Can Crimil's Dagger Compete with Igneous? (Review) | Destiny 2 The Final Shape
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Күн бұрынToday we are looking at our other reprised Iron Banner weapon, Crimil's Dagger. This Kinetic 120 RPM Hand Cannon got a stat bump as well as a perk refresh with it's return and we tested everything to see what the god roll is, and how it compares with things like Igneous.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:04 120 Comparison
1:30 Perks
1:51 Enlightened Action Breakdown
2:44 Slideways Breakdown
3:30 Air Trigger Breakdown
4:38 Moving Target Breakdown
5:31 3rd Column Recommendations
5:55 Kill Clip Breakdown
7:21 Explosive Payload Breakdown
8:22 Zen Moment Breakdown
9:00 Opening Shot Breakdown
9:32 Adagio Breakdown
10:46 Precision Instrument Breakdown
12:07 Origin Traits
12:45 God Roll Recommendations
13:41 PVE Rolls
14:32 Final Thoughts
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@youbetterdoit971 21 күн бұрын
Rock and Stone
@gimmeyourcalcium4713 21 күн бұрын
Mushroom.
@Tyco364 21 күн бұрын
By the beard!
@dembirdstho9185 21 күн бұрын
We're Rich!
@BBBey 21 күн бұрын
ROCK AND STONE
@Trying2beholy 21 күн бұрын
DID SOMEBODY SAY ROCK AND STONE??!!
@pkbenzene 21 күн бұрын
You've been struck by...a smooth Crimil.
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX 21 күн бұрын
😑
@lucasblanchard47 21 күн бұрын
Merry Crimil! 😂
@zakarysantana2635 21 күн бұрын
you tried
@savagecimmerian8442 21 күн бұрын
You got a chuckle out of me lol😂
@JoshuaDonnieBuller 21 күн бұрын
Take this like my man
@kishan20101 21 күн бұрын
Air trigger is one of the most powerful reload perks bungie has ever added. It has the highest reload scaler in the game (matching outlaw) and you dont need a kill or anything to activate it. All you need to do is bunny hop when you are about to reload and you have the fastest reload in the game. Also the negative effects of air trigger (reduce target acquisition) only applies to shots taken whilst airborne. So dont jump shoot with it and you will have 0 drawbacks.
@arianadonis4099 21 күн бұрын
Not being able to jump shot IS a drawback
@HavokGod 21 күн бұрын
@@arianadonis4099according to coolguys video, as long as you are on target it actually helps you hit the target. It’s only if you tend to fire while not on the target that it won’t help as much
@scottricks1676 21 күн бұрын
I hope this perk doesn’t get fucked with! I love it!
@mikegoldfinch 21 күн бұрын
You must be a pve player LOL…. In pvp if someone anticipates you jumping when they’ve counted how many shots you fired…. your dead and get shut down for the rest of the match
@GluttonyIsMySin 21 күн бұрын
I got outlaw and adagio... I've been doing fine with the reloads haha. But then again using Duke with outlaw and rampage kind of taught me well.
@arjunbaweja7755 21 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="275">4:35</a> Coolguy would say yes!
@ryanclune3883 21 күн бұрын
This is the way
@Silent-sm3lq 21 күн бұрын
cope
@nox7796 21 күн бұрын
It gives you maximum reload for a bunny hop if you’re talking about Air assault. I haven’t watched the video yet. I got hit with an ad.
@nox7796 21 күн бұрын
Air trigger*
@KepNaki 20 күн бұрын
I actually never knew EP did less damage now. I knew there was "something" about it from DIM, but community insight just says "PvP: don't want to talk about it" (very helpful, thanks).
@skuirrelTV 21 күн бұрын
Great review
@CowButter 21 күн бұрын
nice vid my man :}
@axe2grind244 21 күн бұрын
If not for Coolguy everyone would still hate Air Trigger lol.
