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Canon R5C 8K RAW - Is it worth it?

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Josh Sattin

Josh Sattin

Күн бұрын

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@misterdeity
@misterdeity 2 жыл бұрын
For me, the ability to get a 4K wide, medium, and close-up in interview situations (with one camera) - or for my own talking head videos here on KZfaq, is the real draw. But there's a couple other things you missed. Stabilization in post! Shooting a bit wider in 8K (or even 6K) and having the resolution to allow your post stabilizer to punch in even more means very smooth, stabilized images without losing ANY resolution when delivering in 4K - more so in HD, obviously. The same goes for rolling shutter corrections. Finally, for those of us who don't have any really long lenses, the ability to crop in 200% turns that 70-200mm into a 140-400mm with no resolution loss on a 4K timeline. This is a tremendous amount of value - in essence, three cameras in one, shooting wide, medium, close, added stabilization, reduced rolling shutter, and doubling the focal length of your lenses. I think you really downplayed/overlooked this added value. Otherwise, good job. And thanks for the info (especially storage times) and imagery!
@CreepyJoe69
@CreepyJoe69 2 жыл бұрын
You just spoke my heart out.... R5C is a gem in filmmaking.
@misterdeity
@misterdeity 2 жыл бұрын
@@CreepyJoe69 Just remembered another cool thing about shooting at double (or even 1.5x - 6K) the delivery resolution (4k). Haven't thought of this since I stopped delivering in HD. Zooms in post suck because you're missing the parallax of a dolly move. They look gross - unless you're going for that kind of retro '70s zoom effect. But!!!... when you put the camera on a slider or something like a one-man crew and then zoom in post, it looks like a dolly push in move because the slider is giving you the parallax! We used this a lot when we got 4K and were delivering in HD. Looks amazing!!! Adds a ton of production value!
@CreepyJoe69
@CreepyJoe69 2 жыл бұрын
@@misterdeity Blackmagic Ursa 12K is like a Alexa LF for Indie Filmmakers.... But the only flaw or may be drawback is that's it's Super35... But R5C filled that void and gave us 8K in Full frame at only fraction of a price... That's awesome...
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I discovered your channel 10 days ago. Your work is awesome. Thanks a lot for all of that (from a French R5C user) 🙌
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
@Kreuzass
@Kreuzass Жыл бұрын
Not sure If you said it, but to shoot 8k raw with 60 fps you will need an external power supply and it only works in raw LT. Thanks for the video!
@MattShockley
@MattShockley 8 ай бұрын
super helpful dude! thanks for posting this. On my monitor, the 4k long GOP looks sharpest unless you zoom into 400%. Keep up the good work.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 8 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@heynow2880
@heynow2880 7 ай бұрын
I wish they offered 4K raw too
@TJ-po9ol
@TJ-po9ol 7 ай бұрын
I just realized there is RAW cinema HQ in the R5C if you switch to S35 mode.
@Maebbie
@Maebbie 2 жыл бұрын
8k 60 fps with the dynamic range of raw is really good for VR video, where you shoot 180° and where you need lots of sharpness to keep it immersive. Other than that I dont see much uses for it tbh.
@wiezyckifamily
@wiezyckifamily 2 жыл бұрын
Wow thanks for the comparo on the 8k vs 4k at 200% vs 400% - eye-opening for sure! I was thinking you'd mention the main reason why I'm shooting 8k- to pull stills! Also thanks for the reminder to set the Mac Studio FCPX to 'better performance' while editing. I keep forgetting to do that to ease the playback on such huge resolution files.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Great point! Thanks for sharing the bonus for being able to pull a still from the 8K footage.
@studiodevis
@studiodevis 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Josh, for the R5C YT series. 8k RAW is C-Log 2. In non RAW recordings, C-Log 3 and C-Log. Maybe this is the reason for color diff
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! The raw footage is not actually Clog 2 or Clog 3, it's just the way that the editing software interprets the footage. Between this and 10 bit vs 12 bit, I'm sure the color difference is in there somewhere. Thanks for watching!
@TJ-po9ol
@TJ-po9ol 7 ай бұрын
Color shifts depending on how you decode in Resolve. If you select Full Res Canon, it will be different than decoding with resolve.@@Josh_Sattin
@eyeidea
@eyeidea Ай бұрын
@1:32 Excellent comparison! 😎 Harder to compare when its just cut to cut.
@chaivizion
@chaivizion 2 жыл бұрын
Thank brother that so helpful! I watched all of your video it's get better for knowledge about the camera , I just got my R5C ytd so excited!
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Enjoy the R5C and thanks for watching!
