Ugly square boxes. Each to their own.

Yeah if the United States government had helped him the way that they helped Chrysler the engine deficiency could have been solved and the employment situation could have been improved.

Funny part is they had the engine in the works. They had a supplier fit a twin turbo on the PRV it would have made the car what it should have been. They also had a 4 door designed which would have sold to a few since no one else was doing that. A little more help from the British government and getting Delorian out of there or reducing his authority and they would have gotten every penny back instead Thatcher and the like had to stick to their rhetoric instead of seeing the reality of what had already been invested and seeing it through. All the hard work was done. The project was 7/8 done.such a shame for the workers.

@@rski1036 better than your honda civic

@@alandenson6649 That is called economic fascism, and leads to communism government control of production,---like today. Your great idea did not work well.

Buying a Delorian, and turning it into a muscle car is on my bucket list.

Its been done some guy swaped a LS into a delorean.

One of GM's best engineers and that car was a big threat to the American automotive industry. He knew the car needed a better engine. Funny the big 3 do not see Elon Musk Tesla as a threat for some reason. Maybe its cuz Musk don't know shit about making cars.

The government should have given the company a bunch more money. He was loaned so much money already, the company got to the point it was and then it closed. If the company was given the money it needed to get to where it needed to be the company could still be here today. People up here in the rust belt would love a stainless steel car that wouldn’t rust out in 5 years from the salt from the winters

Well said. He tried to be a real hero. Working for the state is not heroic. Creating a factory that hires people, gets them out of poverty and gives them their own opportunity, (They may become competition, like Delorean),--that's a HERO! :) We just have to be free to do it.

Exactly John DeLorean sold the dream considering it was in stainless steel,that's the whole point of selling cars it's not just to sell the car but the sell the dream.

The car was not stainless steel, the body was covered in it. The reason no one else did it was because it added unnecessary weight, no color options and also it scratches way too easily. A good clear coat is much harder than stainless. It is also more expensive because you can't just spray and bake, you have to hand brush the whole thing.

flip inheck Then why make it from SS?

jjmonns The first idea DeLorean had for the body was fiberglass, but that seemed cheap and opened the door for ridiculed, so they decided to use a metal that was never used before on a car body (SS) and used a marketing strategy that it would never rust and didn't have to be painted. At the time, DeLorean was considered a car designing genius.

Bobster986 Except the car did rust as it was only SS clad. The frame and underside was still regular steel. He was a genius when he was able to hide behind the oversight of his previous employer. There he did well, perhaps it was more the company than just him.

I agree 100%

The GTO muscle cars are the holy grails! Even though I'm a Mopar fanatic!

Doom666 No arguments here. My "dream car" remains a Mustang GT, the one McQueen drove in "Bullitt".

Great car man, I gotta say one of my dream cars is that 1968 Dodge Charger the hitmen are in during that epic SF chase! My dream car is a '69 Roadrunner!!

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner* I also really want a 69' Mustang! I think that's the year of Steve McQueens 'Stang right? But that ride is a badass, green machine!

+Martin Smith I wonder if he might have managed to get the funding necessary if he hadn't been arrested. Certainly seemed like he was very dedicated to keeping the company alive.

I think DeLorean was asking around for anything like this. So the FBI swooped in and stung him. Entrapment is like approaching a person offering them money if they commit crime X. Here, JD was asking and looking for it. It's a very fine line and he managed to be acquitted but I'm sure it could've easily gone the other way.

+Martin Smith Is legal just as bush jr. made an attack on UNEXISTING evidence,and that "eviddence" give them reason to "make a PREVENTIVE attack". It's the way the american "mind" works. They're the country that HAVE AN OFFICIAL PLAN AT PENTAGON NAMED 8888 something,FOR "ZOMBIE" APPOCALYPSE and in that dossier they mention 3 types of zombies : Zombie something,MAGICAL zombie and zombie CHICKEN ... Does I have to say more about this INEXISTING "nation" and how they're MAD ... ? I guess not.

