Cast your vote! Guardians or Space Marines?

The problem with this comparison is that if you told your average guardian that they had to a farm space marines for a god roll bolter, they would hunt them down to extinction like we did with the ahamkara.

Who can win?? Genetically altered super soldiers so beyond human form that they’re considered a different species, awed by the citizens as the angels of the emperor and bowed before by even the highest ranking mortals, armed with the imperiums finest and greats weapons and armor. -a god who blows himself up with a rocket launcher made of an even more powerful Eldritch God because he and his two god friends think it’s funny

Space marine: **Uses chain sword to cut a Guardian in half** the Titan, who stood right back up: **equips Lament** “MINES BIGGER!”

"They kill gods for fun, and turn them into weapons for a meme. The only reason I didn't bring them here, is because they began casually wielding the Darkness to clap ass in new ways"

- -Could the vanguard survive in 40k- - Could the chaos gods survive being raided by guardians?

I imagine a guardian fighting a space marine thinking "wow this colossus is really fast huh"

I think one bit that you missed is that the 6-8 minute cooldown for supers is non-canon. There are examples in game (cutscenes) of ikora teleporting in, chucking a nova bomb, then using chaos reach within 15 seconds of each other. -The guardian- is a literal infinite well of light that's held back by game design and balance.

The big issue here is that Destiny's gameplay doesn't show off how insane they are. In lore, they can survive being in the corona of the sun for several seconds (which is hotter then the surface of the sun). They shoot blackholes at each other through their guns and powers, and survive. There are Guardians with enough force to push mountains with their fists. The hypothetical battle between the Guardian and Ikora Ray would destroy the surface of a planet. The Guardians powers are called 'Paracasual' and directly contradict causality. They had a god of time try to rip them apart in the time stream, and they shattered through. Emperor Calus has psychic powers that can rend dozens of feet thick concrete and break into people's minds- and the Guardians ignored it and turned that power against him. Not to mention the enemies of Destiny are scarier. Vex are living cognitive hazards that use Dyson spheres to feed dying stars fuel to harvest heavy metals. They can travel between timelines and dimensions. They built a vault to rewrite all of reality to make themselves an axiom. The Hive use a type of magic that makes you stronger by killing. Crota cracks the moon with every swing of his sword, and the Guardian killed him. Oryx corrupts your very soul, and remakes it in darkness. The Deathsingers can declare you die, and you do. They are direct servants of the Witness, empowered by a power that shapes reality. Yet Guardians killed and overcame all of them. The only enemy that is directly stated to have surpassed the Guardians was Rhulk- cause he LET us fight him. And his overconfidence meant we could kill him. Also- Guardians even without their light are still insanely powerful. Someone else did the math, so apologies if I get it wrong. But- the math says the Guardian fell about 2761 meters when Ghaul kicked them off his ship in the red war. The guardian then GOT UP and was limping, but able to walk. Then healed themselves without any powers and were able to fight off enemies in the wilds.

Lore entry of the Graviton Lance I don't think anything else needs to be said Think of space-time as a tapestry on a loom. This weapon is the needle. "So wait, that thing you found does… what?" "It fires black holes." "No it doesn't." "Oh yeah. It does. Actual, tiny, bullet-sized black holes." "Did you tell the others?" "Only that I found some weird gun in some overgrown tunnel back on Old Chicago. And that my Ghost was all, "THIS is why we were led here…'" "Yours talks that way too?" "What do you think?" "OK, OK, but the gun-are you going to tell them?" "Yeah, definitely." "When?" "Crucible." "Oh no." "Oh, yes."

"losing a hand is a flesh wound" for the space marines. "losing ones life is a flesh wound" for the guardians lol

Saint 14 is the Boogey man for two whole species. The fallen tell ghost stories about him to their young and the vex literally had to trap him in time until his light ran out to kill him and he didn’t die until his grave could be laid on a mountain of their corpses.

Imagine a marine finally taking a titan down just to turn around and the titan sits up like the undertaker.

Take all that power scaling you just mentioned, and remember that Crota slew 1,000 Guardians in the Great Disaster. Then we came back, killed him, his sisters, his father Oryx, his aunt Savathun, and his other aunt Xivu Arath is next on the chopping block. In fact, we beat Oryx so bad he gave us instructions on how to turn into a gun so he could be wielded by the one whose power was greater than his, and thereby understand that power.

