Hey so I knew going into this that it was an Apples to Oranges comparison and know that this is not the "technical" way of comparing noise levels especially with since the R5 has nearly double the MP but what I was trying to get across is I still surprised at how much of a difference there was just comparing in Lightroom alone. I try to keep things as simple as possible but this one is on me. I should've been more thorough

You are using professional studio lighting. You can shoot this with an RP and never see a difference when uploaded online. no one shoots indoor lightning for a shoot like this and no one is shooting anywhere close to 1600 ISO with studio lights. In fact, for most portraits, an RP will work just fine, its the glass that matters. I generally like your photos and these videos, and I know its your job to try and sell new cameras to people who think a new camera will somehow make them a better photographer but please...

I see a couple other people saying it, but it's important for comparing noise performance to scale the pictures so that they're the same dimensions, rather than zooming both to 100%. If the higher resolution sensor can match or beat the performance of the lower one when scaled you can say that the images it produces are just as good, with the added benefit of *not* having to scale them outside of low light scenarios.

You need to downsize R5 and A1 images to R3 level and compare noise. Granted, it wont be as good, as R3's bigger photosites gather more light, but it will be better than looking than this. To be fair if printed it wont matter too much anyway

Just finish watching the video. Since I'm one of the handful? in Chicago to own the R3 right now, and used it. @0:26 The reason why I bought the R3 right off the bat on the release day (had it pre-order as soon pre-orders started). I think I can be consider as (semi-)pro sports photographer, since I (used to, before covid) do IHSA high school sports. Yet, the main reason for me why I bought it is because I do Golf & Tennis photos. And I need an electric shutter that won't warp the golf club or tennis racket while it's in motion and I have my silent shutter on. I also do Weddings (as a second shooter), and stage theater (because of my work place). The other reason I picked the R3 is because I hope I get to see less light banding at certain lighting condition. So my images don't look "stripey" when I see the JPEG file of it. :| and also, to combine all of Sports, Wedding, and Stage Theater. The eye control focus is my selling point. yet I wear glasses. I think it'll take some time to get the calibration for eye control just right. until I get the other eye piece. Which said helps for people with glasses improv on the eye control focusing. I'll get more intel probably in 2022, if I ever get back shooting high school sports. Due to covid, I have to step down until the all clear for me. For, I got 4 more weddings this year to get more intel on the performance of the R3 in real world conditions. But as a portrait camera, basing off first impress when I did "self portraits" of myself. Part of me want to say, yeah the R3 can do photoshoots with it. But would I make it my main camera to use for photoshoots? Maybe not???? Maybe I'll pick the R5. I need more testing / practice to confirm my answer. For now, I'm glad that the R3 does have "face priority TTL", which makes my photoshoots really quick and fast without the guessing on light metering. I can just run and gun my photoshoots without worry of getting the wrong exposure during the shoot. I'm pretty sure the R5 (and R6?) also have "face priority TTL"

Brilliant and useful as always, keep it up man.

Flash photography is fascinating. Given I don’t do it, but I don’t understand at all how you have these super bright previews on your LCD & then after the actual photo is snapped it looks like a completely different movie haha. Dope photos as always bro.

Hi Manny. Have you try to downsample images to resolution of r3 and than zoom in?

Got my R3 about a week ago. Imo it’s much better camera to shoot with than the Sony or R5. It’s smaller than you expect when you first see it. I imagined it would feel similar to my previous 1DXMK2. But thankfully it’s much smaller and lighter than that camera. The R3 feels like the perfect interpretation of what a “Pro” body should be circa 2020. It’s large enough to feel balanced without being so large as to feel burdensome. The IBIS is a noticeable upgrade over the R5 version. It feels more refined. The battery last a long time… a really long time. Image quality wise, the images seem to punch way above their weight considering the resolution. I recall reading somewhere that it’s actually renders closer to 30mp in detail… which I believe might be the case. I can say with confidence I prefer the R3 over the R5. I’d be curious to see how it compares to the Nikon in the real world. But that said, their zero chance I would jump to a new system. Not with the R1 coming next year:D

Own the R5 and honestly, I have never gone past maybe ISO 800 (usually I bump up the ISO if I am shooting with continuous lighting). I shoot mainly in the studio with Profoto and don't have the need to push the ISO. Of course, if you are finding yourself using the faster ISO than maybe the noise issue is an important one but for me I would not worry about noise/ISO.

