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Candy Flipping Optimized: Why LSD + MDMA Points to Blissful Nondual Awareness and How to Maximize It

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Andrés Gómez Emilsson

Andrés Gómez Emilsson

Күн бұрын

PLUS FOUR, n. (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a "peak experience," a "religious experience," "divine transformation," a "state of Samadhi" and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.
- Alexander Shulgin, PIHKAL, pages 963-965
In this video we provide a general "theory of candy flipping" that aims to explain why LSD + MDMA is so synergistic. What makes, say 200 micrograms of LSD and 150mg of MDMA so prone to be spiritual, psychologically healing, and loving? To get there, we address the following three questions:
1) How do we improve research on candy flipping?
2) How do we optimize candy flipping proper? And how do we generalize candy flipping for even better results?
3) What would a general recipe for Shulgin's ++++ be?
1- We go over current methodologies used to study candy flipping and why their results are limited (Straumann et al., 2023). Then we explain how a "think tank" approach (e.g. phenomenology club) allows us to create more phenomenologically grounded research paradigms (Gomez-Emilsson, 2021). By weighting in the personal experience of highly precise psychonauts with skills in areas like physics, math, visual art, and signal processing, we can arrive at mechanistic models such as those proposed by Steven Lehar (Lehar, 2010) where MDMA causes your world simulation to vibrate in pleasant ways, which in turn "smooths out the rough edges" of the LSD state, or models involving annealing dynamics (Gomez-Emilsson, 2016; Johnson, 2019; Gómez Emilsson 2021, 2023). This kind of approach would deliver phase diagrams, wave mechanics, and nonlinear effects into the picture.
2- Optimizing candy flipping can be done by looking to generate the kind of synergy MDMA + LSD achieve in the best of conditions. Of note, trip reports involving low doses of each together with 2C-B and cannabis are discussed and analyzed. One needs to be mindful of annealing dynamics, drug effect arcs including how to handle the MDMA comedown, and pattern-focused readings of wave effects that for lack of a better metaphor could be catalogued as "qualia lensing".
And
3 - We hypothesize that the key ingredients to catalyze the blissful nondual awareness that comes from high-end candy flipping are (a) a full-spectrum energizer, (b) something that increases interconnectivity, and (c) a deeply relaxing agent. The combination of these three elements gives rise to a highly-nonlinear effect I call "FU§ION (Field Unification Search/Simplify in Invariant Optical Networks; to be fully unpacked at a later date), where all of the "resonant cavities" are fully relaxed, have a high degree of impedance matching between them, and are energized, so that they kick-start a "field harmonization" process that culminates in profound blissful nondual awareness. The energizer shouldn't be narrow spectrum (like cocaine) and the relaxing agent shouldn't be too blunting or non-Newtonian (like opioids). Examples of each:
a- LSD, DMT, Mescaline, Psilocybin, 2C-B, 2C-C, etc.
b- Cannabis/cannabinoids, 2C-B
c- MDMA, pregabalin, nitrous, ketamine, GHB
Combine one of each, carefully dosed, and you might get a ++++. More research is needed :-)
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Relevant Links:
Lehar, S. (2010) The Grand Illusion. Excerpt "The Phenomenal Character of LSD + MDMA (Candy-Flipping) According to Cognitive Scientist Steve Lehar". Retrieved from qualiacomputin...
Gomez-Emilsson, A. (2016) Peaceful Qualia: The Manhattan Project of Consciousness. Retrieved from qualiacomputin...
Johnson, M., (2019) Neural Annealing. Retrieved from opentheory.net...
Gómez-Emilsson, A. (2021, May 8). Healing Trauma With Neural Annealing. Retrieved from www.qri.org/bl...
Gómez-Emilsson, A. (2023), Neural Field Annealing and Psychedelic Thermodynamics presentation at PhilaDelic 2023. Retreieved from • Neural Field Annealing...
Straumann, I., Ley, L., Holze, F. et al. Acute effects of MDMA and LSD co-administration in a double-blind placebo-controlled study in healthy participants. Neuropsychopharmacol. (2023). doi.org/10.103...