Saint-14 exists, he farmed a hive god.

Everyone gangsta till guardians start turning Librarians into weapons.

Tf a space marine doing against my nova bomb 💀

When the Chaos Gods find out that Guardians can turn gods into guns they will shit themselves

Space Marines running 75mph watching as a I shatter Skate over there heads. (my momentum only stops when I become paste against a brick wall)

We also must remember that the powers that guardians wield (The light and the darkness) are the powers of Paracausality aka a term used to refer to forces, beings and abilities that defy the conventional laws of physics. The abilities the Guardians use are not restricted to the laws of reality. Solar as said in the video can contain the full power of a star to either damage or to heal, guardians can manifest this as the legendary golden gun, or as massive fire tornadoes, hammers forged of pure solar energy, or the mighty Well of Radiance, a blade of solar light plunged into the ground that lets off not just massive healing energy to allies, but infusing their weapons with light to empower them even further than normal. Void is associated with gravity and the distortion of spacetime, and allows its wielders to generate black holes, gravity waves and other spacetime-warping effects not to mention specializing in generating extra shields, suppressing energy (maybe psyker idk to be honest) and turning users and their allies invisible Arc in game is mentioned to be "the element of motion and conduction, and is created when the electromagnetic forces of our universe struggle to achieve balance." Arc users have been known to super charge themselves to move at very high speeds and conduct arcs of Arc energy throughout enemy forces Stasis is stated to be related to cold and the concept of the reduction of entropy, and more precisely to the ending of movement on a macroscopic and atomic level; slowing, detaining, and then shattering, A proficient user of Stasis in the world of Destiny stated when she "freezes" something in stasis that creature or object is essentially frozen in time, they are not aware of anything that happens when they are frozen by stasis. Stasis wielders can create storms of stasis that will slow and eventually freeze any caught in it, create barriers of stasis crystals or use those same crystals to encase an enemy, or create sentient turrets placed around the battlefield to pepper enemy and crowd control Strand is stated to allow one to manipulate the Weave, a paracausal matrix of psychic energy that connects all things and minds in the universe, while this power is new it means we don't have any large power feats to pull from, but users of it can wrap themselves in strand weaves to form protective armor, they can generate threadlings (basically tracking worms made of strand), they can use strand to tie up their opponents and suspend them in the air, create grappling hooks to grant increased movement. Let it be known in Lore Guardians have been shown to wield all these powers at once though some users do specialize in their mastery of just 1

The guardian pulling out a broken ammit snuggled in by the drifter:

The Space Marines after I pull out my real build (the previous 50 sidearm kills were just for a bounty): 😨

"8 minute cool down supers" meanwhile the bubble titans, headshot golden guns, and teather hunters are making enough orbs of light to revive the traveler 3 times over.

Ikora Rey can blink a distance of 2 miles. Saint 14 is literally a demon in multiple alien cultures. Ana Bray once fired a golden gun shot so powerful that the glow could be seen centuries later. The average guardian is a walking Chuck Norris joke. Sorry bro, the Imperium of Man is finished. Edit: forgot to mention that Ahamkara just came back from extinction in the game's story so any guardian could theoretically just wish for the Imperium to be destroyed and have that happen instantly.

"Losing a hand is considered a fleshwound." Meanwhile, when talking to Shaxx: "DYING IS AN ESSENTIAL ELEMENT OF THE CRUCIBLE! GET BACK IN THERE!"

All you need for the guardians to wreck 40k universe is by telling them " New guns and new exotic there "

I'm having much more fun imagining a fireteam of Chaos Prismatic Guardians absolutely ruining entire planets.

1M guardians Vs. 1M astartes This is LITERALLY Hydrogen Bomb Vs. Coughing Baby

We killed gods in their own damn home. Developed dark powers Cursed weapons and elemental damage weapons Erie became a hive god Traveler beam You’re damn lucky we lost Rasputin Being flung through space and time portals and rips in reality Shaxx Saint-14 Ikora pissed off Killed multiple dragons to extinction Fought back and reclaimed the light after it was ripped from us A WARLOCK WITH A DAMN WELL KEEPS US ALIVE AS LONG AS NEEDED SUSPENSION FREEZE Titian ELECTRIC MISSLE MODE

space marine: prepare to die guardian: +radiant +reconstruction +bait and switch +armor charge +solar weapon boost +4 +super ready a tether, well of radiance, and a celestial night hawk

