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1971 Mercedes-Benz 280SE 3.5 vs. 2012 Mercedes-Benz CL63 AMG - CAR and DRIVER

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Car and Driver

12 жыл бұрын

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@ddoyle11
@ddoyle11 8 жыл бұрын
Give me an old school Mercedes any day. Yes, the new ones are nice and sleek and have lots of toys, but nothing beats the feel, ride, touch and smell of an old Mercedes.
@taniaizzo143
@taniaizzo143 4 жыл бұрын
Ok
@jefflim5443
@jefflim5443 4 жыл бұрын
Now you're talking!
@joshbriggsDayZBeast
@joshbriggsDayZBeast 8 жыл бұрын
that 280SE is absolutely stunning omg. I usually dont like restomods, especially the really awful and tacky ones you see at sema, but i have to make an exception for this, its stunning, brilliant.
@waltwilliams1770
@waltwilliams1770 8 жыл бұрын
At 5 minutes 30 seconds into the video the tester is shown opening and closing the door of the 280SE. You shouldn't need to "slam" the doors on this car like that. These doors will solidly shut with much less effort.
@clippet-hk
@clippet-hk 8 жыл бұрын
The old classic is so elegant. So beautifully hand crafted, built to last.
@MrGoldenwaffler
@MrGoldenwaffler 9 жыл бұрын
I'll have the 280 with the original 3.5, thanks.
@Engineering_Rebel
@Engineering_Rebel 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the way to go, I hate when they modify the car.
@Porsche996driver
@Porsche996driver 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the 3.5 was a great little V8!
@CletisVanDam1
@CletisVanDam1 10 жыл бұрын
I'll take the old car. I love that classic Mercedes styling and the simplicity of a classic car. The interior is amazing in terms of quality and the materials used. I don't think Mercedes used pot metal for window cranks or anything, it looks like real steel with a healthy coat of chrome and the wood accents are just beautiful. In the old car you wouldn't feel like you're sitting in a cocoon of plastic. Top quality plastic is still plastic. Of course, my driving style would also lend itself nicely to a classic car since I don't drag race and would hardly ever use the capabilities of the modern 560 hp engine. For me it's the classic, hands down. No disrespect to the modern car, it's beautiful too.
@TampalocatorsPM
@TampalocatorsPM 9 жыл бұрын
I'm proudly analog in a digital world. There is something delightfully primitive about driving an old Mercedes Benz. They just work so well and there's nothing flashy about them. These cars just go about their business in understated style and an old school type of luxury. Look at a 10-15 year old CL500 - those cars cost nearly $100k and are now considered too costly to even bother to repair. Old school just keeps on going and appreciating in value.
@minibus1351
@minibus1351 7 жыл бұрын
who in the right mind will choose that cl63 over a 280SE with 300hp? That SE will never look out of place ever.
@MrTheMiguelox
@MrTheMiguelox 8 жыл бұрын
Tha 280SE just makes the CL look so tacky, so plasticky, so overly agressive, so grotesce, so ugly.
@scanspeak00
@scanspeak00 8 жыл бұрын
+MrTheMiguelox .. and so bland.
@gusibrahim6961
@gusibrahim6961 8 жыл бұрын
+scanspeak00 and so average
@HeyEveryoneHi
@HeyEveryoneHi 8 жыл бұрын
yeah .. obvisoully older is better
@dankwartdenkhardt5714
@dankwartdenkhardt5714 3 жыл бұрын
that´s it. The 280 SE 3.5 atomizes it completely. One piece of wood from the 280SE has more dignity, more pride than the complete other car. They were simply uncomparable.
@Scorp969
@Scorp969 11 жыл бұрын
When my dad use to drive, he drove his 1970s Benz, and loved it. I totally forgot about my memories of playing in the front seat with all the knobs, and just enjoying the little details of craftsmanship that I didn't really understand at the time. Everything was so mechanical in those cars; from the folding armrest in the backseat to how the sunroof opened. Now that I look back, I realize it was my favorite toy. Thank you for this video. It gave me something I would have forgotten and lost.
@GetrealwithSteve7
@GetrealwithSteve7 10 жыл бұрын
The '71 is a classic. It never gets old. It is as beautiful today as it was off the showroom floor.
@atos.nympha3451
@atos.nympha3451 9 жыл бұрын
Definitely the old one!
@atos.nympha3451
@atos.nympha3451 9 жыл бұрын
Have you consider the selling price? Maybe it gone for u, not for everyone tho I would be happy to have one classic merc.amongst my fleet.it a must
@beloglavisup2
@beloglavisup2 6 жыл бұрын
Me too. The best for joy rode
@yadidimeanmaine
@yadidimeanmaine 10 жыл бұрын
The interior of the classic is so gorgeous, and I love the shape of the rear glass that ties together the profile of the pillarless cabin with the rear flanks. Beautiful.
