Depends who your teacher is I think 😂🙏

@@SenseiSeth …. Also depends who the student is.

I respect the way you and some of the other people you often collaborate with are willing to try things that you have no personal experience with to give them a fair try. If you got something useful out of a single day, keep at it, during the sparring if you had gotten position as you used your new tools you’d have noticed even more functionality.

@@SenseiSeth doesn't Anderson Silva use it?

Go fight with wing chun in MMA

The whole form over function reminded me of arguments that would happen on martial arts discussion groups back in the 90's where Wing Chun guys would get into internet arguments over what angle their fore-arm should make with their upper arm in certain postures like bong sau, etc. It was crazy.

The point that Kevin made about the holding the swords is a clue to how it all went so wrong for traditional martial arts. When the martial arts first came to the west, people asked questions like "why should I take this class? What is it for?" The easiest answer to those kind of questions is "self defense", but the problem is that martial arts almost always involves weaponry, and we don't carry weapons around for self defense these days. The word "martial" means military, and most styles have some connection to military training, even if it's way back in history. The goals and methods of military style training are very different from self defense or sports competition. That being said, I would still rather be a Kung Fu guy in a MMA match than a MMA guy on an ancient battlefield.

@@killersalmon4359 lmao that happened? Would’ve loved to witness that

Seems much better than those Wing Chun master from China

@@ambulocetusnatans Well said. The martial arts styles that are highly favored these days and that usually get used in mma are almost all developed in a post military/weapon society and with some safety gear in mind like gloves. The older arts instead of adapting and changing became more esoteric and theoretical because they lose their chief application.

What were the things that stood out to you? If you still remember any details...thank you!

@@screamtheguy6425 It was a super constructive sparring match. The guy was polite, encouraging, and had insanely solid punches. He brought a full contact helmet with him and offered to let me borrow it. I'm not used to wearing a helmet while sparring so I declined. It was older (not olympic) TKD vs what I believe to be legit Wing Chun, at a small kung fu school my TKD instructor and I were visiting. (He was also visiting, and was the only guy there. He was the first person I sparred with that day.) I couldn't match his punching speed with my blocks, he saw this and encouraged me to use my kicks. I tried to focus on combos. I definitely believe he had more years of training than I did at the time. We both learned from it and he told me to not give up on my dreams. I'll never forget that day or that guy, and the Wing Chun style will always have my respect. ^_^

I really liked your comment. I have always been fascinated with it. It looks amazing but just didn’t see the application as being reasonable to use in a real situation. I am more interested now that I seen the video and read through some comments. Thanks

I mostly spar with other martial arts practitioners in order to steal their techniques and ideas to improve my own.

​@@pianoandguitarlover2773 that is a great way of expanding

Ayo damn, cant wait to see shane make a boxing mix wingchun vid(kidding)

The guy on the vid doing Wing Chun, kinda looked like Connor Mcgregor upon sparring. Do you agree? I think he did ok.

The concepts are cool but are hard to apply. Bruce Lee spoke about being like water but showed us quite the opposite as he was full of tension. Ultimately to make Wing Chun work one has to be very relaxed and it is probably not something that should be used when squaring off with a prepared fighter. Not that that is ever a really smart thing to do anyway. I do find it interesting that athletic fighters attack soft pads in their workouts while Wing Chun people attack what is basically a telephone pole.

The wing chun focus on using adapted response to any attack. But it is really hard and long to condition yourself and be able to improvise the technics effectively. I am not saying it' is a better martial art : in fact, focusing on technics that is probably not efficient in short terms, and a bit useless if there is not enough physical work out against really stronger opponent. The style is great to learn a good back posture usefull in a lot of situations, and the technics are very interesting too.

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Probably practiced while fishing.

A lot of these southern martial arts developed in urban areas as well among triad groups. Wing Chun and its related styles would have primarily been used for shanking people in alleys back in the day lol. Monkey Steals Peach has an excellent video on southern styles

I see it as a modified horse stance like you see on karate, TKD, and long fist to name a few

actually wing chun was developed on spaceships of ancient aliens, balance is very hard on space and 0 gravity could throw you off balance hence why they focus so much on a stable stance

the stance is just a stable mathematical position for the body it's not "use 100% of the time or you are doing it wrong" type of deal

I mean didnt kevin say at some point that the style is meant to be with daggers or smaller style blades in both hands?

@@CoffeeZombi-ATL1 Yep, exactly. But it's since evolved into a way to fight empty handed in confined or crowded spaces. But people bring knives into narrow alley street fights, so that's where some of the criticism comes in.