"hopefully equal distribution of hunters, warlocks and titans. Meanwhile, me, only warlock with 5 hunters

Before I watch the video: I’m gonna say guardians by quite a lot (if we’re going by lore not game) Guardian armor is quite ridiculous, I’m gonna take an excerpt I found about Titan armor- Titan armor is made of layers of ceramic alloy, plasteel, and spinmetal (which is made of "catenated-virtual-particle long-range spin-coupled nucleon material"), and is reinforced with ribs of relic iron (which is an extraordinarily dense material formed as a result of the Traveler's terraforming during the Golden Age). It also includes inertial sinks (which absorb shock) and field drivers (which enhance the wearer's strength). Don’t forget that the light bends reality to their will, causing bullets that hit them to have a retroactive nuh-uh moment and undo that entire hit. Different light powers get weird two- take void: making quantum black holes and messing with matter with your fingertips… and most of their guns are absolutely broken, with their bog-standard assault rifles firing straight up (almost) .50 cal telegraphic (also made from spinmetal and relic iron) rounds with magazines of 32 because they use programmable matter… most of their exotics are even crazier, take the graviton lance, a gun that fires bullet-sized black holes at relativistic speeds. I am the biggest 40k meat rider but even then the guardians are basically invincible lore wise.

Zavala: "Guardian, you have a difficult fight ahead of you..." My guardian: "... Ok... so?" Zavala: "Uh, um... W-whether we wanted it or not we're at war with the Empire of Man." My guardian: "Finally, a new enemy type!" Zavala: "They're as big as the Cabal and have about the same weapons, ranking structure, and abilities as them." My guardian: "Fuck you, I'm going back to farming Rhulk" Zavala: "But! But, They have a god that threatens the trave-" My guardian: "New gun?" Zavala: "I said a God..." My guardian: "Same thing, call my Day-1 raid team."

Titan: *picks up bullter* "yeesh this things got some heft" Marine: NO LITTLE CRAYON EATER DO NOT FIRE THAT!!!! IT WILL DESTROY EVERY BONE IN YOUR BODY!!! Titan: *full auto* *mag is empty* "Eh not the roll I wanted"

Didn't gaurdians hunt a race of planet sized interdeminsional wish granting dragons to extinction ........(edit) Yes, planet size is correct ahamkara shape-shift they look like dragons cause they like it riven is a small ahamkara her power came from being taken

"It'd still be interesting to see a guardian have a bolt rifle, too." See: Grand Overture. Not exactly the same, but it's really the closest thing we have.

The Marines fight to win, The Guardians fight to Save Humanity Also as shown with Caydes death, killing Guardians just makes the remaining ones REALLY MAD

You had me at "they turn gods into guns" for the gaurdians

The literal war or to say it better..the "hunt" against the Ahmkara can make you realize how guardians can adapt to anything

Short answer, yes. Long answer: in the lore a Striker Titan’s punch has the same kinetic energy as a nuke, a basic Voidwalker Warlock can summon a black hole like it’s nothing, and a basic Gunslinger Hunter can summon pistols made of actual star fire. Don’t get me wrong, I love warhammer and space marines, but guardians consistently kill beings that defy logic and power as a concept. Oryx had the ability to manipulate souls and control entire races at a whim because he was the strongest by his own definition, and due to that he was. Nezarec is quite literally the God of Pain. Savathûn can warp reality at will like it’s nothing. Crota is the most powerful son of Oryx, capable of taking in entire legions. And the guardians clapped ALL of them. Hell, there’s a lore book where Saint-14, a Sentinel Titan, killed Savathûn, the Hive Goddess of Trickery, a minimum of 10 times by himself. I say minimum because that’s the amount confirmed. After those initial ten the book says “after a long time had passed, Saint was done.” Dude found a God, killed her a minimum of ten times, then said “Ok you have my permission to leave.” The Ahamkhara are so powerful they can grant wishes and persist after death. And guardians kill and WEAR THEM. One of my Warlock builds literally has me wearing an ahamkhara’s spine as GLOVES. Those are frickin DRAGONS. Again, don’t get me wrong, space marines are tough bastards. I’ve been playing warhammer for years, and I’m a massive fan of the lore. But if you drop an unsupervised raid team into the warhammer universe, that tyranid threat that no one can stop? Yeah that’ll be gone in three days, tops. They’ll hear “incredible odds, impossible obstacles” and they’ll just think, “Oh so we’re just doing Kings Fall again?” Space marines are cool, and space marines are strong, but they can’t even hold a candle to guardians.

