupted and cut you off, but your character spoke much louder than their emotional reactions.
@victorvargas9330 Ай бұрын
Asian genes.
@Wolf-ln1ml 24 күн бұрын
@@victorvargas9330 Buddhist upbringing rather...
@cjxvi 4 ай бұрын
Comments: 10% Christians vs Gays 90% Johnny is amazing!
@odogg9182 3 ай бұрын
@@adisonstone4350what comment is necessary?
@ansianeedsgrass 3 ай бұрын
@@adisonstone4350 it was just an observation?
@RedTurnedBlue 3 ай бұрын
@@adisonstone4350 😕- was yours? Even the one I'm typing now? Who cares
@loveinthematrix 3 ай бұрын
@@adisonstone4350yes it was! It’s important to call out the biases Christians have.
@carsonmyers3216 3 ай бұрын
@@loveinthematrixwhat biases?
@HouseOfHuelle 4 ай бұрын
Johnny’s the most grounded and refined representation of a what a Christian should be in my opinion. He has a testimony that’s undeniable and shows the routes humans are capable of taking with a lack of love in an abusive household. The forgiveness he shared about in his testimony reconciling with his father is tear worthy. He’s who a lot of young men need to aspire to act like! He’s at peace with himself through Christ and it shows. He’s a rare breed
@jesusisking7.7.7 4 ай бұрын
U sure?
@HouseOfHuelle 4 ай бұрын
@@jesusisking7.7.7 sure about what?
@jesusisking7.7.7 4 ай бұрын
@@HouseOfHuelle all of my links about Johnny got deleted
@HouseOfHuelle 4 ай бұрын
@@jesusisking7.7.7 like Johnny said, just judging others. Get off ur high horse bud
@Jrod110 4 ай бұрын
Exactly. Johnny is the definition of a Disciple
@jannananaa 2 ай бұрын
Johnny is so well spoken and level headed. His voice is so nice as well. So many interruptions likely due to his soft spoken nature! 😢 I go through the same thing...and when I speak at a "normal" volume, I'm "screaming" smh
@AlliFromTheValley007 Ай бұрын
As Christian’s we are called to judge. He said “do not judge by physical appearance or with hypocrisy but judge with righteous judgement”That’s why he said how you judge you will be judged. He tells us HOW to judge. We are not called to mock or condemn but to call out in love and truth as well as to warn
@Amber-sc9jp Ай бұрын
As long as you judge silently, judge me all you want. I'm not trying to have a debate or be converted. Live in your peace and I'll live in mine.
@shaktra1563 Ай бұрын
Is it in love and truth when you use litigation to politically manhandle minority groups who don’t have the numbers to protect themselves? Trust me, we all judge. Whether you are religious or not it is human nature. But when those judgements often turn into political attacks, stigma, and hate just for the simple fact mankind put words to ancient text… that is not richeous judgement but means to control others who do not share the same beliefs.
@Crazygirl95ful Ай бұрын
💯‼️
@raquelchavez6461 Ай бұрын
But isn’t that ur interpretation and aren’t you NOT supposed to interpret the Bible. Just accept it.
@miram2053 Ай бұрын
@raquelchavez6461 that's scripture... John 7:24/ 2 Timothy 3:16-17
@mysongdocumentation 5 ай бұрын
johnny is the sweetest. and the fact he could just bring up scripture in a second and give a defense for the hope that he has is so beautiful and how christians are suppose to support and defend their faith
@wheatstonebridge 5 ай бұрын
Watch his story on decafe or delafe. Whatever it is. Youll be amazed
@kieshalova5627 5 ай бұрын
Read Romans 1
@jakobwhaley5641 4 ай бұрын
@@kieshalova5627romans 1:?
@jesusisking7.7.7 4 ай бұрын
Hes dangerous
@Grg1231 4 ай бұрын
@@jesusisking7.7.7Okay well instead of commenting multiple times on the same video please provide us insight
@cnav9758 5 ай бұрын
Johnny definitely has the fruits of the spirit. Alot of Christians including myself are lacking in this area. I hope one day to be on his level 😅
@anelballesteros942 5 ай бұрын
Foreal
@skzlover1831 5 ай бұрын
You can be. I pray for you!
@Johnny-Chang 5 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏🫡
@Fort_Dale12 5 ай бұрын
Keep that your channel going bro!
@yanduro3434 5 ай бұрын
Facts bro, same here
@encl4v3 Ай бұрын
When Johnny was pinching his forearm, I feel like that was him reminding himself he is a different person. I would love to hear his full testimony.
@ArmenianBrandy 11 күн бұрын
You can watch his entire testimony on Delafe Testimonies, if I remember correctly, he had 2 parts to it. But DEFINITETLY go watch, the guy is very inspiring! Also, You'll see many others giving testimonies coming from islamic/buddhist, lgbt etc backgrounds.
@Lexiluvs962 2 ай бұрын
“Don’t apologize your human” that was one of the most beautiful things I’ve heard ever
@past_o_rama 5 ай бұрын
This is exactly the kind of conversation that I wanna hear on Christmas Eve.
@ethandollarhide7943 5 ай бұрын
Christmas Day would have been more fitting, but I'm here for this too.
@eggfriedjellyfishrcool 5 ай бұрын
this was my exact thought when i first saw this video.. "what a lovely time to upload this kind of video!
