I just bought 6dmkII and happy with it. Canon RP feels like a joke, so I prefer to stay with DSLR

Thank you! Around 2016 I bought three heavily used 6D’s to do a single video project where I needed many angles, and each of those bodies wound up having over 300k shutter actuations. They just WORKED 😂 I sold them after project but they left a real soft spot for them with me. the 6D I purchased recently which was featured in this video was almost completely unused, the guy bought it new eight years ago and never learned to use it, it had like 1,000 actuations- so basically I plan to have it forever. I just started noticing that I would get sketched out carrying my R6 with a $2,700 lens from the salon down an alley to my car at night so I decided to get the cheapest setup I could for work and to be completely honest I don’t even miss bringing the R6 to shoot haircuts. If I want to shoot action of any kind or if I want to set up to talk to the camera for a video, then I grab the R6.

@@andrewdoeshair I finally did buy the R6, its awesome, but the 6D is still a bad ass and I will continue to use it too.

@@danc3746 I did the same, bought the R 6 and I also going to keep my 6 D II. The R 6 is awesome !

My 6D shutter failed at 99,000 clicks. I found a tutorial online, paid $20 for a set of new shutter leaves, and it’s back in action. Great camera.

Thank you! I’ve subscribed to your channel! I didn’t focus too much on the differences in image quality with this video because my main audience is hairdressers who don’t understand things like dynamic range, however since recording this I’ve begun to find a new appreciation for the vibe of the older sensors- in fact I basically donated this 6D to my salon for my co workers to use and I’ve switched to a 5D classic for my “fun” work (I’ve got a video about that one, too 😉). It’s hard to articulate but the modern sensor seems to coddle a poor understanding of lighting and allows detail to be captured in cases where an older sensor would lose it, so it’s like even when light is of poor quality you can see what the picture is of so there’s not as much incentive to learn about lighting. With my 5D classic (and to a lesser extent with the 6D) if the light is bad the picture is BAD and if the light is good the picture is GOOD.

Would you use Magic Lantern during a professional shoot (wedding, corporate work)?

@@boahandarrowsproductions4326 I do not do commercial work so I won't comment. I was just writing that as I know not a lot of people know about ML.

@@Morgan_In_Motion Coo, I appreciate your response. I've seen some of the Magic Lantern videos but was not sure how reliable it is. It would be a cool cheat code for a budget camera with a high quality output.

@@boahandarrowsproductions4326 I installed ML on an old Canon SL1 a few years ago and it was really neat, but I never leaned on it enough to know whether it was reliable. In my case with that camera it was just to sort of see what it was about but since o also had nicer newer cameras that already did everything I needed, I never dove deeper into magic lantern

@@andrewdoeshair Understood. I almost picked up a Canon EOS M to test out Magic Lantern on it but went with a Nikon D7000 for photos.

Thank you!!!

I often forget that my 6D can do that! Big reason I went with the 6D over the 5Dii

I was actually super excited about the R8 when I saw it advertised, but after it was released I sobered up as soon as it came to seriously considering buying it. I decided I probably won’t end up owning it. The R6 has better ergonomics, I’ve owned an RP which has the same form factor as the R8 and those back buttons are very awkwardly mashed way over to the far right edge. Also the thumb wheel on the back of a camera is such a deeply rooted muscle memory for me to use, I never felt connected to my RP or EOS R because of that lacking wheel. In fact both of those cameras (I imagine also the R8) had a very unintuitive user experience which required a lot of looking at menus and touching the screen to navigate- which is perfectly fine for studio work but if I’m trying to react to a changing scene I want to use muscle memory and tactile feedback- not a touch screen menu, to adjust the camera on the fly. Actually I didn’t mention this in this video, but those older canons (5D and 6D series, probably others, maybe 7D) having buttons on top in a straight row made for very easy and quickly familiar use, to where the RF bodies all feel like the top buttons were randomly slapped all over the top of the camera. Even now after using RF cameras since the very beginning of them, I need to look at the camera to use any top button with certainty. I can navigate my 5D classic blindfolded. Anyways, I’m going to be very very picky with any future camera purchases about this tactile experience and menu-free navigation, because I’ve learned that it means more to me than megapixels or dynamic range.

I feel you. On the rare occasion I shoot anything other than haircuts for Instagram (like, I’m posting this right now while at a drift event at a race track, intending to make prints for friends who are driving) the 20mp feels realllllly limiting, I have to keep reminding myself that I basically can’t crop (but I still will just a little bit). If I were to start shooting stuff like this for more than just fun I’d certainly end up with an R5 or at least a 5Div.

@@andrewdoeshair Would love to have a R5, but that is just out of my league :D Very nice channel, by the way!

I am the same situation. Bought my 6D in 2013. However, the last 2 - 3 years hardly photographed. Maybe more with an R6 again... 🙈

Nice. I’m considering getting one of those. This 6D in the video here doesn’t belong to me, I bought it for my co workers to keep at the salon, but I personally bounce between this R6 and a 5D classic for my own daily carry. Those two cameras are on very far ends of the spectrum in every way, so I’ve been thinking of getting something that sits in between the two. Initially I thought 6D but it’s basically a 5D classic with beefier AF points and slightly higher resolution, however the 6Dii adds a flippy screen and focus tracking over the 6D, making it sit closer to the middle of my 5D and R6. I just hope the 6Dii still retains some of those “canon magic colors” that their early DSLR’s had.

