That line sums up all of Torchwood. Dr Who and the Sarah Jane adventures are for impressionable children who need to be taught to be optimistic and kind in ways that are dramatic because children tend to forget and not be inspired by things that are undramatic and not sentimental. But that drama is unrealistic and too naively idealistic for experienced, educated adults. Torchwood is for adults, and adults need to be willing to swallow their pride and to face and accept the big, complicated, ugly, sacrifice-demanding picture of life, and do things that they really would prefer not to do for the sake of what is best for others, like shooting someone you loved that was converted into a cyberperson, and sacrificing a child for everyone else. Children like to think of themselves as mice following the tune of the pied piper without free-will, but adults understand that no we're not mice dancing to tunes we are individuals with free-will and sometimes the road the pied-piper is leading you down is unacceptably bad. There is no right and wrong in science, there's only better and worse.

Because she's already one of them. Maybe not yet in body, but in spirit and mind.

I get what your saying. I think the mother should not have been so neglectful of her.

Thats something the doctor well never under stand morals are fine untill people are diying around u

I believe that letting the child go was actually the moral thing to do. She was happier that way.

Meanwhile the 456

Jack is hardcore he even killed his grandson to save the world

Yeah. But yet the team was furious he let it happen.

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Samuel Darlington no children of earth was much more depressing than this. At least here I know she wanted to go with them (the fairies), with children of earth I could find no Silver lining in that cloud. The look on Jack’s grandson’s face haunted me for days.

Id go to the D&D world or faewild in a heart beat to n be done with Earth XD

Children of earth was emotional especially when jack sacrificed his grandson to save the world but he lost his daughter...

Couldn’t Jack just get Martha to call the Doctor up? He’d know what to do

Unlike doctor who torchwood shows atrocious acting

@@karazor-el9596 Was that really necessary?

...you say that as if Doctor Who always has a happy ending

@@aidanstead6069 Doctor Who doesn't always have happy endings, but I haven't seen a character on Doctor Who make the call that Jack had to make here.

@@karazor-el9596 well to be fair doctor who has exhibited some shit acting since Jodie took over, not that its her fault necessarily its the companions that really bring it down.

Same but I they are only producing audio books of Torchwood at the moment...

I agree that torchwood is a masterpiece but angel is the best spin off show ever

Hm... in that case, what about the legend of far being volnurable to iron or being capable of dying? If that is true too then I see an easy solution here. Every species has its time and every species will eventually go extinct, it's just a matter of who is more well adapted after all. And they are incapable of adapting while we are undefeated at it.

Void Jockey killing a fae will only bring you more hell, the god of the fae is the god a god of death

The doctor would have wiped the floor with them

Well, yes and no. Small benevolent fairies like brownies and hobs did exist in folklore. Really, the fey of legend were kinda like kami in Japanese mythology or spirits in Native American mythology. Some are horrifying, some are friendly. Some are basically gods, and some are household pests. Children's media just... tends to ignore the horrifying ones. Though really, what we call fairies today pulls from a hodge-podge of Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Scandanavian etc mythology, so the lines get pretty blurry as to what is or is not a "real" fairie.

let's not forget though that tinker bell tried to kill Wendy out of jealousy

He wouldn't have been able to stop them, but he would have found a solution that would satisfy all parties present. The fae get what they want, Jasmine's mother gets what she wants, which would mean they would allow her to see Jasmine occasionally and Jack would feel less guilty for letting Jasmine go.

@@Shanethefilmmaker Why wouldn't the Doctor be able to stop them? He's the Doctor.

@@JohnnyLCob If you think he/she can stop everyone, then you obviously don't know the Doctor pretty well. Even they have done questionable things in their past. Stuff they regret, but stuff even they couldn't help. Including but not limited to making sacrifices. The show Torchwood was meant to imply threats of an alien and futuristic nature that even The Doctor couldn't handle, because of either personal reasons or even he/she's afraid of immensely.

@@Shanethefilmmaker How does it imply that the Doctor couldn't handle it?