@Hawkeye83627 21 күн бұрын
I've been looking forward to this
@Idkwhattoput427 21 күн бұрын
Ngl I’ve been loving my air trigger opening shot roll. Opening shit is just good for opening the gunfight, and air trigger feels great for outlaw level fast reloads after jumping. Once you get used to it, it feels amazing
@dekublack4920 21 күн бұрын
Opening shit 💀💀
@captainbuzzkill4658 20 күн бұрын
Nah, I'm not hopping around just for that
@xxdisruptorxx7077 20 күн бұрын
Nothing beats an opening shit first thing in the morning, i agree.
@Idkwhattoput427 20 күн бұрын
@@xxdisruptorxx7077 my aim in crucible is mid at best so just knowing that 85% of the time I hit the first shot is so helpful
@MrBison212 21 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="159">2:39</a> this was obviously the best time to show the player those banners Bungie. Great job 👏🏾👏🏾🙄
@soopahcaboose 21 күн бұрын
Probably should include, with 1 kinetic surge mod + adagio you will 2 tap everything, except 10+overshield so it's just void titans you'd have to check.
@Valus_Ta-aurc 21 күн бұрын
I thought surge mods don’t work in PvP?
@Tylerino 21 күн бұрын
@@Valus_Ta-aurc they do, just very minimally Almost never affecting ttk, usually just one or two reciliance forgivness
@colbybuchanan3348 21 күн бұрын
Sure but to get the surge you’d likely pick up and orb which gives you radiance right now so that should be enough on its own
@captainbuzzkill4658 20 күн бұрын
Bro, if we wanted to know what you think we'd be on your channel.
@xXtuscanator22Xx 17 күн бұрын
Adagio itself w it 2 shots
@user-wq5uc8rz7o 21 күн бұрын
I got the hammerforged rm accurized rounds moving target precision instrument and its nutty at mapping ppl
@BrandonsGamingCorner 21 күн бұрын
My Crimil's with 400 kills has Smallbore, Steady or Accu Rounds, Moving Target/Adagio. It feels so good.
@mercable7574 20 күн бұрын
Ooh I've been waiting for this one
@DM.AZTECROSS8.ON.DISCORD-q3w 20 күн бұрын
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@MegaBeanHead0 21 күн бұрын
For 6v6 Crimil’s > Igneous
@otisdriftwood7094 21 күн бұрын
If you go fluted, accurized and range mw you have 80 range, 36stab and 46 handling. I haven't got that roll yet with Slideways/PI. I've spent every engram so far farming for that roll. I did a few nice ones to drop though. Igneous with fluted, ricochet, keep away and PI is totally juiced though. So is Sturm.
@dredgen0268 21 күн бұрын
I used to love hot swapping with this and Le Monarque. It was so good lol
@kozamo9351 21 күн бұрын
Was going through my vault and found a goated igneous
@RaduStancu 20 күн бұрын
hakke origin trait also works on bleak watcher turrets and destructible suppers like well or bubble, it's a pretty good perk in pvp to destroy these things from a safe distance
@deadmed9345 21 күн бұрын
I have a hammer forged, accurized, range master work Crimils with Slideways and explosives. Having the time of my life with that roll. Also, have an enlisted action, precision roll that I need to try.
@brachyboy1874 21 күн бұрын
After trying almoat every perk combination god with all of them having hammer, accurized and arange masterwork (they just kept dropping max range for me) I muat say the one thays felt beat has been a fluted, accurised, stability masterwork with air trigger and zen moment. Its so consistent, feels amazing
@2muchspook4u90 21 күн бұрын
Thought I'd mention if you are radiant and have adagio active you can 2 tap all resil levels
@ttvunashamedalchemist7002 21 күн бұрын
My rng for banner is cracked this go around. Every natural drop of Crimil so far is max(ish) range (80 on the low, 95 on my max) with all different combos of precision, moving target, opening shot, exp rounds, outlaw, zen, and slide ways 😭 too many good rolls. Need to pick out which to enhance
@w0rtank747 21 күн бұрын
Strategist + Adagio with aeons and radiant dodge is fun!