@ambraosadiaye1639 5 ай бұрын
Fr
@roxannemapache826 5 ай бұрын
Christmas is a conversation in its self
@jamesdragonforce 5 ай бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943Both days dude.
@S_H9260 5 ай бұрын
This was the most reasonable, calm Middle Ground episode i have seen. It was nice to have the participants actually talk and listen to each other instead of yell over everyone.
@JerrellConner 5 ай бұрын
Amen 🙏🏾
@t00sa 5 ай бұрын
Yea, better than the last one or what we've seen recently
@derekj7352 5 ай бұрын
The best one yet
@Random-sk6hm 5 ай бұрын
Fr, the best one in a long time
@samanthacampbell8008 5 ай бұрын
The Christian and the Atheist can coexist peacefully. The scientist and the flat-earther, not so much…
@almalujan7884 2 ай бұрын
I pray for this kind of boldness, patience, and love for others. Listening to this conversation really worked my nerves. 🙄
@JusSayShae Ай бұрын
Lol sameeee
@BellaStarz Ай бұрын
same
@haydensoloway1753 Ай бұрын
He says he can’t choose if he’s gay or not yet he chooses to still sleep around make content …etc? He acts like a big Christian but only acts on half of it. Being gay doesn’t mean you have to have sex with lots of men as well
@Chancehatestheantichrist Ай бұрын
the sex is always premarital aswell..
@ethandollarhide7943 Ай бұрын
@@ChancehatestheantichristPre-Marital Sex can be a Heterosexual Act and I thought y'all said Gay Marriage didn't actually exist 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@ethandollarhide7943 Ай бұрын
Why are you ignoring the fact that everything you just mentioned can be a Heterosexual Act?
@mibraddamibradda9474 29 күн бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943Yep a lukewarm christians we call them
@piergrace0127 14 күн бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943these people do not operate in logic
@pachiayang4428 5 ай бұрын
Johnny represents most Christians I’m friends with. I’m not Christian and it’s so nice to see his presence wasn’t overshadowed by other participants here.
@tangleduniverse5042 5 ай бұрын
I like Johnny and the pastor they both understand what Grace is about, especially Johnny
@Cozitto 4 ай бұрын
You’re not Christian *yet
@christopherpearson2116 3 ай бұрын
Yes, wait until he fulfils John 14:12... Bit rare, even.@@Cozitto
@davidayozie4098 3 ай бұрын
You can be a Christian tho.... It's awesome
@christopherpearson2116 3 ай бұрын
Also, can you - regrow limbs? And I mean, not just parts of one. Given: John 14:12.@@davidayozie4098
@daniellekerr6386 4 ай бұрын
“Don’t apologize, you’re human.” Sent me straight to tears.
@Stroodle_dus_Doodles 3 ай бұрын
Same.
@JokesterVids 3 ай бұрын
Same!
@golu9086 3 ай бұрын
Video clip minute please? At which point Is it
@Scottyggg 3 ай бұрын
@@golu9086 45:33 she apologized for stepping away and shedding a few tears because a sensitive topic
@ferwoodz 3 ай бұрын
🤍
@darnfirefingers 23 күн бұрын
OMG!!! I love how this ended!!! I believe everyone genuinely tried to understand each other! I love that tender moment of confrontation between Jake and Kytia. It was so beautiful. I think that Johnny's attitude is graceful and humble! I hope he is happy!
@chiichuuhaija1605 Ай бұрын
Johnny fr needs to make asmr or Christian asmr videos. His vibe and voice is just so nice!
@unlimited9004 2 ай бұрын
Johnny was clear and concise but it seemed apparent who wanted to listen and who wanted to argue.
@victorvargas9330 2 ай бұрын
His analogy was/is disgusting.
@CREHcr2 2 ай бұрын
Why is that? @@victorvargas9330
@MorrowMixtape 2 ай бұрын
@@victorvargas9330I believe what he was saying is that faith was the pill to the "sin virus". If you believe in the Bible then yea, it makes sense because of how Revelations is; you either get the mark or you don't. If you don't have faith, you've succumbed to the virus, but, if you do, then you're cured. I think this is where he was going but I could be wrong. Dude unfortunately never got to finish.
@abrahammora7907 2 ай бұрын
@@victorvargas9330how so
@lukethedude213 2 ай бұрын
@@victorvargas9330 disgustingly amazing
@ryley.mcginnis 5 ай бұрын
Johnnys Bible knowledge is insane. I want to be able to name scripture as accurately as him according to the situation.
@lnu2372 5 ай бұрын
Ontario Calvary Chapel. Unreal bible teaching
@endiya. 5 ай бұрын
Well that’s why Paul said to “study the word to show your self approved”
@Ls4w 5 ай бұрын
Me too
@Banban_tv 5 ай бұрын
done confuse knowledge with wisdom or understanding. all teaching and insight come from above. hopefully jonnie knows bible thumbing is a tool.
@JamalTyrone453 5 ай бұрын
he’s read the bible 22 times lol
@Bardeviousisbest 6 күн бұрын
People are talking about Johnny but Jake is clearly the most respectful.
@thebestvideocritique 6 күн бұрын
Both Jake and Johnny were great. The Christian women was borderline radical
@Sebastian-wv1yh Ай бұрын
This is the one of the calmest and nicest episode I've seen which is crazy of the ability of belief.
@simplyy_saraa 3 ай бұрын
The fact that nobody let Johnny finish his sentences is sad to me. But when everyone else spoke they were all quiet.