Nice to know. Also, it would have been nice to compare the R3 against the R6 in low light, too. And also, when the Sony releases an A9 III with probably 24-something MP, to compare them then too.

Great, informative video. I wonder how the R3 stacks up vs. the R6 in low light capabilities?

Recap: lower resolution sensor has lower noise at high ISOs than a higher resolution sensor without downscaling. I understand that he acknowledges in the video that he expected this result but I mean come on: water is wet and oil is oily.

Hi Manny. I also have both cameras, the R3 and the R5. Have you noticed how much better the colors are from the R3? Not so red cast, not so harsh contrasts?

Please please keep making this longer form videos. Awesome work

Thanks for this! Love that background for the talking head portion of this video

I'd be curious to see how the R6 stacks against the R3. The R3 has slightly more resolution than the R6 so we should be able to better see the improvements brought about by Canon's newer stacked BSI process as opposed to also seeing the effects of having bigger pixel wells with the lower resolution. Just a thought.

Very good video. Also very considerate when you highlighted the "bars" in the beginning of the video given the difference in perspective.

Hi Manny, have u tried high ISO comparison between the R6 and the R3?

great video, you might have to do a comparison with the R6 as well however you might benefit from that 45mp sensor but low light is def clean

Don't be afraid to go over and beyond10 minutes in your videos. Your content is entertaining and valuable with the information you provide.

I'd like to see the comparison of a 1dx Mark II and the r3. I rarely use my 1dx for high-speed sports but I found it particularly good at landscapes and portraits because of its low light capability.

IF we were to scale the R5 + A1 image to the same size, I do not think the noise would be too different.

Great info bro!

Hey Manny....thank you for doing this comparison! Curious if the R6 would provide a closer result to the R3 in low light? I do feel the BSI sensors handle this situation better regardless as I have seen that similar low light result from my Z7 II....but I still switched:-) Next time mom comes over you should use her as a model....you'll get nothing but love on that one😉

I finally got to edit photos from the first day of racing I shot with it today. Holy smokes…this sensor is GOOD. Canon reds are finally naturally represented and accurate. The R5 would have a tendency to shoot Reds and Oranges very closely to the point where it became ambiguous on some cars. This sensor has some seriously good highlight and shadow recovery along with massive color depth. At least that’s my opinion after one REAL day shooting with it.

So this was an interesting video along with the one you did comparing the R3 to the Z9. If you only wanted 24 Mpixel what about the Sony A9 II prevent it from being in the same category as the Canon R3? I have the A1 and A9 II along with an R5. Even been looking at the Z9. Thanks as always for you videos.

Thanks for showing us the difference nice shots too

Hmmm , after this curious to know how the R6 would stack up against the R3 in low light.

That's logical. The pixels are bigger from the R3. So in low light it's better.

Can you please compare the dynamic range! the colors of the r3, also look FIRE in comparison to the r5

This was more of a light and composition video for me. And I loved it!

Are the fixture lights daylight balanced in that gym?

Another great video homie! Those gym shots were straight 🔥🔥🔥💯The R3 is boss!

Maaaaaaaaaarni. Where have you been? 8 days is too far for a next videos😩😩 thanks for coming back tho😁😎

He fell in love again when he said “that’s pretty damn good” 😂 I’m the same way with my fiancé lol

Hit that like button. Soon as I clicked on your content lol. Your dope asf manny

thank you for making this video for us :)

which rf lens ill be perfect for fashion?