@legmaker50
@legmaker50 8 жыл бұрын
Stunning interior on the 280. I miss the old school wood and leather . The new cars are just not as beautiful to me.
@mcbigman100
@mcbigman100 12 жыл бұрын
Old. I saw this car at the SEMA show last year. It is far more impressive than this video is ever going to show you. The craftsmen ship displayed in restoring and retrofitting this vehicle is incredible. It was one of my favorite cars of the entire show!!
@veredyanovsky2
@veredyanovsky2 8 жыл бұрын
the 1971 looks like ART! nothing this days regarding design can get even close to it. not even a modern Bugatti. the artistic design of cars lasted till the 70's and then ended. the digital era of the 80's and beyond ruined it all.
@IndianG100
@IndianG100 12 жыл бұрын
I read everyone of your guys magazines and love it, great review guys very in depth, keep on doing your stuff!!!
@syrgrad91
@syrgrad91 10 жыл бұрын
280SE for sure. The retro mods they did on it are simply spectacular!
@MrRicardo11
@MrRicardo11 9 жыл бұрын
I would definitely have the older car, the 280 SE. Its a piece of real craftmanship, and that model was the last of the hand made S-Classes. Its gorgeous.
@the80386
@the80386 8 жыл бұрын
The newer ones maybe be technically better, but the older ones were simpler with less to go wrong. That's why they're still out there running with original engines. And the old models had a pure calm elegance about them that the new ones just can't seem to recreate. This is not only true for Mercedes but also BMW, Audi, all the car makers really. Personally I love the 70s American designs a lot but there's some real eye catchers at every generation from the Germans like the W126-Coupe or the W129. BMW had their E24 and E38.
@atos.nympha3451
@atos.nympha3451 8 жыл бұрын
right!
@supra1722
@supra1722 8 жыл бұрын
+zeebazu the old ones are also far better built. luxury at no cost. now, they stick to budgets, regulations, etc.
@supra1722
@supra1722 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter van Remmen the quality is unmatched. the new ones may have more tech, that's about it. to me tech is not "better". awesome car, brother
@jhawki777
@jhawki777 8 жыл бұрын
Very true
@LMacNeill
@LMacNeill 8 жыл бұрын
I would take that '71 280SE any day of the week and twice on Sunday. That is when Mercedes could BUILD a car! That thing was designed to LAST FOREVER! The new one, not so much. Modern cars -- all modern cars by all manufacturers -- are designed to last 8 to 10 years, tops. You're not going to see any modern cars still on the road when they're over 40 years old. It's just not gonna happen.
@eddiemas1157
@eddiemas1157 3 жыл бұрын
Hi every one, can any one help me sell my 1971bentage car its a mercedes bens color red
@eddiemas1157
@eddiemas1157 3 жыл бұрын
its a mercedes benz 1971 280SE
@Callediceman
@Callediceman 12 жыл бұрын
great review.. very informative and entertaining
@DieselBenz
@DieselBenz 10 жыл бұрын
Definitely go with the OLD car! Overall build quality in a car will NEVER be like it was of that era. Having a modern powertrain in a bullet-proof chassis is the best of both worlds!!
@tomwebber9377
@tomwebber9377 8 жыл бұрын
I can see the value of modern technology in the new Benz, but nothing can tear me away from the classic lines and true simple elegance of the '71. The new motor and all else is spectacular, but there is something to be said for the sheer true elegance and style of the 3.5. Given my choice, in purest form of each, I'll take the '71 all day long.
@CrusherGER
@CrusherGER 11 жыл бұрын
I could cry to see an engine like this in a classic car, especially in a Mercedes Benz, its just not right. A car like this isn't about power, about speed, about handing, its about the nostalgitc aspect of these old cars, you own them to own a piece of history, something that has a story to tell, to feel ... they shoud be kept as original as possible, not with torn out and replaced heart under the hood and a lowered suspension. I love my dad's '71 280S, its original.
@cyberbtse
@cyberbtse 12 жыл бұрын
truly enjoyable review!! job well done!
@iisj13
@iisj13 11 жыл бұрын
both cars are amazing, but i think i'd take the old one. it's so beautiful and has so much soul. i could cruise around in it all day
@christophermarshall5765
@christophermarshall5765 5 жыл бұрын
The older one thanks. The style of design & build has turned them into a timeless classic. I currently drive a 450 SE.
@macmanirving
@macmanirving 9 жыл бұрын
ill take the older one. Pure class.
