100% facts

United are held to different standards in every aspect, has been the case since we started winning things in the 90s.

I think you're neglecting a whole lot there, Klopp got to 2 cup finals in the first season with a v poor team who were 10th and with -12 g/d before he got there, Arteta won the FA cup at the end of his first ever season in management. The difference is both clubs from the start could see a clear vision that would take time to build, but was obvious. You can argue that they didn't transform them overnight, but with Klopp their first game with him was transformative tactically and they've stayed the same ever since. Arteta may have been an assistant to Pep, but didn't have the 10 years experience that Ten Hag did before joining MUFC. He's had 18 months to show some belief, the difference is these other managers competed and won against other big-6 teams and wouldn't get regular bi-monthly humblings by their biggest rivals after beating minnows by a goal-0.

@@roryhungrrr You're right that there's definitely some context to both the Liverpool and Arsenal situations, but in a way that's sort-of my point. In hindsight, it looks like wisdom to give both Arteta and Klopp the time to transform their teams to the point where they're challenging for titles. And I'm not trying to downplay the work they've done, which has been impressive. But it's not like Man United haven't had contextual challenges too. We're always hearing how well Liverpool are run, for example, how forward-thinking their leadership is, how influential people like Michael Edwards was in the sensible, sustainable investment in the team. That certainly hasn't been the case at United, who have been held up as the perfect example of how badly a football club can be run for over a decade. No manager who's joined United over that period - including people like Mourinho and Van Gaal who between them have won titles and trophies at Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Ajax and Chelsea - has lasted more than 3 years. That cannot be a coincidence. There's obviously something fundamental broken at United that even the most experienced managers in the world haven't been able to fix, so to win *anything* in that context, credit has got to be given to the manager. And in Ten Hag's first season, he did produce the goods - he got United into the Champions League and got to 2 cup finals, winning one of them and losing the other to the treble-winning City team. This season United have played badly, there's no getting around that. But even in this apparently awful season with long term injuries to key players, United are still higher in the league than Arteta was in his second season (8th), and could conceivably get Champions League football and a cup final *again*. You only have to look at Chelsea to see how badly things might have gone. I guess my point is, Liverpool and Arsenal right now are playing excellent football. But they didn't start like this - it took several seasons of transformation on and off the pitch to get to this point, high and low moments included. It was wise for them to stick with their manager even though they weren't immediately transformed into title contenders, and it'd be the first wise thing United have done in a long time if they realise that replacing Ten Hag won't immediately make them title contenders either.

My God there is some sense being exchanged here.

haha he's learned nothing. We are dogshit. There's still no system or style of play. Why are you idiots so convinced that he'll suddenly become a competent coach. He's tragically out of his depth and it's says everything about our fanbase that many of you still don't understand how to watch football and what to look out for. It's awful, unstructured, chaotic rubbish. Scumming a win over a knackered Liverpool side will do nothing to change the fact that this fraud in the dugout should have been gone months ago

Plus with the amount of change happening above him, we need some stability somewhere.

Spot on. Fact that many players are looking better than when he started (Garnacho, Dalot, etc), and that arguably Anthony is the only bad signing (although I was expecting they'd get another year at last years level from Casemiro & Eriksen so accept criticism there - although club shares blame there). Malacia was unfortunate with the timing of his injury - no doubt he'd have done a job at left back, Onana has bedded in after a rocky start, same with Hojlund and Martinez will be first choice once he's back. There's a young spine developing there. He needs another season to see where he can take it

@@Stegibbon Agreed. And with competent people taking care of the other things, Ten Haag might find his job a lot easier.

@@ronanfitzpatrick1261 I think such misfires will become rare once the new guys start making decisions.

But now with a proper structure above whoever the manager is from next season, how can you predict that the same type of implosion that has habitually happened under the Glazer's structure will happen this time?? It's actually much more likely that a new manager that is properly hand-picked by Ashworth and Omar won't implode and will actually succeed

precisely! They did not even address that the entire team thought united had no choice on their last episode

LOL! They got one decent result all season. Do you not remember the UCL?

You completely missed the point. Even when Liverpool were in their 30 year slump, any logical person would still give them a good chance going into this fixture. To act like its a foregone conclusion sounded stupid to me and its proved to be the case ✌🏾

Not just ten hag, Man Utd as a whole. United have always gotten more scrutiny and attention and have been held to higher standards

because most of the United fans are thick as shit. The athletic is marketed at the smarter fan, so publishing the dimwitted views of "most United fans" would be the opposite of what the Athletic is trying to achieve

but thats not there agenda...