@@andrewdoeshair so far so good.

If I wasn’t doing any video work where I needed a flippy screen and focus tracking, and if I wasn’t shooting action at all, I’d be as happy with the 6D as I would be with the R6. If you feel like your 6D isn’t snappy enough in the focus department or burst rate, like you’re missing shots because of it, I’d go with R6, but if that’s not a problem and you’re wondering if image quality alone is worth the difference in price I believe it is not. I suppose another big factor is how interested in RF glass you are- I absolutely love my RF 70-200 and my RF 16mm F2.8 because they’re both tiny for what they are, but I still use a few Sigma EF lenses because there’s just no RF glass that can do what they do. If you were interested in a specific RF lens or two then of course it makes sense to jump to RF, but if speed isn’t necessary you might be happier with an RP as a gateway to explore RF lenses

@@andrewdoeshair I love 6D and I don't care about video at all, probably will never shot any video even if I buy r6, my options: buy a Tamron 150-600 G2 and try new things with my 6D for fun, cost $1,400 or upgrade to r6: get a lots of new features, get good focus with my L series 70-200, (because I am not very good to focus on eyes with my 6D), Also there are a lots of reviews says: R6 is superior to 6D on HDR and dynamic range photography which I care a lot about only problem: $2,500+$200 (convertor with ring) + $100 (New L Bracket/cage)+ tax, it is not just the body, some of my 6D parts won't going to fit to R6. main question is the R6 new features vs 6D worth $3,000 ? how about older model like EOS R, is it worth getting older mirrorless ? does it have the same features as R6?

Nice. I totally agree. Since I recorded this video I’ve been using my R6 less and less, and I actually picked up a 5D classic about a year ago- which was totally a gateway into some forgotten treasures and it completely changed my relationship with photography. Now I’ve sold off every RF lens I had and have switched to some good old classic EF’s for a fraction of the price. Like the EF 28mm F1.8 USM is a lens I never would have thought to put on my R6 but it’s such a great lens on the 5D. I shoot DAILY now that I have a fun simple old canon with nice JPEGs and cheap lenses, where I only shot for work when I was using thousands of dollars worth of gear and processing every image myself. The 6D I showed in this video was donated to my salon shortly after this recording, but I’ve been seeing them hitting the $250 range in fair condition and I’m strongly considering getting one as a daily carry since my 5D classic has been falling short lately as the sun sets half way through the day and it struggles to focus in low light (and tops out at 1600 ISO).

The 5D should serve you well for a long time.

@@mt-nv4jd thank you very much

My feelings exactly! I just sold my EOS R (second camera) to buy another 6D and free up some funds for new strobes

I’m not a real photographer 🤓

@@andrewdoeshair After having listened to you these 25 odd minutes talking about the photographic experience of these two cameras and given your final advice, I'd say you are ;) Cheers!

Thanks! Yeah this was all shot with iPhone 13 pro max. For the speaking part I used the 3X lens in 4K/24fps with the exposure dropped by a full stop. I did some light and quick tweaks to the colors with just a tone curve and a hue/sat curve in FCPX. The teal background is a pair of Yongnuo YN360 lights pointed at grey seamless paper

@@andrewdoeshair Thanks a lot! You definitely made the iPhone camera look really good. The app of the iPhone really tends to overexpose the footage a lot, so I definitely can see why underexposing helped. Given that you used such a cool background, one doesn’t even notice the „missing“ depth of field. My biggest problem are the weird skintones that the iPhone 13 Pro Max is giving me, but yours is looking absolutely fine. So cool to see, how far the smartphone cameras have evolved.

I think for shooting the multi cam drums thing like you’re doing (great content, btw, I subscribed 🤘) you could totally buy two or three used 6D bodies with cheaper used primes (even like manual focus Rokinon for CHEAP) to cover your angles. A few years ago I produced like 30 hours of haircutting videos for a paywalled website and what I did was start buying used 6D’s for dirt cheap then placing them all around the haircut. Similar to a drummer being stationary, a haircut doesn’t move, so monitoring and live auto focus are nice but aren’t absolutely crucial. Get a mannequin to stand in for you where you’d sit, and light/focus on that then just trust that you did it right while you play 😂

@@andrewdoeshair Thank you! That is a great idea! Atm I am using various old, cheap and borrowed point & shoot cameras next to my R6, but with your idea, I would have a way more consistent look without totally breaking the bank. And all my lenses and cams would be in the same ecosystem, which would be nice too. Are the R6 and the 6D sharing the same batteries? I actually tried to hit focus by stacking books on my drum throne, albeit with varying results 😂

@@ElBoyoElectronico yep that was why I went with a bunch of 6D’s, to get the same look across all the angles. When I first started the project I had a 5Diii, a 6D, and a few rebel cameras but I was having a hell of a time matching the footage, so I went with all 6D’s and all nifty fifties and made editing wayyyy easier. The R6 and 6D use the same battery but the R6 battery, while swappable with 6D, apparently has a higher capacity

