Can Parents Refuse to Treat Their Son?

Can Parents Refuse to Treat Their Son? | Chicago Med

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4 ай бұрын

Charles and Med’s new fellow, Nellie, helps a paranoid patient, the plot thickens when his parents appear hostile to the diagnosis and refuse treatment.
Season 8, Episode 1, How Do You Begin To Count The Losses,
In the aftermath of Will’s apartment fire, Crockett, Ethan and Archer work together to try and save the survivors. Charles and Med’s new fellow, Nellie, helps a paranoid patient. Dylan makes a life-changing decision.
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@BlueAversion 4 ай бұрын

For those who are interested, the son ends up being a recurring patient in the series appearing in 2 more episodes. His next appearance sees him get forcibly admitted back to the hospital and the parents are forced to accept that Dr Charles' diagnosis is correct and the son receives the necessary treatment. His third appearance sees the son admit himself voluntarily as he's worried he's relapsing.

@fionam7768 2 ай бұрын

Thank you xx

@Octodactylpus 4 ай бұрын

I'm glad they chose a less stereotypical portrayal of someone in the middle of a psychotic crisis, he's not a threat to anyone he's just really scared and confused. It's heartbreaking but much more accurate to what people with paranoid or delusional disorders tend to go through imo.

@BlackCatFilmProductions 4 ай бұрын

Why are his parents afraid of accepting the truth about their son? Are they afraid how people will see them differently & their son won't be going to university but to a medical institute.

@rawyld 2 ай бұрын

@@BlackCatFilmProductions I can speak from my father whose parents treated me and my sisters as black sheep because we were autistic. He wanted us to get a job and the normal things. But in a cruel way after his mother died in 2017 a couple of months afterwards he started to accept that we were austistic and now I am medical science university student. My father and mother are the most supporting parents ever. And they are proud of me.

@spartan3294 4 ай бұрын

"We should sue you" right and get laughed out of court!!!

@DaughterofBabaYaga 4 ай бұрын

Or have the judge decide the child is not in a safe place after hearing the testimony of the Doctors and strips them of their parental rights.

@Diamondelle84 4 ай бұрын

For doing their jobs? 🙄

@kalitheamare 4 ай бұрын

During the course of my lifetime I have met two brilliant minds who were diagnosed with this terrible illness. Their lives were turned around. Many dreams were shattered. Families torn. Medication made them unwell. One is still alive with torturing demons, the other took his own life. This episode hit hard

@fragileomniscience7647 4 ай бұрын

This or next year, KarXT is gonna be on the market. It will mark the end of the prehistoric beasts that D2 receptor blockers are.

@Octodactylpus 4 ай бұрын

@@fragileomniscience7647 I imagine the effect emotionally will be similar to those parents whose children got insulin for the first time.

@fragileomniscience7647 4 ай бұрын

@@Octodactylpus One of the lead developers of Karuna Therapeutics held a conference where he showed that it almosts scratches clozapine in effectivity, in all PANSS domains, minus the risk of granulocyte mass death. It's gonna be a needed game changer. With likely greater compliance.

@rosieglows 4 ай бұрын

People with schizophrenia can lead completely normal lives. It actually runs in my family and most of those who have the dx lead perfectly normal lives. It is NOT a death sentence.

@fragileomniscience7647 4 ай бұрын

@@rosieglows Clinical sources mention that up to 70-90% are unemployed.

@shannonsmith4174 4 ай бұрын

PARENTS ARE SUPPOSE TO CARE ABOUT THEIR KIDS NOT THE LABELS

@ThatCanadianGamer01 2 ай бұрын

it's not really the parent's fault... more society than anything... people with mental illness are labeled crazy and insane when, in fact, like any other organ in that body, can get sick, and unfortunately, unlike other illness where you are just tired, or coughing etc., the brain controls personality, emotions, impulses etc., so it is more visibly noticible, hence the taboo and stereotyping of people with a mental illness, and for some people, they are unable to shake the societal opinion of mental illnesses

@ottokarl5427 13 күн бұрын

Back when I did Disciplinary Hearings at my school...you would be surprised how many parents are worrying about "the labels" more than anything else. There was this girl, maybe 12-years old, who was in constant trouble. Bullying other kids, skipping school. Eventually, such a hearing was called because she and some friends were caught after paying a homeless guy to buy them Vodka and then mixing it with Cola (the Cola was almost see-through, that's how much Vodka they put into the bottle). All during school btw. The only thing the father was worried about in the entire, almost one hour long hearing, was that "my daughter is not an alcoholic". He said that multiple times. Which is funny, considering that no one in that meeting accused her of being one. The father was literally the only person out of ~ten people who used the word "alcoholic" or anything similiar to it.