In the end, i still think the guardians would take the win. In lore, the guardians are ridiculously overpowered. In lore the enemies they fight are ridiculously over power. The only reason we beat Rhulk was because he didnt take it seriously until it was to late. The guardians are out there ending bloodlines and turning them into guns. And then there are all those "solo flawless" guardians out there. Its a bit stacked on the guardian side. Plus we got Shaxx. Nothing can stop that glorious man.

Something to note is that guardians aren't super soldiers technically, by all means they are gods. And not in the same aspect as primarchs are seen as the sons of God in 40k, no they are all literal walking gods. My favorite lore moment is still that time where a titan punched a mountain and made it move.

The golden gun hunter watching the army aproaching him: "Oh i'm gonna get SO many resets"

Space Marines: We come 1 Million strong The unphased emoting guardians: we have an Esoterickk

Eris Morn became a god, took immortality away from another god, gave up the godhood and told that other god that she’s gonna beat her ass when she see’s her. Guardians win on flex alone.

A month old but, something that was overlooked was just how powerful the taken and vex are, both of which were done dirty in Lore. The vex have complete control over time and and reality, often rewriting the very rules of reality (in a localized instance) to suit their needs. This is only beaten by Guardians and powerful Hive being paracausal and thus unable to be properly simulated against. The taken work in a similar manner, stealing anyone and bringing them to a pocket dimension where they are corrupted, either through breaking their will or physically and mentally changing them to suit the needs of the taken. Time flows differently within that dimension as well, where someone could be taken and spit back out seconds later, only for them to have spent millenia within the taken realm. Also, guardians only have cooldowns on their supers for game balance reasons, as there are several lore entries of guardians casting multiple and even different supers back to back repeatedly. Another fact that may or may not be canon anymore is that it is heavily implied that supers are often toned down versions of their true potential as things like Nova Bombs can easily destroy a planet if given enough power and the individual guardian willed it. Point being Destiny has some absolutely wacko shit happening, even by 40K standards. 40K has numbers and some genuinely impressive feats, but while 40k would put up a good fight, I think unless the Warp or any other faction has counters to paracausal weapons, powers and characters. Destiny as a universe wins against 40k. Though it would be fun to have a 40K raid boss vs some named space marines or a chapter master.

Another thing about Guardians is the "8 minutes for super cooldown". That's simply a gameplay mechanic. Well experienced and trained Guardians can cast their supers as they need. Ikora has switched subclasses mid-fight too. And now Guardians are acquiring the ability to kitbash their elements together with Prismatic? haha....lol.

Guardians: Zavalr, why are we kill Space Marines? Zavalr: *Holds out a shiny loot table* Guardians: Hold my beer

On the topic of ghosts dont forget theres lore stating a ghost once left his guardian dead long enough to lull their enemies into a false sense of security then materialized to hack their own turrents and turn them on themselves. One of my fav pieces of lore.

1 Million Space Marines: You can't beat us. me and 50% of the player base who play casually: I know... But they can. The other 50% of players who only do Solo Flawless grandmaster Nightfall, Trials of Osiris, and legends Onslaught: Hi there :)

Guardians can fight like hell but only after clearing out their postmaster

A million tightly packed guardsmen versus one shot from a Graviton Lance…

"AsTaRtEs aRe MoRe dEtErMinEd aNd PErsIstEnt" yeah tell that to my titan that spent 2 days straight farming Caretaker for cataclysm, and not a single one dropping

Tbh, if you’d include the gods a Guardian has killed, Aetheon, Crota, Oryx, SIVA, Ghaul, Calus, Pantheon, Xol, Nokris, the Scorn Barons, Riven of a Thousand Voices, Ghalran, Sanctified Mind, Taniks (THE REVIVING RAT), Savathûn, Rhulk, Nezerec and (soon) the Witness, things would get pretty unfair (edit) holy shit, 214 likes? This.. might be my must liked comment ever, thank you lot really ^^

Btw, Lore line from Osiris A level 1 guardian is on the same level as a max level guardian. It's all about knowledge and skill.

The Guardians win against all chapters. The Titan Behemoth super is said to have enough force to shatter a planet. The Hunter tether literally is a black hole. The Warlock Kamehameha is literally lightning of the universe. And the strand is literally the connections of everything to exist and live and the Guardians casually weild it like a game controller.