You must be a rival fan

@@TNT_12 not at all You need to give him time and he's the right man Problem is the players

@@TNT_12 so true only rival want tenhag stay...this club become a joke under tenhag!

@@convey1997 really problem is the player? so why united win vs liverpool? that tenhag genius? u must be kidding!

@@Trulyontube you cannot judge by one game look at the whole season and not all players are a problem but few players who have been around for few years and do not care. And the whole club structure needs to change like scouting and buying the right players the manager cannot do everything but I think Ten Hag is the right man

1 time - Forest in the cup. That's the only time we've had Dalot, Shaw, Varane, and Martinez.

yeah but that doesnt fit there agenda mate🤣

Every team has injuries. We're not special. Other teams even have less talented players than this United team has, and they perform more consistently than we do. Why? Because their managers actually know how to get the best out of their players

@@TNT_12 Arteta took two seasons of finishing 9th to "know" how to get the best out of their generational talents. United have almost none to begin with, not to mention some sabotages like Sancho.

​@@brunokagawa6287Arteta was coming from a much lower base.

@@adtastic1533 Not really. Arsenal has often finished above United in the Premier League table over the past ten years. Up until Arteta's reign when they finished 8th for two consecutive years. Also United have been on a clear downward trajectory since SAF's retirement. Those are facts.

They're not mentioning injuries yet it's because of injuries that Liverpool performanced poorly last season

you are delusional

because he's an appallingly bad manager, that's why

ten Hag STILL has to use players that got Ralf, Ole and Jose the sack.

Should watch at least the first 30 seconds of their Utd-Pool FA cup preview. All four pundits (including the formerly excellent ones from TIFO) were absolutely convinced Ten Hag was clueless, Klopp would pull out another 7-0 and do a jig on Ten Hag’s grave… Athletic has not just gotten clickbaity, they’ve got some fundamental flaws in their analysis as well…

it isn't clickbait. He deserves the sack and thankfully will be gone at the end of the season. Awful, awful manager

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Maybe but I am not entirely convinced that he sucks as a manager and coach. I'm ok to give him another season, but better transfer decision-making is definitely needed.

@@davidgriffith1552 I'd disagree with the statement that Ten Hag is clueless. The worst thing that I see on the pitch is not the tactics (they sometimes work and sometimes don't), but mistakes and poor decision-making. The midfield and front line keeps giving the ball away. The coaching staff can do exercises for that, I guess, but can they really turn a Rashford/ Bruno into Bernardo Silva who can keep the ball ?

Arteta was getting a lot of criticism. Especially over the suicidal nature of how they were playing out from the back.

@@aidanmagill6769 could well be recency bias on my part. Do you think it was comparable to the criticism that Ten Hag gets, or do you agree Ten Hag is being held to a higher and unrealistic standard? I do remember a lot of “well Arteta clearly doesn’t have his team playing like Pep’s team, but not for lack of trying” kind of commentary.

haha you are clueless. Try a different sport, you clearly don't understand football

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere lmao you don’t understand football. Check you replying to all the comments you freak. Sack the manager sack the manager! You don’t know anything about what success takes

I've already heard that 'narrative' about a 100 time already, sure to hear it a thousand more times

Pathetic.

@@jgmediting7770 no, you

Not when they appoint southgate..... That would be ineos out..!!!

no it's because he got a red card. You have to leave the field and can't sit in the dugout. It wasn't dark when he got his red card so it's unlikely it was time for his iftar (to break his fast)

I think you're right but I hope not. I'd hope Utd would play enough games next season that the 3 of them could rotate.

The fa and government literally pressured United to pull out of tbe fa cup. Nobody at United wanted to.

Let's revisit this comment when City is playing in the National League North some years down the line.

Learn what the process of fundamental change looks like.

You spelt "115" fan wrong, buddy. Don't forget where your club came from. 🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢

As a united fan,I am well aware of the fact that the powers that be can give him any length contract they wish,but,as with any contractual employment they can terminate said contract at any point,should they believe it necessary. It's just a narrative the press can use for engagement.

​@@paddylast5839Man U is oil 🛢 club my friend not City.

@ifldiscovery8500 factually city is a plastic oil club. United Liverpool Arsenal, etc, are real clubs with real history.

@@ifldiscovery8500 You havnt a fcuking clue whist up there you Melt!

It was part of the plan though? United had no intention of waiting for penalties