@gervas..4579 2 ай бұрын
The world hated christ
@Uchiha.Itachii 2 ай бұрын
yeah 🙄
@kruntmasterkrunterson 2 ай бұрын
It made me kinda mad that Nathan was just trying to take jabs at Christianity every chance he got
@victorvargas9330 2 ай бұрын
@@gervas..4579 Cool story bro
@Bdot773 2 ай бұрын
Jubilee needs a talking stick Shoutout to Johnny being patient after being rudely interrupted hundreds of times.
@magic804 4 ай бұрын
Johnny is very grounded, and when he explains things, the defensiveness of others not letting him finish was insane for me.
@joshuabarnes7552 4 ай бұрын
Well, he can't explain why homosexuality is wrong. He makes it the case that you can only choose to be gay which is not true. Girl in yellow claim that the only reason ppl are gay is because of trauma or coaxing which isn't always the case.
@Des_Christ7 4 ай бұрын
@@joshuabarnes7552he was trying to explain but they kept interrupting him halfway.
@MoneyNGames609 4 ай бұрын
@joshuabarnes7552 well it is untrue....there is no "gay gene" that people are born with. Extensive studies reveal its environmental and upbringing
@angelellis7690 4 ай бұрын
I second that they kept interrupting. They kept stopping girl in yellow as well…
@BrokeandWokepod 4 ай бұрын
No one wants to here from a person who probably robbed and murdered people so yea
@urielurquijo3209 25 күн бұрын
Not seeing any comments about Jake’s situation and my heart goes out to him. I pray for strength and resilience for him to come to repentance because others were affirming the sin. We can gracefully lead people to repentance and people are worried of the repercussions if we do that
@elilundgreen645 21 күн бұрын
Let's be honest: Jake is NOT a Christian, and it seemed like he kind of knew it himself in the video. He doesn't take his own beliefs seriously, and that was made apparent when he said he wssn't even sure of his salvation.
@alexandriachavez3050 20 күн бұрын
I had the same thought. He seems pulled in opposite directions or confused.
@sydney6818 20 күн бұрын
@@elilundgreen645so because he doesn’t take the bible as a step by step guide for living his life he’s not christian? you are literally a cult member atp
@Pwntious Ай бұрын
Hearing all the Christians say "this is my interpretation" after all of them sat down for "the Bible isn't open for interpretation" is nuts
@victorvargas9330 Ай бұрын
Wow, I never caught that! HYPOCRISY AD OMNIA!
@serendipitouscomet Ай бұрын
That’s just being purposefully obtuse. Whenever they said, “this is my interpretation,” they were referring to things not explicitly stated in the scripture like God’s intentions (which cannot be understood by humans). As for God’s instructions or standards, no one said any of them were up for interpretation. It’s so frustrating when people are purposefully dishonest in a debate to try and have a “gotcha moment.”
@waynewick5005 Ай бұрын
Actually 😂 they’re not wrong for saying that cause of different denominations lol
@miram2053 Ай бұрын
100%@@serendipitouscomet
@victorvargas9330 Ай бұрын
@@serendipitouscomet The Crusades were absolutely clear on their interpretations and God's intentions.
@moriahmacbeth7284 5 ай бұрын
Kudos to Johnny, he’s been so patient during this talk even while being interrupted several times.
@tegan1653 5 ай бұрын
imo he was the only one explaining themself in a clear way and no one would listen 😭 like i wanna hear what he had to say
@phunkyphresh3799 5 ай бұрын
@@tegan1653because he’s lying
@SINNIE75 5 ай бұрын
@@phunkyphresh3799 How?
@jisungseo1950 5 ай бұрын
When was he ever interrupted?
@sapphireraddeon3761 5 ай бұрын
when was he interrupted?
@agaikochkuch8794 5 ай бұрын
I love how calm everyone here was , i love how calm Johnny is , he don't try to push his opinion down them. He is so respectful and kind
@solarkim7618 5 ай бұрын
😊😊😊😊
@xeldee 5 ай бұрын
everyone except the satanist
@ky-bubbles 5 ай бұрын
I agree 100%. I came to say the same thing .
@lambro3001 4 ай бұрын
Because he was a Buddhist first.
@bonniem1865 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think the Hispanic guy in black was anywhere near calm or respectful
@Melissa.7 Ай бұрын
Who else came here just for Johnny? I was looking forward to him getting a chance to share the gospel, he does it so well and breaks it down to such simple terms and a calm demeanor. But I know he also knows firmly who ever has an ear to hear let them hear.
@mariselaruiz8343 Ай бұрын
Thank you! Johnny was truly inspiring. I will carry this with me. My testimony is similar to his
@sarabrothern2442 4 ай бұрын
Johnny is so humble, meek, and knowledgeable. He is a great example of a follower of Christ. You can see God’s love in him. Especially with the non-judgment towards others
@RYROSmetaldefender 4 ай бұрын
this guy is bold , hes aware of the place he has been, his visible firmness comes from Holy Spirit for sure.
@The_Scott_Bots 4 ай бұрын
He does show the true heart but that is where a lot of Christian’s get it wrong. We are actually supposed to judge and hold each other accountable. I know how he was meaning what he said but I do wish that he would have had a chance to dive in deeper or at least give the explanation of why we are to judge. Most people will get mad that I said that but we are to judge the outward appearance of what a Christian should be doing. We are not to judge someone’s heart which is God’s job. People will say that I’m a judgmental bible thumper when that is not the case. They do not understand what I am saying.