There’s a lore tab that says there are still huge pools of Light from where Ana Bray’s Golden Gun shots landed during the battle of the Twilight Gap, which happened hundreds (if not thousands) of years before the start of the first game.

A fireteam of gaurdians equipped with the rat king sneaking around and trolling the space marines sounds like a fun time XD

Titans can move mountains, beat 800 pound space rhinoes to death with a few punches, have superhuman reflexes, and can manipulate probabiliy to make bullets they fire hit harder, and bullets that hit them not exist. That is all before supers. I am a fan of the lore of both 40k and Destiny, but a titan would wreak a space marine, hell even multiple, with some effort.

"Space marines take the point for speed" Some guardians, mainly arc weilders, can literally move at the speed of light

Guardians got that Anime protagonist power

Tell them the Emperor gives them the most OP gun in the game and they will raze.

I could see every Titan player having the time of their lives fighting Khorne and his demons *Cackles in Titan main*

If 3 guardians could give a squad 0f 10 a run for their money 1,000,000 vs 1,000,000 would be a slaughter

Short answer: yes Long answer: Every guardian is a powerful psyker equivalent with "lol no" in their back pocket in case they die. Tell the guardians that eris can make a gun from enough space marine souls and theyll wipe out entire chapters in squads of 4 one at a time, and theyll do it using guns made from actual gods

Imperium: *Ships that could destroy solar systems* Traveler: That's cute

Something to keep in mind is ghosts make new guardians via the dead, and that ain’t picky with the species (hive for example) so theoretically, a marine could become a guardian and fight for the light as 95% of guardians have their memory wiped upon becoming one. Edit: some things I was corrected on/ things suggested. 1. Guardians do not keep their memory at all, some of them just find out who they were. Notable examples include, Anna Bray and Savathun. 2. We can go further with the corpses. Primarchs are 1000% available, Malcadore, Big E if he actually dies, custodians, xenos like the Eldar, Orks, and so many more I’m probably forgetting right now. It can get so bad that marines might have to do another go around to get the bodies and burn them. Don’t forget hive cities becoming a threat and a guardian breeding ground.

There's a lore tab where Nimbus (a 8 feet tall super intelligent and super advanced cyborg made by nanites 100x more powerful than SIVA; which was created by Rasputin and wiped out the Iron Lords, was impressed at Sloanes ability to casually wear golden age titan pacifca armor that she had to casually tear out of her body to take off which weighted hundreds of tons. She also was underwater in the METHANE seas of titan with said suit and ran around killing a bunch of hive.

Guardians: *kill almost all of the Imperium in three hours* The Imperium: “How..? That’s… not fair.. you will die before the Emperor for this”! Guardians: “Emperor? We already killed one. Does he have good loot? Can we kill him”?

Also according to lore guardians can chain supers for as long as they need just nerfed In game to make it playable

One thing to mention is that Guardians are nerfed in the game, when in reality, if you take them from the lore, Guardians have no limits on how much they can use their powers so long as they have access to the light or darkness. Not to mention, they can learn from death, they get stronger by gaining wisdom from the "ultimate sacrifice". There's also the fact that Guardians do try diplomacy, so, for example, they'd strike an alliance with the Tau or the Orkz and gain access to technology far superior to whatever the Imperium has. Assuming that Ghosts are able to survive and resurrect their Guardians each time they get taken down, while it'd take a while, Guardians have the win. I mean, everything we've seen in Destiny, is guardians just following the status quo, and using their abilities in moderation, and that's by design.

The answer is no. And if given the opportunity, Space Marines are gonna sit down and watch as guardians turn every greater demon they get their hands on into a warp infused gun or sword, and proceed to raid the armies of the chaos gods like its Christmas loot. Trazyn would lose half his shit in a matter of weeks if guardians catch wind of the goodies he has in there. The Tau would learn that the only thing worse than a human is a human that they can’t kill. The Orks would find new friends in the Titans and probably start a war and under Saint-14. The guardian himself is probably gonna try and turn the Chaos Gods into one big fuck off gun and use it to somehow finally beat the trials of Osiris

If a guardian was given a bolter they would immediately dismantle it for glimmer and legendary shards then proceeded to pull out their gun they made from the remains of a god

If the imperium ever found the guardians I honestly think they would do pretty much anything in their power to appease them just to get them on their side. Because they just found a world of basically humans with millions of people who on average are more powerful than a space marine, can resurrect on death and can use chaos-free psyker powers. Honestly, the biggest hangup for the imperium would probably be the exos, although if they are properly explained those might even be a non-issue.

i listened and then remembered that Shaxx, forced a hive ghost to respawn a hive god, just to kill her… over, and over…and over again.