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@albert.robles7
@albert.robles7 Жыл бұрын
Psychedelics🍄 killed my drug and alcohol dependencies - one trip two years ago to purge my depression and chronic anxiety from my system was the best decision I ever made. I've done LSD a few times since, but after my last high dose trip I realized that the medicine has taught me enough for now. I might return to psychedelics later in my life if I ever find a source.
@katlinkate
@katlinkate Жыл бұрын
Strongly recommend just sticking to shrooms if you want an hallucinogenic experience. I was given “acid" one time by someone I trusted (at the time) and it turned out too intense that the trip lasted for 24 hours. Can't really be sure what you're getting aside from shrooms. Cause I personally have never had a bad experience with mushrooms though.
@cannydave
@cannydave Жыл бұрын
[adamsflakesx] Ships psychedelics
@albert.robles7
@albert.robles7 Жыл бұрын
​@@cannydavehow can I reach out? Is it Instagram?
@nickclowes
@nickclowes Жыл бұрын
The experience I had is unexplainable it's out of the world, it got my mind of anxiety and healing prosperities of DMTand other psychedelic products are underrated, you don't have to be skeptical about the use of psychedelic products like magic mushroom and more, you'll get clarity and an open mind
@cannydave
@cannydave Жыл бұрын
Yeah
@VibesGak
@VibesGak Жыл бұрын
Andrès, your videos are always so informative and well explained, thank you, best content on youtube
Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so! 🎉
@JeffMccombe-yd3tu
@JeffMccombe-yd3tu Жыл бұрын
These neutralize the ego and alow it to be transparent to our spirit soul . Like a dark cloud pushes away another dark cloud and reveals the shining sun light.
@doctorinternet8695
@doctorinternet8695 Жыл бұрын
1:13:33 This comment on psychedelics is exactly what I was thinking recently. I experimented with 4 argyrea nervosa seeds (containing LSA) and had an experience with lots of anxiety. During it, I was able to notice that a makor component of this anxiety was that I was feeling tension briefly interrupted by relaxing release. The tension was constant and lasted to the point of I almost forgetting it was there, but them a moment of release came, remindig me of the tension. It felt like my mind was a bucket of turbulent water, in which occassionaly all the out of phase waves combined into a low frequency wave, only to quickly diverge once again. I repeatedly tried to "catch" the low frequency wave, with no success. This perception prompted me to realise that the same thing happens on mushrooms, producing some disconfort. It also happens as I'm falling asleep but trying to stay awake andis specially noticeable while trying to meditate.
@erlendgerhard4905
@erlendgerhard4905 Жыл бұрын
Candyflipping is a very interesting combination of energies, thank you for bringing this up! I`ll share this with our psychedelic student society. Love from Oslo!
@LoVeLoVe-bi2rq
@LoVeLoVe-bi2rq Жыл бұрын
4 AcO DMT + MDMA can be taken almost simultaneously or 30 min apart and is amazing, mystical and mindblowing
@AdamWoodhams
@AdamWoodhams 11 ай бұрын
I love this. Amazing that these thoughts are accessible by almost anyone with an Internet connection I've been thinking about Syrian Rue and DMT which is a fairly common combination for many Would the relaxation effects of Syrian Rue, combined with vaped DMT have similar effects to the combinations that you mention in the video?
@ormark3006
@ormark3006 7 ай бұрын
it will be "CHANGA" go 4 it !
@thoughtcriminal7653
@thoughtcriminal7653 Жыл бұрын
I've found that 4-HO-MiPT tends to combo extremely well with acid.
@VahnAeris
@VahnAeris Жыл бұрын
Last content i enjoy to watch currently. I'll keep it for the right time. I just think you're too optimistic on many things and seems that you think we can beat universal entropy. But you an artist shaping your fantasy , i don't even want to wake you up. Maybe we are going to dream it for now.
