Should be RP mark 2, but I understand they're trying to simplify the line.

Makes the R8 look like an afterthought because the r5, r6, and r7 are in line with their dslr predecessors (5d(ff), 6d(ff) and 7d(aps-c).

R10 APS-C, R33 APS-C and R66 will be full-frame 😛

classique camera manufacturers... i would make camera per use cases with a animal name for exemple and then increment the version/edition per year or so.

5D full frame, 6D full frame, 7D aps-c… I guess the odd one is the new R8 replacing the rp . Back in the DSLR times canon didn’t have a cheaper full frame alternative whereas these days competition has forced them to have a cheaper “6D”. My guess

Lol. I agree.

I hope those who play with r8 and r6ii, also play with s5ii then 'wow..... Canon is really good at annoying customers'

I disagree. I'm looking for a entry level full frame camera. As an amatuer this gives me most of what I need at $1k less. Thats pretty compelling. The cheapest Sony is the A7C which doesn't do 4k60. And even the newer A7IV has a crop. So I imagine the rumored A7CII will be close to $700 more and only do 4k60 with a crop. The only downside at this point in lense selection.

@@richrollin4867 IBIS and IS into that term bring more stability. With IBIS - 4.5 stops, with IBIS - IS combined - up to 7.5 stops. It's *not* an advantage, it's what it was going on since xx years this way, Canons 28-135 IS USM came out into 1998, and featured IS (Image Stabilizer, also it was good only for roughly 2 stops). Canons EF 75-300/F4-.5.6 IS USM was 1995 the #1 lens with IS, from Canon.

@@cjenkins79 you can get a7iv with sigma 24-70 2.8 for 300$ less than r8 with 24-70. in no way r8 is a good deal

haha do you know Canon is really good at making a imperfection camera? haha

Shot 500 photos yesterday with the my Sony A7iii and it still has 88% battery life remaining.

@@YaYousef5 yea lol my a7 iii for some reason takes so many shots before it goes out

So people will buy canon r6 mk ii lmao

This Body is far more efficient than the RP but I still think the battery should have been bigger.

Yes, but the Z5 is already ahead in a few aspects... mainly dual card slots and IBIS. The Z5 is more so designed for stills shooters with the ability to shoot things like 4k with a heavy crop (one of its biggest drawbacks). The burst rate is slow, but nothing that we didn't have in DSLR days (and people still got great wildlife shots with 4-5 fps). Nikon does need to improve their AF system, but I think that will not come to the Z5, as I suspect there will never be a Z5 II. What there will be is the Z6 III (And the Z6 II will become the new middle-of-the-road FF camera for those who want more than entry level, but not the latest version either for cost reasons). Followed by a Z8 (which I'm thinking will be a mini Z9 with some limitations -- and then possibly a Z7 III which I'm predicting will get a little improvement in AF (but not to the Z9 or Z8 level) but a resolution bump (to 60MP using Sony's 60MP sensor found in the A7 IV and V). Part of the reason we won't likely see a Z5 II is that Nikon would have to put a different sensor in it, which isn't the end of the world, but the most logical choice would be to give it the Z6 sensor, but then that makes you wonder who would buy a Z6 series body if the two have the same sensors and the two could do 4k (the reason the Z5 has the heavy crop is due to the readout speed of the older FSI sensor -- presumably the same one found in the D750 with modifications for on-sensor AF -- presumably cannot perform a full sensor readout that would be fast enough unless it did something like line-skipping which people hate).

I think Nikon might just call it Z6III instead of Z5II........

Looking forward to the same video mode as CanonR8

@@HR-wd6cw Canon R8 is much lighter camera than the Z5, I guess thats what Canon wanted to go for, a super lightweight full frame camera, it weights almost as much as the Sony ZV-E1 at 461g, lighter than even the Sony A7c although it lacks IBIS which both the Sony bodies do have for similar weight.

Nothing really special about the R8... it's middle of the pack. I think the Z6 II is about equal, and i'd even say the Z5 about as good.

Had to pause the video right there and check the comments to see if someone had said this. I agree. I hate the "x million dots" that camera manufacturers are stuck using.

This. Works pretty well, not so fast as the joystick, but it's just an option. It's a shame that it isn't mentioned...

Sony goes for lenses, Canon for cameras. I wish we could have both.

When I last looked into third party solutions, I only saw canon suing and threatening companies to stop making new lenses.

again, canon forcing that crap LPE17 battery on people. They learned nothing from the RP backlash.

