It really is crazy how quiet the SD is. Almost hard to believe there's a full 9x19 load of powder going off in there. It just sounds like the action cycling.

Ya I was thinking the same thing! I had the joy of experience that in real life 8 years ago. I guy brought his suppressed AR9 to a shooting event and the sound the bullets made after hitting the steel target and flying into the wild blue yonder was so cool! The zipping whistling noise they make is so cool and weird, you really need to experience it in real life.

If supressors were not an NFA item we could all experience this.

I sincerely hope whomever does Ian's production/filming has a separate setup for recording those ricochets. They would make a great sound library for future action movies.

5:17 is my favorite ricochet noise

Pretty funny that he then says: "I saw that one." We did as well!

Good eye!

Practice helps.

better than what?

@@TheGreg6466better than he used to be

@@TheGreg6466 than he used to be - dip into the archives and you see he wasn't near as good as now & hated them coming up in a match

​@@TheGreg6466 Ian is better with spinners than his younger self from few years prior.

let HK do the honey badger today

@@Bonnir They could have at any time. Q tries new things. When's the last time HK genuinely tried something new?

AND it's a bespoke gun. The HKs are mass production. A bespoke HK .300 SD, utilizing 2024 knowhow, would certainly be bancruptingly expensive (ja, it's not our fault you can't afford our superiour german engineering, peasant), but it would kick Honey Badger ass. Not that the HB is a bad gun. But just look at the uncomfortably hot handguard and only being able to use a third of that handguard, because the can blocks the M-LOKs. No. Just no.

@@darthhodges Well there was the one time they tried to sell the world newer, lighter SMG's with simpler delayed blowback system and much more extensive use of polymers and everyone was like "we'll stick with these 35-year-old, heavier, more complex things you already sold us". On a more serious note: yeah, German gun manufacturers don't have a good historical track record for continuing innovation or pre-empting the market in order to stay ahead.

And yet the MP5SD beats it in two key categories: Cost of ammo (you can run any standard 9mm in the MP5SD, whereas the Honey Badger needs .300 Subs) and you can't cosplay a 80s action movie with the Honey Badger the same way you can with the MP5SD. So I'd take the MP5SD any day. Unfortunately it is a handgun under German gun laws (barrel is under 30cm) and suppressed handguns are quite restricted here (center fire long gun suppressors are available with just my hunting permit without any additional prior approval or tax stamp, I just need to report the purchase, like with any other long gun). So it is kind of my unicorn gun :(

Don't knock the weapon for the user's handedness challenges. ;-)

Yeah, that’s ‘ableism’ 😆

​@@blshouse This is what is colloquially known as a "skill issue".

Honey Badger don't give a ****!

@@1312Johnny calling it 'ableism' implies being left-handed is a disability, haha.

Insurgency Sandstorm is where I know it from

False. Honey badger dgaf. Honey badger never dies. Honey badger hates container ships and poors. Honey badger loves halo jumping and scuba diving. Honey badger smol and very angery. Honey badger protec, attac but most importantly fits in your backpac. You besmirch honey badger at your own peril.

What's a call of duty ghost?

@@fonesrphunny7242the first time cod introduced the weapon into its games in 2013

Still play that, of all the CoD series, it's my favourite

An MP5 will always be cooler than any "AR looking" gun.

The mp5 was great the first 20 years it was out. Now it's laughable, still awesome and usable but laughable in comparison

@@GUARDIAN.13it’s the equivalent to like a gold plated gun now, in thought it’s the coolest thing ever but in practicality it’s useless and not best option. to me tho it’s got the cool factor like he said

​@@GUARDIAN.13 Obsolescent? Yes. Laughable? How dare you.

@@vault_dwelIer when I can compare a delayed blowback AR in 9mm and it is almost half the weight, one third the price, last round bolt hold open, better ergonomics and uses Glock mags I tend to use the word laughable. So yes it's laughable in comparison when actually thinking about more than it's icon status.

@@GUARDIAN.13 Awesome and laughable. You should take some logic lessons.

Except a 300 blk super isn’t much heavier than a 9mm super. This argument applies for a full loadout of subs but for a split loadout 300 blk offers more power, obviously range, and versatility.

@@K-bob_45 what I mean is that in the same space of kit, you can carry roughly twice as many magazines, though each individual magazine is going to be heavier. Twice as many, heavier magazines, you can carry double the round count in the same space but it'll be over twice as heavy. All the other pros and cons in the video still stand of course

@@joaoie I don’t think a 30 round MP5 mag loaded with even 124 supers is gonna be lighter than an AR mag (polymer or aluminum) loaded with 300 blk supers

@@K-bob_45 I'm not disagreeing, in both my comments I say the MP5 has heavier magazines.

