Lotus Elise old v new: Series 1 and Series 3

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5 жыл бұрын

Aaah, the history. The base philosophy of the Lotus Elise hasn't changed in 20 years, but really, this is a good thing and it’s refreshing. Adam catches up with a Series 1 owner.
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@johnmiller2290 3 жыл бұрын

I worked at the Lotus factory for 15 years, two of those years 97-99; I was in the paint shop, so would have worked on that S1

@aeiouxs 3 жыл бұрын

I owned 3 x 1999 S1 111's (not concurrently) John so no doubt you were involved in painting those - big thank you from me mate!

@johnmiller2290 3 жыл бұрын

@aeiouxs Thank you. Glad you enjoyed them.. I loved working there, it was more like a community than a company.. I remember once; I was standing outside having a cigarette, when an American guy came over and asked for a light. I handed him a spare lighter, and said he could keep it. We had a chat, then went back inside. Turned out he was President of Lotus USA.. It was like that, didn't matter who were or what you did, for the most part everyone had time for everyone.. We were all in the same boat

@canarywolf7678 5 жыл бұрын

I had a stock s1 with the k series engine, best car I’ve ever driven.

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

Did you have head gasket problems?

@canarywolf7678 5 жыл бұрын

wils35 yeah but I had it sorted

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

Strengthened head bolts??

@darrenporter1850 5 жыл бұрын

I had S1 too (111S). Was great, so raw. Have S2 now, it's great car.

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

@@darrenporter1850 which one do you prefer the look of?

@ratcat7668 2 жыл бұрын

Its Lotii as discussed in the Aussie Elise forums. I was watching that Pomie series 'At home withthe Braithwates' The Matriarch bought the Lesbian daughter a yellow series one, I was instantly in love (with the Elise not the daughter) So i did some research then I discovered the Series 2! I found one in the seaside town of Rye in Southeast Victoria. It was $25K without a roadworthy certificate because it needed a new alternator. I bought it fixed it and loved it for 6 years then sold it, bought a very nice SLK350 Mercedes but there was just no comparison. I sold that and bought my second green series 2 Elise. The Lotus philosophy "add lightness".

@AtypicalDriver 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison! We never got the S1 in the USA but it's finally eligible for import this year.

@b4bluey 5 жыл бұрын

Got to admit ?? I love em !! Thanks for the Review Mate !!

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Bluey Sc'erri no sweat mate, thanks for watching

@SoontobeClassics 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video! I really like the fact that you've found two cars with similar colors. That looks very well on screen. I've only driven an s2 111R myself. Really curious what the differences with an s1 and s2 would be. Keep up the good work!

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. The colour match was a total fluke!

@BarneyWobba 5 жыл бұрын

I've had loads of cars and my S1 (tuned) is unlike anything I've driven. It is SO chuckable and rev happy. It's amazing.

@konliner9286 5 жыл бұрын

A real enthusiast car.

@Mark13091961 4 жыл бұрын

I had a ‘99 Supercharged S1 for 14 years, hit the brakes and it stood on its nose, changed direction like a housefly, wonderful cars

@noparentalguidance4423 3 жыл бұрын

Has julian assange been let out then? Hes aged but it's good to see him driving the lotus!

@_127N 5 жыл бұрын

By the way both cars together are as heavy as one Audi TT...

@bread8609 5 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@lucaballardini1 5 жыл бұрын

A TT is not the right car to compare a lotus to either. First of all its meant to be a car for everyday, not like the Lotus and second it's AWD wich makes it even more heavy. It's a car built for a completely different purpose what makes your comparison kind of one between apples and oranges.

@_127N 5 жыл бұрын

@@lucaballardini1 It was an example! Sorry I have to correct myself for you. *Both cars are as heavy as one Mercedes CLA Coupe. Happy now?

@_127N 5 жыл бұрын

It was just about the weight not any other stats

@lucaballardini1 5 жыл бұрын

@@_127N well but a CLA coupe is a car for every day too.

@cmorsley 10 ай бұрын

Great review. I’d like to know what he thinks of the standard 1.6l engine.