@deo1107 4 ай бұрын
@@The_Scott_Bots The bible says you are not to judge period. You can share the word and help guide them but in the end it's gonna be their choice, you can't force them
@awomanwhoprays 4 ай бұрын
Preach!
@RichardWilson02 4 ай бұрын
@@deo1107Absolutely untrue. The Bible doesn't say not to judge. It says not to judge unrighteously. We are absolutely called to judge righteously and speak truth to the world. The Bible says that we will be hated for it, but to use His Word as a sword of truth.
@E_M_O_Lizzie 2 ай бұрын
Here I am waiting to hear Johnny speak. 😭 But I also loved how he avoided cutting people. He shows so much respect, patience, and wisdom for the few moments he spoke.
@victorvargas9330 Ай бұрын
He humbled by his Asian genes.
@camillepetit9623 Ай бұрын
@@victorvargas9330That's racist x)
@allisonmiller3148 Ай бұрын
He has his testimony on Delafe ministries! I recognized him from that.
@DARKANGELCD 20 күн бұрын
Because he don't wanna turn back into that
@justdivvy8906 Ай бұрын
I loved every minute of this. Everyone was respectful and kind and raw and expressive …just beautiful❤️
@Wolf-ln1ml 24 күн бұрын
So telling someone that you know better what's in their mind is "being respectful" for you? I call that one of the single most _disrespectful_ things one can do to another.
@justdivvy8906 10 күн бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml what part was that? And was that constant in the entirety of the video?
@Wolf-ln1ml 6 күн бұрын
@@justdivvy8906 Of course it wasn't constant throughout the entire video. But you're the one who loved *_every_* minute of it, so only a single minute of being a disrespectful a**hole is sufficient. And the part I'm referring to is even the very first "summary" clip at the very beginning.
@iwanttobemore 13 күн бұрын
This was by far my favourite middle ground video ever. It was amazing to see the perspective from both sides and experience this moving conversation.
@CosmicNiffler2102 5 ай бұрын
Not a Christian, but Johnny really impressed me. I'd love to have a conversation with him. There are definitely people on both sides I was not a fan of, but i enjoyed this episode.
@stevethegent6286 5 ай бұрын
I know the lady in yellow may not of sugar-coated anything, but she has real emotion and love behind what she's saying. It's better to be blunt and frank rather than make what you're saying more palatable, and telling people just what they want to hear.
@Dangelo1000000 5 ай бұрын
Johnny is Amazing! Look at his testimonial on "Delafe Testimonials"
@SovRui 5 ай бұрын
Delafe has his testimony on their channel ❤
@user-qk8rv7qj3p 5 ай бұрын
Johnny knew what he was talking about and was just so calm and collected
@CosmicNiffler2102 5 ай бұрын
@@user-qk8rv7qj3p Yes, you could tell! He comes across as someone who practices what he preaches, and I have a lot of respect for people who actually study what they believe rather than taking what others have to say as fact. Idk about you all, but I've sat through sermons that definitely got convoluted. Not all ministers are created equal 😂
@mailekaufusi4796 5 ай бұрын
Red shirt was so humble and kind the whole way through, even from being cut-off in convos, I wanted to hear from him more ❤
@knananana 5 ай бұрын
You should listen to his testimony on delafé testimonies. Its very interesting
@ChrisMacal 5 ай бұрын
They always cut off when they hear something they don’t like
@Hhej927 5 ай бұрын
hes a youtuber also
@Ella_bellacoconut 5 ай бұрын
That’s minister Johnny Chang 😊 he’s wonderful. His KZfaq and insta are noscriptfellowship 🩷
@maria9552 5 ай бұрын
whats his yt? @@Hhej927
@serendipitouscomet Ай бұрын
Jason and Johnny were the only ones who made sense to me and weren’t driven by anger or hurt.
@BuffPomsky 2 ай бұрын
You guys HAVE TO have a separate channel to release unedited versions of the whole thing. Or even on Patreon! You can't claim to be as unbiased as possible when editing is all done. Even Johnny in an interview mentioned how many times they were cut off to provoke debate instead of listening
@modistimendoza 5 ай бұрын
Really only watched this because I recognized Johnny, it’s just nice to see actual practicing Christians that display the fruits of the spirit in these conversations.
@acer940 5 ай бұрын
For real
@n3va3h91 5 ай бұрын
me too.
@FreddyEO 5 ай бұрын
Same
@Captem_ 5 ай бұрын
@Anitak.-rj1ek Johnny Chang. had an interview w soft white underbelly
@wins._7 4 ай бұрын
@@Captem_damn that makes him more inspirational that just shows that you can turn your lives around only if you decide and want to do so
@Rightsiderspodcast 4 ай бұрын
No one had the patients to let Johnny finish you can see the spirts were working hard he’s literally given the answers
@Ya_boi365 4 ай бұрын
That’s what I’m saying brother!
@Hagar-yn8jm 4 ай бұрын
exactly. Sis gave great responses too and she dealt with a lot of combative responses.
@anon0268 4 ай бұрын
Maybe because they weren’t doctors?
@WolvesHart79 4 ай бұрын
Be honest, was it you "spirting" (sic) over dogma?
