This channel has become one of my favorites in all of youtube in very very little time
@ropro9817Ай бұрын
Yeah, but how did the researchers know that a shot of acetic acid would only feel like lemon juice on an open cut? 🤔
@InkNSap3 күн бұрын
I thought exactly the same!
@gunneoneАй бұрын
This channel came out of nowhere and is already one of my favorite channels. Amazing.
@ZeeshanAli-kl1clАй бұрын
It's mid ngl
@AnkitaDharKarmakarАй бұрын
I loved this episode. I think it's just our anthropomorphic bias that regulates how certain animals are treated. It raises questions about who has the right to life.
@feyindecay912Ай бұрын
Though our anthropomorphic bias could just aswell make us believe that those animals we do judge to suffer may not actually suffer either.
@ross-carlsonАй бұрын
Given you can't even prove I exist yes, this is an extremely difficult topic. That said I'm so happy to see research like this as it doesn't matter what we think we know or believe, it matters what we can DEMONSTRATE. That's why this is so important and fascinating.
@CephBirkАй бұрын
As a cephalopod researcher, I really appreciate the careful, nuanced explanations provided here!
@patrickcollins8048Ай бұрын
“Nature never draws a line without smudging it” - Winston Churchill, A Roving Commission This quote tells you everything you need to know about consciousness: it’s not a matter of yes or no… it’s a matter of degrees on a broad spectrum
@HowtownАй бұрын
That makes sense to me too but we don't know enough yet about how neurons produce consciousness to characterize it one way or another!
@patrickcollins8048Ай бұрын
@@Howtown thanks for the response! I get what you’re saying. It’s true, the science behind neurons and consciousness is super complex, and my comment was a bit oversimplified. Appreciate your insight!
@momentenhancer14 күн бұрын
@@Howtownwhat do you mean by neurons producing consciousness?
@isaidromerogavino890213 күн бұрын
So, Churchill was a biologist?
@Fr00stee9 күн бұрын
@@HowtownI would assume the baseline for consciousness is the ability of the brain to be able to directly monitor what is happening in different parts of the brain
@originstory-earthАй бұрын
Such an interesting topic, Joss. I'm no scientist but I've been thinking for a long time that maybe we can't measure everything in relation to how humans do it. Maybe (probably) there's more to this Universe.
@elsadiora_Ай бұрын
Yes. I agree to this 100% .
@fangjiunnewe3634Ай бұрын
Shoutout to An Immense World by Ed Yong and Other Minds by Peter Godfrey-Smith for stunning deep dives into the minds of animals
@Historiceducation-hv4ud10 күн бұрын
Video Summary for those on a time crunch: An experiment was conducted in octopus arms were removed from the octopus then the severed arms had pain inflicted apon them. The octopus arms, despite bit being attacked to a body, still withdrew from the pain, indicating they felt something despite not being connected to a brain. This is a proccess called "nociception". Its like when you put your hand a on a hot stove, you'll pull it away immediately. Your brain didn't make the decision to pull away, your reflexes did. All aninals have some variation of this. As a dead octopus arm cant feel pain, ctopuses seem to have this function even without the existence if pain. Humans on the other hand, will always feel pain when this happens. Another octopus related experiment, occured when they put an octopus in a tank, wuth one side of the tank decorated in a certain way, and another side of the tank decorated in a different way. They measure how much time the octopus spent in each side of the tank. Once they had identified which side of the tank the octopus preferred, they gave it an injection that they knew would cause it pain, and put it back in it's favorite side of the tank, and locked it in that half of the tank for twenty minutes. After that, they allowed the octopus to roam free in whatever part of the tank it liked, and it chose to go to the side of the tank it had initially not spent much time in. This implies that the octopus associated that side of tabk with pain, causing it to dislike that side of the tank. Similar experiments have been done on crabs, where they learn to avoid a side of the tank where they recieved an electric shock, and held on totheir severed limb, gaurding it with their 1 remaining hand. Nobody agrees on the definition of consiousness, or what causes or what is required to create consiousness. I cant technically prove anyone but myself is conscious, and that goes for everyone. I feel so sorry for all the poor octopuses who were unlucky enough to be selected for the experiments.