@maxwellbull688 5 жыл бұрын

Love lotus

@MihzvolWuriar 5 жыл бұрын

Literally the car of my dreams, how I wish I could get one

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Pop down to Sydney, message me when you're here and I'll see what we can line up!

@Inalielsa Жыл бұрын

He is the Redriven channel guy now

@Archi2g 5 жыл бұрын

always had a soft spot for the originals

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

Good work again Adam.. I'm loving the white shoes. 👠👟👞👢👡

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

@@adzmorris looks similar to the Lotus you reviewed in an earlier video.. The car design has stood the test of time, as you have.. Lol.

@richardofoz2167 2 жыл бұрын

One other difference that you won't notice if you haven't driven both is the airflow. In the S1 the air goes nicely over your head, protecting the driver. In the S3 there's an annoying and uncomfortable draft down the back of your head and neck. Not nearly so nice in cool weather. Downright nasty when it's cold. But driving a Lotus is never about the creature comforts.

@clio2rsminicup 5 жыл бұрын

Old or new I take the both! ^^

@zachselin5257 5 жыл бұрын

Oof that road looks wonderful. Wish I could test drive an S3 there.

@vuhuynh2748 5 жыл бұрын

I've got a Series 3. Best sounding 4 ever.

@TV7TAJ 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@johntomaino4614 6 ай бұрын

Both getting very expensive now. Growing fast in value, for good reason.

@emp731 5 жыл бұрын

2007-2008 they changed from double lights to single.Also from 5 gears to 6.

@Drifty325i 5 жыл бұрын

Man Lotus cars are the no1 raw, real and reliable drivers cars by far!

@CharlieDrives 5 жыл бұрын

I’m a fan of S1 and would kill to own one! but the S3 has to be way more refined and the engine will transform it undoubtedly

@roverwaters3875 5 жыл бұрын

the S1 has nicer lines

@onethirdmayo8556 5 жыл бұрын

It doesn`t looks that old. My 92 miata looks like a old car although I take good care of it.

@MasterGuil 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, same thing here! The only thing I prefer on the S3 are the headlights.

@gerardmontgomery280 5 жыл бұрын

It's definitely lost its looks, those old big eye lights looked so much better.

@ukbondraider 5 жыл бұрын

I have an S1 but prefer the S2 and S3 looks.

@BlatentlyFakeName 4 жыл бұрын

The S1 has a nicer "stance" I think. Even though it's narrower than the S2 it looks more squat on the road.

@dbutl4637 3 жыл бұрын

Such a good car!!

@mrpikachutravel7573 4 жыл бұрын

my dream car since high school, still don't have one

@thunderpop20 3 жыл бұрын

Guys with lotus helped me today

@alessandroantognoli6211 4 жыл бұрын

S1 forever!!

@thunderpop20 3 жыл бұрын

Thanku lotus

@franciscarlisle7375 5 жыл бұрын

i have two the series two( 2005 111R) and the series three(2010) out of the two the series two is my preferred model

@tomindenver1331 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2005 series 2 with the Toyota 2ZZ-GE engine. 14 years into it, I still love that thing.

@dpqbpqbdpqbpqb4754 5 жыл бұрын

What scale are those models?

@DOJIELDIENVE 5 жыл бұрын

full scale toys:)

@zarbon700 5 жыл бұрын

The plural word for Lotus cars is Lotus.

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Is that a hint of sarcasm I detect? Or have I not seen the thousands of other car presenters that pretend to mispronunciate Lotus?

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Out of interest, whats the collective noun for a group of Lotus?

@zarbon700 5 жыл бұрын

@@adzmorris No sarcasm. It's true. The word Lotus is used for both plural and singular for Lotus cars. In a press release that Lotus sent out to its dealers, service centers, as well as the automotive press back in the 60s and 70s, Lotus cars explained that the plural form of Lotus would simply be Lotus.

