True.

SLCs?

I agree it would still be running better elsewhere.

I went to Mt. Olympus for the first time. I actually thought Zeus had more air time. Hades is faster though for sure and has crazier elements, but not much airtime after that first drop

Yeah, I guess that's what you get when your tickets are $5 per person after paying the $35 parking fee. You can touch the trees on Pegasus, Cyclops, and Zeus. A general no-no in the coaster industry. The water park is included and it's awesome, but there are no formal changing rooms, just regular bathrooms you have to use to change in. They don't even enforce the no-hats policy. The ride operators go from ride to ride in the same shifts. That is ultra-rare. They didn't have mask mandates and they stayed open throughout 2020, which IMO is a good thing and rebellious in a good way, but perhaps not the majority general public opinion at the time even if it was my opinion.

As with all their coasters.

True!

Last time I rode Hades I literally felt the same, I've ridden this coaster every other year for the last 10 years and when I went on it last summer it literally felt like Hulk as a chiropractor trying to rip my head off and turn my back into a pretzel.

Cyclops was fine even before the retracking in my opinion.

Hades and Pegasus are the only 2 that are rough for me.

If the coasters don't do it, the go-kart fumes will.

I liked Zeus that was fine but 2015-2016 hades was peak

The tunnel is a wild sequence.

The layout is incredible.

Me too. #6 for me.

It also comes down to the park's willingness to do maintenance. Voyage is doing fine, but Holiday World has done so much trackwork on that one.

@@CanobieCoaster I'd peg The Boss as a middle ground here. They do replace an extensive amount of boards and a good amount of track every single offseason, and early in a year it does ride significantly better than 'normal' - they even always have a couple pallets of wood on hand for spot replacements during a season. But there just isn't much time during a season for anything more than small TLC. So as the season reaches the heart of summer the roughness returns. If they replaced a larger percentage of track the way Holiday World does smoothness would definitely last longer but the park's maintenance team does try very hard to keep it from turning into a dumpster fire with the budget they're given. All of that experience with track work carries over to the other two woodies too. American Thunder is kept in great condition and Screamin' Eagle has no need for a Racer or Beast style retrack and they always have it running well. And it doesn't batter itself into a pulp by October despite being the second most intense woodie there.

@@Danrarbc That’s very interesting. I got a ride on Boss at the end of the season in 2018 and it was unbearably rough, but I’ve heard good things about it too

It's a tough one to marathon for sure.

Thanks!

I just want it to be smooth. I agree the layout is amazing.

@@CanobieCoaster I've never been to Mt. Olympus nor rode Hades but this ride should defintely get either the RMC 208 retrack treatment or the GCI Titan Track treatment, because this ride has such an incredible layout that it has great potential to be reridable.

Thanks!

It's a bit of an endurance test, but it's intense.

I've heard this place can have quite a bit closed if you visit outside of peak season.

When did you ride Mine Blower? It got extremely rough this year.

Enjoy! It's rough, but the layout is amazing.

That chain smack!

@@CanobieCoaster is that good

I don't know how they could retrack the tunnel, but it could use it.

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True, but the single bench trains are set up more comfortably with regards to vibrations.

True

I can see how some think roughness adds to an experience, but usually it's a negative for me.

i would say that Cyclops and especially Pegasus are far rougher. It felt like Pegasus was doing everything possible to snap my neck lol Hades is definitely rougher than Zeus though. Zeus is the smoothest of the "Big Four" at Mt. Olympus

Millennium Force is super smooth.

Interesting point.

Love the layout, but I do find it very rough.

I wouldn't do Titan track honestly. I would want for Gravity Group to do their own retracking with their new pre-cut wooden track (Racer + The Beast at Kings Island). I know they themselves can be capable of improving their rides.

It absolutely could benefit.

It needs different trains... Those Timberliners are even rough on the family coasters... They are trash!

I think this is a policy they have on the roller coasters at Parque De Attractiones De Madrid in Spain.

@@mitchellries256 well they're cheapskates when it comes to their rides then. It has nothing to do other than them wanting to save a little extra money at the expense of their guests time and happiness. It's a terrible business practice

It was a valley risk with the new trains and I'm sure they didn't want people to get stuck in the underground tunnel, but they fixed the camelback that was the most problematic spot.