@thatschitzoblogger 4 ай бұрын

I have schizoaffective disorder, but the most mild version of it. My parents didn't want to accept this, but then they did. And they started using that as an excuse reason for all the things I do wrong.

@ItsJam3z 4 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that, it's not your fault and I hope you don't think that. Sometimes it can ve hard for parents to hear something like this and they can wanna deny it or tie things you might do wrong to that illness. No matter what they say or what you think you'll come through stronger in the end after dealing with it for a while.

@mealsome1571 4 ай бұрын

If it makes you feel any better, my Ma did the same with my extremely mild form of autism (awkward enough socially for people to raise eyebrows but not awkward enough for anyone to write it off as mental illness. think that one kid in school who said what they were always thinking but not trying to be hurtful). Not normal enough for interpersonal relationships but too normal for any of the government benefits XD Fun fact of the day: Autism is passed down through the father.

@jennifertselentis4755 4 ай бұрын

Sad

@EZ-D-FIANT 3 ай бұрын

My "lables"; Acute paranoid schizophrenia Delusional psychotic episodes Autism (Aspergers) Psychotic depression The medication has never worked, I've spent a 3rd of my life In institutions! I'm also in the top third percentile intellectually and my dad died in my arms when I was 12! 🤷‍♂️

@mealsome1571 3 ай бұрын

@@EZ-D-FIANT weird flex but okay.

@omnielectron9616 4 ай бұрын

Denial is ALWAYS a dead end people.

@madeleinalazaris8138 Ай бұрын

And not just a river in Egypt......sorry, I'll see myself out 🤣😂🙄

@Meg33722 4 ай бұрын

The proper diagnosis can save lives. These labels don’t define you regardless if people try to make you feel that way.The diagnoses may be a part of you but it’s not who *you* are. Denial is more deadly than any diagnoses.

@dothedo3667 3 ай бұрын

I don't watch the show but I've seen some clips online and I just want to say I'm glad there's a show that actually takes a nice approach with mental illness portrayal. Not just the patient but the doctor is professional and kind.

@klee2982 4 ай бұрын

I can't stand these parents

@BlueAversion 4 ай бұрын

If you're interested, the son get admitted to the hospital again a few episodes later and the parents accept that the diagnosis was correct.

@Mimi-cq4bg 4 ай бұрын

Gawd what is it with dads who think they can yell problems away

@adinag9750 4 ай бұрын

Kids rely on their parents to get them mental and physical help. So many times the kid is too far gone when they're older to understand they need help and can't get themselves that help their parents failed to get for them.

@becky2235 2 ай бұрын

Sadly right

@17peteclarke 4 ай бұрын

at the very end of every chicago med vid that I see there's this howl, or maybe a scream or something? cut off right at the end. it gets me every time lol

@heisafraid 4 ай бұрын

It’s a howl I think

@sevenseasonsofbrown 4 ай бұрын

i've always noticed that and i have no idea what it is lol

@irenebae3566 4 ай бұрын

its a howl, a sound that plays at the end for one of the companies that produced the show, "wolf entertainment" like a little jingle, but it gets cut off in these clips

@hooting-ton5215 4 ай бұрын

There is nothing "Wrong" with someone who has schizophrenia. They just need a little more help, like anyone who suffers from chronic conditions. Ignoring it won't make it any better, and will make it worse.