@deadwejght5357 21 күн бұрын
I have this with moving target and precision instrument its very very good
@PixelleHearts 21 күн бұрын
Hey comments, my friend who is new to the game posed a question I actually couldn't answer (even after playing so many years since beta): Does Explosive rounds/payload project less precision damage on killing an enemy? Comparing Precision Instrument to Explosive Payload shows that Precision Instrument does more precision damage even though the buff is lower on zero stacks than the flat damage bonus Explosive Payload gives. I wanna say that the numbers don't project overkill damage for Explosive Payload when it consolidates the explosion and the impact damage, but I don't know this either. I'm gonna be honest, I don't even use Precision Instrument, so maybe this is just a thing I haven't noticed since its recent inclusion.
@bobpatel9689 21 күн бұрын
Yes explosive payload does lower crit damage as you're getting an extra instance of damage the initial hit and the explosive payload trigger
@otisdriftwood7094 21 күн бұрын
@@bobpatel9689 EP does slightly less overall damage. On Rose it's 55 critical and 23 body. So 78 and a regular 140 does 81. I'm not sure the exact numbers on 120's. It's negligible, doesn't change the ttk and it's worth it to me for the flinch. Your 3 taps don't count as precision kills in the crucible with EP though.
@FAUXCUSpd 20 күн бұрын
in pvp you do less damage over all, where as in pve it gives you a damage buff actually
@captainbuzzkill4658 20 күн бұрын
It's less damage overall but you don't choose explosive payload for damage. You chose it because the explosion has no damage falloff and for the AOE damage. Also it causes your opponent to flinch. You're trading a bit of raw damage for more utility. He goes over it around 7:22
@PixelleHearts 20 күн бұрын
@@FAUXCUSpd I know it's a 15% total increase, but for Precision Instrument at a single stack, the resulting killing blow number shows that it's way higher in PvE even though Explosive Payload at its base shows less than Precision instrument. That's where my friend was confused because in PvP it makes sense, but for PvE, it consolidates both the body shot and explosive damage into single damage number on hitting a presision hit, which would in theory mean that even if the explosive part of the damage was tacked on because it is no longer calculating body shot damage, it should still edge out Precision Instrument's 4% by like a few hundreds of points of damage. This only appears to happen on the killing blow however, which is why it bothered him. Stacking the damage on Precision Instrument, then dropping back to zero only to get a minor kill with no stacks suddenly doing more damage than a single shot of Explosive Payload confused both of us. Like I said, I am unfamiliar with the how the damage is actually projected not the buff itself, which is weird, Idk why the resulting killing blow projection would be different... unless the direct hit kills before the explosive gets taken into effect, which at that point it wouldn't because the target is already dead.
@haydenbell1758 21 күн бұрын
Plus cool guy made a cooo video including air trigger. He was hitting some nice in air shots
@diontes1480 21 күн бұрын
Slideways with Zen Moment really makes it feel like a Legendary Sturm. Pair it with Ophidians on Prismatic, I am on POINT. It feels almost good as my Igneous with 100 Range and 65 Stability, but lets me use Duality
@colinbinette 21 күн бұрын
Honestly I love using my crimils with enlightened + adagio. Getting the 2 taps feels amazing when it happens but not a deal breaker when I come into contact with a tier 10 resil player. Only stings a little bit when they survive the 2 tap with 1 hp when it happens.
@yangxb1498 21 күн бұрын
i miss when you tested these out in pvp matches
@glitchmob1497 21 күн бұрын
don't care about how much of my screen it takes up, WE FINALLY HAVE A GOOD HAKKE HAND CANNON (that isn't pure poetry)
@jesseb.8591 21 күн бұрын
I miss the one tap duke
@IotaOmicron825 20 күн бұрын
I still break out my old one with drop mag occasionally. I love this gun.
@DM.AZTECROSS8.ON.DISCORD-q3w 20 күн бұрын
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@neophantom3206 21 күн бұрын
Haven't played Destiny 2 in a long time, but I do remember having a old Crimil with Rampage and Kill Clip... Would it 2-tap in pvp??