@matthewb3113Ай бұрын
I must be British, as I have always said sentient the "British way" (I am a Gen Xer), and I have heard most people say it the British way.
@aliengeoАй бұрын
I think this is one of those times when the dictionary fails to reflect how people actually talk. It's probably more likely that in modern American English, "sen-ti-ent" / "sen-chent" / probably even "sen-chi-ent" are in free variation, but "sen-chent" is the historical prestige pronunciation.
@Homer-OJ-SimpsonАй бұрын
You mean all this time as an American i have been using or thinking the correct way to pronounce “sentient” is the British way?
@adeasanders2711Ай бұрын
Same lol as born and raised USA, I've never heard the pronunciation they said is our version. It's always been the British version (apparently)
@kbkb117Ай бұрын
Same! I've never even heard someone say 'senchent' lol it sounds ridiculous I'm from the midwest
@Infinitesimal-ho7itАй бұрын
Maybe a warning about the butchering scenes (from 11:02 to 11:16) should be at the beginning of this video, and then again right before. I would tend to think of octopi as nearly all brain. I think they do some complex processing in their arms. It's like they are muscle and brain. I would err on the side of any creature that has to navigate their environment and be able to quickly adapt to a cause of pain and danger should be seen as sentient. Even a nematode. Where there is symbiosis involved, that might be considered an overall complex processing. A fungus might not feel pain nor care, but somewhere along the web someone is going to feel the pinch in their life. No one should consider hurting someone else satisfying.
@DanikaLeighEllisАй бұрын
I was going to say the same thing. I recoiled when I saw the octopus getting torn apart immediately after discussing them as sentient.
@PhoebeFayRuthLouiseАй бұрын
I totally agree with you!
@ellie8272Ай бұрын
@@DanikaLeighEllisAbsolutely horrifying cognitive dissonance from them for sure
@jadioj21 күн бұрын
Wussies
@agapitoliriaАй бұрын
I always thought this was the wrong question, one that stems from trying to differentiate humans and animals as separated things, different in their essence. From what I've seen from studies on consciousness and awareness, sentience may even just arise in the microtubules that are present in all living cells, we just don't know. I don't think the sentient categorization has any real meaning that can be actually applied. To me it feels more like a moral judgment of "this looks human" or not.
@madhavdhilipАй бұрын
Octopus are sentient. Source: The boys.
@myboatforacarАй бұрын
To be fair, IIRC octopi have a brain-like structure at the end of each arm. So a severed octopus arm might well be sentient, if it's still alive.
@OakenTome24 күн бұрын
They're called cephalopods because their heads are a derived form of the mollusc foot.
@myboatforacar24 күн бұрын
@@OakenTome ...oops. Thanks for the catch.
@TheLikerofPieАй бұрын
Maybe a good approach would be to leave animals alone unless we are absolutely confident that they don't feel pain and suffer? Otherwise we would risk causing immense suffering on unfathomable scales...
@ellie8272Ай бұрын
Considering we cause immense suffering on unfathomable scales to human beings pretty regularly I think this argument is gonna fall on pretty deaf ears
@tadeob_20 күн бұрын
no thanks. im not me when im hungry
@adamtheburkeАй бұрын
Love what you both are doing with this channel. Keep up the good work. This is the internet, after all, so I also love Adam's cat in the background just doing their cat thing.
@andl362520 күн бұрын
Who’s here just for Joss Fong?
@DanielSolisАй бұрын
This piece is fun to see after just reading "Children of Ruin" by Adrian Tchaikovsky, featuring some fun speculation about octopus perception and communication.