Supposedly funding had been secured the day of the bust and John had yet to be contacted before he was arrested.

@@hendo337 I saw that on a new documentary.

reliability... with K-Jetronic? are you JOKING? granted I have no DeLorean, but I had 2 VWs with that horrible fuel injection system and I wouldn't call that reliable. matter of fact, the shop where my brother works had a DeLorean in just last week with issues and I believe they were to adjust that crappy FI system among other things.

LOL Delorean reliable ? They are the WORST reliability cars ever. Voted for the top worst cars ever. Powered by a peugeot engine UNDERPOWERED.

zeroswings2 I've had several german cars with K-Jet, and for the most part it's a reliable system. God help You if something goes wrong though. Only one car I owned had a problem, and even after it was "fixed" it never was right. I hated the system to be honest, there was nothing You could do to really improve it. It wasn't the worst though, that would be Chrysler's early TBI system on the 80/ 81 Imperial. Even they gave up on it fast, the fix was swap it with a carb and intake manifold.

Underpowered, absolutely. But I'll bet you if you get a DeLorean that's been properly maintained you'll love the car.

Matt Carpenter I had a neighbor who worked for a Pontiac dealer who was getting DMC cars. When the first one came in back in 81 He let Me check it out pretty well. I loved it and still think well of them. That engine was in production for many years and many variants, including a turbocharged model. Look online, there's performance tuners who've done fun stuff with DMC cars. I'd take one in a heartbeat!

You wouldn't happen to be in Hillsboro, Oregon, would you? I used to drive by a small airfield each day and would see the unmistakable silhouette of a fucking gorgeous, near-mythic 'DMC-12' DeLorean...parked low slung like an Italian stiletto among the comparably garish & pedestrian Honda Odyssey minivans & Kia commuter junk.

+hoopenhanger Any chance you went back to 1955?

+ToaOfScotland22 If I had the chance to go back to 1955 I would have stayed there.

Ahm, exqueeze me sir, but that's a distintcly _Norern Ahrn_ accent I hear :^)

Prubbs Is that a Wayne's World word? Uhhh exsqueezz me, baking powder?

You certainly sound like you deserve a DeLorean.

When he was at Gm he had a big stable of first class auto engineers, draftsman, designers as well as an experienced work force, and the immediate availabity of parts manufacturers. He had nothing like that in Northern Ireland. I think he was pretty naive to not anticipate real problems. He did not get the Capital he needed meaning that the early cars had to sell quickly or he wouldn’t have the funds to keep making more, that also caused the designers and engineers to have great pressure to get everything ready way too quickly. As a result the cars had to be re,anufactured once they were delivered to Long Beach. His staff had to grab whatever parts they could find whether idea or not. The engine was hardly what he had in mind. It fit which was essentially the main requirement. Good show with a slant critical of the man in areas where he was really out of his league.

Jesus Behind the Wheel With little resources the car he built put the fear of God into the big 3. Funny they don't care about the electric nerd Elon Musk (Tesla).

if you think the big 3 dont care about tesla then you have your head in the sand

The GTO is just a fucking "optional equipment group" on a fucking Pontiac Tempest that had a "full-size engine" before John DeLorean had anything thing to do with it.

Tesla gonna be fucked when the German electric cars come you watch

Ooh that's a great story. I felt like I was there 🙄

GM would have never sold him any engines, one, for being a competitor, two, for being an ex-executive. DMC built a prototype twin turbo with the PRV engine, but never put it into production.

No,John's biggest downfall was that he was grandiose...for a start-up company that plant was way way way tooo big...way to many employees...way too much overhead expenses for a startup company...he DID NOT need a Park Ave. NYC Corporate office...he did NOT need to fly the Concord jetliner.. from the UK to the USA..he did NOT have to spend Millions on Mansions(which trump bought later and turned into his Golf resort...the NJ mansion)....Delorean was a Salesman and that was his passion...he cared little about the everyday running of DMC...all he cared about was acquiring other peoples Money and spend it on his dreams...whether they made profits...that was for his accountants and CEO's to figure out...a good part of the DMC Funds were used to acquire other Businesses...that also failed...and to live his lavoius lifestyle.