@@CanobieCoaster understandable, they definitely should have considered this in the refurb- it's as though they just don't care. They reprofiled the one hill and basically said "hey we tried 🤷‍♂️"

@@mitchellries256 I was at Parque d'attraciones in 2018 and I can't remember their policy on this. I think they weren't honouring row requests. I had to let a whole train past me to fill up and get the next front row on their Intamin invert, forgot its name.

A full retrack would help immensely.

I imagine this would be a sweet night ride.

I'd love for them to retrack this.

It got way rougher for me between 2019 and 2021.

@@CanobieCoaster and also 2020

@@CanobieCoasterbut I wanted to ride it this way

The roughness doesn't enhance the ride for me, but I love the layout.

It's also probably damaging the discs in your spine!

@@thisrollercoasterlife498 worth it

@@mariokartwii123100 Damaging your spine definitely isn't worth it. It's an AMAZING layout that is deserving of better track throughout it. This would be less of an issue if the park had a good maintenance team - but they have the opposite of that and all of their woodies end up riding like crap.

@@Danrarbc I rode it 7 times total, I don’t think 7 rides is enough to cause damage

I've never had a lights on ride.

@@CanobieCoaster me either but I’ve had a lights off ride but I will keep getting them

I agree there's a good chance it doesn't stay smooth given their maintenance.

Falcon’s Flight may open next year.

It looks nice, but I heard the old trains may have run better.

Nice!

If this were perfectly smooth, it would be a borderline top 5 wood coaster.

@@CanobieCoaster Absolutely! I have ridden renegade, which is well renowned as well, and I think if Haiti’s were smoother, it would be a better ride

You're welcome.

Absolutely!

Enjoy!

I just wish it was smoother for my tastes.

I hope they do some retracking on this soon.

It's nuts.

I don't think the 360 part is the problem. It's the lack of trackwork.

I enjoyed Mine Blower in past years (as recently as 2020), but it was brutal this past February.

People don't know the difference between rough and forceful.

But I absolutely love hades 360° with the lights off the most! Rode it in 2021 and sadly found it too rough😢

But I love hades 360° too especially with the lights off inside of its tunnel during the daytime in regular speed and rode it for the first time in 2021 and rode it for the second time in 2022 and sadly did find it too rough in 2021

I think you're onto something. In my opinion, PTCs run better than Timberliners AND Millennium Flyers in terms of rider comfort (not talking about the ergonomics, but their ability to absorb vibrations with the heavier chassis and wooden passenger compartment). They may be worse for the track over time; that part is likely true. The fact that Holiday World kept trying Timberliners on Voyage and never made the switch tells us something. I suspect they just had to admit they rode worse than the PTCs.

I think it also comes down to park maintenance. Holiday World, Waldameer, and Kemah are three of the most proactive parks when it comes to taking care of their wood coasters.

But I only rode this only in 2021 and 2022

I want this thing smooth.

It's an intense ride.

I hope they fix it.

Avoid Voyage too then. Avoid Mineblower as well. They will be too much for you.

@@gametime2473 Voyage is pretty smooth considering how aggressive that layout is and how well Holiday World has maintained it. I haven't done Mine Blower yet, but I've heard horror stories.

But I was brutally focused on that jackhammering while having that mythical long overbanked turn on august 15, 2021👿💪🏼🤘🏼🔥

I don't care who retracks it as long as it's done.

I got my first rides on Mine Blower & Hades in 2019, and I would say that Hades was a little bit rougher, but both were barely tolerable for me. Now, on my late 2021 & early 2022 rides on Mine Blower, that thing is horribly rough, and I cannot even tolerate it anymore. I rode American Eagle on the same trip as riding Hades in 2019, and Hades was easily rougher. My Great American Scream Machine rides in late 2020 didn't feel that rough to me. Grizzly (KD) in 2021 was barely beyond what I could handle.

Hades 360 is currently comparable to 2022 Mine Blower, but it's a longer ride.

I'd love seeing Titan track here. Not sure how that works for future maintenance though.