It's funny you should mention that. My main area of training is Wing Chun, but I've delved into HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts)...there's a lot of crossover in principles between Wing Chun and a lot of early surviving european sword styles. A lot of the structures of Wing Chun (specifically when Kevin is talking about how he can have his guard with palm down, palm up, and vertical hands) are based on a sort of cone structure...you find the same thing in I;33 sword and buckler, a lot of German longsword, quite a few rapier styles; all sorts of weapons ranging from the 1300s to the 1600s. You even get technique crossover. When Kevin is describing Lop Sao, what he's describing is very similar to a technique called Zorn Hau Ort in German longsword

@@bladeofhel Yeah I've watched a lot of HEMA videos online and that's where I got the sword fighting comparison from. Good to hear some specific examples though!

I've been interested in (never really practicing though) Wing Chun for a lont time, but I'd never really thought of that until watching this video, when he said that I thought of specifically fencing with a rapier which has a similar philosophy of redirecting incoming strikes with your own as Wing Chun and I had just never made the connection

I was impressed, especially after having only one “informal” lesson in Wing Chun 😂

Factual I always try to represent Chinese kung fu as a Chinese person I feel like it’s sad to see my martial arts / culture be shunned in in the community martial arts is a set of tools gotta use em right

​@@zaae199yes, what people on the Internet don't understand. The Chinese fighting arts are actually very effective but there are tons of people who have only been taught the forms but don't know the true application of the techniques. Especially the internal arts , they do stuff lots of people have never seen.

As an asian person who loves martial arts, I just hate it when people do our way of fighting wrong and everyone ends up calling it "Bullshido" ...pain

Well said 🙌🏼

i think you mean wang chung

Anderson Silva, Tony Ferguson and Jon Jones all use Wing Chun techniques in their fights. Zhang Weili, Song Yadong and Zabit use various forms of Kungfu too.

@@silveriver9 Why do you cultists keep pretending professional fighters train WC. Name one single WC coach at any of those guys' gyms. There are none. You clowns are just trying to spread cult lies because you yourselves can't actually fight.

@@silveriver9 haha funny.. Exactly the same 3 that came to my mind!!! They use a hella lot of it too!!!! Coincidentally they're my favourite fighters xD. ONe could argue that they use Wing Chun in the 'jeet kune do' type of way. But it's still Wing Chun of course

@@silveriver9 I have searched for this footage many times yes :D especially the Anderson Silva footage is out of this world, in my opinion. But all three of them are fabulous.

My MMA gym doesn't teach wing Chun, but they do teach a lot of parrying, but mainly to learn not to parry too much lol. It's definitely frustrating to get parried. It's a very useful tool if you don't overuse it.

@@southtxguitarist8926 I'm glad times have changed!

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I heard Kevin is also in Silat as well. I've seen some of his videos doing Silat, so idk if he trains or already mastered it as well.

Can they beat mike tyson now?

How can I find a good teacher? What should I look for?

@@szubal Well you might be limited by the number of wing chun dojos in your area. I dont know where in the world you are located, but if you have a choice between different teachers, I would say look to the one that seems the most honorable. That might sound cliche' but for real, you never want to learn from someone who encourages violence or seems to have an inflated ego. Find someone who seems highly skilled but with a calm, patient, evolved personality. I also look for authenticity. I look for a dojo that focuses on one very specific style of martial like wing chun, as opposed to someplace with a name like "something something martial arts center." If you're looking to learn MMA, thats obviously a different story, but wing chun is a very old Chinese martial art and so I would say look for a sifu who seems very respectful and centered. If the teacher seems like they like to show off, or gets offended easily, find somewhere else. That's just how I look for a master. Hope this helps!

@@john0803 ehhh, i dont know about that. Mike is long since retired but probably still extremely fast

​@szubal there are many styles within Wing Chun from different interpretations along different lineages. I find you can't go far wrong with a teacher from the Wong Shun Leung lineage (WSL) such as Gary Lamb or Wang Kam Leung

I loved that show!

That was a great show, solid telly :)

I forgot about that show. It was really good!

Me as well! Was a show that really got me back into training.

Best martial arts show of all time

Yes, this is it exactly. I came to the same conclusion from the other direction. I started doing longsword and grappling is pretty common, so I've picked up a bit of wrestling...the first time I did that basic pummeling drill, the underhook overhook shoulder to shoulder one (I still have no idea what it's actually called) I was like "this is chi sao, but at the shoulders."

So many kung fu forms are just air wrestling which is then misunderstood and taught as basic striking.

Using Chi Sau and playing with Wrestlers trying to weave through my guard to take the back of my head from a standing position was fun. By just discussing the principles of the Chi Sau defence/counter without teaching them any form, they adapted their skillset to the ideas super quickly and the 'sensitivity' drills helped their passing of defending arms so much better.

Well said

I 💯💯 agree! I use a lot of Wing Chun in my hand fights and it really helps me to get into better positions!