I would expect the result you observed, Manny. One could do what I did...picked up the R6 for low light and the R5 for daylight/larger prints/video and spend about the same as the R3 alone. Just can't push that R5 high MP sensor too much in low light or noise will creep in fast. Before I left Sony to go back to Canon, I experienced the same issue with the A7R3 vs. A73. As others have stated, the R6 vs. R3 low light comparison would be interesting (and I'd expect the R6 might produce slightly better results as to noise). Great video comparison. Highlights the old adage that the right tool for the job is key.

can you compare the ISO of the R3 with the R 6?? ;)

You need to downsample the R5 files to the same resolution to compare at the same pixel level.

watching this video 2 years later, im wondering of DXO Pure Raw 3 can clean up the R5 files to look better than the unprocessed R3 files

Love the shot with Diana looking in the mirror.

Do you have any dates on when the white beauty dish is going to be back in stock. Apparently its great because you cant find one anywhere.

Thanks!

Nice video, thanks for showing us your shooting process & digital darkroom development. Quick question: Are you processing in Canon DPP before you take it to LR? If no, you should. LR strips out what is proprietary to Canon in Camera. When you process first in Canon DPP, save as a Tiff, you preserve more of what your vision was when you took the shot.

... a fact that I would never have expected. I'm surprised that BSI sensors with fewer megapixels also have less iso noise under the same conditions. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Thx for sharing. 🙏🏻

I appreciate this test. kee doing more. maybe htrow in the r6

Hey Manny, I have a request for you mate. Can you compare the Canon R3 and Canon R6 and maybe add Sony A7S3 as well if possible as I'm planning on getting a camera which performs amazing in low light conditions such as night clubs and concerts as that's what I have been shooting currently. Can you make a video on this?

Great video as allways, but would it not have been sensible to resize the R5 to the size of the R3? Now the noise looks bigger, more prominent because the image is bigger

Manny softbox on sale yet ???

I can't wait to see you get a Z9 in your hands.

Will the canon 580ex 2 flash work on the R5?

BUT in order to compare the noise you have to reduce the size of the R5 and A1 :) when you scale down the noise goes away and the detail is better.

@Manny Ortiz you think the R3 is better for landscape photography

7:35 If you're using the same lens to compare high ISO images between the R3 and R5, wouldn't it make sense to compare the images taken from the exact same distance from the subject for each camera? As it is, the image taken with the R5 was taken closer to the subject than the R3.

The R3 is really the best sport and journalism camera there is! Good for every situation (low light and speed). I am looking forward what Canon will bring in 2022! The Canon R5C, R7, R1, R5mk2, R8?

6:50 well no, there is not much more noise; not clear at all. did you measure ? what was the signal/noise ratio ?

Decision made, thanks for that informative side by side

Isn't it about the difference of capturing the same amount of light on R5 45MP sensor vs 24MP R3. Same amount of light, captured on the same area.. Nice presentation!

I can imagine the Canon R1 having the same specs of the R3 but with a higher resolution

Diana is looking sensational in these pics/video... she even got her Manny to blush for the cam (3:05) ;)

Are you switching back to Canon now?

@Manny Ortiz TOTALLY off topic question for you. I’m trying to decide between the F4 & F2.8 version of the RF 70-200 (I’m assuming that basically F4 or F2.8 in any brand are very similar). I currently use a R6 camera and looking to take photos of my 2 year old along with friends and family in forest type environments along with recreation center, arenas and outdoor winter and summer sports for toddlers and a bunch of general portraits. I’m assuming that there won’t be much of a difference in bokeh from one to another when the subject is 30+ feet away in sports type scenarios but more so concerned about the lower light areas that are most likely less than optimal environments. If I buy the 70-200 F4 I’m also considering in upgrading my main lens (EF 24-70 F4) to the RF F2.8 version since most of the time I’m within our house or a family members house so it would be nice to blur out the distracting backgrounds a bit more because my 50mm 1.8 is a bit too tight in my small house. Any input would be appreciated! Thanks in advance for anyones time on this topic.