Exactly. I am not buying anything new from canon, unless they allow 3rd party manufacturers to produce RF lenses. What is a entrylevel fullframe good for, when any good lens from canon costs $2000+ and I have to buy mediocre f2 lenses. I made a mistake of buying R6 and fully switching to RF mount. Now I have worse lenses I had with my DSLR. Not everyone is from USA. I make median sallary in my country, witch is 1000€ a month and I will never justify buying 2800€ lens for my photography hobby.

Agreed they need more affordable lenses. But in their defense the A7CII is rumored to have 4k60 crop and going to cost $2200. So you're talking about the R8 as an arguable better camera that is $700 cheaper. That $700 will go a decent way towards a buyers first lense or two. By then their should be more options.

Not just shaving cost but also size and weight. Even then I would be very surprised if the Mark II didn't have it either

Yea me too

I have the r6 mark II and do not regret it. Upgraded from the RP.

All EF and EF-S lenses are compatible just use Canon's inexpensive lens adapter.

Segmentation. More money.

Dude what camera from other brands is this hood at the price point tho?

@@themediocrephotographer1301 , z6 was sold for about 1000$ 24 mpx, full frame bsi cmos, 10 fps, 4k. 1/8000 mecanical, better evf. The sell point for canon is its autofocus and digic x.

@@planetfun85 They did cut it back a bit too much. Obviously trying to protect the R6II I didn't expect 2 slots, but the lack of IBIS and the small battery well they could have given one of those, the battery has no place on any camera it's pretty bad on the RP let alone this!

They probably employ a global team of few 1000 people just on their R&D Camera Cripple team.

The AF is just not quick enough for fast moving subjects.

@@peterbrown818 I use it with the R6 and I have to ask, exactly how fast-moving are we talking? Because if you are taking photos of running dogs on a field the 70-200 (EF or RF) is the better option for sure but as a general purpose street lens, I never had any issues. Even a fast police car became a nice, dramatic photo for me. And taking photos at the local aquarium, the 70-200 was left in the bag.

@@JonathanLundkvist I shoot a lot of concert stuff, having an 85 f/2 would be pretty nice, however the AF just isn’t fast enough. It hunts a lot Another issue I have is, that I shoot video. Every video I’ve seen mention the focus motor is pretty loud and you’ll hear it clear as day in your shot

@@peterbrown818 Ah yes. I completely agree its not a video lens.

@@peterbrown818 what camera do you use? Did you tweek your af settings?

R7 is better but it’s also bigger, heavier and you don’t get ff sensor is what it seems like.

The R7 is better for sports and wildlife photography.

APS-C so as always it mostly depends on how much you need the wide-to-normal focal lengths for your work

@@alvareo92 10-20mm lenses for ef-s mount cameras arent too expensive. Canon makes one, so do sigma and tamron. Otoh the benefits for apsc is in wildlife and sports photography. Turns your everyday 70-200mm into something real special.

Avoid the Z5 as it struggles in medium indoor light focusing, especially with slower glass. I've been shooting Nikon ML's for three years (DSLR's since 2000,) and they've left the chat. Canon and Nikon are only an option if you want to part with $10,000+ to build a kit. My A7C bridges the gap between the Z50 and Z7II and has more reliable AF. It also has affordable native f2.8 Tamron zoom lenses for it, and f1.x primes that fit in a regular jacket pocket.

@@skyrunr Do you even have a Z5? It doesn't struggle at all, even in harsh lit rooms , the new update also improved low light focusing , although Nikon hasn't mentioned it in the log. It now has the same Z6ii AF in normal shooting conditions too. Even with F4 glass it's lot snappier in focusing.

@@Blitz_Shorts Everything focuses under normal shooting conditions these days. The Z6II is a low bar for AF-C tracking. It depends on the level of reliability and speed you need. Given the Z6II's hardware differences, the Z5 shouldn't be close in low light. The Z30 keeps up with the Z7II, but that doesn't mean either are remotely as reliable as my current A7C. Not a single feature has trickled down to the II's from the Z9. Linear focusing doesn't count. Nikon still doesn't make a single FX body with an articulating screen. I say this as their biggest fan. I have a bag of z-glass waiting for the next body, but not a 61mp one. :)

Yes there’s no choice whatsoever, why would you get this over the S5ii in the U.K. or indeed the new R50 over one of the 3 Nikon APS-C or the Sony or Fuji? The R8 and the new R50 seem massively overpriced for such crippled cameras compared to the competition.

I wish it was that simple, while the S5ii has a number of advantages, it is also using a lot older sensor. Despite the r8 not having IBIS, it is very tempting for me (I am also after a small camera).