@Omel070119 күн бұрын
If Joss is explaining something to me, I won’t contest her. I’ll just agree to everything she says
@nicksamek12Ай бұрын
You’re telling me a shrimp felt this pain?
@whazeeАй бұрын
As a Brit, I'm very happy we passed that law. I also couldn't care less how people pronounce a word that sounds and means the same thing! 😅 Same for aluminium... it doesn't matter. 😊
@arielvillanueva112723 күн бұрын
We need this channel to have twice the videos ASAP
@wawawoo114Ай бұрын
I just hope more people can know this channel - love how howtown provided a new way to see all the “hows” in this world 🌎
@themusicroombyharrisАй бұрын
Lovely vid, Joss and Adam are such a good team.
@TarlanMustafayev14 күн бұрын
It's interesting that we're kind of studying this to sort out which animals should we hurt. It's like we are trying to put animals into two categories: feel free to hurt and try not hurt
@charlieyuncken7674Ай бұрын
I love this channel. A much needed wholesome-smart-honest pocket of the internet.
@dandyphotobrother24 күн бұрын
I see Joss Fong, I click subscribe
@claasdevАй бұрын
The timing with today’s the boys episode
@YamiChipАй бұрын
It turns out this channel is everything I've ever wanted.
@Homer-OJ-SimpsonАй бұрын
I got ADHD. This channel is like gold for someone like me. I’m always curious and always asking “how does…”. Looking forward to more and more vids
@danmel3978Ай бұрын
Just because an animal doesnt have a spine it doesnt it doesnt have a nervous system.
@tkhachi15 күн бұрын
Running to Google after this to ask, "What states or regions say sentient as 'senchent'" because I'm an American and have only heard it said that way rarely online.
@vartikasingh7Күн бұрын
You should do a video about some of the well liked offended comments to your video- why humans quickly, and decidedly apply their moral judgements, persecute and move on, and why a few reflect instead. I was curious and saw your whole video (it took three taps on the phone!). P.s : No, the video is not propagating the idea that octopuses don’t feel pain like we do, in fact if anything it’s deeply empathetic towards it. Loved the way you ended the video with your trip to the aquarium.
@uufruityАй бұрын
Loved this insightful video, saw it in the Hank letter and decided that I should give it a watch. Really enjoyed this video :))
@starberst79Ай бұрын
Please please consider having Ann Jones from ABC Science as a guest! Really enjoying the channel⭐️
@akaroth754223 күн бұрын
Howie the crab: look her up ... Crabs are way more intelligent than we expect
@karlacorral28063 күн бұрын
I just LOVEEE your channel!
@polarvortex329424 күн бұрын
I'd say that, if a life form moves away from any stimulus, or moves an affected body part away, or reacts angrily or violently, it can feel pain on some level. How it truly experiences that pain is another question.
@Rulerofwax24Ай бұрын
I absolutely love this channel. I will say, though, something about the voice over and in particular the sound effects sounded particularly harsh and high pitched - it was honestly a little uncomfortable to listen to with headphones on. I hope this is just a one-off and will be back for the next video!
@RaphaelMattos_atCWАй бұрын
I responded this in a thread, but clicked in my brain just as I was typing, so I think its worth it to share directly: As you pointed out, other branches of life might have found completely different ways of achieving the same things. For example, It is estimated that eyesight has evolved independently at least a dozen times in different species on Earth. We can't rule out a similar situation for sentience just because we can't communicate with other species. That kind of thing is always going to be hard, because people are not willing to admit ehen they do horrible things. I remember vividly the first time I saw how they cook crabs.... I could not understand why no one else tought it was cruel.
@112ctrАй бұрын
These are such incredibly done videos, awesome job!
@anthonyhotspot7890Ай бұрын
The American pronounciation of "sentient" hurts my brain. Just like Aluminum instead of Aluminium...