That’s nice, getting hit in a fight is basically a fact, so you did pretty well! Did you lay him?

and u still cant fight weeb

I think the major thing is that you actually DO spar. I did wing chun for a while and we had hard sparring rounds every session. This is where I learned to actually fight (after having done capoeira for my whole childhood/youth). It took me years to realize that most wing chun schools actually did not teach any practical fighting knowledge but just form and brainwash.

@@karimshebeika8010 I've been to 4 different Wing Chun schools in 2 different cities and only one of them (the one I'm at now) teaches sparring. That's such a waste honestly....

@@karimshebeika8010 that's a lot of dojos I think

@@yopomdpin6285 I think it depends on what you want. If you want to be a fighter, then of course sparring is invaluable. But for self-defense you don't want to necessarily spar all the time.

@@kbanghart even for self defense you need regular sparring cause that's how you put in practice the theory and technique training. Sure you probably need less than someone who wants to be a full-fighter, but it's still 100% necessary if you want to apply it to more realistic scenario. The only time sparring isn't needed is if you're just training to exercise your body

You can also just swing down in someone’s collar bone. It only takes less than 15 lbs of pressure to break it which results in them no longer being able to lift their arm. It’s also the most commonly broken bone. I often see it with Motocross or BMX falls, or skateboarders falling.

@@lutador13 Seatbelts often break collarbones in car crashes also... I mainly meant the pure badassery of making someone hurt themselves by trying to hit you.. When you can win a fight without throwing a punch, they probably don't want to find out what happens when you actually start swinging... Kind of like the old trick of slipping a haymaker to the outside (usually from a drunk guy who has all his weight behind it) and leaving your leg in front of them so they trip and look stupid... Maybe it's just me but I think there is nothing more badass than being 100% defense in a fight and just making your opponent hurt themselves...

@@lutador13 Or even just having good head movement and dodging everything until they are too tired to keep throwing punches... There is a video by FightSmartTrav (How to win a street fight with simple head movement) from like 10 years ago of him taking some gloves out on the street and letting random people try to hit him while he dodges and slips everything...

The problem is if you miss the technique, which is the most likely scenario, they hit you. That's not a smart way to fight. You have almost no ability to control anything your opponent does. High risk moves end in failures.

@@MrBottlecapBill That's why i mentioned your opponent being untrained... People who don't know how to fight telegraph everything and are extremely predictable... I aim for some parries and redirects when I spar, but it is always accompanied with head movement so I have a backup plan...

That's a pretty decent assessment I grew up studying Wing Chun boxing in Middle School some kickboxing but I'm not a fan of high kicks personally. The way Muay Thai uses the front kick and hook kick is very similar to the Side Kick application in Wing Chun/JKD the lung punch in boxing is also good to make up for range... The chain punch how they're throwing it only really works in a combo close range like side kick chain punch (2 punches) elbow (3 punch) opposite arm....front kick chain punch hammer fist/backfist etc. The defense of chain punch is used with a pax sau. You do sacrifice speed with the wider circle but you have defense and it is much easier to execute with boxing gloves. Essentially the speed bag is a bigger circle as well and gloves make it harder to trap.. no palm to the neck to control the body. A lot of Wing Chun practitioners haven't trained to know their disadvantages when putting on gloves... A boxer will immediately know the difference when they put on smaller gloves cuz they can't guard the same. The opposite needs to be done for Wing Chun!

The less powerful is not a matter if they would be bare knuckled (like in an actual street fight). One first hit for disorientation with a follow up and most people would be done. Also your supposed to use the opponents energy and moment for your purpose. E.g. a covered straight kick to the top of the knee, when the opponent is attacking with the hands while closing in on you. Not something you could even try in sparring, since it would be to dangerous to cripple the opponent...

Yeah, because Wing Chun was originally created by a woman. It is usually used for physically weaker people to defend themselves without having to use muscles.

Your observation actually makes sense, considering that Wing Chun was created by a nun, Ng Mui

I think it looks like an absolute scam, things like chain punches are not only worse than other similar martial art punches, they're actually worse than an untrained fighter's punches. Paying money to learn that?

Kinetic energy is 1/2m • v². That means that both mass aswell as velocity play a role in the energy of strikes. Velocity however by a higher margin. Momentum vs Technique is not a good way to say it. All fighting sports require proper technique to be executed well. However there are some that give you more freedom whether to strike fast or hard like boxing. Whereas in Wing Chun you prioritize velocity. Technique is needed in every sport.

I’d also like to point out that wing chin focuses a lot on bone alignment. That’s another reason why there’s not a lot of swinging kicks or punches. A lot of the power comes from the fact that nothing bends in the punches or has to be balanced by using muscle to make a struck powerful.

Anyone can do it if they are in tune with their body, have a passion for it and can learn.