@@markdurdle7710 for me the lens lineup would be the deciding factor. i feel like thats where L-mount has an advantage

Youre ignoring the massive amount of EF lenses on the new and used market, both by Canon and 3rd parties like Sigma. I can get the R8 and a used Canon 50mm f1.2 L lens for a bit over 2 grand. Thats pretty nice.

@@mattm3023 does it focus well in video? I have heard that only RF glass has good auto focus, old lenses have old motors and are either too slow or too noisy.

You're right!

Just get a used S5 for 1100$. If you don't need good video AF it's perfect! For photo it's totally fine amd it has killer video features that even 2500$ sony/canon cameras do not have :)

I’ve also been considering the fp. In my country it’s cheaper body-only than the R8. The swivel-screen is helpful imo.

The main reason people buy the sigma FP now is it’s ability to record CinemaDNG. Effectively making it one of the smallest full frame cinema cameras available. If photos are your priority, there are better options.

😂

Nope. R8 replaces the R. RP is still around at the sub $1k level.

"RF glass among the most expensive, almost twice the price of this body" Really? The only RF lenses you see are the $3000 ones? There at least 10 RF lenses prices under $500, anything from 15mm to 800mm.

Love my R8, it's still a great camera

Exactly ! That’s what I was thinking too

If you're shooting with an R5, this is probably not a camera for you - the R6 mk II may be.

​@@kevins8575 To repeat myself, i like the size as a secondary camera. The R6 is roughly the same size as the R5, so it makes more sense to go for an extra R5 then.

Lol this camera looks awful

S5 deatroys canon

especially because you can get the RP used for a third of the price

Until you put a few RF lenses in your cart, and realize your purchase doesn't fit on one high limit credit card.

@@skyrunru cant buy a 50mm f1.8?

Is there a way to do it with the D pad just as the AF point selection? In other words you don't have to press a button first?

@@MrBazReviews Yes, you can directly use D pad to move AF point, but in this case you lose 3 custom buttons.

@@sadovski.pavel.photography Least that is an option then, I'd have no problems using a D pad v a joystick. Thought it might have made sense to have designed it for that, and added a few extra buttons to compensate.

This should have been the R9 (aka RP II). The R7 should be called the R8, and they should have made an "R7" (aka R II) that was a full frame version of the real R7. So R7 and R8 could be FF and APSC versions of the same camera, and R9 and R10 could be FF and APSC versions of the same camera. Saying this as someone with zero attachment to their old DSLR line and their names.

If you don't need a great fast autofocus and don't shoot video - buy Eos R.

@@sadovski.pavel.photography To add to your point about "great autofocus". The need for "great autofocus" should be when we shoot something that move REALLY FAST like birds or sports or indoor actions at lower light because if we shoot portraits, landscape, or even street photography, even a Nikon D2X can autofocus just fine.

@@thegrayyernaut no, great AF is not only speed, it is overall performance, eye detection, subject tracking and so on. I currently shoot with both R and R6 and I can assure you - Eos R AF sucks even comparing to R6 mark 1.

One thing that would speak for the original R is the body design. Of course the R didnt have a joystick as well, but it´s still a fairly professional-grade camera with a big grip, good battery (LP-E6N(H)) and is overall relatively robust. You get the top LCD and the touchbar (if used in combo with the "Lock" button) can be useful as well. The screen on the R has a pretty high resolution by the way - same as the R5, so better than both R6 & R6 Mk II. The video with 1080p ALL-I is pretty high quality if you need it, in 4K you´ll of course have to work with the crop. Depends on what you want to shoot with it. If you shoot a lot of landscape, travel or simple portraits, I´d probably pick the R over the R8. You have a bit more resolution and the body is solid. I always found the R´s AF perfectly useable for everything that is within a "normal" range of photography. The R only struggles hard with moving subjects due to the low framerate. Even if the AF keeps tracking, you´ll likely miss the subject after the first shots as the viewfinder refresh is too slow.

@@sadovski.pavel.photography I'll consider it a problem with my skills. AF Speed is something I can't hone, the other qualities of my photo's focus, if failed, are on me.

I doubt they will ever ;)...

Practically canon’s body is better. I am coming from aesthetically pleasing fujis.

Hope the revisit the body style of the M6, M6ii in RF mount

Indeed... pretty horrible!!

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The R8 is a terrible choice for video, Much better cameras around.

@@michaelbell75 Agreed. after one session I returned it and got the r6 II lmao

@@AustinWestbro Overpriced. You could have got a MUCH better camera for video, the Panasonic S5IIx for $300 less than that R6II. Ah well

@@michaelbell75 I'm willing to spend $300 more for a better camera that I already have lenses for....

Canon EOS-1 was a film camera.

FYI: the EOS R doesn't include in-body image stabilization