The problem here is that you need to understand the difference in each setting's power scaling. Space marines are in a setting that is MUCH more brutal and (I use the word lightly) grounded. Their guns fire rockets, plasma fires plasma, grenades are grenades and so on. When a space marine is shot and suffers a heavy wound, it may not kill, or even properly affect this space marine. But it CAN kill them. It CAN hurt their range of movement, cause them to become immobilized or lose vision. Even psykers have much more solid limits. Guardians come from a setting with a much, MUCH higher per-character oower ceiling. Their guns fire black holes or outright BREAK linear time to fire extra bullets. They don't stay wounded - a bullet to the arm that doesn't immediately kill a guardian isn't only a short-term wound, it's a wound gone in mere SECONDS. And their powers? They barely have limits. The whole point of their light is that they basically strive to go BEYOND those powers and become even more powerful. I'm not even really overmuch a destiny fan - I love 40k's lore more - but I'll happily admit a fireteam of guardians would likely wipe the floor with a squad of space marines. Sure, they'd die a good few times in all likelihood - but you need to realize just how open-ended guardian powers and weapons are. It's absurd. (After all. You can roughly compare great chaos demons to some of the strongest enemies in destiny - and those types of creatures are often known to cost space marines MULTIPLE permanent losses, whereas guardians are often known to lose... Nothing. If they dven die during the fight, at all.) Of course - if we placed the Imperium of man against the last city and all its allies, yes. Destiny would lose, as a setting. Their scope of resources is just too small to match up to the pure mass the imperium can throw at a singular faction as small as the vanguard and co.

The thing about Guardian's is the paracausal factor, the light inherrantly breaks the rules of the universe and allows the guardians to basically have a type advantage against all causal foes. The only way any enemy can match the guardians are if they are paracausal themselves, or have some kind of way to supress the giardian's paracausality like the Red Legion. A causal foe, no matter how advanced or strong, simply cannot win because they're bound by the rules of the causal universe. Wae Ning moved a mountain with a single punch and got obliterrated by Crota along with a thousand others, only to be brought down by six present-day guardians, just demonstrating the potentual for exponentual growth in power thanks to our guardians. There's also the matter of weapon lore in destiny, there's a rocket launcher called Deathbringer that has the lore of literally just commanding anyone hit by it to die, and they will, no ammount of armour makes any difference. It's imbued with the power of a hive deathsong that will kill anything that can hear it,we don't know if it has an upper limit, but it's safe to assume that a causal entity could not resist. Destiny's lore is kind of broken because of the gameplay, which treats kinetic weapons and causal foes the same as paracausal weapons and foes, when really in the lore, nothing causal should even be a factor at this point. Bare in mind that six guardians were able to bring down a god whom had set millions of worlds at minimum to the torch and was capeable of ripping powerful Cabal akin to the imperium out of reality and turning them into his mindless minions without any effort whatsoever. Savathûn was also able to use the light to completely depower a superweapon that could split suns in half, and one guardian killed her. I'm not very familiar with 40k, but I just don't see how any force could match the guardian's with all their paracausal power, from what you said it seems like their main magic is psychic, so kind of like the Psions, who have never been a match for Guardians even at their strongest. I feel like putting them up against the Cabal or Vex would be a fairer comparrison, since the Eliksni wouldn't stand a chance and the Hive are also paracausal, at least for their leadership.