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Ah mate I know and I was totally aware of this years ago. The mispronunciation was my (clearly) feeble attempt at humour. What I've since learnt is that a few Lotus fans do not find my style of humour at all funny and I should maybe refrain from attempts at comedy and just make very serious and accurate car videos.

@SooulBful 5 жыл бұрын

those are some tight pants bro

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

They're just standard jeans from General Pants mate.

@lingling2924 5 жыл бұрын

Special Race Pants to fit in the Lotus seat

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

Better aerodynamics.

@FPS-Drew 5 жыл бұрын

I was to busy looking at the cars...

@user-oj7en8xx3g 5 жыл бұрын

I thought he just had black legs

@darrenporter1850 5 жыл бұрын

I think the S1 looks better than the S3. The S2 beats them both on looks just. But still love some S1's.

@Justinyoon12345 4 жыл бұрын

nah

@BlatentlyFakeName 4 жыл бұрын

I think the S2 looks best at the rear with the dual light setup. But S1 best from the front. I own a magnolia coloured S2 and it gets so much attention because of the looks. So far all good though, it seems to be brand most people like.

@04dram04 3 жыл бұрын

agreed

@darrenporter1850 3 жыл бұрын

@@04dram04 but... sometimes I see an S1 and like it more than S2.

@tahsin28 3 жыл бұрын

i wud have bought a elise long ago if it only didn't cost as much as a carbon 4c, cayman or a110. still looking for a decently priced used one.

@_127N 5 жыл бұрын

MK 1's design looks pretty timeless. Design is still modern even if she's already 20 years old.

@adrianzanoli 5 жыл бұрын

it was designed in Campogalliano by Bugatti

@adrianzanoli 5 жыл бұрын

i.imgur.com/w3VGUxf.jpg i.imgur.com/X3F23xU.jpg

@jamescrump8482 5 жыл бұрын

He is nearly sitting on the drivers lap haa ha haa😂😂

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

I tried

@davebrown2333 5 жыл бұрын

As an everyday driver S2 owner, the S3 looks so much better.

@franciscarlisle7375 5 жыл бұрын

Crisper lines on the front of the S3 but the S2 handles better for some weird reason

@thunderpop20 3 жыл бұрын

Lotus hero helped me today to truck

@steveluck9541 7 ай бұрын

If I’d bought a Boxter back in 2001 instead of a used S1 it would have cost a third more to buy and then a third more to run and insure every year and would now be worth less than a third of what the Lotus is worth.

@jaggass 5 жыл бұрын

Lotus Elise's have the same running gear as the MGF/TF but it's a much better car. plus it'snicer looking and more reliable than the MGF/TF since Lotus managed to iron out the bugs on the K Series engine.

@burritodog3634 5 жыл бұрын

what about the series two? I feel like thats the most common and the one i want some day.

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

We considered it but wanted the oldest we could find vs the newest. Plus there's so much info online about the series 2, we'd just be repeating what everyone has said.

@MarioRossi-no7hs 3 жыл бұрын

Bellissime le Lotus elise , la mia preferita è la s2, ma è un gusto personale, sono la cosa più bella da guidare al mondo sempre restando nelle auto targate logicamente.

@earthstick 5 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see Lotus try the flat 4 engine from the Subaru BRZ and the Toyota GT86. Lower centre of gravity, balanced and 200hp NA.

@Drifty325i 5 жыл бұрын

earthstick would be nice, great balance but it might be a little wide though, and it really needs more power in my opinion.

@earthstick 5 жыл бұрын

Lotus have managed to get 260 bhp out of the current one so with a bit of fettling and forced induction they should be in the realms of 300 bhp.

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

Like drifty said, probably too wide engine to be done.

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

They (Lotus) originally wanted to put a Honda engine in the Elise but Honda wanted what lotus said was too much money so the went with the K series. Apparently at the time the K series had the best power to weight ratio for the actual engine itself hence why lotus used it.

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

@@earthstick The current engine is the Toyota 1.8 vvtli I believe that's found in the Toyota celica. I think lotus like to keep the Elise N/A. How much power can be had out of that 1.8 Toyota lump keeping it N/A I don't know.

