it's only 33k at c2, 8 times means about 264k damage, problem is this last 2.5 seconds and she has a 1.5 second burst animation and other character would do so much better. Xianyun plunge hypercarry is more viable.

Yep it feels really great

Ayaka burst and sigewinne burst are matched so badly

They have jean is an overall upgrade in most situations due to vv.

​@@AlwaysThirstys Kazoo VV+Sig is an overall upgrade to Furina Jean. And most people have Kazoo than Jean voluntarily.

@@infrnlmssh9719Furina Jean Yelan still pushed out Furina Kazuha Sigewinne unless you need grouping

Negativity posting and rage bait is the name of game for most other CCs unfortunately

​@@infrnlmssh9719 only for things that do off field skill dmg. And even then furinas personal dps still makes the later better.

I mean I assume its just a meme lol

@@Solunerralol it’s literally everywhere, especially with bigger channels, ironically enough

Yep her low field time requirements and ease of build for a Furina/Hydro core is compelling.

just a warning that sigewinne's buff only works 10 times so if you want to play future impact you need to hope for a slow attacking skill damage unit too.

@@kazekori9593 yeah. I'm not hoping too much for her skill buff More with the very very low field time. But also, it's a flat buff. So as long as the future skill damage dealer has a good amount of crit and DMG bonus. You'll get the same damage from sigewinne whether you do 10 or 20 skill instances, so does it even matter

The issue is, though, she's tied to the hip with Furina for this type of thing. And even then, she's replaceable. For example, you can replace her with Kuki in the team from this video, swapping Nahida to a Prototype Amber (which admittedly newer players won't have at R5) and clear with about the same times and pretty much the same comfort level. I know, because I did just that. And note this doesn't make the video team bad. It clears comfortably, and so illustrates nicely that she isn't nearly as bad as people who don't have her constantly say she is. And that people really underestimate what Kuki can do outside of hyperbloom. But Siggy doesn't bring much in the way of account power. As to the hypothetical characters that use field time and don't care about app, but also want a healer... that isn't enough. Plenty of healers have low field time to heal, especially if they're only worried about the on-fielder. Anemo and geo are relatively neutral elements, so can usually fill the "don't mess up interactions" role, though geo lacks a proper healer currently. So you need to want team-wide healing and probably have value from her passive as well, but without non-DMG/CrD built characters using up the limited number of charges. She needs more Furinas, in other words. The cards are really stacked against her, being a bit too niche in what she brings. Now, I have her, at c2, and I'm having fun with her. I think her C1 in particular is underrated, upping the healing coverage, giving more triggers from the sets she's likely to be using, and allowing you to imprison more. I think it is, overall more valuable than c2. But even with that, I don't really have a home for her in an Abyss capable (non-Furina) team. That said, I'm experimenting, trying to find just such a team and do have one that works great for domains and such, which is just a little shy of where it needs to be for Abyss. Plus, well, almost every character I have on my roster I don't use in the Abyss, so another one isn't a big deal. People need to remember it is a game, and not that hard of a one either. And so they can be like Sol and run non-meta builds, utilizing synergies others ignore, and clear the content just fine, getting the exact same rewards as those that are running the most meta of meta teams.

@@kazekori9593 I dont think thats too much a problem as such a limited count of Sigewinne's buff gains tremendous value out of forward vaped skill hits, notably from Furina. Sigewinne's low hydro app means a hydro dps with higher hydro app gets the value of forward vape in primarily a burnvape team. And even though her buff only lasts 10 times, each stack depleting with each enemy hit from off-field skills, she can refresh it with Sac bow since the trigger condition is her skill. I dont believe it adds with previous stacks, but I believe it just refreshes back to 10 stacks from what Ive seen.

Glacio Wolves are my nightmare they do so much dmg for NO REASON AHHHHHHHHH

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SIGWINNE STACKS ARE GONNA BE USED UP ON LIKE 4 SECONDS.

@@AlwaysThirstysSacrificial bow R5 will help a lot :3 and maybe C1 with Sacrificial would have crazy amount of buffed skill hits 😍 ( idk )

@@user-tj5wp1qd2x sac bow resets the previous bubble and has anti synergy while giving her er and not hp, making her buffs weaker. also replacing the bubbles also removes the previous stacks and r5 sac bow is rly hard to get.