@AbegailD._1 4 ай бұрын
@@WolvesHart79I think what he or she meant is that "spirits" like demons or satan. Because the real battle is in spirit, spiritual realm and not in the physical.
@AR-sj3yr 2 ай бұрын
Part 2 with the same crew please
@mainstream623 14 күн бұрын
Ivan was trying to pick fights and would not let anyone finish their sentence
@vegasguydoingitlive3381 3 ай бұрын
Johnny understands true Christianity, it’s sad that the ex Christians had such poor examples of Christianity growing up.
@victorvargas9330 2 ай бұрын
Johnny didn't stand up for Kytia. There are those that understand, and there are those that practice. And then there are those that only take pride in their intellect, like Jason.
@godlessveteran2431 2 ай бұрын
Yes yes, nobody is a true Christian but your flavor..we know, there's no true scotsman.
@justingary5322 2 ай бұрын
@@godlessveteran2431 SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣
@camillepetit9623 Ай бұрын
@@justingary5322Don't you seem childish with all those capital letters, a mistake to "tricks" and with a cringe emoji as if you achieved something ? You just want attention, don't you ?
@onfireforJESUS75 Ай бұрын
Quite possibly some of them Roman Catholics many do not realize difference between Catholicism and Christianity
@trucks7660 2 ай бұрын
”If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?“ John 3:12 ESV
@cynicalwomannoname7844 Ай бұрын
❤
@lone8611 Ай бұрын
Truly, Truly. When he says that alone I gravitated towards that chapter so much. It's like from the past he's continuing to say "I will not lie to you: love me as I love you."
@victorvargas9330 Ай бұрын
As a matter of fact, due to a lack of fact[s]
@swiitmlk Ай бұрын
why does the quran say the same thing☠️
@victorvargas9330 Ай бұрын
@@swiitmlk Maybe the Quran copied some of the Biblical passages?
@Kalebsweeten 20 күн бұрын
Love hearing from Johnny. Extremely well spoken, intelligent, and steadfast in his faith. Awesome stuff. 🙌
@divinechord7 Ай бұрын
I really appreciated & enjoyed this episode of Middle Ground
@Princess_Casey_ 5 ай бұрын
I love Johnny , very calm , knowledgeable and collected. He wasn’t scared to support his opinions and didn’t back down about his beliefs. My favourite person on this episode. 💞
@legendofzohan491 5 ай бұрын
Me too! ❤❤❤
@Letik3x 5 ай бұрын
He does bible studies on instagram and TikTok. Noscriptfellowship, Johnny Chang
@genesisjolie5826 5 ай бұрын
@@Letik3xwhat’s his Instagram?
@AveriesMiranda 5 ай бұрын
Yesss
@adrianpapibuilder 5 ай бұрын
He actually is!! Also the girl in the yellow jersey you can see hiw much she loves the Lord and she also IS very knowledgable on scripturs.
@Kendra11wq 5 ай бұрын
Johnny is a smart Christian. He knows what he is talking about and has the word through him.
@submittofit 5 ай бұрын
He is not trying to be a compromising or palatable Christian just one that speaks truth.
@Watchingvids01 5 ай бұрын
@@submittofitagreed
@AM-pq8zt 5 ай бұрын
@@IMZ1Nbecause he obviously wasn’t always a Christian… are you a child ?
@yourcousinduchessrowena9556 5 ай бұрын
@@IMZ1Nread a book, gain some critical thinking skills
@oakworld. 5 ай бұрын
@@IMZ1N tattoos are not a sin
@Pink11Barbie Ай бұрын
Johnny ❤🙏 Thank you for your faith and knowledge
@aaroncrilly2005 5 ай бұрын
I'm an former Catholic turned atheist, I'm OK with anyone holding religious beliefs just as long as they don't force them onto others through politics
@qwertpoo1 5 ай бұрын
Atheism is a religion. Chew on that one this Christmas. Happy holidays!
@Cheliff02 5 ай бұрын
The definition of “force” varies greatly depending on the person. For some‚ expressing ourselves as religious is already too much.
@djgraffiti5627 5 ай бұрын
You mean like baptist and Gay people do to everyone?
@JakobTennisMB 5 ай бұрын
And unfortunately, many people do.
@Jen1N. 5 ай бұрын
My sentiment exactly!
@herbs7482 4 ай бұрын
Johnny looking to the camera like "get me outta here" 😂😂
@cicholasnage 19 күн бұрын
the whole discussion turned into "hot gay sex". I can see why he's annoyed lol. It's nothing about atheism vs theism.
@jaeycl Ай бұрын
Loved following Johnny from channel to channel! I was so excited to see him here! I'm Catholic but majority of the prompts here I had very different views.
@anastasiabruton9279 22 күн бұрын
I love how they had different stand points but they were still there for each other in the end
@amandasepulveda8183 4 ай бұрын
I wish they’d stop cutting off Johnny! This dude has Christ living in him!!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@2ndPigeon 4 ай бұрын
No he doesn't. Have you seen his tattoo's? That's a sin. Christ can't live in sin.
@wd21 4 ай бұрын
@@2ndPigeonTattoos are irreversible. He probably got them before being a Christian
@2ndPigeon 4 ай бұрын
@@wd21 Therefor they arnt a sin? That's not correct at all. Also you can remove tattoos.
@wd21 4 ай бұрын
@@2ndPigeon I’m not saying they aren’t a sin. I’m just giving you the reason why he got them. He probably is still learning the Bible. We all have our journeys.