@hayksamvelyan
@hayksamvelyan 12 жыл бұрын
I love the clean and timeless design of the 280.
@spkprobe2
@spkprobe2 8 жыл бұрын
Will someone tell this Kid, the 280SE is a design from the 60's not seventies, the 450 Series was the Seventies.. My Pick , 280 SE with original 6.3 or later 6.9 L engine
@Uninfluenceable
@Uninfluenceable 9 жыл бұрын
15 years ago, when I found out about Mechatronik (back before they even had an English language website), I swore to myself that if or when I reach a 1.5 mil net worth I'm having them build me a W111 coupe, with the original 3.5 V8 and column shift manual trans
@BenMarar
@BenMarar 11 жыл бұрын
Excellent review! Thanks, Both are perfect automobiles!
@ecz28
@ecz28 8 жыл бұрын
280SE please, I already have a 1964 220SE coupe. The doors still have that solid thud when closed too.
@dmthinker
@dmthinker 12 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison and review c&d
@michaelr562
@michaelr562 9 жыл бұрын
I would definitely love to collect the old ones as well as buying new ones. The history of mercedes benz is what has me. It is the best car brand to me.
@richarddyson4380
@richarddyson4380 8 жыл бұрын
280SE every time. That styling is classic and timeless! I have a C250 cdi and the new GLC but I would swap both for the 280.
@joesmith-es5kc
@joesmith-es5kc 2 ай бұрын
Insanely lucky Californian who, as a teen, got to drive a 3.5 in the mid '70s after I got my license. Read the 3.5's were the last of the old-school, hand-built, Mercedes & first with a V8 engine. Cars were $12k new & $500 extra for the convertibles... If had approaching $500k for a car, would buy one in a heartbeat. These were extremely elegant high-speed tourers of a quality that doesn't exist anymore.
@3yar1983
@3yar1983 12 жыл бұрын
Great reviewer .. Great cars. And this is the first KZfaq vid I saw on my new I pad3. Lol
@MohamEzr
@MohamEzr 11 жыл бұрын
the old one gives the felling of a legend .. and new one is like i am the future .. awesome video and great cars!
@ernestwije5577
@ernestwije5577 11 жыл бұрын
I'd take the old one without a doubt. It has withstood the test of time & still looks amazing. A lot of the newer stuff looks cool while it's the flavour of the week, but tends to look dated and sometimes even "what the hell were they thinking", in just a few short years.
@jrwhitney22
@jrwhitney22 6 жыл бұрын
I love this guy! Great reviews 👍 I love the classic 280 SE
@rt1566565
@rt1566565 11 жыл бұрын
great review!
@kermitefrog64
@kermitefrog64 6 жыл бұрын
I agree driving these cars is fun. I have a 1981 Mercedes 240d with a 4 speed manual and I just love driving it even in town. It is a kick in the head.
@Mitata72
@Mitata72 8 жыл бұрын
The older!! I have the 4 door model
@Mikelaren101
@Mikelaren101 12 жыл бұрын
Good video! Good Reviewer!
@itassiwarrior
@itassiwarrior 9 жыл бұрын
Definately the old school coupe - that W111 is a real cool ride!
@ealvarezrenta
@ealvarezrenta 11 жыл бұрын
I have the pleasure of having a 280SE 3.5 coupe with no upgrades as a daily driver and its the best car I've ever owned. It's a life changing type of thing. Absolute genius
@Beeman448
@Beeman448 8 жыл бұрын
I have an 84 300d in great shape and it is elegant,comfortable and handles well. It is not a hot rod but that's OK. I enjoy the occasional compliment especially from people who are 10 or 15 years younger than the car.
@timelesstimelapsevideo3977
@timelesstimelapsevideo3977 7 жыл бұрын
both great cars with value going up !
@zeldafan4567
@zeldafan4567 10 жыл бұрын
I have a personal love for this car, because my grandfather had one but it was the four-door. I've always wanted one of these beauties.
@geoffcloete534
@geoffcloete534 5 жыл бұрын
Joseph Finnigan
@geoffcloete534
@geoffcloete534 5 жыл бұрын
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@asifahsanullah
@asifahsanullah 11 жыл бұрын
I had that 280SE and love every thing about it.....specially the door sound, I'm surprised you mentioned the same sound uniqueness
@stevenpam
@stevenpam 9 жыл бұрын
Please stop saying "coop" for "coupe". Oops, gotta go... I'm meeting a friend at the caf. I mean, cafe.
@dustywaxhead
@dustywaxhead 9 жыл бұрын
Theres no rules to English
@igalflint
@igalflint 9 жыл бұрын
Caleb Gallegos "There are no rules in English language". OF COURSE THERE ARE RULES!
