Enough tape and it sounds like the high-end First Act cymbals.

Good video, it's just difficult to hear the differences with the ride when the snare is so loud

I love Stephen in this video!

2-4 sounds about right

*One of the questions that I've been getting asked a lot on social media and via email is about taping the ride cymbal. What does it do? Is it ok? Will it harm the cymbal? Is it normal? How much tape do you need to use? How much is too much?* *So in this video I team up again with my good buddy Stephen Clark (aka The Non-Glamorous Drummer) and we set out to see if we can discover just how much tape is TOO much. We have a lot of fun in this one.* *Be sure and subscribe to Stephen Clark's channel here: **kzfaq.infofeatured* *Watch the other videos in this series:* *Does the ROOM Affect the Drum Sound?: **kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ba12hpSIyqyzmnU.html* *Which Zildjian Ride Cymbal Is The BEST?? | Cymbal Shootout: **kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZiblZN6u-CrcZs.html* *Is There REALLY a Difference Between Burying & Bouncing the Beater: **kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aKmlprZ8r5aZnWw.html* *Leave a comment below and let me know what YOU think about taping the ride cymbal!*

So, no more than 2, in other words.

Wonderful video and collab that MUST have taken forever to shoot and edit!!!!! Thank you both!! I REALLY wish you would’ve had a practice pad on the snare so we could better distinguish the changes in the resonance of the ride, tough!!

So this is the new L80 ride?

Hi Stephen(s), I like this video because it brings up a couple of points of importance and is thought provoking. First in the studio anything goes to get the sound you need....as long as it is moral!( Love that bit!😂) I agree 100%. Part of the "art" of music making is in the creation of the tool required to overcome and succeed. Another thing I'd like to point out about this is, in my opinion, the 3rd version of the cymbal was the last version appropriate for that backbeat. To my ears the wide open was best, but again, MY EARS & MY OPINION. I could see where chokeing that cymbal more with tape might be necessary in a lower volume, "torch song" or soft ballad or possibly even live stuation where controlling the ride with stick technique might be a challenge and a darker ride is not available. It might have been a more instructive video if that had been demonstrated or at least addressed verbally. Less experienced drummers may have walked away from this video with the idea that at some point that cymbal sounded like utter crap. And they no doubt might have been right based on the back beat you were playing. Their inexperience may have kept them from considering or being aware that the extremely deadend sound might actually have a place in a studio or live situation. The last thing I would like to point out is also for the less experienced drummers who have never played along to a click! I'm sure you would agree that the editing for this video would have been an absolute nightmare rather than the seamless, dead on result you got if not for the click! Essential piece of equipment for any and every drummer, no matter how big your ego is ( aka internal metronome! Yeah, I said it!😜😅). Hope niether of you or your followers take my thoughts as negative. This was just my take away of an excellent demonstration! I should clarify my use of the term "less experienced drummer" doesn't mean strictly newbie drummers. As well, it includes those who have been playing for years but have not yet run into this situation in their journey. Thanks for your indulgence! Peace to all!

Great video! It helped me to decide what and where to place to mute a little bit my cymabls sound!

I’m loving these vids man

I ordered some gaffers for this very same cymbal. It’s my favorite ride but oh boy it’s a super lively cymbal that could use a little taming. Can’t wait for it to patina out. Long live the 22” Renaissance!!!

I've taped a couple cymbals when I had to play in a bar where the floors, and the walls were all wood, and concrete. I also think that muffled tom heads work well for 70s style country. Personally, I think that 4-6 pieces of tape sounds best for muffling a ride cymbal. 6-10 might have some limited use for an 808 kit. But anything after 11 pieces just sounds horrible!

Love the collaboration! I am subscribed to Stephens channel as well :)

Thanks for the helpful video! I play e-drums for over 10 years and am about to buy some cheap, crap REAL cymbals. I feel like taping them is definetly an option if they have to much of an "big, uncontrollable" sound.

I'm a three tape man in the studio with a 21 inch Sweet Ride, cuts the low end wash a bit.

Hi. What is this thingy you put on your snare? I've been looking for these kinds of drum set percussions but couldn't find anything..

How to turn a constantinople into a k custom special dry LOL

He played on the snare so much that it de-tuned 😂

Great collab guys

00:30 STEPHEN CLARK BLINKED!