@mikeodendahl
@mikeodendahl 2 жыл бұрын
Josh, thanks for your tips on the R5C.... so helpful.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@DavidWMcCallum
@DavidWMcCallum Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very useful, clear and precise tutorial. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but the reason I am looking at 8K is for the "future proof" factor. I would imagine that telling a client that their wedding footage, music video, or broadcast project, for example, wouldn't be obsolete years from now. I remember 20 years ago when HD720 made my 16mm documentares unairable. 20 Years from now 4K will be obsolete, not so much 8K, I'm guessing.
@jerseypaul7323
@jerseypaul7323 2 жыл бұрын
Dude you should have way more subs, keep up the good work. Can I ask what the battery life is like on the R5C when only in photo mode. Does it last like an R5 ? or is the battery draining still very quickly ? I haven't found anybody that mentions this.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. It definitely takes a while to build an audience, but I have really been enjoying making these videos. The battery life is really bad on this camera for video. I don't shoot many photos, but I think it will probably have similar battery life to the R5 in stills mode. The video mode is very power hungry. When the battery gets low in video mode you can switch over to stills and it has more life.
@jerseypaul7323
@jerseypaul7323 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin My girlfriend takes mainly photos on a 5D mk4 but looking at changing and for just a small cost uplift for a R5C over R5 she then has a better camera for video as well. So long as the battery lasts like the R5 in photo mode.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
I can't speak from experience because I mainly shoot video, but it uses the same menu and operating system as the R5. One difference for photography is that the R5C does not have IBIS, which the R5 does. Keep that in mind as well.
@gavthane
@gavthane 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t tried the R5C out yet (currently own an R5) bit I saw a couple of videos on KZfaq saying that in stills mode, the R5C battery lasts pretty much the same as the R5
@jerseypaul7323
@jerseypaul7323 2 жыл бұрын
@@gavthane hi, thank you for that, it’s good to know 👍
@QNag
@QNag Жыл бұрын
8k is extremely useful in sports videography. It gives you the freedom to follow the action in post (cropping) with less need for camera pans & zooms
@justinhickox
@justinhickox 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Super helpful insight on storage times!!! Per your video I purchased the Same card. Wasn’t sure if it would work until I watched you talk about it recently. Thanks for the heads up. Side question, are you importing directly into FCPX or another way? I’m curious if there’s a way to get the full benefit of raw (adjustments to the actual WB for instance) in FCPX. I haven’t seen a way for true raw workflow inside FCPX. Am I missing something? Thanks man.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! I imported all of the files in the same way. The raw codecs that come out of the Canon cameras aren't true "raw" like you would get with a Red camera.
@justinhickox
@justinhickox 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin gotcha. Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback!
@lemonking3644
@lemonking3644 6 ай бұрын
Hi Question! I have the R5C and I’m shooting an 8K full raw I downloaded the software needed. I noticed there wasn’t a plug-in for Premier pro only final cut and avid media will I still be able to view my Raw Footage in premier pro or is there a step or something I have to download first aside from the raw software from Canon. Thank you
@lecolintube
@lecolintube 4 ай бұрын
Did find an answer for this? Cheers
@lemonking3644
@lemonking3644 4 ай бұрын
@@lecolintube it worked yes
@lecolintube
@lecolintube 4 ай бұрын
@@lemonking3644 awesome, thank you
@smalldeekgeorge
@smalldeekgeorge Жыл бұрын
4k xavc have sharpening applied in camera!
@RichBelgieJr
@RichBelgieJr 2 жыл бұрын
I believe in media review you can tap the top and change what you're looking at. Basically switch folders. Performance wise, 8K RAW plays fine in Resolve out of the box. I think Resolve just handles RAW best.
@RichBelgieJr
@RichBelgieJr 2 жыл бұрын
You can assign a button to shot photos in video mode. So switching folders in review also allows you to see the photos. Shooting photos in video mode allows you to preview the shot as it would be in video. Nice for site prep / scouting to have an image you can grade as a test.
@bramweer6117
@bramweer6117 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying your video's Josh, thank you so much for making them! Will you do a video about the other elephant in the room; the power consumption and how to handle that handheld and on a rig or gimbal? Would appreciate that a lot!
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear you are enjoying the videos! I am planning on doing a video on that, but I am waiting for some parts to get here. I have been using the battery grip most of the time right now.
@bramweer6117
@bramweer6117 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin Yeah, that's what I've been looking at as well. Also thinking about a system like the Anton Bauer Titon Base for gimbal and rig..> Or even just run and gun..
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't personally owned or used the Anton Bauer kits, but I have heard good things about them.