@waywardwarrior2817 4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately there's still a lot of negative stigma attached to mental diseases and disorders and this causes both the people diagnosed and their families to refuse to acknowledge that they need help until something drastic happens

@heisafraid 4 ай бұрын

I mean…. they aren’t supposed to have schizophrenia…. They have something wrong in the brain

@LilyGrace95 4 ай бұрын

Right? Slightly biased given I have three neurodivergent diagnoses myself, but I can't stand it when people act like being different makes you a monster. Obviously there's the shock of the diagnosis itself and the connotations (looking back on all the signs you missed, the adaptations needed to make life easier going forward etc) but people who act like it's the worst thing they've ever heard... I genuinely hate those people.

@inwit594 3 ай бұрын

@@waywardwarrior2817 People who give into stigma are weak. Seeing people as lesser because of something they can't control is disgusting.

@alliebrat2402 4 ай бұрын

I know it's a show.. but I don't understand why parents are like that.. surely you would do whatever it takes to make your child better? And sure they suspected something wasn't right by the way he is talking to himself? Really?

@Midnight0Mistress 4 ай бұрын

Parents don't want to think they have an imperfect kid because it means they are/were imperfect themselves. And several other reasons.

@louisev9707 4 ай бұрын

Yeah I think some parents think that a mentally ill child reflects badly on their parenting (which ... Narcissistic parenting, CA, trauma, definitely possible). They react to the assessment that way because of stigma, or because they feel like they're being blamed, or shame about others knowing that their child is 'crazy'. They may want on some level their child to be better, but when it comes to mental health, that is more challenging and confronting and requiring of longer term support and understanding than a quick medication fix at the hospital.

@moses201 4 ай бұрын

They’re scared of what they don’t understand

@BlueAversion 4 ай бұрын

The son gets admitted again in a later episode and they have accepted by that point that the diagnosis is correct.

@hypotree6132 4 ай бұрын

Ugh why are parents in such denial………

@MusikGirl23 4 ай бұрын

Yup. My mom was in serious denial about my depression (that turned out to be bipolar disorder) and anorexia…I finally received appropriate treatment as an adult when I was out of her ‘care’.

@DaughterofBabaYaga 4 ай бұрын

Annnnnnnd in 5 years when he gets really bad and they "dont understand why their baby is acting this way!" and they throw him out in desperation or he wanders off missing for 3 days his blood and any he spills is on their fucking hands.

@BlueAversion 4 ай бұрын

For the record, in the series he is readmitted 2 episodes later and the parents are forced to accept the diagnosis is correct.

@DaughterofBabaYaga 4 ай бұрын

@@BlueAversion you a G. 🥰 I'd love to find that upload. The poor boy looks so terrified of himself and everything else. 😢

@BlueAversion 4 ай бұрын

@@DaughterofBabaYagaIf you’re wondering, these clips are from Season8 Episode 1. The same patient features again in the same season in episodes 3 and 15.

@notoriousbroadcasts2367 3 ай бұрын

These disorders are extremely serious and need to be treated as soon as they show. My cousin started exhibiting signs of schizophrenia at around age 17-20; I had seen it in others before and our family had a history of serious mental illness so I had serious concerns, which I brought to my family; they ignored it, which was a repeated pattern for them. I was ironically ostracized for being a "black sheep", and seeking help for my own mental health; several years later, my cousin had a violent episode on a metro train and almost killed someone, leaving them with life altering injuries. It was only then that they were forced to get him help, through the justice system and an institution; but he was released to my family within a few years and I still have serious concerns about their ability to supervise his behaviour.

@DiamondAviator4 2 ай бұрын

Refusing someone treatment is a bad move. A potentially deadly move at that.

@lanabanana2015 4 ай бұрын

Reminds me of my father, except his made him very violent till the point people almost died. It's a horrible illness. It's heartbreaking.

@jacobdenness8659 4 ай бұрын

I guess it’s a very big thing to take on but leaving it will only make it worse

@BlueAversion 4 ай бұрын

It indeed does. The patient is readmitted 2 episodes later and the parents have to accept the diagnosis is correct.

@Nunayabzns 4 ай бұрын

When You Know Better You Do Better How could anyone let their child suffer like that?