@2ndPigeon 4 ай бұрын
@@wd21 Regardless, you saying that Christ is living in him is obviously not correct.
@sophiekook1699 5 ай бұрын
i got emotional about how amicable and comforting this discussion was. this was such a raw, human moment. you can tell that everyone cares about one another
@blackomega4061 5 ай бұрын
Almost cried watching it myself. It was so wholesome to see everyone really care about each other and not just want to “win” a debate.
@JerrellConner 5 ай бұрын
100%
@randommusings48 5 ай бұрын
@@blackomega4061 exactly. No one was asking questions for a gotcha moment. Very wholesome.
@Random-sk6hm 5 ай бұрын
Fr, first one I've seen in ages where it was actually a conversation and not just them trying to have a gotcha moment
@sinaes1931 5 ай бұрын
Me too! I felt so warm which just goes to show that the energy here was very sincere.
@brandeerodriguez8536 22 күн бұрын
I don’t know how quickly these are posted but I would love to have follow ups with these.
@SofiaParisi-ud1jz 11 күн бұрын
Everyone's talking about Johnny but Jake is such a sweetheart. Also everyone in this video in general seems so respectful of one another and like they actually hear each other out as see each other as humans and not just as their opinions or beliefs. I think videos and topics like these are important and these people did a great job at finding the middle ground
@TheHealingHomecook 5 ай бұрын
I appreciate that Johnny explains his points using metaphors, it really shows that he is thoughtful about the ideas he is trying to get across and he cares about other’s being able to understand it
@tracyhilt3442 5 ай бұрын
He was inspiring
@pamelamaradiaga5459 4 ай бұрын
Love how Johnny just pulls out bible verses without using the Bible🙌🏻
@Mabelzu Ай бұрын
lol
@woodsavenue 25 күн бұрын
not the ending making me cry and feel all full of joy omfg :''')
@BobTheBeird Ай бұрын
Loved Ivan's well thought out and clear arguments!
@swiitmlk Ай бұрын
same
@laguera5383 20 күн бұрын
Agree!! Not enough love for them
@lioness.goddess 14 сағат бұрын
Finally an Ivan comment. I think most people are overlooking alot of arguments made on the ex Christian side because the comments seem to be 90% Christian.
@user-gx2ki4mw2h 3 ай бұрын
2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith not by sight.
@alehlete830 3 ай бұрын
Sonur admitting rleigion is a scam and u have to have bmfaith with is noun being have faith that will win this race even though u have 1 leg just faith fakeness
@LeyyBrwn 2 ай бұрын
Amen! We can’t fathom God’s will
@cubonefan3 2 ай бұрын
No
@Dameionaruto 2 ай бұрын
Literally science does this as well 😆 ironically
@cm_dash_ 2 ай бұрын
Amen 🙏
@johnarmstrong3831 4 ай бұрын
Johnny is soooooooo respectful of everyone. Love him.
@Michael.J.Cortez6060 6 күн бұрын
"DO YOU THINK THATS HARASMENT" Im sooo deaddd this is one of my favorite videos
@user-py6bz2bf3u Ай бұрын
Special thanks to ALL who was so transparent enough to share and explain their views in a respectful way 👏🏾👍🏾
@marissas7588 5 ай бұрын
As someone who studied engineering. An engineer vs architect episode would be hilarious 🤣
@user-db2kq7vr4p 5 ай бұрын
Or engineers vs mechanics same story
@claireindigo1200 5 ай бұрын
Ohhhh I would love this
@corviuz2244 5 ай бұрын
the fighting would be lit!
@katrinaquillian1802 5 ай бұрын
😂😂
@Xyl8phony 5 ай бұрын
omg yess
@megan9289 3 ай бұрын
Jason’s little apology at the end healed something in me as an ex Christian
@petergeramin7195 3 ай бұрын
You Christian now bro?
@ChristianSannino1904 3 ай бұрын
You Christian now bro?
@darkofps 3 ай бұрын
Art thy Christian now, brethren?
@Xander24. 3 ай бұрын
Bro are you Christian again ?!😮
@Danknight-bp7wh 3 ай бұрын
How’s it going, friend Also, i don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested
@Robaholic23 Ай бұрын
Yea Johnny was on here speaking so calm and I can only imagine the amount of works hes done. I wonder if anyone has found or knows his social
@trashymajin7043 Ай бұрын
Johnny Chang-has a KZfaq channel
@Robaholic23 Ай бұрын
@@trashymajin7043 you a real one
@communityprayer1 Ай бұрын
100 💯 great message. I love it ❣️
@gingersnap99 4 ай бұрын
I would love to see this redone with straight people who are ex Christian. I feel like there’s so much more to discuss than sexuality
@sallygirl1012 4 ай бұрын
Fr
@wd21 4 ай бұрын
Exactly, the irrelevancy of their statements is ignorant and very annoying.
@Fly_Slo 4 ай бұрын
Well they feel the need to be inclusive which is fine, I also couldn't help at least notice what the non Christians were wearing, a bit strange may I say but besides from that point I really feel like that young woman just hasn't had anyone really talk to her deeply about it because she definitely believes just has a mental roadblock to it
@wd21 4 ай бұрын
@@Fly_Slo She never took the initiative to actually learn about her religion. Her parents were super religious and made her go to church but she never cared to learn about her religion.