@ErisedMediaCo
@ErisedMediaCo 2 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to back out to review different record types. The area up top where it says RAW Index is a drop down. Tap it and you can select XF-AVC, MP4, and Photo as well.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Cool. Thanks for letting me know.
@vitorquental3628
@vitorquental3628 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Josh, how are you doing? Nice video :) you have to touch the arrow using the touch screen to change the folder. It will change from raw to mp4 or xf avc. That downarrow next to raw index in the playback screen. Cheers
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I feel like I tried that. I'm glad there is an easy way to switch between the file types. I do wish they were all together, but that is a very small complaint.
@vitorquental3628
@vitorquental3628 2 жыл бұрын
Or maybe automatically jump from one folder to another. It would be easier than to choose folder.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
@@vitorquental3628 Agreed. It seems silly the way it’s set up now.
@vitorquental3628
@vitorquental3628 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think there will be clog2 in a future firmware update?
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think so. I’ve heard some interviews with canon people saying the sensor can’t actually do it properly.
@BrianSellers
@BrianSellers Жыл бұрын
I just got an R5C (coming from an R5) and man - what a difference that "C" makes! One question for your XF-AVC editing on a Mac... Have you found ANY way to view XF-AVC thumbnails in Mac Finder?? 🤔 Great video, as always!
@alfredknodler540
@alfredknodler540 Жыл бұрын
Great work as always Josh! Can I record 120p 4K on the SD Card on the R5C?
@playboxlimited.
@playboxlimited. 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for the video
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@global001
@global001 Жыл бұрын
For me 8k will be great because I’m a product photographer/videographer, my clips are short. I downsize the image for instagram though but I assume you’ll still be able to see the quality, same as downgrading 4k to FHD?
@aov_james
@aov_james 2 жыл бұрын
2:00 I'm seeing huge differences in highlights. 4K XF to 8K RAW LT is pretty noticeable and LT to ST, I could only pick out better highlight retention.
@streetographer
@streetographer 11 ай бұрын
I’m recording content for YT now but still want it to be more future proof for archival purposes. For that reason I think it might be better to record at the best resolution and down sample for YT. Thoughts?
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 11 ай бұрын
It's always good to be forwards thinking, but I think 4K will be plenty good enough for a long time.
@daylight5500
@daylight5500 2 жыл бұрын
Good info, thanks.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@iliaskapatos
@iliaskapatos 2 жыл бұрын
12 bit colors are different than 10 bit and the RAW is 12 bit, this should make the big difference. In the two first comparisons you can see how much more colors the RAW files have in the sand or in the way where you walk on. Then in your samples the XF-AVC is sharper, when I use XF-AVC and RAW I never had this situation, always my RAW Files with the standard settings are much sharper in 4K output than the same in XF-AVC and when I try to sharpen the XF-AVC it looks not so natural sharp like the RAW. So I'll make in the next days a similar video as I experienced something total different than what I see on your samples. The much sharper but more natural looking image and the more nuances in the colors are my reasons why I use 8K RAW over Longgop 4k. So the one possibility is that you do something wrong with your RAW files or I do something wrong with my longgop 4K files. Then you can record directly proxies in the R5C, with this you lose no time and you just have to say (in DaVinci Resolve) where your proxies are, so it is a easy workflow also with RAW files.
@reticulan5
@reticulan5 2 ай бұрын
Sick of waiting for Panasonic to bring a S1H2/S2H. So bought this. Sold of Gh5s and Gh6. Plus 5 yr old dated S1H.
@NAIZAGI
@NAIZAGI 5 ай бұрын
Good video and how import canon 8k raw ST/LT in FCP. Can u help please and thank u.
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 5 ай бұрын
support.apple.com/guide/final-cut-pro/import-canon-cinema-raw-light-files-ver10fade120/mac
@nidoge5032
@nidoge5032 2 жыл бұрын
The 4K looks sharper than the 8k, which the 8k seems more pleasing as it feels more 'filmic'
@eriksopracasa3449
@eriksopracasa3449 6 ай бұрын
Which camera do you recommend between the Canon R5C and the Sony FX6?
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 6 ай бұрын
I responded to your other two comments about this.
@eriksopracasa3449
@eriksopracasa3449 6 ай бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin I didn't see it hehe thanks Josh! Your reviews are awesome!
@user-if4jg6ul9o
@user-if4jg6ul9o 5 ай бұрын
What about 8k all-i recording, I have an 8k tv.
@Ben-cx8de
@Ben-cx8de 6 ай бұрын
The ST is obviously way better as it has speedboats
@nidoge5032
@nidoge5032 2 жыл бұрын
Also any quality difference between XFAVC vs regular MP4 HEVC Long Gop? Save even more file size
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Oooh. I should test this. Thanks for the question.