@romulus_
@romulus_ 9 жыл бұрын
such is the pronunciation in america. if he said coupé, people would rag on him for that too. ultimately, who gives a shit? you knew what he meant, and anything complaint is pretentious.
@ralphinator2
@ralphinator2 9 жыл бұрын
SYNERGISTIC123 Aluminum came before aluminium. Those silly Englishmen, adding extra letters to Latin words for no good reason.
@frankbarone4248
@frankbarone4248 2 жыл бұрын
I would prefer the 280SE 3.5 any day.....this car shows way more character, class, style, elegance and depth. No matter, where you go and who you meet....this car is a "conversation piece", that any car enthusiast likes to enjoy, even just by looking at it...and the classy design with "Megathron" technology (354 HP) makes it the perfect "Benz"....best "Mercedes-Benz" of all time....by the way, perfect exterior color and perfectly matched with the interior color...Yes, this car is very expensive ($ 400,000 US),but it's not about the cost, it's style...class...and staying humble and feeling fortunate, to be able to drive and possibly own this beautiful piece of elegance...
@stevesmythe8556
@stevesmythe8556 4 жыл бұрын
I recently passed on buying two w109s for sale, primarily by the sound of the door closing. I had one i bought that i brought back to live that had the thump. You cant buy those classic MBs without it.
@genestevens5058
@genestevens5058 8 жыл бұрын
I would take the older one. I had a 1966 220 SEB coupe in the same color and I loved it. Thank's to Car and Driver for the test.
@luckyfarmer7932
@luckyfarmer7932 3 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to tell me the colour- Currently restoring a W112 and this colour would make my short list for the paint work
@pex3
@pex3 12 жыл бұрын
this reviewer is great, i remember seeing him on that road trip you guys did with the citroen CX, really entertaining.
@ndan1616
@ndan1616 12 жыл бұрын
great great video, do more stuff like this and id choose the older one. the huge windows though are so sick
@JackpodyDK
@JackpodyDK 12 жыл бұрын
That was an absolutely fantastic review. I'll be buying a 280 SE 3.5l V8, 4 doors relatively soon. Already done my research and such, but is there anything special I need to look out for when buying a 280 SE? Thanks!
@drmanos1
@drmanos1 11 жыл бұрын
very nice video!
@unclefletch
@unclefletch 12 жыл бұрын
Growing up in the 60's and 70's, I'll always be a fan of those body styles. This was a great piece, as it brought back great memories of my childhood. I had an uncle who owned a '71 280SE, it's what started my love affair with MB.
@grechjames
@grechjames 12 жыл бұрын
Quality review, well done :) and i'd have the older model, such a timeless vehicle
@Visionery1
@Visionery1 5 жыл бұрын
I love the '71 280SE! Sad thing is, the 2012 won't survive almost 50 year, post '94 Mercedes-Benz build quality and engineering was dictated by the accountants.
@jasonmartin4041
@jasonmartin4041 6 жыл бұрын
The older one. My Mom owned one in in he 70s, let me sit on her lap and dive. Wow how cool!
@PaulZink
@PaulZink 11 жыл бұрын
My dad had a 1967 250SE coupé, cream with full natural tan pigskin interior including headliner, and four-speed manual. I remember it as such a lovely car (except when he made me wash it, painstakingly!).
@nitramreimerp1615
@nitramreimerp1615 9 жыл бұрын
280SE ALL THE WAY!!!!
@KyleJHB
@KyleJHB 8 жыл бұрын
Both beautiful cars and timeless in their ow right. Love that previous generation C215 CL-Class that pops up at 7:45 :-)
@austinado16
@austinado16 Жыл бұрын
LOL...youtube algorithm. I've owned a '66 250SE Coupe for 30yrs. That's an amazing restomod to the 3.5, with details right down to a modern, but original looking Becker radio. Love the W111 coupe body, and prefer the tall grill of the 6 cylinder models, over the low, wide grill of the V-8 cars.
@pizzapingvin
@pizzapingvin 11 жыл бұрын
This car did 4.9 to 60 in 71? While looking like a piece of art and handling smoothly, comfy yet solid. Wow. Just wow.
@AbuRoud
@AbuRoud 11 жыл бұрын
Old is gold ,, plz can u make a video about cl 1998,? Thx for the good video
@sarahs5340
@sarahs5340 4 жыл бұрын
I love this piece and both cars are beautiful!
@ekhasee
@ekhasee 11 жыл бұрын
Aa an owner of a 1978 450SE and a 450SEL 6.9 , i would say , 60s-70s Mercs are unbeatable and will always be the best of the most reliable classics !! :) Mechatronik are simply awesome !!