@@JohnnyLCob because if the doctor could handle it they wouldn't be here. They'd either leave on their own volition or he'd have to kill them. Considering they aren't dead yet or gone, it's safe to say that the doctor didn't or can't.

The Doctor would just glare at them and they’d be “Oh shit! Give back the children! Just give them back! It’s the Oncoming Storm!”

The difference is that this is actually a good, original story, and Dr. Who is 50 year old regurgitated crap.

TheMajR Payne no

Torchwood wouldn't of happened without Doctor who. Torchwood is ok, but doctor who is just...better, in so many ways.

TheMajR Payne yeah, no.

The thing is Jack could’ve literally just got Martha to phone up the Doctor at any time

Geeky Walker Corben really, this is most fun that we both are watching this video lol 😂

No, you weren't. You can feel the agony and heartbreak in every scream. It was enough to shake me to the core.

@@axel4196 that's agreeable

I think they we feeling for the mother. Knowing that she lost *EVERYTHING* That day.

@@LinkTardis The mother didnt deserve her if she was willing to put up with the abusive man she was with.

No. The girl belonged to the man that wanted to sex her.

Was? He still is have you not seen his DILF status

Was? Is!

*is

He’d have probably materialised the Tardis around the 456 and take it far away from any life

Torchwood are great, but they’re still way out of their league when the Doctor is in comparison.

Welsh accents are so funny. Just look at one of Gwen's arguments with her husband. "BLOODY HELL RHYS!" "BLOODY HELL GWEN!"

@@wanderingshadow1372 ikr . One of the reasons I love Torchwood!!!

Agree.

And with what leverage? The fairies held all the cards and Jack’s only advantage, having Jasmine, was a poor hand with huge risk of danger to himself and the world. These creatures don’t seem like the negotiating types.

@@jbcatz5 true. In folklore fae volk might be keen on deals - IF they benefit only them, yet might seen to be what that poor soul wanted...

A true hero puts the morals aside to do the right thing

Yeah I know that I was saying it as a pun like a joke you know what I mean Oh my god dude I really give up on you

bit of a difference though Jasmine understood and chose it, Stephen didnt

Yes she is. In fact, the episode ends with one of the torch wood members finding an old picture of a faerie with the girls face.

It was always to be separate - RTD said he didn't want the doctor appearing in the show, due to the more adult nature of Torchwood

To become one of them

What Jasmine said about them killing people and freezing the world which would kill everyone and why Jack says what choice do we have for the world.

They’re such a primal force that all Torchwood can do with all their technology is follow the devastation and bodies they leave in their wake. In a matter of seconds a whole group of soldiers was soundlessly murdered. The fairies can control the weather and the only thing that stops them is that they get their Special Ones. No building can keep them out, one of them got into a police detention cell to kill someone and they never showed up on camera.

How would the doctor know and don't say cause hes the doctor

@@matthewjones2095 Because he’s the Doctor… He literally destroyed an army of Dalek’s and Cybermen with nothing but his mind and companions

@@KF3000-w7x while true to a point... how would one get a species that was living before the human race to agree to settle down some where and some when else? Forget not, that fae are said to have some abilities concerning time and space as well.

Torchwood is 100% better than the newer writing, I love doctor who so much but the latest seasons are god awful

@@mikaeltruelove Dr. Who shoulda been cancelled in the 70's when it was still relatively decent and relevant.

@@mikaeltruelove is it that bad, I could only watch the pakistan episode yet, no easy way to watch the show where I live, but I am afraid to see what happened to the Doctor

General kenobi

Their not really aliens

Montekeule1 this wasn’t filmed in 2020

@@sharonc.8801 REALY ????? omg i can read and i know the show. but this show cant work in 2020.

@@Montekeule1 I agree, too many human characters. we need more monsters and aliens. and if you dont like that, the you are a human supremacist probraly working for shady groups like Angry Monkey and Humans at Arms.

@@Montekeule1 sure it could it had gay jack and just bring martha in as a?second doctor she was better then owen anyway

Because Jasmine was a special one, indicating either a vetting procedure or that she was somehow the right combination of aspects to be appealing to the fairies.

I actually prefer season 1 over children of earth and miracle day