At first I was so confused, seeing Stephen Clark in the Thumbnail but the channel was Stephen Taylor

Great video! I have this same exact cymbal and I love it, but often it needs just a tad bit of dampening. I have a question for you. When filming this, how many pieces of tape was your favorite for the groove you were playing?

When it got to around 8 it started to sound like my artisan elite 22” . Dry and dead ... tape and T-shirt that was hilarious

Im not sure what i think about sustain after hitting a crash what do you think?

As you added more tape, did you find it more challenging to not lay into the cymbal more to get the resonance that you are used to hearing?

now the "no tape" version sounds so bright and has so much sustain!

It’s an amazing cymbal to last that long with so much tape. It rang much longer in to the test than I thought it would.

I only really see tape as useful when mics are involved, otherwise the ringing overtones get drowned out by buzzing amps or blend into the horn sections. Also I don’t really want to cover my cymbals in tape at home because I’m just gonna forget to take it off till three years later, at which point the residue will be permanently part of the cymbal.

I've never needed to tape any of my cymbals or cowbells for that matter, I'd hate to try to get rid of all the left over residue from the tape. I'm not knocking anyone who does, it's just not for me. I have a Paiste Signature Series Medium Heavy 22 Inch Symphonic Ride which has great pinpoint clarity & a huge bell sound. If I need a more washy less loud ride, I have 16" & 18" medium crashes that double as quieter rides. I have put some bath plug chain hanging via a drilled hole from the wingnut, which hangs down around 3/4's the length of the cymbal as to not choke the sound too much. I get a real nice sizzle sound with plenty of sustain, it's cheaper than buying a riveted cymbal & only costs less than 5 bucks to make. Only drawback is unintentional striking of the chain, but this doesn't happen too often.

New Ride Cymbal King Crimson 'Discipline' album cover at 3m+ mark. LOL "No matter how I break it down, I think I like it!" I have a couple of heavy Paiste rides that need tape in a recording setting and at some smaller venues. Usually just a 1x4" strip or 2.

+Stephen Taylor +Stephen Clark Great demo guys! I've got at least some amount of gaffer tape on nearly all of my rides to dial-in the wash. HOWEVER, I really would have liked you to play 4 bars with JUST the Cymbal ride pattern (no kick or snare) with a few crashes thrown in, and then at least 2 bars with a nice bell pattern. And while that's a fun, seriously CRACKIN' snare drum, a few bars with a MUCH lighter touch on it would've revealed more of the delicacies of what was happening with the cymbal as you progressively added the tape. Don't get me wrong, I know these types of videos take a ton of time & work to put together, and you gotta have some limits, so I definitely appreciate the time & energy taken to produce it...you definitely earned a 👍.

Stephen what's that snare mic stand/claw?

i use clear PP (polyprop) tape on bottom of cymbals.. has the same effect as duct.. but you don't see it ... also, taping just the cup of crashes can lower and control them ..

So is this a hack for muting a cymbal?!? I really need a low volume cymbal but I don't want to drill holes in it

Me: So Stephen, do you like taping your ride? Stephen: 6:13

Use flex tape

Loved this vid! Gonna experiment on my Ride cymbal for live. I’ve been looking for that “just right” wash to ping ratio and didn’t know how exactly to do it. 👍🏻👍🏻 Btw, what was that bouncing dampening thing on the top of the snare? Sounded awesome. Thanks guys!

I think it stopped sounding like a ride at 3 strips of tape but with all that tape on it I think it would make a cool effect cymbal

Genial, y podrías hacer el mismo ejemplo pero con un plato con sonido brillante o estridente como por ejemplo Sabían B8pro, o marca similar?

Cheap low volume cymbals

Loved up to Eight pieces of tape

I like the Stephen with the beard.

I’m new to your channel. Came here from rdavidr would love to see your collection of drums and cymbals #zildjianalltheway

both of my online teachers ❤

If you’re having to use that much tape to get the sound you want, maybe you need a different cymbal.

I could watch the Stephen and Stephen show every day. The Stephen+rdavidr show? Not so much...

I bought a 16" Paiste Signature full crash, a bit too bright and explosive, gotta tape it a little...