@georgedotjohnston
@georgedotjohnston Жыл бұрын
Hands down some of the best thought food here, really appreciate your work Andrès
@Const121
@Const121 Жыл бұрын
thank you very much for sharing your work
@tylermanley2933
@tylermanley2933 2 ай бұрын
Wonderfully thoughtful analysis! This resonates with some of my own experiences. Thanks for the great articulation.
@Chimbocoto
@Chimbocoto 11 ай бұрын
4-ACO-DMT is an excellent substitute for psilocybin in the 3-5mg (de minimus) dosage range. Wait till you feel it coming on then a comparable 75-100mg mdma as you recommend, then go outside in nature. Something phenomenal happens thereafter that is consistent/repeatable, & the experience is much longer lasting (12+ hrs). compared to the base components of the mixture (4-6 hrs max).
11 ай бұрын
Wow! And what happens?
@Chimbocoto
@Chimbocoto 11 ай бұрын
@ There is a come up similar to a rocket launch (5-MEO comes to mind) that serves as a portal between the normal waking serotonergic state and the transcendental. Through that portal a calm clarity sets in where multiple perspectives can be considered concurrently yet somehow without thought. For instance, I was once standing in a pool up to my chest, and the pool was ringed by trees - I concomitantly felt the water dancing around the body, the wind running through the trees in a vortex pattern, the trees swaying in coordinated response as audible & visual information, with songbirds peppering the story tastefully - all while feeling the sun's rays being absorbed and transformed into infrared heat while contemplating the dimension space healers reside in while performing their "miracles". Overall there's a clarity to the space where one doesn't feel high or altered, it's just a calm serene joyous eternity for a while.
@enviromad
@enviromad Жыл бұрын
i think once one has developed a deep sense of spiritual awareness mdma is no longer required or not really as effective psychologically
@mightlightt
@mightlightt 4 ай бұрын
This makes sense..
@andyswoe
@andyswoe 5 ай бұрын
It sounds like a psychedelic revolution +_+ Waiting for my 3rd candyflip with this new information synergizing my self experience.
@NihilisticRealism
@NihilisticRealism 3 ай бұрын
Just as caffiene borrows wakefullness from the future, i've come to see MDMA as borrowing wellbeing/happiness from the future. At least, in my limited experience
@gabefinalperigee
@gabefinalperigee Жыл бұрын
damn. can't wait for the grand opening of Qualia Research Academy
@deeyarshree
@deeyarshree 9 ай бұрын
Thanks 😊
@akxx-bj8me
@akxx-bj8me Жыл бұрын
thanks andrés, very informative as always. Would like to know your opinion on MDMA + 5 MEO , there are some faciliators out there working that way.
Жыл бұрын
Aside from possible side effects and physiological interactions, I do think that such a setup is likely to increase the chances of good experiences. I've heard it reported as a good combination a few times. If it works as expected, I would imagine that it is among the things humans have that really hits on and maximizes the bliss function.
@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881
@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881 4 ай бұрын
I'd be worried about triggering serotonin-syndrome with that combo. The first 1000 times humanity tries this, it might be a good idea to keep a doctor on stand-by.
@donbroni
@donbroni Жыл бұрын
In many ways psilocybin or LSD plus music as an object of focus replicates the effects of candy flipping, the music seems to engage the emotional body which has the effect of smoothing out the effects of LSD and creating more coherence flow states relaxation and euphoria though there are more factors to get that into a mystical state. Also has anyone experimented with magnesium or gabba as an aid for smoothing out classical psychedelic trips ? My usual candy flip dosage for a mystical experience was 200mics of LSD 120 of mdma, with mdma taken 4 hours after LSD ingestion. Each time it was a profound non dual quality with visualisations of a torous field emanating from the heart and circling through the top of the head.
Жыл бұрын
You know what you're talking about :-) I think it points to consciousness having other phases, some of which are actually really blissful, like the heart-centered torus you report. Of course it only lasts for a bit, but as a research lead it is of enormous significance.