@@koudacyen its still impressive to learn the skills in one day and then apply it in sparring, sparring

@@isaiahsaavedra6242 OK

Hahaha

Nah he probably loves TKD, just not the dojos or the way they train lol

He practices Taekwondo alone in his room at night to no one catches him

@@jestfullgremblim8002 yea that just seems to be one of the running jokes he has made videos with atleast one taekwondo instructor before xD

@@yuritrasimaco5201 yes deep down he knows that kicks are all you need (:

this kind of WC i want to learn.

So u did jeet kun do 😂

@@fteambjj wingchun is jkd but intercepting and with kicks

@@Imjustspeakingmymind no, it isn't. the footwork is quite different. master lee took took influence from boxing and fencing to put into his jkd. jkd is meant for mobility

The only thing it need is some Muay Thai leg action. This would make a great addition to any of both martial arts

I’d still take boxing over WC. I’d say learn boxing first then try to modernize WC. I’d like to see this WC master spar a boxer striking only rules.

Until you get taken to the ground and have your arm broken or choked out

At the 10-second mark in this video, you'll see me use chain-punches for exactly that purpose ... a defensive flurry to his face that bought me time to recover, and also brought his arms up high, which opened him up for a belly-kick: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grVjda16q5bJmmg.html

@@johnathanl487 I'm not technically against what you are saying, boxing will teach you plenty, but why finish your thought with: "I'd like to see this WC master spar a boxer, while taking away half of his style, because I want to see them do boxing, just with WC, so I don't actually want WC to be used ...". How does that make any sense :D. There are few kicks in WC true, but they are important part of the style and I assume elbow blocking is not allowed in boxing? So what's the point of this test? :D To prove that boxer is better at boxing under the boxing competition rules? I can tell you they are without the test :D.

Good point. Somebody else mentioned that they were taking Judo and Jujutsu at the same time to get a more well rounded view, and I studied Hapkido and Aikijutsu for the same reason. I think it would be good for all Wing Chun people to look outside of the Ip Man branches. It isn't easy to find a non-Ip Man style Wing Chun school, but certain branches of Crane style blend well with Wing Chun, and some of the older styles of Karate could also be helpful.

That's not on Ip Man but the teachers that came after him. Ip Man's students were famous in Hong Kong for being good fighters and for fighting anyone anywhere. The problem came after Wing Chun became famous and teachers wanted more students, pretty much the TKD effect with the McDojos. It happens to all martial arts that become famous.

@@Mcgiver699 If you read his son's biography on him, it's clear that how Wing Chun is taught now is a direct result of Ip Man's teaching method.

It is the same process that happened with Tai Chi. It cam from a more martial art, but to make the rest more accessible it pushed most of the martial out of it.

@@southtxguitarist8926 To be fair to strikers, the rules eliminated 90% of their most efficient defenses to grappling "for safety reasons". If you try a double leg take down at no holds barred you get an elbow to the spine.

I read your entire comment and I pretty much agree 100% my solution to fixing the weaknesses of Wing Chun is to mix it with other martial arts P.S. I train for mixed martial arts and self defense and love Wing Chun an martial arts in general

You bring up a good point, but it's not true 100 percent of the time. A lot of martial arts train to fight other martial artists, but it's a whole differnt story out "in the streets" as they say. Untrained fighters can be unpredictable, and won't follow the rules. One of my old teachers used to say " A lot more back belts get hurt by white belts than the other way arouind." and from what I've seen, it's just as true in the alley as it is in the Dojo.

The footwork from old English pugilism complements wing Chun and xing yi very well.

Okay… then still, to hell with wing chun, I’m just going to do kickboxing because I don’t need to “complement” it with anything.

@@peterwang5660 This video was anything but wing chun. It’s just a kickboxing session. Kickboxing is a good start

Yep I've been saying this to many people yet they still don't give wing chun a second try, mainly because of how alot of wing chun shool trains only drill and no sparring

Hell, classical pugilism in general bears a lot of striking (heh) resemblances to Wing Chun, due to the classical Fencing influences on it. (And the heavy emphasis on centerline theory along with it.) (I'm not a pugilist, but from what I've seen it seems the material from the mid-1800s to the turn of that century is where this resemblance peaked.)

that because propaganda MMA, they need to make traditional martial art look bad

Indeed, I made quite a few sparing with people doing boxing, muay thai or kick boxing and the vertical punches, when you aim the chin and put weight on it have a tendency to pass through in between the gloves. That's super dumb but my glove are 17 cm wide when I punch horizontally and 10 cm wide when I punch vertically, that's enough to go in the gap you have in most boxer guard

@@malakatan3235 It's not propaganda. It's just significantly more effective than any single traditional martial art, because it takes the most effective parts of the most effective martial arts and discards the fluff. It is evolution at work. Also, and this is most important, most real fights between more or less equally matched opponents will eventually end up on the ground and styles like WC and others like it, are worthless for that.

