Important to remember that a few LTM lenses come dangerously close or even hit the shutter curtain so make sure to look out for that

Thanks for this video comparisons, I just picked up on one thing, you don’t need to press the film speed indicator button on the canon 7 whenever you want to change the shutter speed, only time you will need to do this is when you set your ISO and DIN for the built in light meter. Cheers!

Minor error correction concerning the accessory which adds a cold shoe to the Canon 7. It does not attach to the lens bayonet as indicated here. There is a PC flash connection socket on the end of the camera body for the flash cord. There is a small bayonet fitting around the PC socket, which the cold shoe locks into with an arm which reaches acress the top plate of the body and suspends a cold shoe on top of the camera. When I started collecting Canon RF in the early 1980s, they were moderately uncommon but available on ebay often, at a silly price. By 2000, they were almost non-existent, and if found, the price was ridiculous. So, I do not have one for my Canon 7. For some reason, the P model got very expensive, more than $300 commonly, in the late 1980-90s, and being a "cheap" model, it didn't get added to my collection at that time. In the 2000s, the bottom fell out of P pricing, and near-mint copies could be regularly found for $125 or less. Today, Oct 2021, they are ebay pricing around $200-225 plus shipping without lens, probably in part for being YT hyped to death in the last 2 years. The Canon 7 has two distinct advantages over the P: (1) A far better viewfinder (larger and more clear; less cluttered) and (2) a much more accurate rangefinder, having a longer optical base. (This was required to focus the 50mm 0.95 lens introduced with the Canon 7.) One factor re both the P and 7 (and 7s) if purchased as a user. The shutter is the same for all models, and uses stainless steel foil as a curtain, compared to the cloth shutter curtains used on Leicas of the period and their copies. This additional mass required higher spring tensions to operate, and those shutter are (1)more prone to getting off speed - slower, and (2) those shutters are not repairable (for that problem) for lack of parts and repairmen with the needed skills. My 7 is victim to this, with a 1/1000 indicated speed which after the best repair possible (Bald Mountain/Ken Ruth) runs nearly a stop slow. Speeds of 1/125 and slower are fine, but there you have it. When I use my Canon RF equipment, I much prefer my VIT, which has an easily maintained cloth shutter.

I love my Canon P. Just a simple, pretty camera. It's the camera that taught me how to meter by eye.

Probably a better comparison would be the the Canon VI-L with the Canon 7, since both have adjustable focal length viewfinders. The P, or Populaire, was a budget version of the VI-L. Since the selenium meter is usually dead or grossly inaccurate having a cold shoe is really handy for a modern shoe mount meter.

The Canon P is Canon's Version of the Leica M3, and also that on the Canon 7 as the Lens Flange is for the Canon Lens 50mm 0.98 aperture as it needs the Bayonet Flange to hold the lens in place to the body. And also that Canon did sell a Flash Bracket that is connected to the PC Shoe Socket on the Left side via a Bayonet style flange as it went over where it saids Canon7 as I bought one in Japan in 2017. And also that the RF Window on the Canon 7 is abit longer in length that the Canon P so you can place a 135mm lens properly.

i own the 7 and the P and i enjoyed hearing your take on both. i have seen a couple different types of hot shoe attachments for the 7 and own the pc sync type ... it basically covers the top and has a little cutout so you can still see the light meter. i dont use mine much because it seems when i take it on and off i cannot help but scratch the camera up a bit in the process, unfortunately.

Thank you for the super informative video. Great explanation, yet still hard to choose

Canon 7 all the way, but hey it' good that most people get the P and keep the better camera's price down unti i pick another one up 😂 .

The Canon 7 cold shoe accessory is not mounted by the front lens bayonet mount. It is mounted on the side instead on where the flash sync socket is.

Couple of nice examples. Still waiting on lens to be delivered so I can run a roll through my 7. Can you believe I got it for $85 with a working light meter and original case? Fingers crossed that the shutter is Ok. I'll need to replace the light seals, but some tape will work until I get around to doing that.

Super review. I have both, and agree with what you shared here.

Love these videos. Keep them up.

I go for canon 7, I couldn't decide, but after watching your review, I go for 7! it not a Leica, pay less and has more function. :)

I've always enjoyed shooting with a quality built, classic Rangefinder camera! Generally smaller/quieter then an slr. And thus less obtrusive.

Very well done. I like these cameras, but I don't use the 7 much due to it;s size. The P seems to whipsaw in price form monyh to month, mine was given to me when I bought a lens.

Now the price of Canon 7 will go up as well.

Thanks for the video! Very informative

Between VL1 and VL2, what are the points or differences that you need to look at when buying a camera?

Both cameras are wonderful and the Canon lens produces awesome and sharp images! But the Canon P is beautiful though Canon & was more features. I have both cameras too!

Same here Bro, way too many cameras in my office.😁

Great comparison video! So the 7 is not much bigger or heavier than the P. How about the 7s/7sz? Love the ewoks....

I wonder if its possible to remove the Canon 7's bayonet mount and replace the P's with it so you could mount the Canon dream lens on the P. think so?

7 seems to have a larger rangefinder base.

Can you see the 35mm frame lines on the Canon 7 with glasses? I can't see them on the P

I have a 7 and a dreams lens. Somehow, no matter how many times I adjust the rangefinder system, I wind up with no images that are in focus. Have a favorite person to do a CLA on these cameras?

How do you set the camera ISO base on film?

Do you have an idea how big the whole rangefinder ist, Like 28mm or 25mm?

thats a nice, elegant video

How do these compare to the Keiv’s and Jorki’s

Great video! Do you have any info on the VT-Deluxe?

Hey so do you think its a good idea to get the canon vi-l over the p? From what I've researched its pretty much the same as p but has individual framelines for different focal lengths? There ain't much talk online about the vi-l as much as the p or the 7 I wonder why!?

Hey Dave, nice video! I recently got a Canon P and noticed no light seal foams anywhere. Is this supposed to be the case or do I have to install some light seal foam?

Is one viewfinder brighter than the other, or are they same?

where did you get that camera strap?

Do I really need to recalibrate my finder if I'm using russian lenses? Because I read bunch of threads on the internet and they said the same thing.

Other than eBay, where is a good place to find one of these?

I don't care if it's an ugly duckling. gimmie the Canon 7

I don’t know, I think the canon 7 is far nicer looking

Canon 7 better but not ergonomic of the P .

Buster photos

The P is like the Fuji 100v, an overprice cult camera. The 7 is a steal. Almost as cheap as a Soviet piece of junk with much better build quality. It's the intelligent person's Leica.