@TimSheehanАй бұрын
I don't understand why they'd choose to say senchent
@LeoDas688Ай бұрын
As someone who prefers US spelling and Pronunciation, I agree
@jossfong2798Ай бұрын
Fair
@ethanjensen6847Ай бұрын
As a Canadian, I was even surprised the Americans pronounced it that way, never heard that pronunciation in my life
@rad6626Ай бұрын
I’m American and I’ve never heard anyone say it that way, I say it the ‘British’ way
@vikranttyagiRNАй бұрын
Please more content with joss gong. We need more of her
@FloydTaylorАй бұрын
Composition on point throughout but that top-down printer shot takes the cake!
@nebulanАй бұрын
Even humans we don't have a good way to compare to the point that conception arises that men can handle more pain or women can handle more pain or [ethnicity] can handle more pain, leading to human pain being disregarded 😢
@cantaloupekitty343922 күн бұрын
I do think we need to remember that we thought babies experienced no pain and regularly preformed surgeries on them. We need to be able to treat living things with kindness, whether we think they experience pain or not.
@JustTayo9 күн бұрын
We gotta do what we gotta do.
@MertSerimАй бұрын
How come did i miss your long form videos while vibing with you two on ig smh. Instantly subscribed!
@CarrotFarmerАй бұрын
Adam's skunk bear on NPR were some of my favourite vids on youtube!! Glad this is happening!
@besmartАй бұрын
Call me a bad American but it's hard T for life over here
@guest_informantАй бұрын
"I think that I usually distinguish between sentience and consciousness. Sentience is the ability of a system to make sense of its relationship to the world. So, basically understands what it is and what it’s doing. And in this sense, I would say that a corporation like Intel is sentient, because Intel has a good model of what it is, a legal model, the model of its actions, of its values, of its direction and the necessary cognition is largely facilitated by people. But this doesn’t really matter, because these people have to submit to the roles that they implemented in principle at some point. We can implement these tasks with other information processing systems that are able to make coherent enough models. And consciousness is slightly different from sentience in that it is a real-time model of self-reflexive attention and the content that we attend to. And this gives rise to a fundamental experience usually. And I don’t think that Intel is conscious in this sense. It doesn’t have self-reflexive attention. And the purpose of consciousness in our own mind is to create coherence in the world in which we are and create a sense of now to establish what is the fact right now." Any guesses who said that. No googling :-)
@a.m.1409Ай бұрын
one of my new favourite channels.
@jmacd8817Ай бұрын
I'm an American, and i say it the British way. I also hate pronunciation of species as "speeshees".
@briannad2010Ай бұрын
Great video! Humbly asking that you get an audio engineer to help you reduce the mouth sounds from your mic. 🙏 Misophonia sucks.
@vinetree858213 күн бұрын
post more videos your contents are very nice
@jkrinconАй бұрын
Me encantó. Gracias, very interesting.
@brianmacdougall5261Ай бұрын
But what about the yesciceptor? I need to know more about them.
@slimshadychristopherАй бұрын
Hot damm. What a great video. How do you guys start a new channel and immediately make great content. Love it.
@BikramAgarwalАй бұрын
OMG... I LOOOVE those glasses! Darn cute. 😻
@lukeloegering1029Ай бұрын
I do wonder if a meaningful difference in sorting out which organisms are sentient is the difference between pain and suffering. Organisms that learn from a noxious stimulus and avoid it in the future aren't necessarily suffering while they are in pain. The experience of pain has been evaluated behaviorally but I don't think suffering can really be evaluated without a way to communicate subjective experiences with evaluators. If we're defining sentience based on pain, is there a different word we should use to label organisms who can suffer? Should we base decisions or policy on sentience or this other label?
@VoidLantadd15 күн бұрын
Sentient, not intelligent -> Most animals Sentient, intelligent -> humans Not sentient, intelligent -> ChatGPT
@feyindecay912Ай бұрын
I have trouble accepting that pain receptors equal sentience - because I think it requires consciousness. A sense of self - something I think comes about by social interaction. More and more depending on how defined you are as an individual within a social context. There can't be an experience of pain without a self to experience it. I don't think our empathy judges correctly either, because we are instinctively Anthropomorphisising. (Did I write that right?)