@BasicInsideOut 5 жыл бұрын

It’s funny that anyone would make comments on the pants after the first 30 seconds of the video - after all, it was about the car, right? LOL Great historical video, especially with a racing legend! And the jeans are just fine - like with the car, if you got the physique, flaunt it!

@adzmorris 4 жыл бұрын

Billy N, thanks for supporting my choice in pant wear and an even bigger thank you for watching and enjoying the video.

@BasicInsideOut 4 жыл бұрын

Make more! You’ve done an awesome job!

@marcticket8019 4 жыл бұрын

While driving the S1, they show 2 times the left side of the S3 (see indicator) (@1.33 min & 2.56 min)...

@adzmorris 4 жыл бұрын

We sure did. You must be outraged. Have you been able to sleep since realising this? We're incredibly sorry that this horrendous visual trickery has put you through such stress and anguish and we should immediately delete the video before more lives are put in danger. Kidding. Honestly, it started pouring with rain during the shoot and we ran out of light and time to mount the cameras to the S1 to capture the onboard footage. But does it matter? No. Does it ruin the video? No. The fact you spotted this is to be applauded as it takes serious knowledge of the car to spot and thank you for watching the video with such concentration and detail.

@Derpderpson123 3 жыл бұрын

@@adzmorris lmao I can taste the salt relax

@thunderpop20 3 жыл бұрын

Do I get one

@bm027 5 жыл бұрын

The S1 is still my pick. Looks that hasn't aged it one bit against the S3, if anything like a fine wine the S1 is getting better with age.

@laracroft938 5 жыл бұрын

1:32 too close for comfort??

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Nah, Mark was very gentle with me and is a total gentleman.

@josephstalin2138 4 жыл бұрын

Series 1 looks like a mr2 from the front

@lingling2924 5 жыл бұрын

What is the weight difference between those two?

@DOJIELDIENVE 5 жыл бұрын

a lot more than they imply in the video. like about 500lb difference.

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Jump on the written article mate. The exact weights are published there.

@gerardmontgomery280 5 жыл бұрын

About 100/200kg of the top of my head. One is a little under a ton and t'other a little over.

@steffenkawa8374 5 жыл бұрын

Gerard Montgomery nope the S1 is lighter weighs around 750-800kg and the S3 920-960kg

@gerardmontgomery280 5 жыл бұрын

@@steffenkawa8374 is that dry weight or curb weight?

@alexsedman1 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video but expected a bit more insight from a racing driver to be honest. Not really much about the feel and response of the steering which is the highlight of the Elise in my opinion. Nothing about the huge difference in low down torque and power of the supercharged engine vs. the rover engine which makes for quite a different driving experience, nothing about the servo assisted ABS brakes vs the non assisted brakes of the earlier car. Though maybe I'm missing the point and this is more about the similarities than the differences...

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

ABS brakes shouldn't be fitted to an Elise. That's an American thing, same as how they shouldn't be fitted with A/C. It goes against the whole Colin Chapman thing.

@alexsedman1 5 жыл бұрын

But they are fitted, which means the braking is different, but it's not mentioned. My point is that in a video comparing an old and new car, the differences aren't talked about really. I'm not sure I agree about the A/C. Some markets the Elise are sold in are hot all year around. The car can get very hot in the cabin and if there was no A/C option people wouldn't buy the car. The S1 was sold in places like Malaysia with A/C because it would be unusable without. Lotus struggle to sell cars as it is so limiting the market by not offering concessions to comfort would be a stupid thing to do and would mean the Elise wouldn't have survived to the present day. I'd wager most Elises these days are specced with A/C. I get that it adds weight but it needs to be an option. I use my Elise daily and on some of the hotter days of summer I've wished for A/C, even with the roof off.

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

@@alexsedman1 I know the ABS is fitted as standard but any true drivers car shouldn't need abs, it's for casual drivers. I understand your point with the AC, maybe I'm being a bit selfish (Cold Britain) not thinking of hot weather places, but for me every ounce counts. I would rather sweat my nuts off TBH, plus if you have the roof off you should be getting sufficient draft from speed.