@skysora8185 4 ай бұрын

The very sad thing is that some people can be predisposed to have schizophrenia genetically and never experience any symptoms but THC has been shown to jump start this so people have been known to be perfelty fine and smoke a little bit of the herb and then develop schizophrenia. Now this is uncommon but there is no way to know if your redisposed and that herb will kick it off. And I'm not slamming pot users just saying it's a thing that can happen just like smoking tobacco can cause lung cancer and vape can cause popcorn lung and alcohol serosis of the liver it doesn't happen to everyone but happens to some.

@Octodactylpus 4 ай бұрын

I think popcorn lung has been linked to vitamin E oil being used in some of the cheap vapes, though it's true we don't actually know what the real health risks of it are yet.

@antediluvianatheist5262 2 ай бұрын

It is also more likely the younger the person is when they start smoking weed. It can be as high as 85% if they start smoking at age 12.

@skysora8185 2 ай бұрын

@@Octodactylpus that's very true, I vape and I know the risks. My father died of lung cancer from smoking and he was in his 30s my grandmother smoked all her life and is in her 80s. I've also smoked weed, my mother has BPD and Schizophrenia I don't enjoy weed and I was in my 20s but I accepted that something like that I could have been at risk for. To me it's very interesting how it all may work.

@Munchkin.Of.Pern09 2 ай бұрын

The kid’s also just of the right age for schizophrenia or a related disorder to start manifesting. Even if the THC didn’t affect it, he could still just spontaneously develop the condition with the right genetic predispositions. Most cases of schizophrenia are at least semi-heritable.

@meganescriven3198 4 ай бұрын

People like the parents give me a confidence boost because I feel way more intelligent when I hear their insufferable nonsense.

@stitchfan93 4 ай бұрын

Ah yes, if anything happens to your child and others the blood will stain your hands till you greet death as an old friend

@Neonlion-pt9kl 4 ай бұрын

You always save peoples lives ❤❤

@LilyGrace95 4 ай бұрын

When people get late diagnosed, their parents can be in denial for a *while*, whether entirely or just about the "inconvenient" side of things. I feel so sorry for the kids who go through that - I'm nearly 30 and still struggling to get my parents to accept all sides of me (yay spectrum diagnoses), but at least I'm an adult and I don't have to spend all of my time with people who don't understand/accept me....

@rawyld 4 ай бұрын

Yeah Autistic person here, my father took a long time to accept that his daughters were Autistic until in a very cruel way that his mother died and the pressure was lifted from his shoulders of not feeling up to his mother's expectations. Now I am medical science university student with amazing support and both my parents are very proud of me for studying a very subject, but loving the anatomy side of it.

@LilyGrace95 4 ай бұрын

@@rawyld So sorry it took that just to get him on board, but at least he is now 🫂

@rawyld 4 ай бұрын

Yes he is and my parents are amazing.@@LilyGrace95

@pitagorasztelel9829 4 ай бұрын

why take your kid to the hospital if your not gonna accept the diagnosis the doctor gives

@DonkeyDen 28 күн бұрын

I can relate to this kid a bit

@JB-qf5ep 4 ай бұрын

I understand that it is possible for a doctor to be judgemental (I have encountered a few), but why do people on these shows always react like they/their loved ones are being judged when they are asked diagnostic questions by doctors who arent being confrontational or judgemental?

@linussenekal635 4 ай бұрын

Parents are ignorant. really sad for their son.

@Munchkin.Of.Pern09 3 ай бұрын

6:07 - So far, no signs of disorganized speech, but the paranoia, delusions, and auditory hallucinations are all there… given the kid’s age, this is looking like a textbook case of a schizophrenia-like condition.

@bellarocks7179 Ай бұрын

I don't think so

@ChicagoPolice4821 4 ай бұрын

Who Loves The Chicago Med in February 2024‽

@kaitlintropper2061 3 ай бұрын

17 years old can make his own decisions

@carlycullen4373 2 ай бұрын

Not in the eyes of the law

@kaitlintropper2061 2 ай бұрын

@@carlycullen4373 in Canada you can. Not sure in the states though.

@Luna_moon_1127 19 күн бұрын

I live in Canada and I am prescribed marijuana for my anxiety and insomnia and I’m just so glad that it’s legal in Canada so that I don’t have to get it off the street and risk having at least at least if I know I’m getting it from the store I know that there is no chance of it being leased because it is sealed from the factory (it is OK to use their head with no fatal overdose is from marijuana alone. The problem comes when people lease it with things.