You are most welcome.

+robert glenn precisely. We bailed out the banks for the cost of BILLIONS.

InvisibleYetVisible Do you realize that when Bernake called all the NY central bankers into an emergency meeting, many actually thought they were possibly being set up and going to be arrested rather than receive billions in bailout checks. Fucking amazing!

robert glenn As a Brit, I didn't know that, but I do know that it cost Britain 456 billion to bail out the banks, all at the cost of the British taxpayer. What's more, that was only out of luck. It nearly cost 1.2 trillion. DeLorean was asking for pennies.

Well, the problem most likely was that it was unlikely the company would ever be a success and was not really important to the economy as a whole, only to Belfast. I mean, yeah, the money the banks got is insane, but I don't think it's surprising that Delorean didn't get any more money, especially at that time.

robert glen : WELL CAUSE THEY KNEW HOW THE TRUE POWERS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT THEY ONCE WERE GLADLY PART OF WUD TRY TO DISPOSE OF THEM IF KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY THEY WERE TO GO AGAINST IT. JUS THE WAY JOHN DELOREAN TRIED TO WHEN HE REBELED AND TRIED TO BE THE ELON MUSK MUCH BEFORE IT WAS TIME FOR AN ELON MUSK AND A" TESLA " TO COME ON THE SCENE. ON THE BAISS OF HIS 44 PATENTS HE HELD FOR INNOVATIONS IN AUTOMOBILES HE THOUGHT HE CUD REBEL AGAINST THAT ESTABLISHMENT. BUT WELL THEY ARE REALLY TOO GOOD AT THIS. AND ALL THOSE WHO SAW WAT HAD BEEN DONE WITH DE LOREAN MIGHT BE DONE TO THEM BUT WELL AS THEY FOUND OUT THE TRUE ESTABLISHMENT HAD VERY MUCH USE FOR THEM. HENCE INSPITE OF WEIRDLY CLEAR EXPECTATIONS ON THE PART OF THOSE BANKERS. SOMETHING ELSE TOTALLY HAPPENED SIMPLE :-I

It was some years earlier so they were really able at that time to tear into Tucker, besides his not ever being part of the mainstream auto industry. For example they leaked a sealed sec report which was never made public or made available to tucker and his defense. The main us attorney persuing the company became the first federal appellate judge in history to go to prison. Very ironically over stock fraud, charges of bribery, perjury, conspiracy etc.. Sadly had these companies been allowed to continue on or have their ideas incorporated into the "mainstream" the industry would have advanced much quicker. With respect to tucker the american auto industry espically could have stayed in a much stronger position to have reacted differently to them.

Tucker 48. The torpedo was only a design concept.

well dats wat the establisment does when u are trying to be a " tesla " much before it was time for a tesla to come on the scene and capture peoples attention. dats wat u get when u rebel against the time table ... :-I

He went out like a boss lol

Rexx Bailey Musk don't know shit about making cars. Delorean was a GM engineer and one of the best. It was like one of their own working against them (the big 3).

Phantom096 Musk is building cars that almost everyone loves and revolutionary ones at that. DMC was a nice idea, a slight evolution but not remotely revolutionary, that was poorly executed with weak performance. There is nothing special about a DeLorean other than it's properly rare. I wouldn't want one if I had to drive it.

Bo McGillacutty Clearly you do not know your DMC history cuz if you did u would know the car did not get all the parts DeLorean wanted due to money. Musk on the other hand asks for money with no product and people give it to him. Electric cars are nothing new been around since the 80's maybe even before that.

easter egg?

That actually hits hard!

"Marty, you're acting like you haven't seen me in weeks..."

Or, they filmed his interview long before he passed away.

Isn't it poetic justice that the Failero also was a motorized grocery getter?

