HAITI | Can It Be Saved?

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Prof James Ker-Lindsay

Prof James Ker-Lindsay

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On 2 October 2023, the United Nations Security Council authorised the creation of a major new police mission for Haiti. Led by Kenya and designed to halt the epidemic of gang violence sweeping the country's capital, it will mark yet another major UN mission to try stabilising a failed state descending into anarchy and lawlessness. But can this new operation really succeed?
Haiti has a long and troubled history. Having achieved independence in 1804 following a slave revolt against France, it became only the second sovereign state in the Americas. However, from the start, it faced huge difficulties. This continued into the 20th century when it came under US military rule for almost two decades. Then from 1957-1986, it fell under the dictatorial rule of the Duvaliers, "Papa Doc" and "Baby Doc". Although it elected a new president in 1990, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, he was soon ousted from power. And while he was eventually returned to office, he was forced out again in 2004. As the country descended into lawlessness, the UN established a presence (MINUSTAH and MINJUSTH) until 2019. However, since its departure, the country has again collapsed, this time under the weight of horrific gang violence. Against this backdrop, the UN has now authorised a new force. To be led by a thousand police officers from Kenya, it will try to restore law and order. But the mission is controversial, and many wonder whether it can really fix Haiti's serious problems.
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00:00 Start
00:44 Failed States in International Politics
01:44 Key Information about Haiti
02:26 The Emergence of Haiti
04:21 Haiti: From Independence to US Military Rule
05:48 The Duvalier Dictatorship and After
08:39 The Emergence of Gang Violence in Haiti
10:35 The New UN Security Mission for Haiti
12:54 Can the UN Help Haiti?
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@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
The worsening situation in Haiti has received relatively little international media attention. However, the UN has just authorised a major new force to tackle the gang warfare that is devastating the country. But after the previous UN missions to the country, do you think it can hope to succeed? As ever, let me know your thoughts and comments below.
@berkosmansatiroglu
@berkosmansatiroglu 7 ай бұрын
Haiti wow. Goodluck USA.
@theconqueringram5295
@theconqueringram5295 7 ай бұрын
I hope it can, but I don't really know.
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 7 ай бұрын
Probably not , if history taught us anything
@tannerwilson4843
@tannerwilson4843 7 ай бұрын
Haiti will never be stable at all! The UN should look at officially folding the country and let various nations and organizations officially take it over!
@marie.petithomme3198
@marie.petithomme3198 7 ай бұрын
Foreign mission participates in Atrocities in haiti. # long live haitians military for haiti. Kenya polis killing 36 civilians in kenya . # haiti said no
@ianshaver8954
@ianshaver8954 7 ай бұрын
“Moscow argued that sending a military force to a country must be thought through, especially when it doesn’t have a clear mandate.” Russia sure learned that lesson the hard way.
@FOLIPE
@FOLIPE 7 ай бұрын
Optimistic, if we look at European countries and the US it seems powers don't learn that interventions don't work even after failing several times
@bilic8094
@bilic8094 7 ай бұрын
If the Russians don't chop off half Ukraine along the dnieper I'm not sure if it could be called a success or maybe they're happy with the smaller version of novorossiya minus odessa with a neutral Ukraine.
@imgvillasrc1608
@imgvillasrc1608 7 ай бұрын
​@bilic8094 Russia has lost in the long term already since they destroyed the Nova Kakhovka Dam. They created too much bad blood with Ukrainians that keeping Novorossiya would only create a conflict similar to The Troubles but a hundred times worse.
@JABN97
@JABN97 7 ай бұрын
@@bilic8094 Fighting has not yet stopped, and Ukraine has not yet won, but Russia lost this war long ago. Russian goals? Get Ukraine under control, deter other countries from joining NATO, weaken NATO cohesion, strengthen Russia's position on the world stage, Get strong legacy for Putin their achievement? at least 3 generations of unbridled Ukrainian hate, Sweden & Finland joining NATO and Ukraine being solidified as a future member, stronger NATO cohesion then since 1991, and Russia's position on the world stage strongly deteriorated, legacy for Putin ruined. assessment: all goals counter-productive effect, war irrecoverably lost, only thing that's left is to try & hope to convince Ukraine eventually that retaking lost territories would be to expensive in blood and win some medium-term cease-fire to protect Putin's remaining scraps of reputation
@Todd.B
@Todd.B 7 ай бұрын
I don't see it succeeding because this appears to be a short-term solution with no long-term plan. They may very well reduce the amount of violence in the country but without a long-term plan as soon as they leave, the country goes right back to the chaos. We have seen this numerous times in different places.
@TheWedabest
@TheWedabest 7 ай бұрын
I see your point. But, both short-term and long-term solutions are needed!
@shzarmai
@shzarmai 7 ай бұрын
Agreed, Todd.B
@clumsydentist5576
@clumsydentist5576 7 ай бұрын
I've done only a short stint in Haiti but I learned that the extreme poverty most haitians live in changes their outlook on the world in such a fundamental way that a lot of people become unable to adapt to a western mindset. Any effort to seriously help Haiti must be multi generational. The other thing to look at when talking about crime in particular is the role Haiti plays in the trafficing of drugs to the US. This is a very niche topic and not very well covered (as haiti is in general) but the amounts of cocaine and heroin moving though Haiti towards the US are fairly large and they do drive internal problems.
@MrAmhara
@MrAmhara 7 ай бұрын
Most of the world is poor.
@4ysx
@4ysx 7 ай бұрын
what do you mean by "western mindset" not being cheeky just wondering
@hopeintruth5119
@hopeintruth5119 7 ай бұрын
​@@4ysxtbh I'm wondering the same. Haiti is also a western country like the rest of the Americas. Maybe not as liberal but they have deep ingrain love and has a civil war for democracy before. They agree with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They can be really religiously christian, and So much more. But idk why this person say "adapt to western mindset.' when in reality it's just the corruption from within and outside the country that cause this.
@bigzclipz5104
@bigzclipz5104 7 ай бұрын
@@hopeintruth5119Western ideas of democracy will not work there . The people there don’t know how to read and write
@xr2kid
@xr2kid 7 ай бұрын
?????
@11namesknow6
@11namesknow6 7 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for Haiti and the Haitian people. They can't just seem to catch a break
@MrAmhara
@MrAmhara 7 ай бұрын
They are twisted. They always blame people for their problems. No wonder they can’t solve them.
@mathewkelly9968
@mathewkelly9968 7 ай бұрын
By design , the French really should repay what they made Haiti pay for daring to be independent .
@scarletcrusade77
@scarletcrusade77 7 ай бұрын
@@mathewkelly9968 Nah they shouldn't.
@patriayvida6850
@patriayvida6850 7 ай бұрын
That's by deliberate design, French & American design that is.
@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus
@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus 7 ай бұрын
@@mathewkelly9968 Haiti paid about 500 million to France (adjusted for inflation), they have received billions in foreign aid. A little more money isn't going to fix the problems. I doubt the current intervention will either.
@Flirtinwithdisaster
@Flirtinwithdisaster 7 ай бұрын
James, As always, thanks for the amazing content. Currently I’m working alongside the state department as diplomatic security. The situation is just as bad as you have described. I have a lot of colleagues who are there at the US Embassy in Port-Au-Prince now. The embassy is constantly shot at by gangs. Among our circle, it is seen as easily the most volatile Embassy in the western hemisphere.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the comment and the general support. I really and truly appreciate it. The situation in Haiti really sounds nightmarish. I can only imagine just how difficult it must be to be working on the ground. I’m not sure the Kenyan police will be able to get even close to managing it, especially if there is no major new effort to tackle the underlying problems. Haiti really is a tragic case. Sadly, going by the lack of interest in this video (it’s my worst performing by a long shot in a very long time), people have just given up on the country and feel it’s just beyond saving.