I would imagine that if a guardian picks up a bolter , because it’s soo old and outdated in their eyes it would be Akin to white tier guns , but be so powerful at killing space marines they would still use it and infuse it to max light level anyways just for the fun of it

1 mill vs 1 mill i would love to see 250k nova bombs, 250k hunter lightning rods, 250k thunder crashes and 250k flaming warlocks just nuke an army

Space marines don’t even survive their own setting. In one short story a guardsman placed 3 ravenguards in check mate with a grenade trap and pitfall. Guardsmen have killed space marines, sororitas slay space marines, basic genestealers overwhelm and kill terminators. Space marines aren’t nearly as tough as Spartans, let alone Guardians

I'm a 40k fan, I have used to be a D2 player when I had more free time. I'm undecided as to who I think would win, but I agree that the Guardians would stand the best chance out of most other sci-fi universes. I'm leaning towards the Guardians honestly in terms of power, but I'm also considering the sheer fanaticism of the Imperium. Space Marines (many of them at least) wouldn't bat an eye at exterminatus-ing an entire planet and killing billions of innocent civilians just to eliminate some guardians. Guardians can't match that, and I don't believe they would even if they had the ability. I remain undecided though. Anyway as for my reason for commenting: I need the Black Library to release an Ork book called "Death and Green Nonsense". You have created the best possible title for an ork story lmao WELL DONE!

You guys need to know that humans in Destiny arnt standard humans. They were enhanced by the traveler. Triple lifespan, robust lungs(just look at where they settle in the golden age), enhanced strength.

Crota lore wise opened a Grand Canyon on the lunar surface with a swing of his sword. Guardians every week gather beneath his ball sack, whip out their blades and cut him to ribbons for loot in a matter of minutes lol.

To be fair, the plot demands the guardian win in almost any circumstance. No bad endings are allowed. Minus the odd sacrifice or loss that’s mainly for the character development of other characters. If we ignore that plot armor then 40k stomps the destiny universe. Besides, the inquisition would most likely destroy the solar system entirely rather then waste precious astarte. Meanwhile the guardians would have to wait an entire season to board a single dreadnought of the IoM. Even then, the guardians would have to buy a dungeon key from the eververse to access the forward operating base of the astarte. Suffice to say, the guardians have to deal with a paywall to beat the astarte.

To be fair, saint 14 destroyed literally hundreds of thousands of vex after his ghost died.

If you understand the concept of paracausality you already know that there are not many things/beings in the 40k universe that could threat guardians.

This first minute and a half is a perfect encapsulation of Destiny lore.

The most important question is whether or not the space marines would be able to reach earth, because if they could force the guardians to protect the civilians that would give them a huge edge. But more importantly, whether or not the space marines could destroy the traveller, or contain it like the Cabal did

Honestly, Richard from Gumball can solo anything just by getting a job

Warp: "let's mess with their future and shit" Guardian: *Literal volatile rage* "GOD DAMN IT VEX, I'VE SHOWN YOU ONCE I WILL DO SO AGAIN" *Begins assaulting the warp and putting literal fear into chaos.*

Things I need to see. Khorne and Xivu Arath locked in an eternal arm wrestle. Savathun and Tzeench playing 8 dimension chess.

I don’t know much about warhammer, but the canon guardians are able to cast supers on a whim whenever. Pretty sure it says somewhere in a lore book that Ikora launched 20 or so Nova bombs in a row. We have also seen Ikora launch a nova bomb to kill an empowered ogre, then immediately use chaos reach (different element) to blast away a hive god’s magic.

guardians have a really good gun that literally beats anything the space marines have, it's the graviton lance, it shoots bullet sized black holes meaning a space marines armor is absolutely useless against it.

The lore implies that Guardians are well above humans, main problem is that we have no clear and consistent example of how superhuman Guardians are supposed to be.

Gotta give it to the Guardians honestly. One guardian on a lowball might as well be the match of a grey-knight, and on a highball could stand up to a primarch, and win. All of them wield god-like weapons and power that can wipeout swathes of foes. If they do die, well their built in respawn system is something that would make even the Eldar and the Necrons jealous.

*Proceeds to use stasis and shatter the whole empire*

The real ace of the guardians is their *Paracausality* ... Why mess with a "fate" that the warp can screw with, when they make their own on demand? Not even Primarchs can do that easily!

Warlocks can literally open Black Holes and conjure small stars at a whim, a fairly average Titan was able to shake a mountain with a punch. To be blunt, while I love 40K and Space Marines, there isn't a single Space Marine or even Primarch alive in the 40K setting that could survive a round with a high tier Guardian. The player Guardians are on a similar power scale to a C'tan, and not a C'tan Shard, a full on C'tan, as in the Vow of the Disciple Raid, you're actually literally moving planets around with your power.

the 1,000 space marines getting strand suspended for 10 seconds watching 6 rockets fly towards them while their mind is unraveled

Guardians needing 8 minutes to charge a super is a game play mechanic, not lore accurate.