@rMr.big13
@rMr.big13 2 жыл бұрын
Great Videos!! Is there 8k raw HQ as well?
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. 8K raw is just that, raw. The HQ mode refers to in the R5 when you could record 4KHQ which is an 8K oversampled image to 4K. This mode overheated the R5. You can also record a non-HQ 4K mode which is line skipped. The 4K modes in the R5C are that "HQ" mode which oversamples from 8K. The non-HQ mode isn't even an option in the R5C.
@rMr.big13
@rMr.big13 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin so the only 8k raw 60 p Is LT? Canon website they said 3 raw modes…. That why I’m asking
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
@@rMr.big13 page 10: downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/cinema-eos/x-eos-r5-c/EOSR5C_specifications.pdf
@TJ-po9ol
@TJ-po9ol 7 ай бұрын
There actually is a RAW LT ST & HQ in S35 sensor mode. now RAW HQ in fullframe mode.
@salemalowais67
@salemalowais67 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh. It is very interesting to watch your videos regularly . I have both cameras R5 and R5C, I’m missing The R5 4K HQ sharpness quality to watch it right to TV without editing in my new R5C . the question is how can I use my new R5C as I used my R5 in mode 4K HQ (Ufine) right to watch it on tv without editing . I tried my R5C in all tv watchable formats without editing but I couldn't get the same sharpness qualitv as R5? Please help me 🙏
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Hey there! All of the 4K modes in the R5C are oversampled like the 4KHQ in the R5. The line skipped / pixel binned 4K modes from the R5 are not in the R5C. I am a little confused about your question about using your camera with your TV.
@careysmoak5478
@careysmoak5478 2 жыл бұрын
Does the R5c have the same time lapse feature like the R5 ? I’ve got an R5 and love the Timelapse setup but was thinking of buying the R5c if it was the same
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
It's not the same as the R5 since the video features are in the cinema operating system. It does have a timelapse mode by using the Slow & Fast mode and lowering the frame rate.
@careysmoak5478
@careysmoak5478 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin thank you for clarifying for me. I was just curious if I could Timelapse the same way as on the R5. So I can produce a night sky time lapse just have to slow the frame rate
@nickgreene1532
@nickgreene1532 2 жыл бұрын
I like a lot of your videos but I think this one kind of misses the point on raw. Like raw vs jpeg, the big benefit of raw vs compressed video is the flexibility of the file in post (white balance, color shifts, grading etc) so I think it would have been more useful to see a comparison of grading two clips vs a general resolution comparison. IMO 12 bit footage can look better on skin tone detail than 10 bit so also maybe some headshot comparisons would be great to see
@Josh_Sattin
@Josh_Sattin 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. You can not adjust the white balance, ISO, etc. in post with Canon's raw. Canon's raw isn't really raw like with Red. I find that there is plenty of information in both the XF-AVC and raw to color grade. All of the clips in this video were graded. I agree that I should have put an example of a person in there to compare skin tone. That was an oversight. The title of this video is "Is it worth it?". The point I was trying to make is that there are definitely some use cases for 8K raw on the R5C, but I think for most people it isn't worth. Thanks for watching!
@TJ-po9ol
@TJ-po9ol 7 ай бұрын
This actually isn't true, i've used R3D and Canon RAW alot in Resolve. The R3D is definitely "thicker", but I have tested shooting the wrong WB in cam for RAW vs XF-AVC All-I and correcting. The WB adjustment within the RAW tab got it back to normal, utilizing non-RAW wb adjustments didnt get it to a correct image no matter what. I could only get it closer with extreme color grading and color warper. I drop the ISO all the time a little bit in post with Canon RAW and it gives a more accurate exposure adjustment than the other tools. No additional noise etc. I guess you haven't really used Canon RAW that much Josh. @@Josh_Sattin
@Jaydexterphoto
@Jaydexterphoto 2 жыл бұрын
Skin tone is all that matters. we need actual people in the shot
@MrKrums-px9ht
@MrKrums-px9ht 2 жыл бұрын
Just me or was the 4K looking clearer?😶
@andrewhuynh
@andrewhuynh 2 жыл бұрын
Baked in sharpness processing with 4k, which RAW won't have. Same with noise reduction.
@maxmaxmaxgoon5602
@maxmaxmaxgoon5602 2 жыл бұрын
I dont know why you made the video Subscribers viuws ???? You said your work flow ...what is your work flow ...lika paid shoot real vlients show that.....i shot a turkish wedding 8k raw canon r5 then shot 4k she noticed on 4k tv ....
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