@TheLocalLt
@TheLocalLt 7 ай бұрын
Before I get into my comment, you deserve props for the continual upgrades in production quality, the new map animations are fantastic! To the issue at hand, Haiti. Overall my feeling is that this situation is so dire that if the world isn’t paying attention now, they will eventually be forced to pay attention when this starts to affect them directly. Having a defacto gang-run state right in the middle of the Caribbean is a major security risk for the entire region, and threatens to turn the country into a haven for cartels, pirates, terrorists, etc. That said, as you’ve laid out it’s totally unclear what can actually be done at the moment. No players with a true capacity to make a difference are planning to get involved, especially not with the current geopolitical situation. To my mind, the most important thing Kenya can do is to behave respectfully and professionally, helping to restore the credibility of the UN after the scandal-ridden previous mission. It also feels like an important moment for the Armed Forces of Kenya, a country that has positioned itself as a bastion of stability and growing regional power. But as you pointed out, are 4,000 gendarmerie enough to seriously tackle any of Haiti’s current problems? Probably not, but if they can at least establish something positive it can hopefully be a foundation to build on in future missions. Thanks as always for the video professor!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much LocalLt. Yes, I've been trying to up the 'map game'. Not Vox levels yet, sadly, but hopefully more engaging. :-) Thanks as ever for the comment. Interestingly, the Caribbean is starting to maybe gain some traction. I saw an interesting report that Canada is taking concerned about growing gun violence in the region. But, sadly, it still isn't getting the broader exposure it needs. As for Haiti, there really does seem to be a sense that it is beyond saving. Also, given that it doesn't pose a direct threat to the US in the way that a collapsed Somalia, for example, was a haven for Islamist groups, maybe believe it is just not worth worrying about. Truly tragic. And I think many are also sceptical about what Kenya can really achieve. Let's see. The point about restoring UN credibility is indeed important.
@shane_rm1025
@shane_rm1025 7 ай бұрын
I wonder if a multilateral force with other nations gendarmerie, especially French speaking ones, could work better through sheer size if not providing more credibility to the UN.
@aaronjones8905
@aaronjones8905 7 ай бұрын
It would make more sense to establish a Japanese-led reconstruction force to harden the infrastructure against earthquakes, and I would think any UN force would have an easier time if they were native French speakers.
@LondonSteveLee
@LondonSteveLee 4 ай бұрын
Japan has been flattened by war and been subjected to two nuclear attacks. Traditionally they made houses from leaves, paper and wood. But they learned from their evil colonisers and built flourishing, well ordered modern towns and cities from concrete and steel that can withstand earthquakes. Japanese culture learns, adapts and creates for the good of everybody in Japan. Cultures have cultural outcomes - build whatever you want - it's still Haiti and the outcome will be the same.
@Asamations
@Asamations 7 ай бұрын
Loved those map animations James! :) Keep up the great work. I didn't even know about this. I am so busy carefuly studying and making a video about Gaza and Israel.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! :-) I’ve been trying to do some more with maps. I love the maps by The Map Archive and so am using those a lot now. But also try to get the hang of Google Earth mapping. I also have some more advanced software, but it is tricky to learn! Anyway, I hope all is well with you. I hope the studies are coming along well.
@hrishikeshmasurkar8434
@hrishikeshmasurkar8434 7 ай бұрын
Very informative video, thank you professor Ker Lindsay!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much indeed. It really is a desperately sad story, isn’t it?
@EricZucchini
@EricZucchini 7 ай бұрын
Loved the introduction through a globe map in 1:45. Really helps keep in localizing the country! Maybe if some well known places were marked too would be nice.
@CedarHunt
@CedarHunt 7 ай бұрын
I remain very skeptical that this latest effort will succeed.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Sadly, I do too. Tackling the gangs is important, especially fur ordinary people, but there needs to be a bigger plan. The country has so many problems.
@CedarHunt
@CedarHunt 7 ай бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Do you see a realistic road to fixing Haitis problems, Professor? I see the argument for international intervention, but just as apparently, previous efforts have failed. The old proverb about leading a horse to water comes to mind.
@MrPerdeci
@MrPerdeci 7 ай бұрын
I truly enjoy your posts. Thank you for all the insights.
@fons_ssb3351
@fons_ssb3351 7 ай бұрын
Always a pleasure to watch your videos!
@thesljivo4101
@thesljivo4101 7 ай бұрын
Great contribution!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. This is a topic that should be getting far more attention than it is.
@peterkops6431
@peterkops6431 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Prof👍🏻👍🏻
@vladadjo
@vladadjo 7 ай бұрын
Great video, James: I have already informed my students at a human rights course I am teaching to address it as the source of additional information regarding the case at hand. Stay well!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, Vladimir! Always great to hear - and much appreciated. I hope you are keeping well too. (And thanks for the email as well.)
@vladadjo
@vladadjo 7 ай бұрын
I thank you, and yes, all good, thank you for asking: keep up the good work@@JamesKerLindsay
@jimjohnston7688
@jimjohnston7688 7 ай бұрын
As always a factual explanation of something that most people don’t really understand. I don’t envy the Kenyan police taking on this task. I wish the best for all concerned.
@lindamkhontozwane9742
@lindamkhontozwane9742 7 ай бұрын
Great content Prof James I am a huge fan of your content from South Africa, I wish you could do a lecture on how its BRICS membership and its close ties with Russia and China is affecting its political and social stability 👏🏿🔥
@oldgreybeard2507
@oldgreybeard2507 7 ай бұрын
Beijing raised concerns. That has to be a lighter interlude in a video of a catastrophe. Moscow 'sending a military force to a country has to be thought through' - that has to be worth a belly laugh.
@DemPilafian
@DemPilafian 7 ай бұрын
It's likely that both China and Russia are trying to ensure Haiti remains a disaster because they believe that makes the West look bad. Xi and Putin have repeatedly demonstrated that furthering their respective iron grip on power is their real objective. It's just dictators doing dictator things.
@clementgavi7290
@clementgavi7290 7 ай бұрын
An excellent presentation
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@clementgavi7290
@clementgavi7290 7 ай бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay You are welcome
@Twinkiepower420
@Twinkiepower420 7 ай бұрын
I think this conflict kinda shows the fine line between gangs and some political movements. I’m not trying to sound like an anarchist here and claim all states are gangs, but if one of those gangs simply took up a political cause liked by a powerful foreign power the situation could change drastically. Plenty of legitimate resistance groups have engaged in what we’d refer to as gang activity, but we keep them as separate entities in our heads because of their overall goals. I’m honestly shocked none of the gangs have attempted to claim legitimacy. Obviously, the international community’s response to an attempt at “legitimizing” a gang is not guaranteed, I’m just surprised no one has tried on either end. It’s just the fact that there is absolutely 0 government shows that criminals can fill a political vacuum just as well as politicians and freedom fighters
@ianshaver8954
@ianshaver8954 7 ай бұрын
What is a state if not a gang that has successfully established a monopoly on violence?
@oldgreybeard2507
@oldgreybeard2507 7 ай бұрын
Just as well. Interesting use of words especially when rape and murder are a tool of control
@serronserron1320
@serronserron1320 7 ай бұрын
True however most of these gangs obviously do not have any long-term intentions beyond their own financial benefit. Games could come together and form their own political parties and effective governments and businesses but this is not to be in this situation.
@seneca983
@seneca983 7 ай бұрын
If there are more than 2 major gangs and one tries to become the government it might risk all the others ganging (haha!) up on it.