Even the damn trial character was doing a lot of dmg

The Ability to clear abyss is not a good indicator on whether a character is objectively bad or not. You can clear abyss with any character given you build a decent team and have access to average artifacts. The point about her is that the numbers and utility - or lack thereof - that she brings to a team is lackluster and won't noticeably improve without some indirect buffs to her. With that said, play who you want, pull who you want and enjoy the game the way you want Is she a bad unit? Yes Can she be fun and a good addition to your account? Yes

@@nono-ke2kg okay so what is the point of bringing up numbers if clearing combat and utility of clearing combat isn’t your concern? Your comment makes no sense. A lot of sigewinne havers didn’t pull for her expecting any sort of damage or groundbreaking buffs. Me included. She cute, fun and objectively funny to play. People are doomposting about her all over the internet. People that don’t have her and have no experience playing with her in any teams have a lot to say about how “lacklustre” she is. But i agree you can make any character work. Don’t see any difference here to people jump cancelling hutao to make her work.

@@Spookie24 Besides the fact that you brought up numbers yourself 'Her burst does enough damage to clear Abyss with' you also conveniently left out the part after 'numbers' .. utility Arguably the most important part of any good healer and an indicator for the general powerlevel of a unit She has arguably the worst hydro application in the game, a fairly good teamwide heal and a passive that benefits you building for damage and sacrificing her healing done Compare her to the other available healers Baizhu has : Sustained but short dendro app, bigger heals, resistance to interruption, and an increase in dmg for bloom,hyperbloom, burning, burgeon, aggravate and spread, Not to mention that he can wield prototype amber for even more heals Kokomi has insane near infinite uptime offield hydro app, similar dps without sacrificing on healing and prototype amber again Jean has access to vv, frontloads her heals for furina teams Xianyun has vv, frontloaded + sustained heals, enables an entirely new type of team (unless your name is xiao) and gives those teams higher dps by increasing plunge dmg and crit rate You can't look at a unit in a vacuum, say she clears abyss 12 and go 'yep, she's a good unit' Again, am I saying the doomposters are right? No, for the most part it's being portrayed worse than it is Does that make Siegewinne a good unit? Absolutely not Does that mean that by pulling her you won't be able to progress through the game? Absolutely not If you're not evaluating units based on relative strength then you're just having an opinion

@@Spookie24 He just said any character can clear given good enough investment and teams. The importance of bringing up numbers is to evaluate how much effort the previous step takes. She doesn't have ground breaking damage or buffs and she kinda was lacklustre considering the fact that. (If you were super into leaks you would know she got a massive nerf and used to be very good)

She felt a little underwhelming to me *at first,* her burst in particular, but pairing her with Furina alone - coupled with some decent crit stats and learning her kit better - actually allows her to heal a good chunk alongside dealing a surprising amount of damage for a healer, doubly so if i manage to Vape a hit. Absolutely no regrets pulling her and her bow.

yeah honestly like im really happy that I got her!! I don't have any other hydro healer than barbara!! and Sigewinne is perfect for my team in general!!!!!!!

Emily's new best partner is nahida btw.

Indeed, a lot of Sigewinnes strength is her synergy with Furina

I’m guessing Sigewinne probably doubles Dehyas skill dmg when he buff was going. Or close to it

Prob any dps bow.

omg same! I'm definitely pulling Nilou just for the occasional bountiful core dendro bloom team in abyss

Oh theres no five minute rant on stream specifically, that was cut from this recording specifically, but if you want to see me testing sac bow at c0 and talking about its potential its in the Furina Q&A stream (after I got Sigewinne I spent a while testing some Sac bow interactions). I will also be testing Sac bow on stream today at c0/c1, where I will describe my thoughts on it in a more condensed form too.

@@Solunerra

In theory yes simply bcuz she is hydro, but it’s not that good since you want to apply hydro and she isn’t good at that

I'm not sure if she's really viable considering that her hydro application is pretty bad along with her long skill cooldown

Not really , sigewinnes hydro is awful and she can’t drive like kokomi can assuming your only using 2 hydro 2 dendro (optimal) the only option would be maybe sac bow? Even then the icd et cetera

Being Hydro is the bare minimum for nilou bloom, however 3 applications ever like 18ish(?) seconds is really terrible. Terrible for dmg and how the team feels in general. I wouldn't recommend at all, but do whatever you want

u can go nilou, nahida (or any good dendro applier preferably collei, yao yao or dendro traveler) sigewinne and any good hydro applicator cuz her hydro application isn't really the best (if u have furina u can slot her in w sigewinne as sigewinne buffs her aswell)

Any dps bow could work.

@@AlwaysThirstysnot really, like Amos has an attack stat and she doesn’t need that

@@StarBound_Jirachi Hunters a good option

Yes, I talk about Sigewinne kinda in general in the video too