@Peppy869 21 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="0">00:00</a> I like girthy cannons that spit. It’s not too thick either. Too much thickness is a detriment, especially aggressive frames.
@sabergenesis 21 күн бұрын
Lmao
@Jblack_100 20 күн бұрын
Hey Cross ik this is a crimils vid but if you have shoulder charge with spirit of contact you can one shot guardians again with the melee
@teslamodhammer 21 күн бұрын
I’ve just been using my old max range duke with 89 range and snipin folks with rampage
@KingVirmire 21 күн бұрын
I hate that they increased the health on guardians. Miss the consistent 2 taps on Adagio
@nok_l_head9320 21 күн бұрын
Instantly replaced my top slot when I want to use beloved or matador... still use hawkmoon for slow matches though
@DarkPyroZero 20 күн бұрын
I enjoy using Explosive Payload because of how much flinch that it causes, it's saved me in gun fights and duels that I'd likely lose without the flinch
@DM.AZTECROSS8.ON.DISCORD-q3w 20 күн бұрын
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@daneger3210 21 күн бұрын
Speaking of storm could use a lil juice maybe precision instrument?
@thisone98 21 күн бұрын
I got a max range roll (Full bore, accurized, range MW) It's stupid how far it hits, but i got rid of it because it's bad to handle. Best roll would be slideways kill clip for some 6v6, slideways zen moment for trials.
@scottricks1676 21 күн бұрын
Still waiting for the 120 with cascade point + offhand strike. Mini last worddd
@JesusShuttlesworth-34 19 күн бұрын
Got the 5out5 just sitting in my vault collecting dust I hate hand cannons lol 😂
@AshleyRobinson-os1xb 20 күн бұрын
My o.g, triple tap roll goes hard.
@DuskHound 20 күн бұрын
Adagio leave folks at t10 with 1hp, I've found more time than not it still two taps due to the stunning their toe at some point. Adagio is criminally underrated imo. My current roll I'm seeking is enlighten Adagio, in the meantime I have moving target Adagio and it slaps, just play peaks and enjoy popping heads. 😎
@anotherkenlon 21 күн бұрын
Air Trigger + Adagio is insanely good.
@wazsan 21 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="660">11:00</a> not Cross’s fault but that right there is what’s cancer currently.
@pemker 20 күн бұрын
But the good thing is that the virus is easy to kill, bc they have to run really low res.
@wazsan 20 күн бұрын
@@pemker sure I guess.. the virus is still deadly
@davidepulinas1640 21 күн бұрын
Well, think i will have to bump up my res and maybe bring it above 3 (i usually play wormhusk hunter, this means that i have to care a lot about mobility and i'd rather sacrifice resilience over recovery, but seems like i will have to find a balance between the two lol)
@sirgideonofnir6840 21 күн бұрын
Strum buff when?
@gen8901 21 күн бұрын
Praying for Something New(Old) to compete with Igneous Hammer.
@haydenbell1758 21 күн бұрын
May size went from 7-8. I only know cuz I pulled out my old crimils to compare. Did bungie lie or was this a bug?
@Thomaskeys-1987 21 күн бұрын
I like this gun
@patabua 20 күн бұрын
yo Cross can you check out the Black Scorpion-4SR from forsaken
@Sir_Eye_Dough 21 күн бұрын
We even using or testing perks or we just going with defaults from the past? Like yep. Haven’t tried anything. But the past says to use this perk so it’s still it.
@samgreen8582 21 күн бұрын
I can't use thing outside of thirty meters after having several well rolled igneous, prolly just need to get used to it. But I deleted most of em. Lol I guess there still time
@jaernem 21 күн бұрын
I didn't get an igneous, so having a good Crimils feels really good to me
@jimda_racer7062 20 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="190">3:10</a> bro was sent to oblivion
@westayers5174 21 күн бұрын
What’s your build???