@SC0RPI0NFURY
@SC0RPI0NFURY 7 ай бұрын
​@@ianshaver8954 A dictator state which is really bad for the inhabitants
@brendasmart553
@brendasmart553 2 ай бұрын
Thankyou for this history lesson for they need help indeed.😢
@stephaniestevenson9301
@stephaniestevenson9301 6 ай бұрын
Amazing how the perspective on Haiti is so different when told by indigenous black Haitians.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 6 ай бұрын
Thanks. The same applies in almost any case. What peoples and countries say about themselves is often at odds with how others see them. What is particularly sad in this case is that this is a country that no one seems to care about at all. This was by far my worst performing video in well over 18 months. I tried everything to get some interest, but nothing worked. In many cases, even a diaspora community will get involved in the debate. But in this case it just didn’t happen. And this video was an updated remake of another one I did a couple of years ago that didn’t do well. Haiti seems to have been written off by everyone, even its diaspora.
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@JamesKerLindsay, Stephanie Stevenson made a powerful observation that should not be underplayed. I understand your perspective, and it's essential to highlight that there are indeed many individuals and communities, including Haitians and others, who genuinely care about what is happening in Haiti. Contrary to the notion that Haiti has been written off, there are numerous instances of active engagement and concern. For instance, various humanitarian organizations, both local and international, consistently work towards addressing the challenges faced by Haiti. Additionally, the Haitian diaspora is actively involved in discussions, initiatives, and support networks aimed at bringing positive change to their homeland. Social media campaigns, grassroots movements, and collaborative efforts among concerned individuals demonstrate a shared commitment to raising awareness about Haiti's issues and advocating for meaningful solutions. While your video may not have received the expected attention, it's important to acknowledge the existing care and concern within various communities, dispelling the notion that Haiti is entirely overlooked. Emphasizing these examples can provide a more balanced perspective on the genuine interest and efforts dedicated to supporting Haiti. The narrative is key here, and we are responsible for carefully choosing our words while doing this work.
@huwwilliams9714
@huwwilliams9714 7 ай бұрын
I`m struggling to understand why Kenya is so keen to take on this peacekeeping role despite hearing a minister on BBC World Service sounding very altruistic and concerned for his ` brothers ` in Haiti . I`m not sure the Kenyan people are keen on their police being sent to such a dangerous place especially when some of them get killed which I would imagine is a strong possibility . Any thoughts anyone ?
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. I would be keen to hear some answers to this as well. It certainly sounds altruistic, but 1000 police is a huge number to be sending abroad - especially to such a difficult and dangerous location.
@huwwilliams9714
@huwwilliams9714 7 ай бұрын
Hi , thanks for replying , I just read that on 25/9/23 US and Kenya signed a 5 year defence agreement in Nairobi which gives Kenya financial and logistical support to fight Al- Shabab and `thanks them for volunteering to lead the peacekeeping mission in Haiti ` . Hmmm...........@@JamesKerLindsay
@huwwilliams9714
@huwwilliams9714 7 ай бұрын
Kenya will receive $100 million support for the Haiti mission . Could it be that the USA for numerous reasons ( regional stability , migration to USA , drug traffiking etc., ) wants to stabilise Haiti but without its` own troops going there given the probable unpopularity because of previous occupations so have `come to an arrangement ` with Kenya to provide police as a substitute and as a condition of the security agreement just signed .
@vulpes7079
@vulpes7079 7 ай бұрын
I think it's as simple as searching for international prominence. Same reason why Brazil lead Minustah. As a Brazilian I think we should go back
@trevormcdonald385
@trevormcdonald385 7 ай бұрын
Why don’t these task forces issue an invitation to the Haitian diaspora to rebuild the country ?
@bigzclipz5104
@bigzclipz5104 7 ай бұрын
Why would they go back to a country that at war among itself
@vulpes7079
@vulpes7079 7 ай бұрын
The Haitian diaspora first needs a country to return to
@copeyano718
@copeyano718 7 ай бұрын
Haiti diaspora has contribute to the chaos since the very first day of independence.
@vulpes7079
@vulpes7079 7 ай бұрын
@@copeyano718 how?
@copeyano718
@copeyano718 7 ай бұрын
@@vulpes7079 since the early days of the independence expelled political enemies of government obstructed the relationship in both Washington and Paris. During the Duvalier dictatorship the diaspora promoted sanctions against the nation to weak the government. And more recently, Florida diaspora have filled the nation with weapons, financing gangs and the assassination of the president. I can proof everything I wrote with books and media reports
@Yesnoyesno720
@Yesnoyesno720 7 ай бұрын
It's so sad to see the videos from Haiti. I visited the dominican some years back and there was haitians every where trying to do shitty jobs. that was way better then being on their side of the island. I don't know how they can turn that mess around, since the problems are so extreme.
@mohammadhadinosrati6788
@mohammadhadinosrati6788 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for persian subtitle ❤
@imnotanalien7839
@imnotanalien7839 7 ай бұрын
The population of Haiti in 2018 was 11,447,569, as compared to 3,221,000 in 1950. How does a poverty stricken country increase its population? Who is responsible for caring for this ever increasing population that cannot feed itself? There are 8B people on the planet, most cannot feed themselves. There are only 150M US federal taxpayers….not enough to be responsible for caring for 2-4B that want to be taken care of. They have to take care of themselves. They are sovereign nations.
@lobstereleven4610
@lobstereleven4610 7 ай бұрын
Will there be a video on the elections going on in Argentina in context with its economic difficulties? Ty!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. Good suggestion. Let me have a think about it.
@LondonSteveLee
@LondonSteveLee 4 ай бұрын
Haiti is the perfect example that cultures create countries that reflect the dominant culture. Haiti and Australia are about the same age - one was formed from freed African slaves, one was formed of British/Irish and European flotsam/convicts - or those just guilty of no more than being poor. Both are rich in minerals (Haiti actually has a slightly high density of mineral wealth) - but look at the outcomes of 250 years of independence - where would you rather live? Some cultures create and some cultures create poverty and misery. Trace the people back to their ancestral homelands and you see the exact same outcomes. When is the world going to admit not all cultures can sustain what we'd regard as egalitarian, successful societies? People are just people - it's culture that defines what groups of people and their habitat become. When European people are history through displacement, the "nice" countries they build will go with them - lumps of land do not have a culture or values - people do.
@SK-lt1so
@SK-lt1so 7 ай бұрын
I think we have answered that question.
@BsktImp
@BsktImp 7 ай бұрын
It's like something resembling _Lord of the Flies_ on a national scale! There is something very deeply inherent in young men especially that they turn to gangs and violence in desperate times. And of course there are hidden hands in the pot stirring away. From what I've read Jamaica, with its armed gangs and states of emergency, is heading this way too potentially.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. Yes, there are some very real questions to be asked about his the world should respond to these failed states. And you’re right, it is a growing problem. I was just reading about the huge issue of growing gun violence across the Caribbean.
@LondonSteveLee
@LondonSteveLee 4 ай бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Haiti is the natural conclusion of Haitian culture. People are just people - some cultures create Barcelona or Tokyo, some cultures create Haiti. When the European people are gone - displaced into dust, the "nice" safe egalitarian countries they build will go with them - replaced with whatever has become the majority culture. Fill a country with Martians and it will become Mars. Most importantly it's not our sodding problem. Haiti has been independent for the same period of time as Australia - roughly 250 years. When are the excuses going to stop?