Rýán Túçk Yes indeed, karma is a bitc..... LOL

Fiero fireball

***** Only the V6 models can make such claim, 4 cylinder models were slugs..........

***** Wasn't aware I was helping. My ex had a 2M4 and it was sssssslow, my '74 Capri 2000cc would run rings around it. This was over 25 years ago.

Don't be stupid.

@@Ingens_Scherz ?

chinchy111 The workers jumped the fence to take over the factory. It was a sit in which last a number of weeks. They were tricked by the Receiver to give up the sit in. He told them that he had a buyer and there jobs would be saved. How do I know? I was at the mass union meeting at the time!

If it ain't selling what is the point?

@@hue008x Desperation often finds a way around logic.

Why did you buy 4 of these tomato cans?

Not so. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edSaiMmomq_cqJc.html

Also I find it kind of offensive that this documentary only mentioned Giogiaro and not Colin Chapman, who was massively involved and rates alongside Enzo Ferrari and Ferdinand Porsche as one of the greatest innovators in the history or cars. It's fairly well acknowledged that Chapman would likely have gone to prison for his involvement in DMC.

wheelinthesky300 : HE WAS TRYING TO BE "TESLA" WAYY BEFORE, CAR WISE A TESLA LIKE UNIQUENESS WAS SUPPOSED TO ARRIVE ON THE SCENE. DE LOREAN REBELLED AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT AND HE NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT DOWN. DAT TO IN A WAY WHICH ENSURED DAT HIS HOLDING OF 44 AUTOMOTIVE PATENTS IN CAR DEVELOPMENT WUDNT HELP HIM. THE FIRST ATTEMPT OBVIOUSLY WAS DIS OUT OF NOWHERE ASSISTANT WHO WENT STRAIGHT TO AN M.P NO LESS WITH PERFECT FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF A COMPANY WHICH HAD A REAL AND GENUINE PRODUCT AND MOTIVE BUT WAS IN NO DIFFERENT A MESS THEN TESLA HAD BEEN IN ITS INITIAL YEARS, VERY CONVENIENTLY WITH THE NARRATIVE OF JOHN DELOREAN " BEING A CONMAN ALL ALONG " :-I GUESS HE REBELLED AGAINST THE REAL ESTABLISHMENT AND STARTED MESSING WITH THE TIMETABLE OF THINGS LIKE DAT ARRIVING ON THE SCENE WERE MEANT TO HAPPEN SO.. HE NEEDED TO BE TAKEN DOWN. AND DATS WHAT WAS ACHIEVED. DIDNT MUSK HAVE A MODEL WIFE JUS LIKE DAT ?? :-I

Couple of Leftfield tracks in there too. That was a great album.

J.S. Reilly - right on

Nonsense. All politicians must engage in salesmanship to some degree, but not every politician outright lies "by definition" as you put it. Many do, but it's not a requirement for gaining elective office and never has been.

@@humanbeing2420 sorry, but it very much is part of the deal. ALL politicians are scum. The last politician with any balls or principles was Robin Cook. Don't defend them, because that's part of the reason that they have so much power over the people that they are supposed to represent...and people forget that too. THEY represent US. WE pay THEM. They are scum. Every one of them.

+Donovan notmyname the ugly truth was the fact that the workers were paying dues to the IRA and London wanted that to come to an end.

+Josef Venport Not sure I believe that.

Donovan notmyname : That's funny paint.

Because he is.

Donovan notmyname Where did you get that idea?

Brother believe me He was rich beyond our imagination and wallets 😅😅😅

tach reads 1500 rpm when car is completely off. lol

+evilcowboy All the means it fast, even while standing still. LOL!

nofrackingzone...sooo fast...it could not outrun a Volkswagan Bus...with Lybians chasing MJ Fox....good thing it was a time machine...and he could escape back to 1955...otherwise MJF would have been blown to bits by the Libyan with the Rocket repelled grenade...lol

He was more of an engineer than a designer.