Sweeeet

Well let me just explain wing chun has a simply different mindset. The idea is that if you’re defending the lives of your family, if you go down, you family is dead. If you go down, your friend is dead, if you go down, your gf is dead. That’s the whole idea behind the less powerful strikes is because there is much less risk involved when you don’t commit your body so much into your one strike, and just letting your other hand go Willy nilly until you can rotate your shoulders to get another powerful shot. With that being said, wing chun is based off of the balance of give and take. Weak and strong. Those quick and less powerful techniques are to be used in combination with heavy hooks, uppercuts, and strong straight punches where we turn the entire body into. Wing chun has hooks and uppercuts 🤯 and everything in between too. Take-downs, wrestling escapes, and chokes are all in the wing chun forms, the problem is finding an instructor well informed enough to be able to instill that into you. Thank you for having an open mind!

A lot of chinese martial arts were actually created in response to weapons rather than just fist fights. Some of the movements look strange, they seemed to open up lots of spaces if you are fighting unarmed combatants, but they are designed to close the distance between fighter and the armed assailant. Historically, it was the peasants versus the soldiers.... everywhere, not just in Asia

Hmmm, interesting… I’ll take a note of that.

This is true of most traditional martial arts. Historically weapons training was the main thing to practice and unarmed was an extension of that. It was much easier and faster to adapt the armed techniques to work empty handed, than have a completely different style just for empty handed. The assumption (that's often forgotten or ignored nowadays) is that you only fight barehanded as a last resort. When you do it's very unlikely that your opponent is also barehanded. These are not meant for competition or gentlemanly boxing (I count barehand street fights as gentlemanly boxing here). These are meant to keep you alive in a life or death fight, and in a situation like that it's very rare that neither participant has nothing to use as a weapon.

wouldn't you want to pick between a 250lb boxer and 250lb wing chun expert?

Hey, thats what i think too after research and training in this martial art

Nothing in this video indicates that wing chun is actually useful in a fight, though.

@@Mmmmilo or actual history

@@Mmmmilo well the parrying was espcially thatbforearm parry is interesting, if someone with no gloves on hits there, there is a good chance they've broken their hand.

@@Mmmmilo MMA fighters used it

Kevin Le teaches wing chun in a pratical way to be used in fight Some instructor and school sadly teaches in a way so you can be the best dancer.

Honestly, if you train it to learn how to fight/defend yourself, switch to something actually viable, like boxing. If you do it just for fun, then nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend you are learning actually useful skills.

@@SwordWieldingDuck Boxing is for sure the best thing you can train to win a boxing match, but if you mean "viable" as in self defense, then you need to stop deluding yourself first, before giving the advice to others :D. We are talking punches, blocks, deflects, kicks, takedowns, grappling and weapons in self defense and you are talking: "boxers punch hard == viable" which feels kinda clownish. And ofc WC doesn't give you all of that either, you should cross-train, it's still bit more versatile than boxing though. If we measure power punch strength only ... and I'm not sure why should we ... boxers have the edge though, for sure. PS: to give you a clue of how I apply that in my own life. I trained karate goju ryu in the past, HEMA, iaido and I was taught informally some nice joint locks from aikido. I also learned how to handle firearms very early in my life, but I don't carry. If I start I will practice draw drills for sure, otherwise it's just a paperweight on your belt. Now I'm practicing WC and I'm really badly out of shape, so I'm mostly trying to get flexibility, strength and endurance back. When I do I want to do boxing once a week, but keep practicing wing chun. If I stick to the training, I want to drop boxing in a year or two and start practicing BJJ 1x - 2x a week still alongside wing chun. And after all that I wouldn't call myself "viable" still. Because it's still not all there is to it to actually defend yourself :D. Boxing is like 5% of it.

@@AdamTuxTengler boxing doesn't only teach you how to punch hard though, it also teaches you how to punch fast, in combinations, how to punch from different angles, how to dodge punches via footwork and head movement. And it is by far more effective that wing Chun for an actual fight, though I do agree that it is not as useful as some other arts that have more tools, such as Muay Thai or sambo and many more. Also punching is definitely way more than 5% of fighting, look at MMA fights, punches are almost always what is done the most.

@@AdamTuxTengler If we’re talking about it being used in a self-defence situation, Muay Thai is by far the best striking art.

I am so fascinated by the current dogma that most martial arts never worked well. Honestly I can't think of a single really traditional art that doesn't work. People can say TKD or aikido, but those are modern.

@@emilianosintarias7337 Very true. I think we need to remember that these techniques were developed for people who had to fight other people, with melee weapons, to the death. As modern people I don't think we can truly comprehend that world. In olden times, they did spar, and mostly with weapons, but wouldn't be able to test everything out in sparring without killing each other. Most "traditional" martial arts are taking traditional techniques, but training them in a different way with a different context.