@primatajenius28
@primatajenius28 7 ай бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@MrAndrew941
@MrAndrew941 7 ай бұрын
No way Kenya will manage that mission, has this world gone mad 😂
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@MrAndrew941 I am not sure, but I do know though is that many people commenting don't fully understand the complexities around Haiti's history. Additionally, it's inaccurate to blame the entire Haitian diaspora for the country's challenges. Many Haitians abroad have actually made positive contributions. Haiti faces difficulties due to a mix of historical issues and problems like corruption and instability. Let's discuss these issues openly and work together for positive change in Haiti. I don't think anyone who actually knows the inner workings of this community would disagree that the diaspora communities have single-handedly kept Haiti's economy afloat in the absence of economic opportunities. The Haitian diaspora has carried multiple heavy loads and will continue to do so for as long as it is needed. That's our commitment to ourselves.
@adamhauskins6407
@adamhauskins6407 7 ай бұрын
Theres never been anything to save
@ethoatom668
@ethoatom668 7 ай бұрын
"Sending a military force to another country must be thought through." - Russia
@topsecret2232
@topsecret2232 7 ай бұрын
This makes me wonder whether UN peacekeeping forces have ever been able to have a large impact in an unstable region or perhaps sending military forces is simply a step in the wrong direction and the UN should try other approaches to stabilizing a nation.
@seneca983
@seneca983 7 ай бұрын
It's not necessarily clear that UN missions facing severe difficulties are necessarily useless. It might that without them the situation would be even worse. We can't directly observe what the result would be if they were not sent so it might not be obvious that sending the mission was a wrong decision to make. Even if the outcome doesn't appear good the alternative might be worse.
@dylanf3108
@dylanf3108 7 ай бұрын
I mean Cyprus exists buddy. The UN peace keeping force has prevented conflict on the island for awhile.
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 7 ай бұрын
Yes Look at South Korea, they exist because of the UN. And UN command is still there today It’s also their first peace keeping mission, still ongoing
@righteousness8606
@righteousness8606 7 ай бұрын
​@@seneca983the alternative to a UN mission is simply stopping the guns coming from the US to Haiti. Military intervention is not necessary.
@seneca983
@seneca983 7 ай бұрын
@@righteousness8606 I'm pretty sure that's easier said than done (if you don't implement e.g. a total blockade which would make Haitian lives even worse). Also, that wouldn't remove guns already in Haiti and it's not clear to me that in a gunless Haiti the state and/or civilians could more easily defeat the gangs.
@mbindwane
@mbindwane 7 ай бұрын
Arastide fled to South Africa in the last exile
@Paranoid_Found
@Paranoid_Found 7 ай бұрын
12:18 the irony of the Kremlin preaching the danger of “sending the military to another country without a clear mandate.”
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Yes, couldn’t resist. Apparently it was said with a straight face!?
@peterkops6431
@peterkops6431 7 ай бұрын
Gee. What a mess! I don’t believe there is even a solution for this disaster.
@ruzzsverion2728
@ruzzsverion2728 7 ай бұрын
Because Kenyan police is totally not corrupt right?
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Indeed. There are also very serious questions on that front as well.
@aslama.suleiman5216
@aslama.suleiman5216 6 ай бұрын
Nothing as bad as having a bad neighbor.
@uriahthehittite1672
@uriahthehittite1672 7 ай бұрын
1,000 additional foreign police will have little long term impact. Maybe 100,00 will. The country needs to be occupied like the US occupied Japan after the war. That was a success story. They need a mandate to confront violence with violence but if you are a foreign soldier, do you really want to risk your life for a populace that maybe even doesn't want you there and thinks you are colonizers? I wonder if the average Haitian would welcome a foreign army's presence with the aim of restoring order and educating the populace in functioning democracy? The 500,00 troops we sent to destabilize Iraq would have been better used in our own hemisphere removing brutal and repressive regimes. Maybe that would have lessened the pressure on our southern border.
@brianfoley4328
@brianfoley4328 7 ай бұрын
The situation in Haiti isn't anything new, maybe a little worse (maybe even a little better). Haiti has been like this since its independence. It will be like this until it sinks beneath the waves. Some place, some people just can't be helped...they defy all means of aid. Libya, Somalia, Haiti, Afghanistan...New Jersey, it's a long sad list.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
I shouldn’t laugh, but that final kicker did it for me. :-) Seriously, though, it does raise some important questions about why sone countries seem to be doomed to perpetual instability. Haiti really does have a long and tragic history.
@brianfoley4328
@brianfoley4328 7 ай бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay Yes, you are right (as usual) it is a tragic situation in Haiti, no one deserves to suffer like that. Making light of a terrible situation is a form of gallows humor.
@serronserron1320
@serronserron1320 7 ай бұрын
@@brianfoley4328 A lot of the time outside intervention is not with nice intentions but is rather exploitation of resources or geographical positioning for greater regional politics. That said if there are any problems in New Jersey you can blame those godless zealots from Rhode Island. .
@guppy719
@guppy719 7 ай бұрын
Haiti has never been great but it was relatively better till 50s when papa doc took over.
@randomman9629
@randomman9629 7 ай бұрын
Remember america wasted 20 years in haiti doing nothing .
@cenazivota5840
@cenazivota5840 7 ай бұрын
UN mission in Haiti is NOT a tool of US colonialism. On the contrary it is a way to wash away responsibility for all the upcoming failures and blame them on UN + the individual African governments & it CANNOT succeed. Most optimistic scenario is, it can take control of significant parts of the country by brute (military) force and reduce the violence, while being unable to improve social and economical conditions for a few years and then withdraw due to fatigue and let it sink into the same situation. Best case scenario. There are other scenarios as well (e.g. doing nothing for the money and just watching the slaughter like in Rwanda or poorly trained and disciplined African soldiers joining the ongoing looting and abuse).
@TiagobritoBrito
@TiagobritoBrito 7 ай бұрын
I think if you do research on the Rwandan army’s military/polo intervention in Mozambique you will open your eyes about poorly trained/disciplined soldiers. Unlike American and Allie atrocities against Iraqi’s even American PMC Blackwater was embroiled in controversy so don’t paint Africa in the wrong way, get your facts straight!!!
@mathewkelly9968
@mathewkelly9968 7 ай бұрын
Thank God the latest UN mission isn't US lead , the US has only ever been a disaster for Haiti . And the French should be forced to pay reparations for all of eternity for the their shenanigans of forcing Haiti to pay reparations at all .
@cenazivota5840
@cenazivota5840 7 ай бұрын
@@TiagobritoBrito I do not say all of them, just most of them, and I do not say, there are no other countries, that commit or commited warcrimes (US is a prime example of that, but still their role in peacekeeping mission would be better than if they rely on PMC in an illegal war without mandate - which Iraq war was). Actually there already was a massive UN mission in Haiti and soldiers from Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Nepal were all implicated for massive crimes against the local population (and yes, I know, these countries are not Africa, but mainly it is similar level of development and training, with some few exceptions). Also I did not say, it will happen. Just that is only on of the possible scenarios. The best case scenario, I described above, is actually quite likely, just not guaranteed.
@AnonymousAlcoholic772
@AnonymousAlcoholic772 7 ай бұрын
Its so hard to answer your question with a definitive no but here we are. Nothing about Haiti gives any hope as to the future. There is no fertile ground upon which to plant a seed. No resources, no political class of any note, no stability, and no hope. And no desire on the part of the USA to assist.
@sulaak
@sulaak 7 ай бұрын
African countries have been able to assist countries that are facing deep insecurity and anarchy problems such as in Liberia, S Leone, and recently Somalia, but you will need more than 1000 police officers.
@jakegarvin7634
@jakegarvin7634 7 ай бұрын
12:18 I'm sorry, Russia, what was that??!?!??
@randombystander5324
@randombystander5324 7 ай бұрын
Wait, Moscow insisted that "seding a military force to a country must be thought through"? That would be a first.