​@@K-bob_45he's not talking about the weight of the mags, but the physical size. Two MP5 mags can roughly fit in the same size pouch as a single AR mag, so you get double the ammo capacity for the same amount of space.

You mean his 8.6 Fix that is so terrible built that he has to tape up his magazines just to get a manual action to run. F Q! Brittingham is a grifter.

I'm going to wait for 10 Blackout.

​@rootjr.3658 he actually has the boombox which is 8.6 in same design as a honey badger

Yo I loved your stalker mods back in the day

Usually any content, be it games, media, educational material etc, gets better, peaks, stagnates and declines. Forgotten weapons just keeps getting better and enternaining throughout amazingly long time. I'm happy that people appreciate that!

FYI, action noise can actually be relatively loud. Especially in very quiet guns. We discovered in testing that a well suppressed 10/22 actually has a louder bolt drop on an empty chamber than the actual report. Interestingly, there is also what we call the "brass dampening" effect: bolt drop on a loaded round or spent casing is significantly quieter than an empty chamber due to natural resonance.

Sound on videos is VERY misleading. There is a clear loud pop at the muzzle on both of these firearms. Yes, the action contributes, but these things still sound like 22LR IRL.

Must be the same language my astromech droid uses. 🤔

that's pretty funny, thanks for pointing that out

I thought this was a collab I've missed before realizing lol

@@updog4Lhe's also worn NAFO-OFAN patches before, really cool stuff

i was like "did anyone else spot it?" great to see i wasn't alone :D

I’m glad he is supporting the gay pride movement 🏳️‍🌈

Oh man, I'm so jealous of the rabbit hole you're about to go down. I wish i could experience Ian for the first time again. You have YEARS of Gun Jesus content to get through. Go check out the "What Would Stoner Do" series where Ian and Karl from InRange go through designing the AR-15 using Stoner's original design theory plus modern manufacturing/materials (which also includes clips of Stoner himself explaining his intention when designing the AR-15). Then rejoice when you realize you can go buy the result of their work. Or make your own version. I followed their blueprint, with some minor differences, and it's by far my favorite rifle I own! Edit: for reference, my iteration came out at around $1k. It includes a 14.5 FN CHF pencil barrel with pinned/welded A2 birdcage, the KP-15 monolithic polymer lower, KE Arms SLT-1 trigger, EOTech 512, and a 30+1 total weight coming in at just under 7.5 pounds. Took some time waiting for deals on parts, but completely worth it. Absolutely outstanding rifle.

Where are you paying $2 per round for subsonic .300 BLK? Shit, at $2 per round I'll gladly sell you subsonic .300 all day long and buy an equal amount to what I'm selling you for myself.

​@@SCAR16Lhis point stands in that 9mm will forever be exponentially cheaper than 300 BLK

Good point and well said.

@@andrews.7754 I don't think you know what exponentially means. 80 CPR vs 35 CPR is not "exponentially". Also, exaggerating like he did is just him shitting all over the point he was trying to make.

Or just buy the MKE SD version, no conversion needed, if you are outside the US...

I've always thought of it thusly: there's _right_ handed people, and then there's _correct_ handed people.

You mean wrong handed.

Especially in the gun world I'd imagine

As Dugan Ashley would say. Become right handed.

And then there's me, a right handed dude who's blind in my right eye so I shoot left 💀

Yeah, didn’t understand his fixation on semi-auto doubles if there are auto triplets

i guess the lesson here is that we already reached a pretty solid position in terms of ballistic and now we are in a bit of a plateau with barely any advancements, not much we can do about it imo until we get widespread caseless ammo

The other thing some would not take into considering is penetration (or over penetration in this case). Yes the 300 blackout honey badger is far better in every aspect in open space where you are expecting to deal with the enemy and enemy alone, however in an anti-terrorist situation, that can potentially lead to over penetration which could inflict secondary wounds to civilians. That’s where a 9mm holds advantage because it is far less likely to over penetrate than 300 blackout. But in an overall sense, yep honey badger is essentially better in every way than the MP5SD EXCEPT that scenario alone.

Well...yeah. There's a different (shorter) buffer system.

Mechanically they are the same.

​@ChadVulpes yes, thats why it would be interesting

@@lifes2short4aname Sorry, I thought the commenter said a comparison between AS VAL and VSS. Ignore my comment, please.

That's a pretty big gap. You can assemble a "badgerlike" ar with almost no tools for 1/5 of the price of an SD in 9 these days. Love the classic slap too, but you can't argue with the modularity of the ar and the benefit of carrying 200+ gr. subs.