I tape underneath with some folded gauze. It's focused just enough to pull the excessive ring out but allow the cymbal to still perform naturally. I start midway from the Bell.

4:07 no tape 5:03 3 tape 5:42 5 tape 6:17 7 tape 7:09 10 tape

Stephen looking like he's gonna take a bite out of that cymbal

I have a Paiste 22 inch 2002 ride that doesn't require tape. Now I wonder what's wrong with me.

Yup!!

whyyyyy oh whyyyyyyy! Maybe you should try tin snips?

So i can either put 14 strips of tape on the bottom of my ride, or alternatively use a spare piece of sheet metal I have laying around, good to know! Fun video though, i'd love to see more stuff like messing around with drum sounds and doing bizzare things to kits. I could totally see some of these "insane" things getting people a specific sound they're looking for. Edit: also the editing on this video is worthy of an award

I am not sure but for me, no tape on heads or cymbals. I have always scoffed at it. Maybe it is for drummers that play too loud, I don't know. I bought a sticky hand to use for moongel, but I have never used it.

Moongel works well too.

For some C R A Z Y reason, I felt like it was hard to breathe while listening around 8ish. Could this be the true meaning of "Choked"? Great informative video! Thanks

Damn with all the tape on it started sounding like a zildjian!

Short answer...YES!! : )

This may be the wrong place to ask, but can you (if you have I haven't come across it) do something on your thoughts about cowbells? I'd love to know more.

Max tape sounds better than, say, the Z practice cymbals with all the holes in them.

Y'all gotta interview Steve Stevens !

by 8 pieces, it definitely just sounds like a hi-hat

between 2 and 4 is perfect for jazz in my opinion. just enough wash to get out of the way quickly.

Have you experimented alternatively using moongel? Great video by the way

Instead of taping my cymbals I use Cympads, they come in different sizes and don't leave any residue. Way better option in my opinion!

Okay what snare is that I need it

I think around 2 or 3 is about right for the crash, but the tape also kills the ride a bit

Who knew you could use tape to hold down your cables lol

I thought 2 pieces of tape sounded great!!

I'm going to try Painters Tape.

next vid: can you have enough cymbals?

After 12 pieces of tape, your cymbal sounded like a 22” Sabian Jack DeJohnette model I used to have

4 strips was the sweet spot

It's cool when worlds combine.

Yup, a ride mic would have made this a useful video..

I think, in this cymbals case, when you had 4 pieces on it ¨it improved¨ish after 8 it got too dark and then some....

Its all about the edge of the cymbal

Wy tape'''and take the beauty of the cimbal??I think cimbals are nice the way they are..😎🇵🇷

Now tape up a quiet cymbal and see if it makes it louder cause you're adding more area

what kind of tape are you using here?

Gaffa tape not gaffffffffffff tape as you said it haha.

10.50 Grand Master Flesh

Stop at 10 IMO. Good balance there.

I know from experience that if you put too much tape, the cymbal will have a dead sound

I would say 4 is about the limit?

Snare pops more with each strip.

I cringed when I saw the tape over the logo...

0:00 None of you is Steven! You're Stephen! Get it right! :D End of the video edit: This video was way more fun that it was supposed to! Great job!

The cymbal is pretty much dead after 5 pieces

- If you think your ride is too lively. - I you need to tape it up - If what you actually wanted was a crash. You might just have bought the wrong cymbal to begin with...

2 sounded best in opinion.

For me putting tape on a cymbal is like cutting a Lego brick...

No more than 4 pieces of tape.

Jim Black says no.

Tape 1...2............17...shirt.......blanket......mattress......

wow....i hate it....i tried some gels and i liked them....on my crashes and even on the hats, but right about #15 and up you are just KILLING the cymbal....and T shirt makes that gorgeous ride crash sound like a cheap piece of junk....im looking into this cos im bout to start recording, and mine are a little loud.....smaller sticks and gels from the dollar store are gonna have to do. now if i can just learn top PLAY BETTER.....lol.....but you guys are entertaining and fun together.....two drummers....how could that NOT be fun?. the Stephens....

long sleeve guy is definitely the QANON Shaman without the stupid hat and face painting. definitely.

Steven, it's ok to be married to your favorite ride cymbal😉