Thank you! I’m currently editing a video comparing the actual images between the two cameras. Should drop tomorrow sometime 😋

Agreed on all points. I should have made my own use and needs more clear in the video, but I shoot people saying “cheese” in a well lit salon after their haircut so dynamic range and high ISO is of negligible importance for me (and therefore I didn’t go deeply into that). Usually when I make these videos about cameras or lenses I forget that photographers might see them, as my typical audience is barbers and hairstylists looking for a very basic and practical introduction to photographic information. I’ve found with the R6 that shadow recovery is absolutely insanely good while with the 6D it’s not horrendous but it’s nothing to write home about. I like the way the 6D handles colors more than the R6 though (see the comparison photos at 2:38 and notice the small OOF blue light renders more purple on the R6- same settings, WB, and same picture style).

@@andrewdoeshair yes, I get that you make this review, and base it on your needs as a photographer and that is perfectly fine imho. You are not the first to say this about the R6 (in fact, the entire mirrorless Canon colour systems) being inferior to earlier Canon DSLRs. I am curious, have you tried alternate RAW software to Lighroom? lightroom has never been good with Canon colours imho - DPP and C1 Pro do much better jobs.

This is portraiture. Doing it right, consistently and in production really means studio portraiture with controlled lighting. The R6 has no advantage in such environment, least of all a silent shutter when the strobe goes off anyways. Also, the last thing you want is to struggle for that 14 stops of scene dynamic range. The goal is to flatter and record with detail. The idea is for that 6 stops of scene dynamic to give definition and 3D pop. No, the 6D is precisely right. For this, a 6D, standard prime lens, a good quality strobe kit and lighting modifiers are well under $1k USD. Get a bit of practice with this and the JPGs will be more than good enough to use straight out of camera; no need to post process. Time is money. This will give much superior photos than a R6 - in that the camera body itself is $2k USD.

@@RobertLeeAtYT and if you want to use the camera outside of the studio? Where the R6 II clearly outperforms the 6D in every aspect.

@@davepastern Sure, but in the context of this video it's studio photography.

This camera was a bit of a lesson learned for me. I did justify the purchase when it was $2,600 because I needed the flippy screen and my kids were getting to that age where I couldn’t count on them to sit still and say cheese, and I don’t necessarily regret the purchase because it’s meant some wonderful images of my kids that I would have missed with my 5D or 6D. However, as tech tends to do, this camera dropped in value crazy fast, and just yesterday I saw a brand new R6 marked down to $1,500. I’m using this thing until the shutter falls off, and once that happens I’ll just find another one used. No more new cameras for me.

@@andrewdoeshairagreed. We often love our gears far more than the joy of making good photographs. and the social media bombards us everyday with FOMO … until most of us fall for it.

Mirrorless cameras are better at shooting video than DSLRs, so people think the former can replace a camcorder, when it really cant. They shoot too much video with these cameras, so they overheat and break down.

I should have done a dynamic range test when I had both cameras in my possession. I didn’t, because for what I shoot I don’t need remarkable dynamic range so I didn’t think to do it. I’m almost positive the R6 would kill the 6D as far as dynamic range, but I don’t know if it would be a blatantly obvious difference that you’d see in most cases or if it would be a subtle difference that only showed only during sort of fringe scenarios with extreme contrast.

IF YOU PUT CINESTYLE PROFILE IN YOUR 6D, THE DYNAMIC RANGE IS BEAUTIFUL

Agreed. I wasn’t looking at images much during this comparison but later found that the 6D has way nicer colors- more stylized and attractive. I rarely grab my R6 for photos anymore and instead reach for my 5D classic or 6D. I just keep the R6 around for when I need a fast burst rate or a flippy screen.

Try use sigma 105 mm 1.4 on your phone

@@kamilnowak9750 Thats actually doable. You need to get a Beastgrip frame and a Beastgrip DOF Adapter to use EF mount lenses on your phone though and I don't think it uses the electronics so it's set wide open and no auto focus. If you don't mind using an EF - Sony E adapter you can get DOF adapters from Ulanzi or Fotorgear as theirs use E mount lenses

So I'm not the only one. I swear, my fingers look like I eat Lays all day long

How are you NOT interested in autofocus? You only shoot still objects?

It is 67.58 percent good.

I haven’t done many side by side comparisons between the two but after using both for a while I feel like (at least for JPEGs) the 6D has more attractive colors and sort of chalky blacks- it kind of has a “vibe” if you will. The R6 has better dynamic range and the shadows/highlights don’t get as mushed up, and I feel like the blues shift more toward magenta than teal compared to the 6D (which tends to feel a little bit more teal/orange). Again, though, this isn’t based on a side by side comparison but just based on occasionally shooting something with the 6D and it feeling a little teal/orange with mushed up black, or shooting something with the R6 and feeling like I’m seeing more purple and magenta than I’d expected to but rarely feeling like the shadows got crushed together.

This is true . and the first 5D, by the way, blue is even more attractive and clean