Can These Hall Effect Joysticks Work in a DualSense Controller?

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While I enjoy the feel of the orange Hall effect joystick, it does feel different; “smooth” seems to be the most common adjective describing it. So I've still been looking for a Hall effect joystick that feels like a regular potentiometer-type joystick. And I think the Hall sensors in this kit get as close as I've seen. But there are complications. Modifications will be required to get these joysticks to work with a DualSense controller. And they do have a higher noise output than a regular joystick. I do a bit of modifying, a bit of testing, and a little teardown. And finally, it does end up in a DualSense controller.
Joystick kit link: a.co/d/8fHmbYt
GamePadTester link: hardwaretester.com/gamepad
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00:00 Intro
00:43 Unboxing
01:18 Functionally Test & Failure Mode
03:22 Hall Sensor Parts
04:56 Modification #1
05:52 Response Testing
10:16 DualSense joystick replacement
16:15 Modification #2
18:23 Teardown
20:05 Final Thoughts

Пікірлер: 57

@brian7android985 Ай бұрын

"Buy two, get one!" Great advertising, lol.

@CallumRepairs Ай бұрын

You've put a great deal of effort in to this video. Thank you.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

@joshmclain3599 Ай бұрын

Awesome breakdown!!

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

@blorbb5398 15 күн бұрын

Super interesting video. Thanks

@metalplasticelectronics354 14 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@Alexander-sc3hl 12 күн бұрын

That blue joystick is used with the calibration board i think.

@metalplasticelectronics354 11 күн бұрын

With the calibration software shouldn't need a board anymore.

@Arunnn241 Ай бұрын

Thank you for this. Extremely helpful! For some reason, the dualsense edge joysticks are all out of stock and so now I'm looking at reg dualsense joysticks to resolder in the controller.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

Glad I could help!

@danielweaver8505 3 күн бұрын

Me to 😂😂😂

@chrisfeaka4250 Ай бұрын

There is actually 3 now. 😉. Nice information

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

I ordered a couple of them yesterday. I also saw some advertised as Hall effect, but the pictures were of regular joysticks. Those I didn't try, almost positive there going to be regular joysticks.

@GregRosolowski Ай бұрын

I would love to see tests like this using Jun Zengs calibration board. He reccomends these sensors with his board.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

May not be a need for the boards anymore. This may solve all the problems: blog.the.al/2024/04/09/dualshock-calibration-in-the-browser.html.

@legitcrack6438 Ай бұрын

@@metalplasticelectronics354 id like to see a comparison to see if i should remove the boards, pretty sure its same sticks in this video that i got with them, would put rest to my input lag paranoia.

@pac-man-ooo5520 18 күн бұрын

How in the world do you recalibrate these I try the holes and I hear no click lol I try to orange joystick works good and then I try these blue one and it suck won't go to center even tho I got it to center when I go up it won't come back perfectly I think it's defected

@metalplasticelectronics354 17 күн бұрын

It is best to use the software to calibrate now. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zsx7ZNaS1dyUiX0.htmlsi=Wvl3Z1bWaDqlGp6i I go over the calibration software. To shift the magnet in these, you have to deform the plastic shafts, tedious to say the least.

@Bdishman1 Ай бұрын

I often get really bad stick drift in my ps5 controller and Instead of buying a new controller i took my controller to a repair shop and asked the guy to fit hall affect joysticks in them can someone tell me if this was a good idea and if they last longer than original playstation joysticks and tell me more about them

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

The Hall sensor and magnet should never wear out. Sensor might go bad, or something mechanical might break in the joystick. Should outlive a potentiometer based joystick by a long time.

@MiguelDeMarchena Ай бұрын

Maybe just by leaving the joysticks as they are but reversing the wiring on the controller you'll get the desired effect, i think that by cutting two cooper traces and adding two jumper cables on each analog you can get both to work as intended

@Pixelchaos 16 күн бұрын

I can do this mod in the Netherlands for whoever needs a repair/upgrade.

@surendransinniah7302 12 күн бұрын

can u test hall effect dualsense at ps5 instead of testing PC? i would like understand hall effect no issue on console

@metalplasticelectronics354 11 күн бұрын

I don't know of a program for the PS5 that will show circularity. I just use the Gamepad tester for the numbers. After I replace a joystick I always play a few games on the PS5 to make sure it works.

@Yusuf-ti2lw Ай бұрын

What is the best hall effect joystick for the fps

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

Of the two I have tried I would say the K-Silver ones from this video. Though you have to do a bit of work to use both joysticks. But I just got 2 more kits from Amazon and I hope to be testing them out over the next couple of weeks.

@tonka8080 Ай бұрын

The K silver out of those 2 but in all the Green Favor Union ones feel the best to me. I've used them all. Even got my hands on some Kailh Hall effects

@jackipiegg Ай бұрын

16:44 Isn't the magnet south and north poles opposite sides? and not "left and right"?

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

I would think the magnet poles are aligned with the axis of movement. That is why I just rotated the magnet 180 degrees. But I've never used a Hall effect sensor in any projects, so I'm not positive.