@lukecacatian3245
@lukecacatian3245 7 ай бұрын
One thing that interests me is why does America care so much about Israel and Ukraine but not Haiti which is much closer to their homes.
@zn9219
@zn9219 7 ай бұрын
Israel to prevent a United Arab State and Ukraine to fight of Russia which will always aim to expand, Haiti cant be influenced easily by any significant power so as the U.S. you just let them be
@bigzclipz5104
@bigzclipz5104 7 ай бұрын
Lmao it’s because the lobbyists are from a certain tribe with money to spend unlike Haiti
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Interesting point. I think there are clear geopolitical dimensions to Israel and Ukraine, which aren't there in Haiti. But the US has in fact taken a very close interest in Haiti for most of the past century.
@MrAndrew941
@MrAndrew941 7 ай бұрын
I love how you frame this situation as being outside influences fault, no mention of their politicians being in bed with the gangs or even how these same politicians putting weapons in the hands of these gangs for favours.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
I took no position on the origins of the gangs, nor on their relationship with politicians. I worked in the basis that the country had broken down completely. The question is how is the police mission going to fix the problem when it isn’t addressing the whole range of issues facing the country, including corruption and political links to organised crime.
@marrs1013
@marrs1013 7 ай бұрын
There is no chance to have a decent job, so there is no chance for peace. Nobody will invest into a country like Haiti. People will try to dig some living out of the dirt with bare hands, while watching the world passing by. That will create resentment and lead to criminal activity fueled by drug trafficing to the US. People will do what pays better. Even if it's criminal activity: they have no alternative and nothing to lose. Slums of the world will unlikely to change, just like slums of cities. But while we can bulldoze city slums, disperse the residents into better neighbourhoods in hope to 'reset' their lives, you can't do that with these 'slum countries'.
@hisdadjames4876
@hisdadjames4876 7 ай бұрын
Loving the concept of a ‘failed state’. Reminds me of my school days. 👨🏻‍🎓Wouldn’t it be great if every regime had to undergo an objective and measurable examination every so often, with a pass or fail rating duly applied. One could argue that this already happens, and is called an election, but the problem there is that the examining body (the electorate) is usually disorganised and ill-informed, so prone to very stupid decisions🤷‍♂️. Would be hilarious if a cleverly constructed UN body were to rate the states A-F, according to universally agreed success criteria. 😉
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Haha! There’s an idea. The trouble is that it would be rigged. It’d be rather the same as how Saudi Arabia and Iran end up on the UN Human Rights Council. North Korea and Venezuela would probably end up getting top marks and the US would always get an F.
@rachetforsic4442
@rachetforsic4442 7 ай бұрын
well well well
@seneca983
@seneca983 7 ай бұрын
Is there a reason why it's specifically Kenya that's sending the police force?
@randomman9629
@randomman9629 7 ай бұрын
America are ashamed to show up ,they pay Kenya to come in to do theirs dirty work.
@bilic8094
@bilic8094 7 ай бұрын
Probably friendly relations
@Pseudowudoh
@Pseudowudoh 7 ай бұрын
No one else volunteered
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 7 ай бұрын
Because it’s Haiti
@seraphinduvolzairo5938
@seraphinduvolzairo5938 7 ай бұрын
The US is forcing them to. Haitians dont want an intervention, kenyan opposition parties managed to delay the intervention also. Noone wanted this but the US.
@theconqueringram5295
@theconqueringram5295 7 ай бұрын
Now, the part where Haiti enjoyed stability at the turn of the century caught my interest. I knew at some point before WWI Haiti was relatively stable. Maybe if they were left alone then things won't be that bad today.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Great question. However, it seems that it was already becoming increasingly unstable when the US invaded. There has been several short-lived governments and then the president was assassinated. Sadly, it seems as if it was on the way to collapse anyway. Of course, we will never know. But the US occupation has certainly helped to cement the view (justified or not) that the country’s problems are the result of outside interference.
@slimdiddyd
@slimdiddyd 7 ай бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsaythe only time Haiti was ever stable was when it was being administered by the US. We don’t want the responsibility, and frankly, I’ve seen what the Haitian immigrants in my own home state of Florida have done to the neighborhoods they inhabit, and it isn’t pretty. Perhaps there is just some unfixable cultural flaw?
@sulaak
@sulaak 7 ай бұрын
@@slimdiddyd The USA fought a long rebellion in Haiti and was forced to leave, like they were in Afghanistan.
@slimdiddyd
@slimdiddyd 7 ай бұрын
@@sulaak we were not forced to leave in Haiti or Afghanistan. We got bored. Big difference.
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@theconqueringram5295, While the U.S. is not the only influencer in Haiti, the U.S. occupation has had complex effects on the island and may have influenced external interference in Haiti's challenges. This certainly added another layer to the country's complex narrative. However, Haiti's problems are because of systemic racism, which has historically played a significant role in shaping Haiti's challenges. Nonetheless, that is not the sole source of Haiti's problem. From a more holistic viewpoint, this includes politics, corruption, and natural disasters. However, the assassination of the president and the short-lived governments are the effects, not the causes.
@brianfoley4328
@brianfoley4328 7 ай бұрын
After further consideration I would like to offer another thought about Haiti. The question isn't really "Can Haiti be saved?"...because if the world could re-build after World War Two, there's no reason Haiti can't be saved, except for one...the motivation. The brutal reality is that with so much going on in the world no one really cares about Haiti. We live in the "Here and Now" 21th Century of instant everything and if it can't be done quickly, then it isn't going to be done at all. Hence no one has the "stick-to-itness" to see the course through with Haiti. So the the short answer is "Yes, Haiti can be saved, but no one has time for that".
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
Haiti saved itself in 1804.
@brianfoley4328
@brianfoley4328 4 ай бұрын
@@BadlyGoverned That was 220 years ago. At that time Haitians had a national Hero and unifying cause...independence from France. That was then and this is now. Haiti needs a "National Hero" or divine intervention. The UN can't help, the US can't help...no current agency or government can save Haiti.
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@@brianfoley4328@brianfoley4328 Good, that aligns with our thinking because we are already saved. There is no place for white knighting in Haitian society. Our success in the U.S. stands as evidence of our capability. Instead of viewing others as needing to be saved, a positive shift in mindset would be to see everyone as equals. Recognizing the abilities and strengths of each individual can contribute to their betterment.
@brianfoley4328
@brianfoley4328 4 ай бұрын
@@BadlyGoverned You enjoy
@amstatistic5603
@amstatistic5603 7 ай бұрын
Can you make a video about Burma and Rohingya genocide?
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thank you. Great suggestion. This has been on my list for quite some time.
@amstatistic5603
@amstatistic5603 7 ай бұрын
@@JamesKerLindsay thanks
@margi1717
@margi1717 7 ай бұрын
So we are ignoring atrocities done by Haitians?
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@margi1717, I am glad you challenged these posts with your question. It's crucial to acknowledge and address the atrocities that have occurred in Haiti and emphasize why the world should care about the situation. Haiti has faced historical challenges, including political instability, economic struggles, and natural disasters, all of which have contributed to the suffering of its people. Bringing attention to the issues in Haiti is not about ignoring or downplaying any internal challenges but rather recognizing the interconnectedness of global issues that disproportionately affect Black communities. The struggles in Haiti are part of a larger narrative of systemic inequalities and historical injustices that impact Black people globally. By shedding light on the atrocities in Haiti, we aim to raise awareness about the need for international support, solidarity, and a collective effort to address the root causes of these challenges. It's about fostering empathy and understanding, acknowledging the interconnectedness of our world, and working towards a more just and equitable future for all. Additionally, I don't know how I am receiving these posts or how people intended their sentiments to come through, but I will say this: I acknowledge the importance of cultural humility as it relates to this topic. I strongly encourage self-reflection when addressing racial justice issues. It's a good practice for individuals to introspect and recognize their biases before engaging in discussions related to racial justice. This self-awareness can contribute to more meaningful and empathetic conversations, fostering an environment where diverse perspectives are considered and genuine understanding can be achieved. By promoting self-reflection, we create a space for constructive dialogue and collaborative efforts to address systemic issues affecting marginalized communities, including Haiti.