@christopherpearson2116 3 ай бұрын
Possibly she stopped reading, at 2 Samuel 24's ending? May be hard, after that, for some. Also, she may have wondered, how Satan got his pride? Or, if it was partially, built in?@@wd21
@Julia-oe9xl 4 ай бұрын
everyone talking about Johnny, but I loved how openhearted and honest Mel was. despite being ex-atheist, now Christian myself, I could see myself in her, and relate to a lot she was saying
@Raaydon 4 ай бұрын
She was ex Christian, not ex athiest
@Julia-oe9xl 4 ай бұрын
@@Raaydon that's why i said 'despite'.
@jacoboaviles 4 ай бұрын
Hey! If you do'n't mind me asking, what made you a current christian?
@soulfullyone1233 4 ай бұрын
@@jacoboaviles I'm curious too, hope she answers...
@butterstotch3233 3 ай бұрын
I agree it’s sad seeing how some people who “cast the first stone” can turn off people from Christ
@WesleyChenette Ай бұрын
This was such a civil conversation. This was awesome.
@speedytypermananswers5551 2 ай бұрын
People often mistaken soulmate only as family members, friends, spouse, teachers/professors/mentors, partners/colleagues, people who you are with for lengthy amount of time. And I am sorry if I sound like I am forcing my opinion on you. But I think soulmate or soulmate-esque people can be someone that you only meet just for a short while that you were meant to come and help or come to help you when in the time of need. Or in those came come together to work just for a short time to help others who are in need When some of us coming here will have fear of death/afterlife/damnation/or nonexistence after death during our time here. For ourselves or loved ones. These eight had volunteered, let’s meet at this date and time and remind everyone that it’s going to be okay. In the end everything is going to be okay.
@RoboThot3000 5 ай бұрын
Ex-Christians: Can we be your gay friends? 😄 Kytia: 😅😬😅anyway
@destinyn63 5 ай бұрын
😂
@TheRoyalWe07 5 ай бұрын
love an honest queen 💙
@Victori.A1 5 ай бұрын
She's a HUGE hypocrite! People that eat shellfish can still make heaven but not gay people!?
@ambraosadiaye1639 5 ай бұрын
That was funny and I am an atheist
@JerrellConner 5 ай бұрын
Kytia is great! 💛
@abattai9192 5 ай бұрын
Johnny is definitely my best speaker out of everyone. He was so sweet and explained things so beautifully.
@lambro3001 4 ай бұрын
Because he was a Buddhist first.
@NuvoVision Күн бұрын
Johnny has my attention....wow. that's some clarity delivered. Thank you bro...learned a lot from you. Respect....on your stuff💪🙌 All did great..Respect to all :)
@thehermeticherald 6 күн бұрын
This has got to be the most edifying conversation I’ve seen on Jubilee thus far - it wasn’t extra and was respectful
@jizztopianreality 5 ай бұрын
saying people are only gay because of trauma is one of the craziest takes i've ever heard
@ethandollarhide7943 5 ай бұрын
Most people are only Christian because of Trauma.
@dookiyeh 5 ай бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943 I think most of the people i know are Christian just normally, but I get what you mean.
@ethandollarhide7943 5 ай бұрын
@@dookiyeh No such thing as a Normal Christian. Christianity isn't normal. It's extremely unnatural.
@djidjine5082 5 ай бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943False! Most people leave Christianity because of trauma
@lemon4087 5 ай бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943 only the ones on social media(and that one person i know irl) who make christianity their entire personality
@hershey307 5 ай бұрын
When Kytia started crying, I understood why. She has a huge heart for people and doesn't want this for them.
@chickapeas5646 5 ай бұрын
Only others with the Holy Spirit can understand this! The pain you feel for others.
@hershey307 5 ай бұрын
@chickapeas5646 Yes! I agree. I cried like a baby when she cried. Lord have mercy!
@joeydehaeck419 5 ай бұрын
really? she believes non believers will burn?
@Alekaiddraws1877 4 ай бұрын
She is so judgeful 😢 . Type of ppl that push others away. ..shes a modern day pharisee 22:47
@hope_mj 4 ай бұрын
Bro she is speaking the truth. She ain't bash people, it is what it is@@Alekaiddraws1877
@noamont9936 Ай бұрын
jake and mels convo was such a breath of fresh air
@cosmob.4895 5 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to see Buddhists vs Ex Buddhists interact. There is just such a different context versus Abrahamic religions and I think it would be interesting
@len-1768 5 ай бұрын
I agree that there's very few content on non-Abrahamic religions on Jubilee. What about conservative Buddhists vs liberal Buddhists as well?
@berenisemendez5223 5 ай бұрын
Yes that would great and awesome to see!!
@y-yyy 5 ай бұрын
That would be the most chill debate ever lol. Unless they include converts to Abrahamic religions
@alisha1377 5 ай бұрын
@@y-yyyI think the perception is that but there is a lot of abuse in that practice as well. 😢 Some of it is also horrifying.
@kaktu7983 5 ай бұрын
won't reallty target the audience which is mostly american where buddism is not common@@len-1768
@jillianarmstead 5 ай бұрын
I love how Johnny can cite scripture off the top of his head. Goals! This was a great discussion.
@protima1640 5 ай бұрын
@@Eli_Muwahhidhave you?