Honey Badger don't care

The M1 cannot use the heavy 220-250 grain bullets that make 300 Blackout worthwhile as a subsonic cartridge. The Blackout family of cartridges - and their unfortunately proprietary, nearly identical ancestors the Whisper family developed at SSK back in the 90s, are intended for use in normal-length rifle actions. The blackouts have shorter brass than usual in order to accomodate long, heavy bullets, but they have little in common with the vastly outdated Winchester Self Loading family of cartridges the .30 Carbine comes from. Also .30 Carbine doesn't match 7.62x39 ballistics the way supersonic .300 Blackout does.

You should look at the 350 legend it is essentially a modern version of the 30 cal ammo the M1 used. Its a 9mm bullet in a straight case .223 case. But i would challenge the use of the word "regression" It is a production representative of need. Heavier bullets with shorter cases and range are just better in a close quarters setting. Whether it's hunting terrorists in a cramped compound or hunting deer in heavy brush something in a handy package that hits hard out to 100yards is going to be better than a larger weapon with a longer range.

Have they really? That’s interesting.

@@Ozyrus Yeah that makes way more sense than ARs, even though your military did just buy a crap ton of the best ARs America has to offer

But one can't probably find said 300 blackout as paratroopers dropped behind enemy lines o do recon and sabotage during world war 3. Hence why MP5SD does what it does. Ultra silent, still can kill person plenty well weapon of high volume of fire on moment of need with the most widely available around the world ammunition. Not only is it your standard ammunition..... it is probably also your enemy's standard ammunition. Plus just on own side also, any units logistics train could support MP5SD. You could just hand a unit bunch of SDs and go "here is a sneaker tool for your recon patrol to use. Like the standard submachine gun, but really silent" Different jobs, different requirements. Top tier raid unit, doing this one specific job with massive prep and logistics support: honey badger. Fighting total war scale continent spanning war of national survival: MP5SD

the suppressed ultimax i saw years and years ago was surprisingly quiet, not delisle or m76 with the suppressor quiet, but was still quite impressed.

presumably only on full auto

If the bolt sliding in place is the final point of noise, you've done an amazing job as an engineer! ... But there's still work to be done. ;)

@@ScottLovenberg There's plenty of guns where the action is the loudest noise when used with a suppressor

It may help a little, but you can't eliminate noise of bolt going back into battery. But it will make a gun longer (so you have more space to fully stop bolt before it hits back of receiver), or you'll need to abandon collapsible stock to do it without changing overall length.

This is likely true, it was recognised that SWAT engagements may now need to take place over variable ranges within the same encounter (think roaming terrorist in a mall or a school shooter who could be between buildings, across a sportsfield or in a classroom). This was never really a tactical issue in the past. Also, over-penetration of higher calibre rounds was a serious concern in the past. Standard 5.56mm ball at close range could easily pass through a target and a wall, ending up hitting a civilian/hostage, a friendly manning a cordon or even some onlooker/journalist if your luck is bad. What changed the game was frangible ammunition which was introduced in the early 2000s. This allows 5.56mm stopping power and range without concerns for ricochet or punching through a target/wall. Frangible ammunition got its combat test in Iraq/Afghanistan and has also seen heavy usage in maritime operations. For a modern Western military, it is clear that the SMG no longer holds dominion for planned close-quarters operations and there are now better options for dealing with body armour when you have rifle-calibre rounds at your disposal again. The only potential advantage I can see to the MP5SD is its quiet rapport with off-the-shelf 9mm. I don't know enough to be able to say whether there are equivalent options with better-performing ballistics and without needing proprietary ammunition but I could conceivably see this as being a rarely required niche that the MP5SD could still fill. For organisations with more significant budgetary constraints, the MP5 platform probably offers excellent options in a common standard calibre without needing to spend money on fancy ammo and without facing logistical problems in making sure the right ammo is available at the right moment.

@@ramsayt2419 I think in theory, a niche where SMGs could really shine would actually be home defense. Body armor isn’t so much of a concern as most burglars are opportunists looking for a quick lick. This is assuming the SMG is something easy to control like an MP5. Of course we’ll probably never know for sure as an SMG in a home defense role is so highly unlikely and uncommon that we wouldn’t have enough data points to make any determination, and even if we could it would be too impractical of an acquisition to matter.