@miro.georgiev9727 күн бұрын
* anthropomorphising
@heyedddieАй бұрын
6:07 am I the only one who sees a Hermit crab wearing a shower cap or maybe a chef's hat?
@atomic_storiesАй бұрын
thank you for making this video :)
@vinayakpatil3642Ай бұрын
thanks make a video on this , I actually asking the same question since i watched your dogs video.
@scottmichaelharrisАй бұрын
But octopus have brain cells in their arms….
@jadioj21 күн бұрын
Are those glasses without lenses?
@karanbania2785Ай бұрын
reflex response ❌ Ultra Instinct ✅
@iLLadelph267Ай бұрын
wait i say sen-chee-int. where does that fall? 😂
@wlgeigerАй бұрын
Up until 1980ish the scientific and medical community thought that HUMAN BABIES were not developed enough to feel pain like children and adults do. They gave less if any pain medication to babies until the 1980's. In the late 1990's the American Association of Pediatricians formally acknowledged that babies can / do feel pain. I am sure that animals all are aware that they are feeling pain.
@bluecombatsАй бұрын
I like the vegan philosophy to reduce harm, and so far it is agreed that plants don't experience pain in the same way as animals so it's ok
@WonkyStickmanАй бұрын
sentience: says ouch in some way
@ZavorioАй бұрын
Another banger.
@oakalquine5484Ай бұрын
this may be my psychosis speaking, but personally, i think it's best to avoid causing anything that even resembles pain, if you're capable. i don't know where the spectrum of sentience stretches, but i do know that everything that can react to stimuli can _appear_ to suffer. organic compounds flinch, and squirm when you cut them. ai chatbots mimic malaise when mistreated. even something as simple as a roomba bears the appearance of suffering when it's trapped under a table. obviously, we can't babysit every last particle in the universe, but when this sort of negativity can be avoided without causing problems, it should be. research should still be done, of course, if it is ethical. there's no other way to learn how to better treat things, and ourselves. but in general, nothing good comes from participating in harm, even if the harm is later proven to be an illusion. through our morality, merely _believing_ we've caused suffering is poisonous to us.
@AnkitaDharKarmakarАй бұрын
Also I spot Adam's cat! Here for it.
@davidclark314Ай бұрын
Just spend 5 min with an octopus and it's obvious the thing is very smart and sentient. Now a crab, that's harder
@rickseiden1Ай бұрын
I've always wondered if animals feel phantom pain. When a dog is hit by a car and its leg is messed up and in pain, then has it amputated, will it experience phantom pain like a human would?
@Pr0toPoTaT0Ай бұрын
Have you seen those amputee dogs just wheeling around? They're happy af like all the time. Idk dude. Phantom pain probably comes from thinking about the leg not being there
@susanne5803Ай бұрын
Animals can feel phantom limb pain. "Development of a Phantom Limb Pain Model in Rats: Behavioral and Histochemical Evaluation" (Published 21.06.2021) (Just copy the title into your search engine. Unfortunately KZfaq deletes links not leading to KZfaq ...)
@rickseiden1Ай бұрын
@@susanne5803 thank you!
@miro.georgiev9727 күн бұрын
@@susanne5803 KZfaq deletes links, period.
@VasilyZaitsev08Ай бұрын
I am a layman, so i could be way off in this opinion...but it seems like using pain as an investigatory probe isn't the best way to go about a sentience test. Many things will react to stimuli such as pain, i think we need to zoom out and broaden the tests. I think one of the unique things humans can do is not only be aware of our existence, but we can learn very high level abstract ideas, then react to/use these ideas dynamically. For example, the concept of time. if i was to communicate to another human "24 hours from now, there will be an adverse weather event in your area." The other human is able to understand what to expect, when to expect it, why this event occurs, and how to prepare for it...or make a decision that it doesn't seem to be a big enough threat to prepare for. I don't think any other animals have the ability to actually understand these higher level abstract concepts, let alone be able to dynamically react to them.