@jackipiegg Ай бұрын

@@metalplasticelectronics354 For one, I'm 99.99% sure they don't manufacture magnets that small with "left/right" poles. Could you take a magnet and see if it attracts the same for "left/right" at the same face? If it does, wow, I need one of those. But yes, I'd imagine their custom hall effect sensor works differently from off the shelf parts seeing how the voltage is halved when it gets close. Standard sensors work by having it full tilt when magnets get close. i.e. North = 0V, South = 1.8V unlike this which is 0.9V.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

When I bring two of the magnets close, they always snap together, smallest face to smallest face. So I’m pretty sure the smallest faces are the poles. But you’ve piqued my interest in the Hall effect sensor magnet interaction. So I may try and do a little video on it.

@jackipiegg Ай бұрын

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Wow the small sides on each end? Do dismantle the cheapo orange ones you got for 10 pieces to their bare pcb. The chip is hidden from the internet lol, no datasheet of any kind.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

I couldn't find any information on the Hall sensor in the orange ones or the K-Silver. But the magnets seem to be about the same. Yes, the poles are on the small ends.

@ydobp Ай бұрын

Anyone have a place/company they would recommend for with like this? I wanna replace my ds5 with hall effects?

@miker13 Ай бұрын

eBay 👍🏼

@ydobp Ай бұрын

@@miker13 I meant like a company that did this service. I've burnt a couple controllers too many and thank you for replying

@miker13 Ай бұрын

@@ydobp Yes well.. if you're in the UK you should see several listings for pre-modded and mail-in services.. including my listings 😋

@miker13 Ай бұрын

@@ydobp sorry my messages keep getting deleted. I think it's because of my wording. Follow my previous message and you may find me 😅

@GOATGamerProSticks Ай бұрын

If you reverse the magnetic field does that usually work. Or is it chip programmed not field dependent? The deadspot centering is on a central friction cylinder hub on some, not a magnet slider. As for the voltage I'm wondering if you can actually use any of the available hall sticks from DS4 or Dualsense as long as you flip the required magnet then can program the pre set voltage parameter, while it's all together in your latest vid. That might be a detection problem for the pad hardware before we could even get that far with it. I'll have to watch your last 3 vids on halls to un blow 🤯 my 🧠 logic. On your findings.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

Yes you can rotate the magnet and use both joysticks.

@GOATGamerProSticks 29 күн бұрын

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Wow I've just watched your latest 3 videos again to see what you have discovered. So the blue K-silvers you have there have zero magnet axis rotation adjustment 😭 for the centering 🎯 just deformation twisting the plastic but still has the pin holes 🕳️ 🤤🫣. W⚓'s they are lol. Maybe they decided it's not needed with the right program or they are copies made simpler 🤷🏼‍♂️. Who knows the market ☯️ decisions to confuse us all on purpose 😉, but we collectively got there in the end 👍🏼. The chip orientation & magnet 🧲 fitted pole 🧭 position decides the axis digital workings - / + or + / - across all brands that are all different 🤦🏼‍♂️, some with L/R colour coding & lettering but if you can flip the magnet you can change it anyway 💪🏼. Lastly the voltage ⚡ parameter is that just chip saved pre programmed per intended console pad 🎮. And that can be altered also it would seem if I'm following the working logic? Well done 🫡 sir you have smashed ⚒️ the forbidden knowledge out of them 🤫🫢🤭. Built back butter 🧈🫠 lol.

@metalplasticelectronics354 29 күн бұрын

Yes in the K-Silver Hall joysticks the blue magnet holder has the correct magnet orientation. The magnet must be rotated 180 degrees in the white magnet holder to work in the DualSense controller. With the calibration software adjusting the magnet is not as important now but it can still have some effect on the circularity of the joystick.

@Klipi09 10 күн бұрын

Its works for the dualsense Edge Controller?

@metalplasticelectronics354 10 күн бұрын

I do not know, don't have an Edge controller to test with.

@NoDefinitiveAnswers 15 күн бұрын

What happens you drop the controller with hall I'm effect joysticks?

@metalplasticelectronics354 14 күн бұрын

The Hall sensor and magnet are not that sensitive to shock, plastic would probably break first.

@NoDefinitiveAnswers 14 күн бұрын

@metalplasticelectronics354 That's good to know, I recently bought 2 controllers with hall sensor joysticks and dropped one by accident, so I'm just curious

@Imcrimsoncuh Ай бұрын

They have pcb boards that correct the outer deadzones and make them circular.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

I'm not sure how the adjustment boards would work witht he Hall effect sensors. I guess it would be possible if the operating voltage of the sensor would go low enough. But It may not mater anymore. This may solve all the problems: blog.the.al/2024/04/09/dualshock-calibration-in-the-browser.html. I've only tried it on a dualshock, but it worked. I hope to get some time to try it out in the next couple of weeks.

@legitcrack6438 Ай бұрын

get with the times bro

@miker13 Ай бұрын

The reason your stick was registering the opposite values is due to a recent quality control issue at K-Silver. I received a batch of 20 where the magnet had been installed incorrectly during manufacture. The magnet was reversed and this inverted left/right. It's fixable by removing the magnet, rotating it 180° and replacing it. Oops: i hadn't watched the whole video before posting this 😅

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

Are the magnet holders different colors in the batch you received?

@miker13 Ай бұрын

@@metalplasticelectronics354 yes exactly, can't remember which way round the colours were but one was white and the other was blue.

@metalplasticelectronics354 Ай бұрын

Okay, same as the ones I got then. Thanks.