@Bigdogtotoro87 20 күн бұрын
For 120 handcannon in pve, I’d go round Robbin over crumbles dagger. It’s got better choices, mainly being that of hatchling, and round Robbin is craftable.
@kozamo9351 21 күн бұрын
I wish acd would get a new ornament.
@C_R105 20 күн бұрын
Dude. Air a trigger is the absolute best thing since sliced bread.
@cerebralassassin2185 21 күн бұрын
I love Crimil's Dagger and it was my favorite 120 for a very long time but Igneous overall is just better imo. It just feels smoother and stickier
@brillmongo 21 күн бұрын
I have an igneous with heal clip / precision instrument is that a good pvp roll?
@Lou-rs9fg 20 күн бұрын
Precision is the one you want but not heal clip
@lunarramstore7588 20 күн бұрын
PSA!!!!!!!!!!!! Cross you are wrong, Hakke Breach Armaments also lets you deal increased damage to ALL CONSTRUCTS. Constructs include titan barricades yes, but also Bleak Watcher turrets AND the ever present now HEALING TURRETS. Hakke Breach Armaments might be the more meta pick now for dealing with Speaker's Sight warlocks
@who_be_dis8356 21 күн бұрын
I would say I love this thing, but 120s have felt off since the Into the Light precision changes. They don't 2 crit 1 body barely anyone now, and you can't get a 2 rap unless you have adagio.
@sagethefish2263 20 күн бұрын
Outlaw/kill clip, be my blade once more
@kristopherkoperski7103 21 күн бұрын
Air trigger and adagio cooks, way better than outlaw requiring a kill, I can get the same reload by just jumping, and It can 2 tap. Dont sleep on that roll if you get it
@hullyk2039 20 күн бұрын
Curious to see moving target with zenmoment on high range.
@rob3497 19 күн бұрын
I have the roll… feels pretty good i think the issue is how slow you fire so you really can only get a total of 4 stacks of zen moment before the fight ends or the timer resets. Its not like a pulse or auto where you notice the stacks max out after the first burst
@hullyk2039 19 күн бұрын
@rob3497 ok so still not great. So far 60 range and max handling and stability then gives a good 3 tap and feels decent but not super great.
@cerberus1166 18 күн бұрын
i feel like youve been slacking so heres a roll for you. full bore accurized slideways zen moment, range masterwork. 95 range like igneous, 50 stability on a slide, zen moment added procd to x2 from one shot
@townsennelson2043 21 күн бұрын
I want to like it… I love the way it looks, but I just don’t like the feel
@TheShelton78 17 күн бұрын
Had all the god rolls of this gun, I kept one that I really like hammerforged accurized strategist precision instrument and stab MW.. Strategist is SO underrated its crazy, I use it on my hunter with spirit of the coyote and its just like my dodge has no cooldown, its just always available.. im spamming clones all over the place.. I wasnt looking at strategist at first but in the end its the most impactful perk on my gameplay, the other perks are good ofc but all a bit overrated imo
@jimmcmeen761 21 күн бұрын
It’s funny how the editor is trying to hide that except for the info clip Cross is on Hunter the whole video… Putting perks over the class item icons didn’t get me! Meta slave!
@Lueibarkall 21 күн бұрын
Brought to you by Hakke.
@A_LOST_GOD 21 күн бұрын
Tf happened to steady hand? I always clap shit when I use it
@hrntt2184 16 күн бұрын
i spent over 100 engrams and never got slideways/precision instrument
@Zack.G23 19 күн бұрын
Igneous is better imo. I use rapid hit/eos with 90 range, 52 stability, 40 handling base. My best crimils rolls are nowhere close, my highest range crimils is like 85 but it has literally 20 handling/stability. Having 90 range with perks that pretty much max out all other stats every single gun fight is just unbeatable.
@thesmallcheval 21 күн бұрын
Air Trigger + Adagio. I will DIE on this hill.