@jmanfijiАй бұрын
Only if you know the right language, the other person can communicate with you, you both have the SAME concept of time and the way it 'flows', and have the same expectation of that adverse event. Not to mention that this perspective is entirely too human-centric to be universally acceptable. In the same way that if a dog used the smell of a meaty treat hidden in some boxes to see if humans could smell - and then concluded that humans couldn't smell because we couldn't find the treat.
@VasilyZaitsev08Ай бұрын
@@jmanfiji i dont think language is relevant to this. While humans may have different languages to refer to objects or concepts, we all intuitively can agree and understand on some fundamental underlying fact of the matter. For example, when we say the word "water". In spanish the word is "agua", in french it's "eau"...etc. While the words for water may be different, they are all pointing to the same compound(H2O) and invoke a web of different qualities associated with H2O in peoples brains. While humans sense things better/worse/different than animals, animals seemingly do not understand the underlying fact of the matter. For example, they do not hypothesize, test, or, seek to learn. Using the dog smelling example, although humans cannot smell as well as dogs, we can understand the underlying science behind smelling. We can test how it works, why dogs smell better, and it gives us the ability to learn/apply these higher level abstractions instead of just operating as a giant nested "if/then" program.
@RaphaelMattos_atCWАй бұрын
Well, we can't really use those criteria, right? Human babies lack that understanding of time flow, of cause and consequence, or even object permanence. It doesn't make them not sentient, clearly. The fact that we understand each other at our level is a matter of having developed language, and then we are talking about intelligence and culture, not sentience. Like they say in the video, other branches of life might have found completely different ways of achieving the same things. For example, It is estimated that eyesight has evolved independently at least a dozen times in different species on Earth. We can't rule out a similar situation for sentience just because we can't communicate with other species.
@VasilyZaitsev08Ай бұрын
@@RaphaelMattos_atCW i would argue that babies are not sentient. I think they do have all of the necessary parts to develope sentience though.
@KeeperOfSecrets-4206925 күн бұрын
I say the British version
@solderbuffАй бұрын
I am listening to an audiobook called "Super Fly" about flies, and the author seems to be convinced that flies are sentient. Though his evidence is rather anecdotal.
@filiproch3653Ай бұрын
your houses look so pretty: pls make house tour video!!! (maybe show some quirky science things you own)
@MagicHasArrivedАй бұрын
Does intelligence arise from the comprehension of sentience?
@bearb1asting24 күн бұрын
It's easy. Humans are. Pretty much just humans. The others would be in a category below us together. Also, great video. Just not quite right.
@davidmichelson67121 күн бұрын
Appreciate the video (and the channel more generally), but I recoiled hearing "benefit of the doubt" around 11:15. To me it frames "stunning" pigs before slaughter as some benevolent act. If we really treated them as sentient, the benevolent act would be to not slaughter them in the first place. I know this goes outside the scope of the video, I just feel sad seeing the taking of someone's life portrayed so casually, especially in the context of a video explicitly about the existence of an animal's inner lived experience.
@nikolovesfoodАй бұрын
I feel like the burden of proof should lie in the other side. It seems incredibly arrogant of humanity to assume that a lobster does NOT feel anything and ask for proof hat it does. Which is not to say that science towards demonstrating sentience should not be undertaken.
@jon471523 күн бұрын
Well, octopodes are more intelligent than most mammals.
@nikgracanin61802 күн бұрын
Octopodes are alien species so they dont count
@saad92862Ай бұрын
Joss is so pretty
@lemperdYt9 күн бұрын
No offence but this is better then Cleo Abram...