@@anonperson3972 In a sense it is modern martial arts, like boxing or BJJ that are fake. though that includes traditional martial arts practiced now in modern times, also fake. Not saying this is the way to look at it, but just following the logic of those who think traditional arts are less really effective. The reason martial arts are taught in gyms with street front windows, that accept anyone who will pay, and have no secrets, is because they are completely useless for public security or warfare. A 12 year old in a sports car would destroy any UFC champ on foot. You can call the cops and shut down any martial arts school, Imagine trying to do that in the 13th century

@@anonperson3972 as a TMA myself can I provide a massively cynical take? TMA can likely be broken into two categories: Warfare and Theoretical. All that's needed for the latter system to be passed on is to survive. This can mean that it beat other systems through a sort of natural selection but it can also just mean they got lucky(survivorship bias.) Meanwhile certain systems had to be iterated and improved upon for the sake of battle. JJJ for example was a compliment to Kenjutsu. Sparring, winning, etc. with JJJ was as much a part of dueling culture as swordsmanship(and it was expected to carry into the battlefield as a last last resort.) It had been persistently tested and iterated on for a massive period of time (interestingly implying a rejection of a single given tradition.) The end result? It holds up really well. On the other hand... JJJ was designed to be used as a "compliment for another system", so it shouldn't be surprising that it (and it's derivations) are well suited for mixed-systems.

@@xX-fd2qj I think I see your point and agree. It comes back to context. JJJ is not actually a complete martial art and is now being practiced out of its original context without the other elements that it was traditionally surrounded by. In the case of JJJ, armed combat.

You make a very good point. A lot of the criticism I see levelled against wing chun is complaints it's no good for MMA fights, which have a certain set of conventions and rules, and everyone who takes part is a seasoned fighter; whereas wing chun was originally designed by a smaller, weaker person who is not a fighter or athlete, to use against a larger stronger opponent; to take down an attacker trying to kill you as quickly and efficiently as possible, usually using the element of surprise when one is seemingly defenseless (which is ruined if you step into a ring expected to fight and announce your style), then run as soon as you've incapacitated your opponent enough to get away from them. For this purpose, wing chun is effective; but that isn't very applicable towards fighting as a form of entertainment (unless the person doing it is Donnie Yen ;)

Nah mma gloves are perfect for WC

​@fionatsang9353 doesnt suprise help with most fighting styles?

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Cmon bro. The only "real teacher" is ip man.

I couldn't agree more

@@MrMancreatedgod those movies were a mistake, they forced a huge market onto the wing Chun community proving disastrous for its development and reputation when frauds get their nose disfigured for their ignorance.

oh man my friend is a wing chun elitist xD he’a not necessarily down on other fighting styles, he’s just seen too many MMA meatballs who don’t have strong technique outside of punching.

Yeah, I also use chi sao during Judo randori. Works best for me 😅👍

@@jplatosa3810 I thought Chi Sau was just a drill. How do you apply it in sparring?

@@kermit1211 the purpose of Chi Sau is to develop sensitivity to an opening to strike and also incoming force in the arms. This development of sensitivity allows one to be able to redirect or perform a trap purely by feel, rather than see, think, react. So, it's kind of a drill but also not really because both people are constantly searching for an opening in their partners "defence" to use that term, which will lead to a strike or to redirect incoming force. So, you'll see video of people doing chi sau and it looks like they're just rolling and nothing much is happening but there's a lot going on, it's just like a constant state of equilibrium because the force applied by each person is constantly being redirected and neither are presenting an opening and so the cycle goes on until a "mistake" is made and a strike will go through. It's hard to explain but you're essentially training your arms to strike forward or redirect incoming force "by themselves" without consciously thinking about it.

@@kermit1211 It is just a drill, but every bit of it is a position you might wind up in from somewhere else. The section of the video that talks about Lop Sao for example, that's a position you hit during a basic roll with double handed chi sao...it's a pretty easy position to end up in with Wing Chun, but you have a bunch of options from there. The purpose of Chi Sao as a drill is to teach you to feel what that's like and to train reactions from that position. Have you ever done wrestling Pummeling? Chi Sao is literally the same drill just at a longer distance.

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Wow, did not see you bring the form into your martial arts gym. Your partner has no protection and is a good what 15lb lighter than you. That would be our last round together.

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I love how he's talking about how you can interpret and adapt it all these different ways and what's his preference because it is such an adaptive style

@@me82sjm yeah true that

Well once people stop looking at Kung Fu movies and look at real Chinese martial arts, they'll learn the actually useful stuff. Chinese kickboxers are on the rise too.

@@Gongolongo you mean like xu xiaodong who uses muay thai and bjj? His social credit is absolutely wrecked after knocking around traditional chinese martial artists to prove they were full of nonsense

@@Gongolongo go try to find “real chinese martial arts” in any video anywhere on the internet. It’s few and far between. You’ll see 300 videos of kung fu getting it’s ass kicked for every 2 that looks good. Mostly you’ll just find shuai jiao and sanda.