@Arrow Dynamics Inc. yes but sometimes companies will only guarantee a product if they have an exclusive maintenance contract. For example, it used to be the case that a car company could say that your car warranty was void if you had it fixed by a shop that wasn't owned by the manufacturer. That only recently changed by federal intervention. I wouldn't be surprised if most coaster manufacturers had similar contracts for coaster maintenance and repair. S&S honors the contracts that they bought out from Arrow when Arrow closed. It would be interesting to see how something like Titan Track would affect coasters built by manufactuters other than GCI if the park had an existing contract with the prior manufacturer.

@@CanobieCoaster The cleanest thing contractually would be to use the new Gravity Group precut track on here. My biggest worry though is the park just plain doesn't do track maintenance so I'd worry about them getting more wood track - even that track is supposed to last longer. At the same time we don't know how Titan track holds up over time so maybe there's still a problem there. I'd probably trust the long term reliability of 208 RetraK in this park's hands the most - but it's also probably well outside their price range.

Hades 360 easily.

Mine Blower was brutal last year.

Sure is.

I'm praying that's one of the rides getting the titan track that's unaccounted for.

It's hard to argue with this park's price.

Definitely makes sense to hit this early since it's the longest line most days.

Hades 360. Mine Blower was running really shaky in 2022, but that one isn't nearly as long of a ride and you also can see the entire layout.

@@CanobieCoaster I rode Mine Blower in June of 2021 in the front row, and it was by far the roughest and overall worst coaster I’ve ridden since I can’t do roughness

I don't think rough tunnels are a positive. The elements in there are wild enough on their own.

Both are very rough, but Coaster Express is shakier and has a much worse layout.

I agree either of those tracks should help.

GCI has the titan track, but I think Gravity Group has a pre-fab track option.

@@CanobieCoaster oh I got confused there I meant GCI

The trackwork is bad.

Both are very rough, but Coaster Express is rougher with a worse layout.

It's way rougher now by most accounts.

It always fascinates me when manufacturers retrofit rides they didn't build. At least Gravity Group did the track and trains here.

It's a very rough ride.

Coaster Express and Hades 360 are very rough, but Coaster Express is worse. Wilde Beast is bumpy but not as bad as those two.

It's rougher. I didn't find Bandit as bad even in the very back.

Hades 360 has better restraints (lap bars). Both are rough. Hades shakes you. Ednor has lots of headbanging with the over the shoulder restraints.

It would be great if anyone retracked this.

I pray this ride gets trackwork soon.

@@CanobieCoaster I pray this ride never gets trackwork soon forever

But it’s tunnels were pitch black

No, but it's very rough.

I wish!

sadly i don't think Mt. Olympus wants to put in the time and money to invest in remodeling Hades, especially with RMC treatment...although I could be wrong because they did introduce the Medusa Slidewheel

I always loved log flumes as a kid and couldn't wait until I could ride the bigger stuff.

I pray they retrack it.

@@CanobieCoaster Same. it would be elite

Great America's

I thought Coaster Express was worse.

Gravity Group has put inversions on conventional wood coasters.

Possibly. This section did get worse between 2019 and 2021 though. I don't know how it was on day one.

@@CanobieCoaster Yeah, I'm sure the natural aging didn't help which is weird because an underground section isn't subjected to the elements.

I much prefer Voyage.

@CanobieCoaster I agree since it is longer. I just hate MCBR. I know they are necessary for some coasters, but I still don't like them.

The layout is intense on its own.

I had to.

Rough

Like some, hate others.

Never rode Son of Beast, but I heard that was brutal

It's up there, but Coaster Express is worse.

In 2021

Sure does!

Hey canobie coaster! This ride does not need a retracking!

@@CanobieCoaster No sure does not

I prefer to be able to straight up enjoy a ride myself.

@@CanobieCoaster same.

If it were perfectly smooth, yes. It's layout would make it a top 10 wood coaster.

@@CanobieCoaster let's sneak in one night and retrack,lol!!

Yes, it would be top 10 worthy if it was smoothened out to a rideable condition.

It's very rough unfortunately.

It's an aggressively brutal ride.

The roughness bothers me more.

@@CanobieCoaster but I bothered me in 2021😢

I hope no one ever crosses those low fences!

Yes

Prefer smooth

It would be cool.

Not surprised! I've seen the line longer than the halfway point, but I don't hop in line until it's less than that.

I've heard it was bad.