@redyankeeroseАй бұрын
I like your video, but disagree with having flora separated from fauna as not having consciousness. We’ll see where the science can get us over time on this point. ❤
@miro.georgiev9727 күн бұрын
If we start including plants as potentially conscious, how exactly are we supposed to justify our continued existence? At some point, we have to draw a definite line in the sand and make an exception, stating, "This conscious living thing is permitted for consumption while this conscious living thing is not." (Consumption should mean more than eating something, by the way. Cutting down a tree to build a house from it is also a form of consumption.) Otherwise, the only "solution" is starvation or death from exposure. Frankly, consciousness as observed in human beings is a curse more than it is a blessing, especially for ethically sensitive people. Most of us just aren't _that_ ethically sensitive, extending our empathy most intensely toward family, friends, coworkers, and pets, but not strangers and farmed animals and certainly not wild animals, domesticated and wild plants, or most other lifeforms.
@bobzavonАй бұрын
as an american, i've never heard sentient pronounced "senshent" and i don't like it lol
@garethde-witt6433Ай бұрын
All animals are sentient in some way
@chowspecialАй бұрын
Hownow howtown
@DanielDogeanuАй бұрын
I think linking sentience with the ability to feel pain is kinda dumb. I bet most living things can feel pain, even trees and plants. How they feel it, it's unimportant, what's important is that they feel it. And just because they don't feel pain, doesn't mean we can butcher them mercilessly. We should treat every living being with respect!
@davianthule203524 күн бұрын
Even bees have shown strong evidence of knowing/understanding pain, and they are literally insects, i.e some of the simplest animals around, insects are generally seen as basically robots, because they tend to be pure programs etc unable to learn, their abilities like hunting, mating, etc being instinct, programming, not taught or developed, where as arachnids are the first very small animals, close to the neurological scale of insects that show signs of independent personality, 2 spiders of the exact same species, same environment and same sex etc May react very differently to interacting with you, one will be aggressive, the other skittish, a third spider might actually learn it's you and become neutral/indifferent to your presence, this is fun to observe with tarantula owners who's tarantulas with Giant fangs that can absolutely hurt you, will be completely fine with being picked up but other specimens won't tolerate the presence of the feeding tube that it knows provides food, the tarantula if it does bite also decides how much venom as a decision to inject, most of the time they want to avoid using much at all and the bite is to dissuade you as a perceived threat. Vs bees who sting on pure instinct etc
@HowToNguyenАй бұрын
Would the demons in Frieren be considered sentient? 🤔
@pyeitme508Ай бұрын
YES!
@oblivious_waffleАй бұрын
3:53 cat cat cat
@hypeesagee789513 күн бұрын
Why does this sound like a knockoff NYT channel/podcast
@HowtownАй бұрын
Have you found a definition of sentience or consciousness that makes the most sense to you? The philosopher Thomas Nagel wrote: "an organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism-something it is like for the organism."
@michaelmayhem350Ай бұрын
5:05 using an octopus arm recoiling from pain is a terrible example of noiception because every octopus leg has it's own brain. So this wasn't like a geckos tail that falls off and squirms to trick predators.
@HowtownАй бұрын
@@michaelmayhem350 “brain” is an imprecise word for what’s going on in their arms. They have very complex nervous systems so science communicators use the word brain or mini-brain to avoid introducing new vocabulary but these areas are not centrally integrating
@ToastyOsАй бұрын
Sincerely, I'm not trying to just criticize for the sake of criticizing. But I think you kinda bungled the title/thumb again. "How do they know which animals are sentient?" assumes prior knowledge that some animals are indeed sentient. But this is not the perspective of your audience. "How do we know if animals are sentient?" is a question that appeals to anyone. Or alternatively "How do we know if animals feel pain?" is incredibly enticing. Please pardon me for being a typical high-expectations asian but I seriously love what you're doing and I want so bad for you to break through to the 100k views you deserve.