@@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488 he literally has a kung fu background. he entered his first mma fight with zero bjj or muay thai, at that time and broke his opponent's arm with a kick. he has never claimed cma was nonsense, he claims fake cma masters and schools are nonsense.

Anderson Silva, Tony Ferguson and Jon Jones all use Wing Chun techniques in their fights. Zhang Weili, Song Yadong and Zabit use various forms of Kungfu too.

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The main problem is not the lack of dedicated students, that are willing to put in the needed work, to become masterful, at what they learn. Chinese Combat arts require 10x more skillsets... compared to other sportized arts. That means, 10x longer... to attain a decent fighting ability. It takes longer to get to be a high level fighter... but IF do put in the work to get there... you will have a level of skill and ability, that FAR outclasses the lower tier arts. Originally, The ancient Chinese started teaching their children the combat arts, as early as 3 yrs old. These arts started with Flexibility, general simple movements, basic forms, insane strength building, and hardcore Iron-Body conditioning. The striking methods are more Raw-Power based, with Long, Wide, round movements. As they get older... the training shifts to higher level techniques, with tighter circles / movements... that take much greater skill to perform. The programs were designed to take like 20 yrs to fully learn and master. (This included the mastery of like 15 different weapons... not just barehand combat) Since that was all built on a foundation of a Flexible, fast, conditioned, and Strong body... they have the capability to make these methods work properly, and well. However... many modern schools today, do not have the beginner level work. There is little to no stretching. No hardcore core workouts. Very few whom do Iron Body conditioning... and not on a very hardcore level. So when you try to add a high level art like Wing Chun... to a person whos not even Fit... whos never taken a punch... well... what can you expect? Thing is... most school classes are 1hr or less. My former WC schools had 2hr classes. The first hour, was dedicated to a full Hardcore Core workout, that also had a few mild leg stretches in the mix. But this is a rarity... as most WC schools do not train like that. But even so... those 4 classes a week.. were still childs play... compared to the time and work needed to reach Combat level capability. I was training 7 days a week, min of 4hrs a day.. (outside of classes) ... and it took me about 3 yrs to get to a level where the local sport artists could not give me a challenge. Most people are not willing to put that kind of effort into things. They are content with low level kickboxing methods... because its a fast and easy route, to mildly effective abilities. Since there is less to learn... it takes less time to fully master the material. So yes... its generally easier for a fighter from a lower level art... whos mastered basic and general martial movements... to be able to pick up a more complex art like Wing Chun... and potentially be superior at it. It only makes logical sense. The problem is.. most of them are closed minded to anything different.. And... again.. many of them are still unwilling to fully invest that much time, and intensity, to reach a Masterclass level of Capability. (rather than sloppy tech.. that fails more than succeeds).

Over the past century you can see a lot of historical amnesia regarding its practitioners. Things like strength training, cardio, conditioning, emphasis on weapons context, pressure testing, and most of all fighting strategy were all absolutely part of Chinese Martial Arts training methods, with forms/drills only being one component of this. A variety of factors, such as the prevalence of the Peking Opera, poor transmission of applications from one generation to the next, the growing popularity of performance based martial arts, and others caused these things to be lost, but they are creeping back in due to a renewed interest in making these fighting arts actually applicable. I do hope that some of them retain their self-defense/feudal context despite today's martial arts scene's focus on combat sports though.

@@unmessable12 The Opera was never the problem. The Chinese govt. banned all arts for over 60yrs in the cultural revolution. They wiped out anyone that posed as a threat to their power. Entire schools were burned to the ground.. and the practitioners were often slaughtered "Just to be safe". They burnt the Shaolin Temple to the ground. Many artists went into hiding. Many ended up in other countries.. such as Taiwan, or well away from China. Others kept training in secret.. trying to keep their arts alive. When the bans were recently lifted.. the eldest living Shaolin survivor that the CCP could find, was in his 80s, and was unfit to teach. The CCP immediately created fake performance based arts, like Wushu. And not much longer after that.. sportized Sanda / Sanshou (basic kickboxing). The losses were not accidental. They are intentional. As the power that control the world.. do not want the general masses to have high level combat abilities. As such, they have infected every art they can... and intentionally corrupted them from the inside out.

@@johndough8115 The CCP's efforts are only one of many factors that led to the decline of Traditional Chinese Martial Arts with combat ability. The creation of performance Wushu wasn't a conspiracy to destroy traditional martial artists, it was merely an appropriation and evolution of the already existing performance tradition with martial arts that came from the Chinese Opera and related performing traditions. Sanda was also not created in an effort to destroy Traditional Chinese Martial Arts, more so a way for China to have a combat sport to rival that of other countries. Yes, the CCP didn't like Traditional Martial Artists running around, but its decline and loss of context as well as historical amnesia isn't something that can only be attributed to its actions. Suppression of martial arts is not something only the CCP did, but several governments before them did the same or similar actions.