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

We could have made the video 3 hours long and that would have allowed to go into that extreme level of detail but we wanted to communicate the overall feel and experience that comes form both Elise and do that in less than 8 minutes. We weren't trying to point out all of the similarities or differences between each car, we just wanted to celebrate a brilliant and iconic car.

@emptyshirt 5 жыл бұрын

So its a Miata for rich people?

@CarlosGarcia-ze6rt 5 жыл бұрын

More like a mr2 for rich people

@TheCharleseye 5 жыл бұрын

More like a Miata for a Miata owner's husband.

@90garret 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheCharleseye There is nothing wrong with gay marriage these days😂

@TheCharleseye 5 жыл бұрын

@@90garret Nobody said there was...

@90garret 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheCharleseye Just trying to protect my fellow male mx5 drivers

@KoolMeester2 5 жыл бұрын

I prefer the chassis design of the series two over these two

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Overall design?? The actual chassis is exactly the same from Series 1 through to Series 3

@darrenporter1850 5 жыл бұрын

I think the S2 looks the best too. Love the round lights in the S1. Yeah they toned down the S3 front a little and copied the intake shape other cars have , like it, but S1 and 2 look better.

@steveluck9541 3 жыл бұрын

@@adzmorris Not true they chopped a big chunk out of the sills on S2 and S3 to make them easier to get into. S1 Chassis rail is a continuous box section with no cut out.

@fentuz 5 жыл бұрын

What s a s1 140? Does not appear in the lotus history. S135, 111S s160 s190 but no 140. Also, why are they shots of the s3 seal and nose while driving the s1???

@fentuz 5 жыл бұрын

Ok日本語がわかりません Not the engine is std120 inlet and head hasn’t got the vvc mechanism.

@fentuz 5 жыл бұрын

Ok日本語がわかりません 4.26 std rover

@gregou22 5 жыл бұрын

@@fentuz definitely a standard 120 (from the exterior anyways), plastic throttle body and everything. just a "sport" Filter on.

@fentuz 5 жыл бұрын

Ok日本語がわかりません It s not the inlet manifold that I was looking at, it s the missing vvc actuator . This engine looks very stock but he could have a ported head which would give about 140 but it s not factory. No more factory than mine

@mattah 5 жыл бұрын

Sport 140 is kind of a weird Australian dealer 'special'.

@adrianzanoli 5 жыл бұрын

FUN FACT: the Elise MK1 was designed in Italy by BUGATTI in the Campogalliano Factory, so if U have an Elise U have a Mid engine, RWD, 2 seater Bugatti... Kinda of... FUN FACT N2: the Ligier Nova had the same interior buttons of the Elise MK1

@jadc 5 жыл бұрын

It was designed in Norfolk by Lotus. Bugatti owned Lotus but had nothing to do with the design or development of the car. Those interior buttons were shared with that Ligier, yes, but they’re from a Peugeot 106!

@DOJIELDIENVE 5 жыл бұрын

Designed and Engineered by Lotus at Lotus and assembled by hand there as well even now. Can you tell I'm a fan?

@DOJIELDIENVE 5 жыл бұрын

yes! didn't know that about the buttons. the vents on the s2 are in the Alfa 4C and of course the Elise shares almost all the interior with Tesla Roadster.

@DOJIELDIENVE 5 жыл бұрын

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@whizzo94 5 жыл бұрын

Tony Schute at Lotus was the Project Manager, Julian Thomson did the styling and Richard Rackham designed the chassis

@smilereceive 5 жыл бұрын

Series 4 is looking great with the turbo and move to a V6. Great that the price is also the same and even the weight down with the move to carbon. Go Lotus. Peace to my negros.

@mervinhatten5513 5 жыл бұрын

The plural of Lotus is Lotus!

@jy2592 3 жыл бұрын

Series one is really cute

@EB240 5 жыл бұрын

Wisemans ferry?