@thetruekhanofkhans
@thetruekhanofkhans 7 ай бұрын
Could this be Kenya’s Vietnam writ small?
@terintiaflavius3349
@terintiaflavius3349 5 ай бұрын
No Haiti cannot be saved as is. It can be rebuilt after a collapse though.
@cordellgue518
@cordellgue518 7 ай бұрын
Stop saying Ayiti is poor. The country is obviously underdeveloped and needs development from the people 🙄.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Yes, and that means that it is currently impoverished. There are real problems with the country that just don’t seem to be able to be fixed. It is a tragic situation.
@siphomogale779
@siphomogale779 7 ай бұрын
I think under USA Haiti can rise and tacke it's problems like gangs or facing disasters
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 7 ай бұрын
An additional bankrupt state to manage? I think not Cuba would have been better than Haiti.
@siphomogale779
@siphomogale779 7 ай бұрын
@@zurielsss Dominican Republic is doing well under USA which is the neighbour of Haiti , Cuba has it's own problems remember Fidel Castro used to send people to USA who didn't like Communist style
@jeffkardosjr.3825
@jeffkardosjr.3825 7 ай бұрын
Got lions amd tigers only in Kenya!
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
I want to bring to your attention that the comment made contains elements that can be perceived as racist. The statement, "Got lions and tigers only in Kenya!" is problematic because it perpetuates stereotypes and makes assumptions based on the speaker's perception of Kenya. It implies a narrow and inaccurate view of the country, associating it solely with wild animals like lions and tigers, which is not only factually incorrect but also reinforces racial stereotypes. Such comments contribute to the perpetuation of racial stereotypes and can be offensive by reducing a diverse and culturally rich country like Kenya to a simplistic and inaccurate representation. It's important to be mindful of language that reinforces stereotypes or makes assumptions about people based on their race or nationality.
@jeffkardosjr.3825
@jeffkardosjr.3825 4 ай бұрын
@@BadlyGoverned You have no sense of humor. Not to mention your comment is GPT generated.
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@jeffkardosjr.3825 Hey Jarod, it's important to realize that being a white man comes with certain advantages. While something might seem funny to you, it's crucial to know that racism is a serious issue and has hurt my community a lot. Taking a moment to understand your privilege helps make conversations more respectful and inclusive. It's important to be mindful of the impact of our words and actions, especially when it comes to sensitive topics like racism. Talking openly about these things can help everyone understand each other better and make positive changes.
@Vriedafes
@Vriedafes 7 ай бұрын
Donde dices que la isla se unificó en realidad fue que Haiti ocupó de manera violenta la parte de República Dominicana durante 22 ańos, por eso la República Dominicana luchó contra a Haití por su independencia. Haiti siempre fue una amenaza para República Dominicana ya que intentaron varias veces volver a ocuparla. Considero que hasta que los haitianos no cambien su modo de pensar, pueden haber miles de intervenciones y ayudas humanitarias, y siempre estarán hundidos en la miseria.
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@ReDo815 People in the Dominican Republic are upset about Haiti once ruling over them, but I always find it interesting and wonder why they aren't mad at Spain, which did way more harm to DR. But I supposed this would be complicated for Dominicans to answer; though. Look in the mirror.
@Vriedafes
@Vriedafes 4 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@BadlyGovernedes fácil de responder, aunque para ti no lo sea. La palabra dominicano viene de Santo Domingo de Guzmán, fundador de la orden de los Dominicos, proveniente de Espańa. Lo que somos hoy en día proviene también de espańoles. Nuestro idioma, religión, costumbres no te dice nada? Los Taínos son nuestros ancestros originales de la isla, pero también lo son los espańoles que llegaron a la isla, aparte de otras culturas que llegaron luego. Y si, y te lo vuelvo a repetir, los africanos que llegaron a la isla del lado que pertenecía a Francia, que hoy son los haitianos, siempre han querido toda la isla, y por eso el dominicano siempre vivirá vigilando cualquier amenaza, y no me importa que no te guste porque este es mi país, y si te gusta Haiti vete para allá y vive feliz como yo vivo muy feliz en mi bella República Dominicana, tierra de Dios. Veo que los dominicanos, junto con nuestro bello país, encendemos mucha envidia en mucha gente. Lastima. 😂
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
@@Vriedafes Judging from your response, it is clear that you are not well-informed about your own history and ancestry. Since it is not my responsibility to educate, I will leave that alone.
@Vriedafes
@Vriedafes 4 ай бұрын
@@BadlyGovernedy según tu la historia que cuentan en Haití es la correcta? Hagamos algo, quédate con tu teoría y yo me quedo con la realidad. Todos felices, total, lo que en realidad paso esta ahí, y por más que digas otra cosa eso no cambiará.
@clonezone1364
@clonezone1364 7 ай бұрын
I think it’s ridiculous that people are opposed to a UN Security Council intervention in Haiti on the grounds of anti-colonialism when those people don’t even live there and understand how grave the situation is. While I remain skeptical about the long-term implications of the mission, I’d argue that it’s better than the status quo of unrelenting gang violence against the civilian population.
@righteousness8606
@righteousness8606 7 ай бұрын
The guns the gangs are using are coming from the United States. They can simply stop the guns from coming to Haiti like the UN itself proposed..you don't need military intervention to solve this.
@Xanderex98
@Xanderex98 7 ай бұрын
There are many reasons why the Haitian people don’t want the UN in Haiti. they’ve never been helpful in finding the root causes of the country issues. And have committed crimes on the Haitian population such as the cholera outbreak, and sexually exploited and raped Haitian women and girls. Most of the problems that are happening in Haiti are caused by bourgeois/elites
@wamingo
@wamingo 7 ай бұрын
@marekcracovia4061 What's your bias? I could be mistaken, I'm no expert on the matter, but a quick lookup suggests that Haiti is significantly poorer, like 4x poorer per capita, than the other countries you mentioned, has no acting government and lives on substantial foreign aid. Western countries are paying for this. Maybe we'd like to see progress.
@emilepierre1663
@emilepierre1663 7 ай бұрын
3:11 “under France rule the territory prospered” Haiti was the DEADLIEST colonial on the planet under the wicked French… the life expectancy of my people on that hell of a plantation was three years. Estimated 1 million stained humans all for sugar and coffee…
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
Haiti, known as Saint-Domingue during the time of French colonial rule, was a prosperous colony for France due to its lucrative sugar, coffee, and indigo plantations. It was one of the wealthiest colonies in the Caribbean during the 18th century. The wealth generated from the colony significantly contributed to the economic prosperity of France. However, this prosperity came at a great human cost. The wealth was built on the brutal exploitation of enslaved Africans who were forced to work on the plantations under harsh conditions. The brutalities of slavery, coupled with social and racial inequalities, eventually led to a series of uprisings and the Haitian Revolution (1791-1804). The revolution was a pivotal event, resulting in Haiti becoming the first independent Black republic in the world. While Haiti gained its freedom, the aftermath of the revolution and its fight for independence left the country economically devastated and politically isolated. The reparations imposed on Haiti by France further burdened the nation, impacting its economic development for years to come. Another point to consider for Haiti's sustainability could be the idea of reparations or compensation from former colonial powers such as France (ceded to France from Spain by the Treaty of Ryswick in 1697 to end of the War of the Grand Alliance, during which time France brutalized the indigenous Taíno and African people and enslaved them, and raped the island of its resources which helped making France the prosperous country it is today) and Spain (King Ferdinand and Queen Isabell financed Christopher’s voyage, established the first colony, and exported our resources since the year 1492) and other nations like the USA and Canada for the historical extraction of resources from the island. This approach suggests that acknowledging and rectifying the historical exploitation of Haiti's resources could provide crucial financial support for the country's rebuilding efforts. By channeling retribution funds into sustainable development projects, Haiti may have the opportunity to invest in infrastructure, education, healthcare, and environmental initiatives. This could contribute to long-term economic stability, empower local communities, and address the systemic challenges that have persisted since the country's struggle for independence. The concept of reparations aims to rectify historical injustices and create a more equitable foundation for Haiti's sustainable future.