​@@unmessable12 Imagine trying to Defend the CCP. >_< The Chinese Govt. SLAUGHTERED over 70 million of its own people... via Radicalizing its own CHILDREN from the school systems, starting as young as age 3. When the war started.. its troops either over-ran the existing martial arts schools.. or PAID certain schools to Eliminate other schools. There is historical Evidence / Records of this FACT. The Chinese Govt. banned the practice of martial arts, maybe 3 different times in its long +2000 yr history. The cultural revolution, was only the most recent. Shall we speak about Falun Gong? These guys do a moving meditation exercise, that is similar to Tai Chi. The number of practitioners started to grow exponentially... and the CCP got SCARED. SO... they sent some "CCP SPIES" to see what the group and practice was all about. After some time... the Spies came back to report, that there was nothing shady going on.. and that since their practice in this art.. their mood and health, was elevated. They were happy and excited about it. What did the CCP do? They didnt believe the spies... so they send in another set of spies. Same results. Guess what happened next? They sent an army of their CCP THUGS to break up the practice Anyways. And any whom would defy their orders.. were taken away. It was more recently discovered, via hidden camera footage... that the CCP was using these practitioners for Illegal Organ Harvesting. You see... it turns out, that after some time of doing these exercises.. it causes their internal organs to be renewed. Their 40 yr old bodies, had the Livers of 20yr olds. And so... they imprison them, and then cut them open.. and sell their organs to the highest bidders. But yeah... Keep Defending the Satanic CCP !!! You Immoral POS. The fact Is.. that RIGHT AFTER the CCP lifted the Bans.. they got together with some of the remaining combat arts teachers... and created that FAKE art called Wushu. They didnt want to bring back the actual combat art.. despite having the dude that had the combat knowledge. They wanted a De-Fanged, watered down, Useless art... to be created and practiced by its youth. This was done INTENTIONALLY. The Chinese Opera, had been operating for AGES before that point.. and it NEVER had ANY effect on Combat arts. In fact, many Rebels ended up hiding within its ranks... as you needed to be quite skilled, as well as semi-decently versed in certain forms, and martial practices. Sanda and Sanshou, were just them copying the Wests bastardization of the combat arts. The CCP also started to copy the wests brainwashing programs... using Xudong as one of their little puppets. Xudong was made to emulate the Psyop that the Gracies did. The Gracies used to post vids of them stating that they were fighting various "MASTERS" of various arts... Thing is... anyone with even a mild level of combat experience, could EASILY see that NONE of these so called "Masters" were even close to being Competent fighters... let alone Masters! BUT... there are so many Ignorant NPCs in this world.. that actually Believed that the Gracies were defeating top level masters of traditional arts. And that is how they Poisoned countless Thousands of young minds... away from learning traditional combat arts technology. They also have ties to the Mass Media entities... which is how they got the UFC going. The UFC used the same tactics. They invited a bunch of Clueless artists, to get easily defeated, in front of the masses. There were no real combat "Masters", fighting on these shows. In fact, nobody even heard about the UFC, until it was aired. So, yeah... the Chinese are Not the only Evil rulers. But that said... to try to Defend them, is completely PATHETIC, and Immoral... and REEKS of you being a complete and utter SHILL.

The concepts are what translate the best. The raw form or techniques is what gets translated wierd. The techniques are more about learning the feel of the body and how to generate power quickly in a small space than learning an exact movement to be used in a fight. That's where people go wrong. If you apply those concepts underneath any form of fighting its like a small buff to your entire moveset. At higher levels that small buff makes a difference for elite fighters. At lower levels it gives you an advantage over a brain-dead thug. At midskill though it does get lost as a benefit. Wing Chun is like ballet for football players. It helps in understanding the body, allowing higher athletic performance. However no one would go into ballet wanting to become an NFL player. Lol

The concepts Tramslate Extremely well in my opinion. You just need a lot of sparring experience to learn how to apply them. Seth already spars regularly so it wasn't too difficult for him to apply some of the concepts.

You can actually use Wing Chun and only Wing Chun for real fights, but, you'll have to modify it. At the end of the day, it would look more like JKD rather than any other martial art. Keep in mind that there is no technique that belongs exclusively to a martial art. Round kicks can be found from karate to muay thai to kick boxing, and etc etc etc. As such, you are not using techniques from other martial arts nor combining with them. You are just adding and modifying techniques, in general.

YES!! Bruce Lee went from Idealist to Pragmatist, which is what made his style so strong. An also why he began to adopt other forms of Martial Arts.

His initial training was Wing Chun, under Master Yip Man, but then also British boxing, and some real-life street fights against thugs. He used his intuition and experience to become a "flexible/fluid" martial artist focused on adapting to the situation.

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