@donbroni
@donbroni Жыл бұрын
Ive candy flipped at least a dozen times over a 10 year period and I would say I've had some of my most profound experiences in that combination, the synchronisation of brain and heart is profound and possibly closest to 5meo DMT in both it's mystical and euphoric qualities. I once tried it blindfolded while listening to the John Hopkins psilocybin playlist, the experience itself was incredible but the euphoria it generated was so much I couldn't sleep for 11 days and I can tell you that is a trip you don't wanna have 😅
@JHeb_
@JHeb_ Жыл бұрын
11 days? You mean hours?
@donbroni
@donbroni Жыл бұрын
@DuoTheGreat Yes 11 days no sleep and no psychosis , on that trip I dosed mdma at 90 mills which didn't seem to push my state to the types of somatic release I usually get on a typical candy flip, 120 mg , so I felt like there was no place for those emotions to go or flow somatically .the ratio of 200lsd /90mg of mdma needed more mdma for that full non dual release , there was alot of energy generated from both the music and the mdma with not enough Somatic space to release emotionally I felt the energy getting stuck in my head which left a contraction for 11 days , the closest I could describe it was like having a wartime PTSD where people would talk about heightened euphoria that left them feeling wired and full of anxiety. The method I used to find sleep was a lot of touch and hugging from a contact dance community I am in. I've tried that John Hopkins psilocybin playlist on both shrooms and a candy flipped and i would say the music alone is high energy and very emotionally stirring to the point that there is some violence to it, a friend tried it too and and on mushrooms it was very beautiful but we both agreed on the violence . Definitely there are gentler playlists out there that follow a more gradual and gentler journey. I would also add I did two candy flips after that with music blindfolded and many before but with my usuall 120mg of mdma and would always find that full release into a non dual state like phase change of my Consiouness so my theory is that ratios do matter and sometimes less is detrimental especially if it's high energy without enough Somatic relaxation.
@petrelaskov7090
@petrelaskov7090 Жыл бұрын
Did that JH playlist on my very first psychedelic trip with LSD - 150 micrograms. This day is the most important day in my life. Others took the same dose and had a regular trip, having fun. I had an intense A&P experience on that Shiva track that pushed me in a full-blown disintegration and a unity mystical experience (for the first time in my life I got in touch with direct experience - I needed 27 years of tale chasing and a miracle for this to happen) @@donbroni
@toni6194
@toni6194 Жыл бұрын
That would explain why i did have such an experience (none dual nirvana, beeing one with everything) when i was on lsd as an energizer and cannabis to enhance the connectivity. I wonder what would have happened if i would have thrown some deep relaxation into the mix, because actually letting go was a real damn process...
@bustville
@bustville Жыл бұрын
Shirt qualia of the day was good in this one😊
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@HealthFoodRx
@HealthFoodRx 6 ай бұрын
That LSD “tug of war” can be excruciating. Especially combined with a trauma based cognitive dissonance in the background… I love your work!
@TheGschwartz86
@TheGschwartz86 Жыл бұрын
This was great. Thank you!
@alexandersimakov6147
@alexandersimakov6147 8 ай бұрын
very good video. thanks!
@duendeverde7601
@duendeverde7601 Жыл бұрын
Hey Andrés, what's your favourite compound or combination for music appreciation?
@peliper17
@peliper17 Ай бұрын
Hi! I have only tried Mdma twice. Soooo good experiences. Never tried LSD, I want to but make me anxious. I was wondering if its a good idea to try Lsd and have mdma just in case of too much anxiety? Can mdma help in case of bad trip? Thanks!!! :)
@olvegg
@olvegg Жыл бұрын
But what about the timing? I am 3/4th of the way through, maybe it’s talked about.
@sachins6196
@sachins6196 7 ай бұрын
I candyflipped recently took about 150-200 Mug acid and 100 or less mg of MDMA. I remember when the mdma peaked I could feel and see love in the colors of the lights but I didn’t get the usual high of mdma alone. I am guessing I probably did too less mdma to notice the effect
7 ай бұрын
Probably not enough MDMA 😆
@samkemmis3233
@samkemmis3233 9 ай бұрын
I'm curious about the resonance chambers mentioned in the second half of the video. Those sound a lot like chakras and other mystical notions of energetic chambers. I'm also curious why somatic relaxation is so important for this synergistic effect, or what evidence that's grounded on. I come at these investigations from a much more intuitive place, yet consider somatic relaxation an essential component of positive psychedelic investigation.