Agreed, not to mention that the car did terrible in crash test even by 80s standards. It died for a reason, there is a reason car companies didn't try to mimic this vehicle in any way.

I suggest you read the crash test report and compare it with other cars of the same period. In the crash tests it performed exactly as designed, allowing the front end of the car to crush in a controlled manner. Something ALL modern cars are now designed to do.

The A pillar completely gave way. I know you have a bias for this car but it clouds your better judgement. I admit it was an interesting concept but in the end it failed for a reason and the only reason and I mean ONLY reason it was ever attempted to be revived was BTTF.

"It should be noted that the vehicles tested were pre-production prototypes with various cosmetic flaws. One problem we encountered was the driver door on Test No. 2 vehicle. Of the two door latches on the driver side - one forward and one rearward - we could at test time only latch the forward latch. Because of this, the aft side of the driver door came unlatched as it began to pickup load, thereby removing an important structural element from the driver side. This was manifested by more crush on the driver side and a net clock-wise rotation (when looking from above) of the entire vehicle during the test. Another factor contributing to the degree of structural damage seen in the vehicle was the rather massive instrumentation packaged located immediately behind the seats. We therefore had a "worst case" situation for the vehicle structure. In spite of this worst case test condition however, the "survival space" inside the compartment was maintained so that the compartment interior dimensions were not greatly different than before the test." The full report makes for good reading. As I said before it performed as it was designed to. www.delorean.net/crashtest.pdf

What are you talking about? My parents bought a brand new 1979 5 Speed Peugeot 604 (133hp Solex 3 barrel carb setup was all that was offered in the USA); they have put over a 250,000+ miles on that car. The engine burns no oil,makes no unusual sounds,or has no drive-ability issues, etc. It has had regular oil changes over nearly 40 years. The chain and water pump was replaced about 20 years ago(as prevention) when the timing chain cover was re-sealed to solve an occasional oil drip here and there along with the front main-seal. It still has its original clutch. The mechanic that did the repair used Honda-Bond RTV silicone and it has never dripped a drop of oil since then. Only thing they did about 15 years ago....was have some R134 hoses made....other than that...car has been bullet-proof in terms of reliability-durability. The ignition system was converted to simple, cheap and bullet proof Chrysler Electronic ignition early on (no wires had to be cut), the Bosch electronic ignition system was garbage from the start...especially on hot days the module did not like to work. Granted,it's a slow turd launching with a empty curb weight of nearly 3,500 lbs. A very high 1st gear and stock 3.58 rear gears does not help with immediate acceleration...but once on the go...it manages ok.

Right?! Wtf is that dude saying?

Incorrect. The speedometer was capped at 85mph. This was legislation at the time and was the same on other cars. It does not mean the cars top speed is 85mph. It's actually 130mph, which you would know if you took the time to do 2 minutes research, rather than spouting off inaccuracies as fact.

You're hilariously wrong. I've seen these cars when they were on the road. LOL, 130 maybe going down hill with a hurricane force wind pushing it. Most of the time they were behind a tow truck.

+nofrackingzone if you have never owned or driven one, you are not in s position to comment on the cars performance. Sure it won't win any drag races, but that's not what thar car is. The Delorean is a very capable sports GT. While I have never pushed mine to the limit, I can tell you as an owner, it will hit 100 easily without breaking a sweat.

All cars had an 85 MPH speedo in those days.

James, I was an adult the time these cars appeared on the market. A standard plain jane Ford or GM sedan speedometer top peg was 120.

Several "docudramas"are available now. Not aware of any full scale Hollywood major motion pictures though. From Minnesota USA

Its like that and thats the way it is

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i see what you did there !!@!

It was the whole world working as a team

@@stevemtc1 That reference just flew over my head sorry XD

Jeff Hayes Very true

No it wasn't. Tucker never built an actual "production car" and no two "Tuckers" are identical and the car never advanced past the "prototype" stage.

Mark G When I see a GTO I think DeLorean. Love that car.