@LeooSuave 5 ай бұрын
@@Eli_Muwahhidno one cares
@anthonyl9126 5 ай бұрын
Most atheists can do the same. A lot of us studied a lot because we were frustrated we couldn't find any rationality in scripture. Learning it creates a reciprocal trend where the more we learn the less we believe.
@nic5264 5 ай бұрын
Not trying to debase this, but I think a lot of Christians can cite scripture but can't like...explain it. I'm not a Christian anymore, but there are key passages that were engrained in my brain from childhood that I was told to repeat so many times that I'll never unlearn them. 1 Peter 3:15 and John 3:16 are like the pledge of allegiance... churchfolk all know it and it's not particularly impressive that we can rote memorize and recite it.
@suckpp3858 5 ай бұрын
@@Eli_Muwahhid bc the bible is longer than the quan so of course its easier to remember.
@yoswooty2565 20 күн бұрын
Jake is not christian or religious. He just wants to continue in sin and try to go to heaven but if he doesn’t repent he will not.
@hassentrh2118 20 күн бұрын
he just wants to look holy to others
@IuseIsraelsflagtowipemybutt 18 күн бұрын
@@hassentrh2118 and what makes u say that
@thebestvideocritique 6 күн бұрын
Just like the other Christian woman here you are trying to decide things for him. Jake seriously just sounds like a chill guy trying to live his life as happy as he can.
@Fling190 5 күн бұрын
@@thebestvideocritique The thing is Jake knows LGBTQIA is a sin. Everyone keeps telling him it is a sin, but he won’t listen. So I pray that he reads verse Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Mathew 7:21
@Fling190 4 күн бұрын
And to continue to what I said, he does OF and that again is a sin in Christianity.
@ginamarshall7691 5 күн бұрын
It's not about conversion based on making people scared of sinning. It's about the Holy Spirit revealing God's gentle love for each person.
@salomonligthelm14 3 ай бұрын
Johnny embodied true humility in this - and his allegories so insightful, I just wished people listened.
@ethandollarhide7943 3 ай бұрын
Johnny didn't even want to do this video. He's admitted to it in a video on another channel.
@thekinghasnoname4858 Ай бұрын
@@ethandollarhide7943 Which video he addmited this? Would love to see it D:
@newsomedenzell92891 5 ай бұрын
Couldn’t be further from a Christian, but I respect Johnny and how genuine his story is.
@claireashley427 5 ай бұрын
Couldn't be further from a Christian? Are we talking about the same person? How so?
@ahoee 5 ай бұрын
@@claireashley427i think you misunderstood, this person is saying they themselves aren’t at all a christian, not that johnny isn’t a christian.
@claireashley427 5 ай бұрын
@@ahoee Oh, thank you! That makes way more sense! I was so confused!
@meritorioustechnate9455 5 ай бұрын
Freemasons told me this world is a lab, and it’s starting to make sense🚬💀
@nicolasgarcia9199 5 ай бұрын
@@meritorioustechnate9455 freemasons are of the devil. Eve believed the devil.
@leev3 Ай бұрын
Great convo.
@janeashby7119 20 күн бұрын
Part of me would love to be on one of these shows, as I’m always thinking of answers and explanations, but also, if I was actually there, I’d probably be too scared to speak out of fear of offending someone.
@jacoblay1935 4 ай бұрын
Johnny is a true OG. He is a real dude. He I can tell is kind of becoming irritated by how the conversation wasn't about what he signed up for. He thought this was Christians vs ex Christians it was nothing but the gay community vs christians.
@ethandollarhide7943 4 ай бұрын
One of the Ex-Christians is Heterosexual.
@dicerosautismambient4894 4 ай бұрын
I agree, I wish it would have also been more straight ex-Christians. It kind of make it seem like they may have turned ex-Christian because they are LGBTQIA
@dominicvigneri999 4 ай бұрын
I would say that the reason they are ex-Christian’s are BECAUSE they are gay. Most people who leave the church are lgbtq people. So it’s not exactly a shocker to see that all of them are gay. Like this shouldn’t be new news that the church hurts many gay people and that’s why they leave.
@Addyman.Strong 4 ай бұрын
@@dicerosautismambient4894most these people can’t even explain why they believe what the believe the Christian’s and the non Christian’s. I wish they let Johnny talk more.
@jesusisking7.7.7 4 ай бұрын
U sure ?
@a.r.i_daj 5 ай бұрын
Johnny glows with the Holy Spirit. So comforting. So calm and gentle.
@TonyFielding11 Ай бұрын
7:05 What Kelli said really just shook me to my core.
@Itsyo_gal12 Ай бұрын
Johnny just knows how to make things makes sense, props to him!
@nateforrest6403 5 ай бұрын
As someone who was raised, eastern orthodox, I would love to see a conversation Between Orthodox Christians and more modern/ progressive Christian churches. It’s crazy how different unique denominations of the same religion are from one another. I think it would make for a great discussion. See what kind of middle ground they come too.
@Brittaneyemc1997 5 ай бұрын
100% Yes
@STLwaver314 5 ай бұрын
They have an episode like that. It’s like Evangelical Christians vs Progressive Christians or something like that
@Stvrl1ghttt 5 ай бұрын
Definitely! I’d love to see like a Catholic vs Protestant Christian debate
@jeenajacob3310 5 ай бұрын
Please I would love to see this also
@NappyRootzz 5 ай бұрын
Orthodox vs Catholics.
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