@Luna_moon_1127 2 ай бұрын

“ he’s not some pothead” My grandmother is prescribed marijuana for her severe arthritis from two previous car accidents, honestly the last person I would expect to smoke marijuana but she’s taught me anything it’s that it’s not always a bad thing and honestly think about it there have been no reported deaths from just marijuana from laced marijuana. Yes, but not from strictly marijuana. There been no overdoses compared to every other drug in the world doesn’t that technically make it better the fact that there are no overdoses from it. I kind of agree with what my dad says when he smokes it occasionally he says it’s not a drug that’s an herb. I agree with my dad it is literally dried leaves that’s besides the point compared to every single other drug in the world that has killed people or cause severe overdoses. Which was one of the reasons I was OK with it when they prescribed it for my anxiety. But the way the Dad is freaking out the way he mentions Stanford lake now that the kid has smoked pot. He’s not gonna be smart anymore that’s not true yes using it at a young age can damage growth of your brain and stuff like that but the kids old enough that if he’s not doing it all the time it’s not really a big deal again I understand where the parents are coming from but at the same time Dad does not need to be so harsh about It. There’s never been a severe overdose with marijuana that caused death so I really don’t understand why some people literally give it to the bad term. Yes, I understand. This father necessarily might not want his son to be doing it, but he should look at it as there were other watch more horrible things my son could’ve been doing. (i’m very sorry if there are some mistakes in that paragraph I use the voice to text feature on my phone most of the time because I’m dyslexic and I have a very hard time writing long paragraphs myself but I’ll be the first to admit technology isn’t always perfect and it sometimes messes up my paragraphs)

@saranardi6498 4 ай бұрын

How does the episode end? They give consent to treatment or not?

@BlueAversion 4 ай бұрын

The end of the clip is the end of the episode. However the kid is readmitted 2 episodes later and the parents accept the diagnosis is correct. The kid appears a third time in episode 15 I think where he voluntarily readmits himself as hes worried he's suffering a relapse.

@fionam7768 2 ай бұрын

Thank you xx

@-Umbrella. 3 ай бұрын

I have heard of people lacing weed with fent but I can't for the life of me understand the profit of it.

@gizzmowalliss Ай бұрын

Probably because it’s stronger then people want more of it and eventually they graduate to stronger more expensive drugs.

@Oscarstrainspotting 4 ай бұрын

I swear Dave Sullivan was the rookie in Chicago pd that got shot

@rawyld 4 ай бұрын

I have Autism and anxiety and my father took a long time to accept that his girls where Autism because of the way he was brought up by his family of achieving higher ad he felt embarrassed by this but (My parents are very loving family and care about us.) But in a cruel way after his mother had died (my Pop died in 2010) about a couple of months later all of us including my mother noticed that there was a weight off his Shoulders and he started to accept that in 2017 and now I am in medical science student university and my parents are very proud of me going to do one of the hardest courses out there. Yes it is hard, but the I love looking at the anatomy of the human body. Another story is that in 2019 I was getting ready to watch The Joker movie when I saw a mother with her son looking a bit restless and we got talking and she told me that her son was Autistic. So I told her that I was Autistic and that I was about to start university. The woman cried because I had given her hope that despite the diagnose there is hope that her son can achieve and even go to university with support.

@fionam7768 2 ай бұрын

Well done you - it's a risk to put oneself out there to encourage others, NTP or not, which is why so few of us do. But what you were able to give this woman...❤❤❤❤ You'll be a wonderful practitioner in any field with those instincts xx

@rawyld 2 ай бұрын

@@fionam7768 Yeah it's not easy and for people with Disability, they try to rat you out because of the study load and the cases of Disability. I have wanted to leave but I have stuck to my guts.

@debbiejansenvanvuuren7556 2 ай бұрын

It’s a unclean spirit 🙌

@alessaross3559 2 ай бұрын

That pediatrician seems to get a kick out of ripping families apart. She gives me the vibe of being paid by CPS to get them children for their trafficking ring.