And Chevrolet was simultaneously building Impalas and Novas and Bel Airs and Biscaynes and.... John DeLorean didn't "give birth" to anything besides large loads of bullshit successfully sold to fools like you. And the "GTO" is/was nothing but a "special equipment group" optional on the BASE MODEL PONTIAC TEMPEST.

@@deeremeyer1749 It began as an option package, but later became it's own model. And yes, it was a huge marketing success

Sorry but that's a Huuuuuge No! Had JD not WASTED so many millions of dollars that were specifically given to the company, DMC would have had the money to float the operation itself for upwards of almost 2 years! If that were the case the government would have seen he was honest and earnest and it would have proven to them he truly was a man of the people and would have been inclined to provide a bit more financial assistance until the crises was over and DMC might still be a major player in the automotive industry today. Then again, look at Saab. Even as a successful automobile brand they inexplicably went under. What did DMC in was JD's gross misappropriation of funds and nothing more! He was too busy living an unrealistic lifestyle that was not in line with the needs of "HIS" company, and his misspending made it so that ANY little hurdle would force the company into financial ruin. That's exactly what happened and DMC is literally history. Just sad. He actually achieved the impossible and then threw it all away in almost no time. That said, the build quality was atrocious and if you watch people restoring and rebuilding them you've seen countless facepalm inducing things that you'd never believe in a million years unless you saw it. Screws in gas tanks, rags in random corners under the body panels, literal WOOD components used in the interior… just wow! Incredible they charged what they did for these hunks of junk that were marketed as the sportscar of the future, and worse, it had a terrible and completely weak power plant. Colin Chapman likely played a larger role in the deceptive "ethics" DMC fell victim to being as he too was always living a lavish lifestyle and was a charismatic salesman of sorts.

He reminds me of "Commonwealth" country governments. Complete scams and all designed to cover up for the "elite" running the show from behind the scenes pretending they're just "window dressing" while brainwashing billions of other inbred idiots worldwide for centuries. Speaking of which, did you get the day off work for the "Royal Wedding"?

@@deeremeyer1749 Well he employed over 1,000 people in a devastated area and produced something really unique-the DMC-12 was not a perfect car but it wasn't a bad car either. If you give people 1 year of happiness and a chance to be off the dole that's a "scam" I want in on.

Your kidding ... you've got to be kidding.

evinlck...Maybe MJ Fox...went back into time to warn JZD that the FBI was doing a sting on him.....

+TheConorsmithusa (Scotty to Kirk) "I'm giving all she's got Captain"! "We're still at 85 mph!" "We will not reach warp speed Captain!" (Kirk to Scotty) "Your fired Scotty!" (Spock chimes in) "Illogical"!

Shine On You Crazy Diamond... Loved that, and it fit so well.

Yes, sorry for the workers and that a great mark was missed due to lack of insight by bean counters and vindictive bias on the part of politicians..

gazmini81

gazmin81...I took a look at one at my local Mercedes dealership showroom when the first ones arrived here in Connecticut..and the asking price was DOUBLE the price of a Corvette at the time or $32,000.00

+Simple Read his book.GM put him out of business. They threw his dies in the ocean. This is when they set him up. He had to go to court and fight criminal charges of being a drug dealer. They did this so he could not make his dead line , when it came down to building his car. Read the tell all book. They were and still are jealous

Cornelieus Fields Agreed. The DeLorean was certainly far from perfect but we need to understand that GM played an underhanded role in the company's demise as well. They were pissed about all the headaches and problems that John DeLorean caused them when he was a top executive at GM by exposing widespread corporate incompetence and corruption, especially with respect to the production and sale of unsafe cars such as the Chevrolet Corvair. They, of course, never forgave him when he left GM to start his own company and worked in any covert manner that they could to help bring about the DeLorean Motor Company's ultimate demise. I'm not saying that DMC *wouldn't* have gone under without a "helping hand" from General Motors but their cloaked efforts certainly helped.

Simple Something tells me he was one of GM's best engineers.

It was probably JUK30X ? That car lives round that area.