@maciejsiedziako680
@maciejsiedziako680 2 ай бұрын
Can you link somewhere the graph that is on the thumbnail?
@toni6194
@toni6194 Жыл бұрын
Ive tried shrooms plus md, 2cb and md, and also acid plus md. I couldnt tell you which one was the nicest.
@iamthefiremanjj
@iamthefiremanjj 4 ай бұрын
I have these experiences without substances
@Aedonius
@Aedonius Жыл бұрын
what about the cathinone version of mdma? Bk-mdma aka methylone. i dont think ive ever come across real MDMA because this was always far better than anything i got that was supposed to be Molly
@CeRockTV
@CeRockTV Жыл бұрын
Do you have an opinion on combining psychedelics with 4-MMC? MDMA to me is a gamble, most of the times the experience is not very euphoric and can even induce anxiety, and 4-MMC for me produces a similar experience (though with a little less empathy/magic)
@nikolai.x
@nikolai.x 25 күн бұрын
So are you suggesting to not wait 3hrs for candyflip?
25 күн бұрын
Please provide context in the video - I don't remember saying that
@nikolai.x
@nikolai.x 24 күн бұрын
In the beginning you mentioned different protocols - mdma first, both together and classic candyflipping, mdma 3 hrs in. And then I didn’t get - what’s your best bet?
24 күн бұрын
@@nikolai.x ah got it. Taking it after. Definitely not taking it at the same time. Taking it before can be ok with a medium dose of MDMA. But would be bad idea if strong dose due to comedown overlapping with LSD.
@brainoil6442
@brainoil6442 7 ай бұрын
is there a higher risk to get like stuck in a trip if I take mdma and acid at the same time? I am a experienced in acid however haven't even taken mdma on its own, I plan to do so first, however I'm curious and wondering.
7 ай бұрын
Higher risk of pain attack, extreme nausea, and anxiety That's the main reason to space them a couple hours from each other
@brainoil6442
@brainoil6442 7 ай бұрын
@ gotcha, thank you for responding so fast man, much appreciation to this video and to you.
@TK-mv6sq
@TK-mv6sq Жыл бұрын
Candy flip start with nitrous oxide? Or did I get that wrong? And start with nitro and lsd at the same time?
@RazorbackPT
@RazorbackPT Жыл бұрын
Inhaling nitro is a thing that gives a 1 minute high. Taking it at the same time with LSD would be like not taking them together at all since it takes an hour for LSD to kick in. It's pretty intense so it's recommended to do the nitro past the peak of LSD. I don't think Andrés recommended nitro for candy flipping. Just nitro + lsd is something he mentioned as another way to achieve the desired experience.
@TK-mv6sq
@TK-mv6sq Жыл бұрын
@@RazorbackPT thanks man! I got a little confused with all the substance combinations thrown around :D
@Changwen666
@Changwen666 9 ай бұрын
Candy flipping with like 5 puffs of sativa, omfg, had the best night of my entire life
@Changwen666
@Changwen666 9 ай бұрын
Danced in a jungle during rave for 12 hours
@AECommonThread2137
@AECommonThread2137 5 ай бұрын
Candyfleeping
@AIWASS999
@AIWASS999 Жыл бұрын
IDK man, IDK.
@douwejan
@douwejan Жыл бұрын
@marianpalko2531
@marianpalko2531 Жыл бұрын
4:32 41:36
@ernestorojo885
@ernestorojo885 10 ай бұрын
No mms wey eres mexicano has videos en español. Los gringos tienen un chingo de divulgación científica. Nada que ver con el morro que le grito espurio a Felipe Calderon.
10 ай бұрын
En su momento, pronto :-) Una aclaración es que mis videos no son de divulgación, pues más bien son ideas originales y todavía no demonstradas por la ciencia. Es decir, lo que digo en ellos es puro choro! 😆 Bueno, por el momento.
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