I might be misremembering, but I think they do have a video testing the MP5 on a spinner in full-auto. It isn't quite as simple as you describe, but short, well-timed bursts _can_ allow you to get an extra round or two on the plate before having to adjust your sights to the other side, and you _sometimes_ could spin the plate faster than you would with a semi-auto MP5. It wasn't a game changer though like you would imagine it to be and they certainly weren't spinning the plate with half-mag bursts on the top plate. All that being said, you have a point that the sub-machine gun aspect was left out of the comparison, but he does mention at the end of the video that the MP5 is the clear winner when it comes to controlled recoil or shooting tight doubles/triples. This point would logically extend to shooting in full-auto as well. In other words, if you had a full-auto Honey Badger and a full-auto MP5 you are going to see the more controllable recoil for the MP5 stand out for sure when comparing full-auto fire, but I can't imagine it would change the overall pros/cons (in my mind). Of course, I am more than happy to take one of each! Give me an MP5SD (with the Navy-style trigger pack because three different options for automatic fire is better than one, right?) _and_ a Honey Badger (in full-auto as well because this is my fantasy where I get two expensive firearms for free so the ATF can fuck off). ☺

You literally can put an adjustable gas block on any AR

@@KoyoteMaglen it's not included in some (at least) "big names" AR-15 even those in 300 BLK, and I don't remember exactly what Ian said in the video but it was like "the stock configuration Honey Badger isn't perfect when you want to change type of ammo 'on the go' / 'in fight'". And I'm 100% don't know is SWAT-like or GIGN-like units across the world are willing to pay a bit more to have this capability. Idk 🤷

How about a 10mm option?

@minkinomics3002 Indeed. If there is any platform the 10mm is perfect for, it's a carbine like the MP-5. Edit: to be clear, as long as you're not forced to use "standard" supersonic ammunition like the 124gr 9mm, there is little reason to use a special version of the MP-5 like the SD.

Isnt there the ump loaded with .45 that is already subsonic? Yhe

@@minkinomics3002 The FBI used it on all kind of MP5 (not sure if some LE agencies used the UMP 10mm, but I'm sure the idea of using it was dropped in favor 0f .40 and .45 on the UMP - can use 9mm as well - and the MP5 in all versions is currently only being used on 9x19mm) and dropped the cal almost right after starting to use it.

Exactly. A full auto MP5 is still one of the flattest and softest shooting “machine guns” available which is incredible for a 60yo design. But subsonic 9mm is essentially just .380. The 40% more mass of 300blk and the fact projectiles are specifically designed around subsonic performance equates to fairly significant differences in damage to soft target

Jeez, how in gods name did you see that. For reference, go frame by frame on the shot taken at 7:37 and you can see the lead for one frame. Impressive!

I thought the moment when friction exceeds acceleration for 300 was 16 inches.

The suppressor is separate; just one stamp for the gun.

The local Sheriff has Ian in speed dial for suppressors at this point, I'm sure. He might even get frequent flyer miles but now! A friend here in Minnesota applied for a suppressor on his match rifle and was up and running with it in about a year after first applying. Because, clearly reducing hearing damage should be a chore for the citizen and an allocation of resources on the government side. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box.

@@ScottLovenbergthat requirement is no longer valid.

@@ScottLovenberg Face it, Gov't is going to make it difficult for avg. citizen to use their rights & its only going to get much worse.

​@@guytech7310 as long as any government exists you have no rights

Yeah I’d like to see a similar comparison with the Rattler, and maybe another MP5 replacement like the APC-9 /APC-9SD. Make a whole series on “MP5 replacements” lol

Sig Rattler is much heavier than the Honey Badger.

@@chipsterb4946 I was looking at the 5.5” barreled rattler… it can’t be that heavy… lol. It’s only like 18” long if you detach the stock. It’s tiny. That being said I don’t know the weights on either one and have never actually handled one either. I was a Marine Infantryman. Had 22 months of combat over three deployments to Iraq. I used an M4/203 with Optic, light, and a pac(whatever) IR light/laser designator, occasionally a quadrant sight, plus sling. Weighed a metric 💩ton. 😂 I must say that weapons manufacturers have made some advances since my day.

@@jastrapper190 actually the Rattler is 6 pounds. I was surprised the first time I picked one up. Honey Badger is 4-1/2 lbs. However, I’d rather deal with Sig Sauer customer service every day of the week and twice on Sunday based on personal experience with both them and Q.

@@chipsterb4946 I guess to get the function they have in such a compact package it would have to be pretty dense. lol I’m trying to guess what my rifle in the Corps on my last deplyment weighed. Off the top of my head I wanna say the M4 with magazine was 8 pounds and an M203 was 3 or 4 pounds loaded with a HEDP. Plus aCog which probably was a pound or two. Say 12 pounds. Six pounds! That’s like a feather. 4 1/2 is ridiculous… that weight is for little girls! 😂🇺🇸

Geolocation nerds be like: "Oh I'm not very good at this but I saw two plants and a fence and used them to geolocate your position with a margin of error of about one metre..."