You cannot compare noise without scaling them to the same resolution. Come on.

manny we all know that low megapixel camera have lower noise. high megapixel camera are best when shot in well let situation.. love your vids still. bless. the R6 shoots better Low images than the R5

Literally 16 seconds lol. Not gonna lie I’m watching the video right now as I type this lol. Much love from the island of Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 📷📷📷🤙🏽

I'm not at all surprised that the higher resolution (and older) sensor creates more noise at higher ISO. That's what I would expect. Smaller photosites on the sensor means more noise. That said, the AI denoising tools in Lightroom are *so* good now that I just don't worry about noise any more. I shoot with a 1DXii and a Panasonic G9. The 1DXii has waaaay less noise at higher ISOs, but I can still make the G9 images look great.

pretty crazy how similar they are.

It is not surprising 6um pixel pitch on R3 will always yield cleaner shots on dim lights vs the R5 4.39um sensor. The trade off is resolution.

Wonder how R6 would do with even less megapixels??

This was really interesting to see! I just read that DXOmark said the R3 has the best low light performance sensor out of any full frame camera that’s currently available. Canon has made some great leaps recently, it felt like the sensors were far behind Sony and Nikon for awhile, but they’re starting to lead in some areas again! Just means there really isn’t a BAD pro camera these days!

Great videos , this is not rocket science , have the R5 and R6 . The R6 is exactly one stop better in low light high iso.

Please make a self portal tutorial! I need more matches on tinder!!

Love to see you get a Z9 ⭐

Love your vlog. Lots of love from nepal. 🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵❤❤❤❤

You did not zoom both pictures the same way.

I wasn't gonna pick up the R3... Man~ why you do this dude. Gonna' have to think about this.

Manny, awhile back you did a Sony vs Canon color comparison. How do you feel about the colors out of the A1 vs the R3/R5 now? Are "Canon skintones" still a thing for portrait photographers? Do Canon skintones really require less tweaking SOOC, or is mostly myth at this point?

what's wrong with the sound of your voice? It feels as if you have some sort of noise cancelling. I heard it around 7:00 mark

the evf looks massive on the r3

Try the Z9

I would love to see an A1, R3, Z9 comparison when really taxing the af systems!

That's so cool you get to work with your wife. I'm becoming a better photographer little by little watching you vids 👍

Why couldn’t Canon have gone with 36 megapixels on the R3?! That would have been a nice sweet spot.

Diana got me whenever she winked lmao

Ayo Manni Lightroom update review next 🤣😂🤣

Doing 100% on both cameras is viewing at different magnification. Try the r5 around 50% and the gap will close significantly.

A R6 vs R5 test would show similar results.

Or wait for canon to release a new FF with the same sensor at a lower price, which I am sure they will.

as much as that camera costs i would hope it delivers over the R5

Il confronto tra un sensore da 24 mega e uno di 45 ad alti iso è diciamo quasi inutile con tutto il rispetto...... dovresti portare il file della r5 a 24 mega e rifare i crop...allora li si potrebbe fare una comparazione più sensata...anche se probabilmente la r3 dovrebbe essere meglio ugualmente.

hi mr. Ortiz ♥ a fan from Bangladesh. Whatever! I'm getting a7iv

The R3 is just way too big danmm it 😩😩, I was suppose to get mine today , but im still considaring if Im taking it or not

Difference, file size?

You have 10 minutes comparison, I still don't understand which camera is better. which camera has better quality

Also for processing have you seen Vanessa Joy comparing LR to Capture One? Apparently the processing and on JPEGS, bringing up the blacks etc are a lot better in C1. Not sure how the noise would be impacted. But I did shoot some indoor sports and was in the 12,800 range and while noise is there it looked like film grain in that particular situation so didn't see the nasty chroma noise you were seeing. But sounds like it would be interesting to see what C1 would do with your images?

There is still some love

The Knowledge this guy has is Fucken Insane..