@tyronejoshua1613
@tyronejoshua1613 7 ай бұрын
The only country that can possibly contain the situation without numerous controversies is Kenya and i really appreciate Kenya's effort whether the intervention happens or not.
@bulldogrj5020
@bulldogrj5020 7 ай бұрын
??? Because Kenyan police/military have a great track record
@tyronejoshua1613
@tyronejoshua1613 7 ай бұрын
@@bulldogrj5020 considering almost all countries didnt want to get involved, plus considering it's policemen and woman being sent instead of soldiers as well as the help from neighbouring countries like Antigua and barbuda and Jamaica make it the preferable option.
@bulldogrj5020
@bulldogrj5020 7 ай бұрын
@@tyronejoshua1613 Kenya’s police force and military is essentially the same thing, which is why this is such a bad idea. Kenya is also in the anglophone sphere of Africa, if be surprised if any of the “policemen” Kenya is sending speak any French or Haitian Creole. This is a terrible idea and the people of Haiti do not want this force.
@seneca983
@seneca983 7 ай бұрын
@@tyronejoshua1613 Why Kenya specifically?
@perihelion7798
@perihelion7798 7 ай бұрын
Some States are not ready for self-determination - Haiti is one of those. Democracy must be built slowly. A form of marshal law should be imposed, and the country run under that strict form of governance. This is a kind of 'tough love', but is tainted by colonialist memories, and is hard to swallow for some. However, do you let the disturbed patients in a mental institute run the establishment? Nope. A structured and regulated environment is needed to stop the violence. Sadly, I see no real end in sight.
@gwendolinkirkegaard1812
@gwendolinkirkegaard1812 7 ай бұрын
Russia said sending a military force without a clear mandate must be thought through? Yeah no shit Sherlock. Sometimes I think all Russia does is satire
@Tedd0
@Tedd0 7 ай бұрын
insane how you gloss over the fact that Europe made Haiti pay over 150 million dollars (over 10 billion today) I think that has to be one of the main reasons why Haiti is so poor today..
@deansch6089
@deansch6089 7 ай бұрын
It's sad, but this effort feels destined to fail, just like all the others. Haiti has had over 200 years to get its act together and hasn't ever succeeded. During the American Revolution, Haiti was considered more valuable than all the mainland North American colonies combined. Now look. And the Haitian people have become victims of their own pride. When you have nothing but pride it's all the harder to swallow. Yet that's where they're at. They beg the UN for help, and when help is offered they spit on it and ask for money instead. Yet they've proven time and time again that any money will be mismanaged and stolen by the corrupt. "Fixing" Haiti will take decades of competent leadership - which is something Haiti's never demonstrated. I wish them well, but I have no optimism.
@josephfairchild4039
@josephfairchild4039 7 ай бұрын
200 years to "get its act together" by who's metric? Sure, they declared independence in 1805, but that was not the year they say the end of international and foreign intervention.. Their previous colonizers who they had to win independence from *both* militaristically and economically (unjustly having to pay France Billions), didn't recognize them for another ~20 years. The United States didn't recognize them until 1862, and we invaded and occupied them for 20 years in the early 20th century... Hardly seems to be entirely on them. Haiti is as much a Haitian political failure, as it is an international community failure, as it is unfortunate (natural disasters, etc). While I agree with your overall sentiment and many arguments, I feel it is unjust to label Haitians victims of their own pride or hubris. If anything, they have a solid track record of doing what is necessary to be free and prosper. Overthrowing France and paying them off, civilian uprisings to overthrow dictators, recovering after unimaginable disasters, holding democratic elections after generations of dictatorships or foreign occupations, etc. Haiti is a multifaceted issue and I feel most sentiment around it only focuses on the effects, rather than the root causes of the issues. It [Haiti] is held to the same bar by it's onlookers, while the world largely disregards how disproportionately far back their starting line was (and still is).
@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986
@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 7 ай бұрын
@@josephfairchild4039all the previous issues you labelled were over 100 years ago yet countries that haven’t been independent for half as long and suffered just as much have prospered and compared to Haiti literally everywhere on earth looks semi decent autumns have only themselves to blame for building literally nothing in centuries when others have done so much more in a matter of decades
@Heimatar
@Heimatar 6 ай бұрын
mybe if it was Ethiopia they would fix asap but kenyans lol
@AlaGoose09
@AlaGoose09 7 ай бұрын
They want the "colonialist" out, so stop trying to help them. Let them deal with it.
@screamindemon9324
@screamindemon9324 7 ай бұрын
Beef!!
@hughjass1044
@hughjass1044 7 ай бұрын
Complete waste of time and resources. This is the "Do something!!" crowd in action and the only thing they're going to "do" is make matters worse. Every single foreign intervention in Haiti has failed miserably and this one will too. This is a Haitian problem and it must ultimately be solved by Haitians. Either that or go in hard with a 1/2 million combat troops and take over. And since no one in their right mind would do that, just stay home and forget about it.
@prion42
@prion42 7 ай бұрын
Yep. Wish we could do something. But if the Haitian people aren't going to accept foreign intervention, then they'll have to sort themselves.
@Thecrownswill
@Thecrownswill 7 ай бұрын
Intervention isnt Kenyas job. Its Americas. We have no excuses for not having occupied Haiti a long time ago.
@wizthegod
@wizthegod 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely zero mention of the fact that the Haitian population generally blame the UN directly for the cholera outbreak. This is a very choice omission by James Ker-Lindsay here, as it plays a very big part in why the Haitian public are mistrusting of the UN and have been unwilling to once again let in outside help. I know the UN has had (and will have) a mammoth and difficult job here in providing help and assistance to the struggling Haitians, but fair blame where blame is due. Even if one still thinks the UN was not to blame for the outbreak (despite the UN's own reports) local perceptions are still extremely important to any peace-keeping mission, and it is naive to think this new deployment of Kenyan forces would be perceived by most local Haitians without heavy scepticism. The UN (as an institution and as a critically important body upholding international law), is in need of far more support from the global public than it generally gets, but it is also not healthy to ignore its failings.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. Don’t always blame omission on bias. There was a lot I didn’t and couldn’t cover. This is the nature of these videos. But it’s also worth pointing out that disease will occur in places where there is extreme poverty and health and sanitary infrastructure has broken down, such as Haiti. And theories will abound about the role of outsiders, especially where there is already mistrust. (I also didn’t go into the terrible cases of abuse by the UN.) So, yes, there is mistrust. You are right. But, ultimately, the point still stands. Can this new mission hope to succeed.