@tonyl9636 20 күн бұрын
Adagio is legit once you get used to it. I think the ease of use and just hitting shots goes to Iggy right? The handling on some rolls of Crimil can be Criminal. I feel like, if you're a better player, crimil might rival iggy for lethality for anyone who can skill their way past the Slight disadvantage of its stats.
@legitvideos88 21 күн бұрын
Can 120s with kill clip 2 tap?
@josephparrino7563 20 күн бұрын
Only if resilience is below 5
@legitvideos88 19 күн бұрын
@@josephparrino7563 ah dang
@BlackSkullArmor 14 күн бұрын
Welp it was fun Bois but Air Trigger nerf should be expected soon now
@BionicThiago123 21 күн бұрын
People getting hyped about Air Trigger forget Field Prep exists in this game
@savagecimmerian8442 21 күн бұрын
That’s because field prep doesn’t exist on this season’s Crimil’s Dagger.
@motechamp 21 күн бұрын
I'm gonna be real, as much as I love 120s, Crimil's just feels really sluggish and slow, I guess, compared to Igneous; dunno if it's the bigger model or what, but I think I still prefer Rapid Hit/Precision Instrument on the Hammer
@psquaredddd 21 күн бұрын
They should have brought back steady hand instead 😩
@seanhight6948 21 күн бұрын
I'll stick with my Rose great roll.
@noobjnh 20 күн бұрын
Air Trigger is literally best in slot. It is not even close.
@josephparrino7563 20 күн бұрын
Moving target is so nice but the feel of air trigger is unmatched
@balmaino 19 күн бұрын
Targeted Redaction clears
@Dynasty1818 20 күн бұрын
A close aternative that is more "accessible" than an Igneous, but it's not better.
@blaketaylor2441 21 күн бұрын
Honestly not even fair comparing other 120s to igneous lol that thing is such an outliar with its stats
@freakindarko 21 күн бұрын
Short answer, in 3v3, no, it doesnt compete. In 6v6, its pretty good.
@crimsonboop902 20 күн бұрын
This is NOT how I wanted to find out Explosive Payload got nerfed. Say it ain't so. Or if Timed Payload fairs any better
@sreeru 21 күн бұрын
This thing two taps on a daily basis
@FlawlessNSP 21 күн бұрын
steady hand should have been a no brainer
@aspwneb 21 күн бұрын
W
@n4n196 20 күн бұрын
The crimils dagger does compete with ignorant hammer(not a typo.) its stiil worse than ignorant hammer. But not by a large margin. But with the og igneous hammer... No, not even close. That thing makes the new one look kinda bad
@TristanGarcia-is1wo 21 күн бұрын
I just never got a good role when the dam thing
@ghosthouse6672 21 күн бұрын
All I know is that it’s a damn good hand canon if you can’t get igneous
@OthersideSparrow 20 күн бұрын
Short answer? It cannot. No 120 can ever compete, no matter the perk combos. Thats just how much of a stat monster Igneous is. You have to nerf its stat or something for 120s to compete. And then they had to give Igneous Precision Instrument, its Joever
@mojomanmurph1925 20 күн бұрын
If Iron Banner weapons were so good, why isn't everyone using them. Why aren't they META?
@spy-v-spy1848 21 күн бұрын
Handcannons have been so awful since I came back heard they were worse, but pretty much all hand cannons feel awful as returning player. Bloom is so bad on handcannons. Almost as bad as handling is on pulse rifles.
@imwarningyou2405 21 күн бұрын
i’ve been doing pretty good with handcannons
@spy-v-spy1848 21 күн бұрын
@@imwarningyou2405 I use to main handcannons, just started playing again a few months back, of course 2018 was the last time I played & I am on PS4 pro so there might be a bit of framerate disparity on my part with all crossplay.
@josephparrino7563 20 күн бұрын
140 hc are still the best, just have to find a roll that suits you I got better devils with moving target and elemental cap on arc, feels like I can't miss
@mikekoski7050 21 күн бұрын
People need to learn math idk why you would think 3tap at 1 second going to a two tap makes it .5
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