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Sure is

@peterclark6290 3 жыл бұрын

@ 6:01 (sign)

@marshallsonmotorsltd2101 Жыл бұрын

S1 for me, every single time. Time less design and super driver focused

@ustradingdiary 5 жыл бұрын

series one design is more nice

@domdegood5376 3 жыл бұрын

Artioli wanted a cheap Ferrari.

@speedsteran 5 жыл бұрын

S1 more motor Honda Vtec perfect combination.

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

The F20 S2000 lump fits in.

@zedlicious 5 жыл бұрын

That’s what I did :) 👍👍👍👍

@steveluck9541 3 жыл бұрын

S1 Prices are climbing steadily A car with the Rover Engine will be worth more than any engine swapped car. Best bet is to get the original engine fitted with a nice manifold and exhaust system bigger throttle body and ported head. VVC Engined Elise is the best of the S1 for road use.

@tomthompson7400 3 ай бұрын

sort of like a sports bike for folk whos wife wont let them have a sports bike then

@quacktac 5 жыл бұрын

Not really much of a comparison video.

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

That would be because it's not a comparison video.

@bargibargibargi 5 жыл бұрын

flanny and tights!?

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

It's called style mate, you should give a shot sometime. The jeans are Lee Z-One in a 32 in Onyx Black and are available at General Pants, Myer, David Jones, The Iconic, JustJeans and a host of other clothing retailers around the world. The shirt is a Gitman Vintage and also available from The Iconic, Modern Classic, Somewhere and a host of other stores that carry the best in fashion.

@Nemoticon 5 жыл бұрын

The Series 1 is still one of the prettiest cars ever... but change those pants man, tights don't work on guys!!!!

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Actually they're called jeans. They're very popular. These ones are Lee Z-Ones in a 32 in Onyx Black and are available at General Pants, Myer, David Jones, The Iconic, JustJeans and a host of other clothing retailers around the world. And yes, the Series 1 just works visually so well.

@tolga1cool 4 жыл бұрын

@@adzmorris They might be popular. But they look hideous

@thunderpop20 3 жыл бұрын

Angus terry bsbby and lotus now

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

Series 1 will always be, and is the best series.

@TheChenny73 3 жыл бұрын

The only other car that offers what? I’m pretty sure Mazda offers that car.

@andrewfreeman9437 4 жыл бұрын

THAT'S where Julian Assange got to!

@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt 5 жыл бұрын

LS swap Jk

@wils35 5 жыл бұрын

That's a Hennessy Venom.

@gerardmontgomery280 5 жыл бұрын

Keep it British, TVR speed 12. 750-800bhp N/A.

@thunderpop20 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Ned kelly blue jumper hero

@theluxembourgambassadoron4582 3 жыл бұрын

Mk1 is a lovely one with fish’s eyes, Mk2 has frog silhouette and Mk3 sucks...just kidding

@ilanpi 4 жыл бұрын

He looks and talks like Julian Assange.

@sen795 5 жыл бұрын

he's wearing leggings

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

No no they're called jeans. Manufactured by Lee Jeans and made of denim. Very popular pants and the ones I'm wearing in the video are their Z-One in a 32 in Onyx Black and are available at General Pants, Myer, David Jones, The Iconic, JustJeans and a host of other clothing retailers around the world. They're extremely comfortable, wear really well and are great quality plus you'll look quite cool and fashionable, clearly something that would be a new experience for you.

@smilereceive 5 жыл бұрын

Christ this is dull

@adzmorris 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry mate, we did our best with extremely limited production time. We'll try to add some explosions and a helicopter next time.

@smilereceive 5 жыл бұрын

A.K Morris bruh I meant the car! Lol. For real though, shame lotus can’t innovate like other car makers. I had a 2016 model and the build quality is a joke. And no, the handling does not make up for it, it is really that bad. Crap engine, leaky doors and terrible paint. I sold mine and got a Porsche. 1000 times better. Just as good handling, a little pricey but quality on another planet. Sorry lotus. Your days are over. This German dude is going native. Peace.

@alessandroantognoli6211 3 жыл бұрын

S1 forever!!!