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 7 ай бұрын
Disease happen when the weather is warm and hygiene is terrible. You are blaming the wrong people. The outbreak is a by product of a failed state. The UN didn’t go around spreading cholera
@user-zk6wr6rj6p
@user-zk6wr6rj6p 7 ай бұрын
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@nathanolson3135
@nathanolson3135 7 ай бұрын
How long has Haiti been sanctioned, why and by who ????
@NelsonKC
@NelsonKC 7 ай бұрын
Haiti is Doomed can't be saved.
@shakarafulford8723
@shakarafulford8723 7 ай бұрын
Wow, you sad Turks and Caicos. Not much people know about TURKS.
@FlamingBasketballClub
@FlamingBasketballClub 7 ай бұрын
This sounds like a short term solution to me Professor.
@randomman9629
@randomman9629 7 ай бұрын
France need to pay some of that money back to haiti,thats the right thing to do.
@mobmotivation6797
@mobmotivation6797 7 ай бұрын
Haiti should just let France come back to rule them clearly they cant do it themselves
@moustachio05
@moustachio05 7 ай бұрын
France can't seem to run themselves either
@mobmotivation6797
@mobmotivation6797 7 ай бұрын
@@moustachio05 depends france still much better although it is declining
@julienjeanmuller
@julienjeanmuller 7 ай бұрын
Glad I'm Haitian and Know my history 😂. Because this Video was ....
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
That says nothing to other viewers. If I got things wrong then say how. Otherwise, all this says is that you didn’t like what I said, not that it was incorrect.
@julienjeanmuller
@julienjeanmuller 7 ай бұрын
@JamesKerLindsay You said Aristide Fled to the US after the coup.... said Coup was Orchestrated by the US. He was kidnapped by them. So I was just supprimer when you said he Fled.
@guarocuya3514
@guarocuya3514 7 ай бұрын
It can't be save, erosions,water,forests,populations and way of life make it impossible unless whole populations move to Senegal for about 100 years until the country heal itself it sound bad but is the only way.😔
@RICARDOELDOMINICANO
@RICARDOELDOMINICANO 7 ай бұрын
live forever in Senegal
@iany2448
@iany2448 7 ай бұрын
Haiti is a case study of a people incapable of managing its own affairs. The latest UN mission is just another cosmetic band-aid to deep rooted problems. At this juncture, only establishing a self-sustainable economic development model can lead to long term societal and political stability.
@BadlyGoverned
@BadlyGoverned 4 ай бұрын
I understand your perspective, and it's essential to highlight that there are indeed many individuals and communities, including Haitians and others, who genuinely care about what is happening in Haiti. Contrary to the notion that Haiti has been written off, there are numerous instances of active engagement and concern. For instance, various humanitarian organizations, both local and international, consistently work towards addressing the challenges faced by Haiti. Additionally, the Haitian diaspora is actively involved in discussions, initiatives, and support networks aimed at bringing positive change to their homeland. Social media campaigns, grassroots movements, and collaborative efforts among concerned individuals demonstrate a shared commitment to raising awareness about Haiti's issues and advocating for meaningful solutions. While your video may not have received the expected attention, it's important to acknowledge the existing care and concern within various communities, dispelling the notion that Haiti is entirely overlooked. Emphasizing these examples can provide a more balanced perspective on the genuine interest and efforts dedicated to supporting Haiti. Furthermore, it's essential to acknowledge the significant role played by the Haitian diaspora, which is a source of success stories and a crucial element in driving societal change in Haiti. Many members of the diaspora have achieved success in various fields and possess valuable skills, resources, and insights that can contribute to the country's development. Removing barriers that hinder the effective engagement of the diaspora can be instrumental in leveraging this human capital and resources for the benefit of Haiti. By fostering stronger connections between the diaspora and local initiatives, there is a potential for catalyzing positive change, whether through investment, knowledge exchange, or collaborative projects aimed at addressing the root causes of the challenges Haiti faces. Empowering the Haitian diaspora to actively participate in the country's development efforts can be a transformative step towards creating a more self-sustainable and stable Haiti. Moreover, it's crucial to emphasize that Haitian people are more than capable of managing their own affairs, and this capability is evident in the successes of individuals within the Haitian diaspora, particularly in the United States. Here is a list of accomplished Haitian individuals who extend beyond various fields. The list showcases the diversity of talent within the Haitian community: • Ralph Gilles: Award-winning automotive designer, currently serving as the Head of Design for Stellantis. • Michaëlle Jean: Former Governor General of Canada and Secretary-General of the Organisation internationale de la Francophonie. • Claudine Gay: Esteemed social scientist, currently serving as the Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Harvard University. • Francis Suarez: Mayor of Miami, demonstrating leadership and governance in a major U.S. city. • Jean-Baptiste Point du Sable: Often credited as the founder of Chicago, contributing significantly to the establishment of the city. • Wyclef Jean: Renowned musician, actor, and activist. • Edwidge Danticat: Award-winning author and activist. • Gary Victor: Respected novelist and playwright. • Dr. Henri Ford: Renowned pediatric surgeon and academic leader. • Michèle Pierre-Louis: Former Prime Minister of Haiti and advocate for women's rights. These individuals exemplify the talent, leadership, and capability that Haitians possess, both within Haiti and as part of the global diaspora. Highlighting such success stories underscores the potential for positive change when barriers are addressed and resources are effectively harnessed. These individuals not only showcase the breadth of talent within the Haitian community but also underscore the capacity for leadership and influence on a global scale. Their achievements serve as inspiring examples of the potential for positive change and impact. Please note that this list excludes our forefathers and several other Haitian entrepreneurs.
@randomman9629
@randomman9629 7 ай бұрын
America want haiti to stay the way it is ,they can fix haiti in one week 😂😂😂😂
@bilic8094
@bilic8094 7 ай бұрын
How much better is the Dominican it's seems much better ?
@randomman9629
@randomman9629 7 ай бұрын
@bilic8094 yes you right ,Dominican brought drugs to america that's why they were able to build Santiago airport ,please do your reasearch.
@dylanf3108
@dylanf3108 7 ай бұрын
The US would be internationally condemned for an invasion. It would face massive backlash regionally. Won’t happen.
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 7 ай бұрын
No they can’t. USA went there before and it always fall back into a failed state. Americans also don’t want a failed Haiti, fail states tends to export illegal immigrants into USA
@kleanthdruga5529
@kleanthdruga5529 7 ай бұрын
Did not watch the video, but following the story of Haiti through the years, reading articles etc. NO, it cannot be saved! Sending humanitarian aid or military intervention will be a total waste of resources!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay 7 ай бұрын
Shame. Clicking on it and then clicking off actually does the video harm as it means that KZfaq regards it as poor quality. I spend a lot of time researching and making them. It’s unfair it gets hindered in this way (on a subject that it’s hard enough to get people to be interested in anyway).
@kleanthdruga5529
@kleanthdruga5529 7 ай бұрын
@JamesKerLindsay Did not mean to minimize your work. I have watched many of your videos. I have no doubt you did a very good job providing in detail the situation to people not familiar with the subject. My point was beside that.
@fireman3857
@fireman3857 7 ай бұрын
Wonder why BLM is not doing something about this?
@ekkolima
@ekkolima 7 ай бұрын
If france and the West wouldnt have drained Haiti over the last 200+ years, maybe the gang violence and poverty wouldn't exist.. Not to mention the arms dealers and their countries of origin profitting as a result. Haiti has large reserves of gold and oil of which the people must be kept in a state of instability as for them to not be self reliant.
@eldios831
@eldios831 7 ай бұрын
Kenya has a lot of extra man power....even if 1000 dont return ...we can still mobilize 1000 recruits in a few hours....people are jobless....and our mantra here is "kazi ni kazi" ....so dont worry we got this
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