@alexandereshg332
@alexandereshg332 4 жыл бұрын
I own a 280se I’m dying to drive this mechatronik one with a new amg engine. I’ve heard they upgrade the suspension itself. I’m sure they did an amazing job. I can tell it’s way better than a modern Mercedes. That old body and frame with a modern engine. What more could you ask for!
@JJJunge
@JJJunge 11 жыл бұрын
I love my 1998 E300 TD! It is amazing!
@Lemontech74
@Lemontech74 11 жыл бұрын
"...more than a status symbol: it's something." Great car review. He has such a way with words...
@LRS905
@LRS905 11 жыл бұрын
As much as I love modern Mercedes, I came to this video for the old one (it has my age, lol). And I also enjoy this guy´s way of presenting the segment, looks like he knows what he talks about, very easy going, and not with the usual "I am such a macho driver" attitude seen in others. Looks like a bloke you can have a nice conversation about cars, anyday. Cheers!
@supernatural824
@supernatural824 11 жыл бұрын
I just fell in love with this w111...
@anguschisholme8372
@anguschisholme8372 3 жыл бұрын
Would have to be the best and that's the 280se .I have a 4 door version with the 3.5 v8 a 450sel 4.5 a500sel w126 a.500sel w1400 a w220 s500 .the is the w108 280se loved your video nicely shown cars and no heavy right foot. Thank you for sharing
@quackman
@quackman 12 жыл бұрын
I LOVED the shots of the interior of the old Merc, showing off the details. And, maybe I'm in the minority, but I love how the presenter didn't talk like a robot. He made a couple "mistakes" but it only made him and the performance seem comfortably human rather than an ultra-rehearsed, infinitely-taked computer program. Nice vid!
@WDKNGBigDips
@WDKNGBigDips 11 жыл бұрын
the 280SE has such a gorgeous interior!
@jacksutherland846
@jacksutherland846 7 жыл бұрын
The 280 is an absolute beauty.
@iisj13
@iisj13 11 жыл бұрын
Hearing that Sing Sing Sing drumbeat at the beginning... ahhhh :)
@phoenixsac
@phoenixsac 12 жыл бұрын
I remember working for an Oldsmobile/Mercedes-Benz dealer back in '89 and driving a Ciera and a 300E back to back. It was hard to picture two mid-sized 6 cylinder powered sedans being any more different than those two. The Benz was 3 times the price of the Olds but you could tell where the money went.
@warlord0070
@warlord0070 10 жыл бұрын
Old Skool Buddy !!
@VillaRivolta
@VillaRivolta 11 жыл бұрын
I would the Mechatronik 280SE classic.It is a fabulous classic Mercedes-Benz. As the owner of a classic M-B living in Ireland, its great to see beautifully incorporated updated and upgraded modifying with total respect to the majestry of the original. One last thing Sam Smith is the first motor journalist that I've listened too who's not full of ego, well done Sam.
@williammorales3752
@williammorales3752 9 жыл бұрын
Mindriver95, I would like to know where you purchased the modern Becker Mexico, I would love to replace the one on my 71 280SE 3.5 COUPE
@jamdc2000
@jamdc2000 11 жыл бұрын
Agree, like the Countach and ARomeo 8Ccompetizione (according to JClarkson's review on topgear) only a Poster Car.
@PeteLaufer
@PeteLaufer 11 жыл бұрын
I have a 1991 560SEL and would not not trade it for a new one, it,s one of the best cars ever build. I love the 280SE. When I was 21 I bought a 1957 300SL for $ 5000.- (in 1969) in 1971 I went back to Germany for a couple of years and sold it for $ 8000.- ...... yeah, I know, you don't have to tell me, but that's life.
@boengsardiwinata8988
@boengsardiwinata8988 7 жыл бұрын
Old one, no depreciation, solid investment!
@cobyalex
@cobyalex 10 жыл бұрын
I love the SE, I have an SL500 2000 and I love my classic body!
@PatrickCurrie1
@PatrickCurrie1 8 жыл бұрын
I would take the 280 in a heart beat. I have a 1988 300se and that old girl is still a delight to drive around town and on the twisty bits. She puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel. That wonderful presidential bonnet stretch out ion front and all the wonderful engineering. It doesn't get much better. So the 280 it is.
@northfulton92
@northfulton92 10 жыл бұрын
I like the old one. Very classic:)
@YPO6
@YPO6 9 жыл бұрын
That 280SE had little bit "outdated" look in early 70's, but I guess that was just Mercedes-style :)
@8000Christopher
@8000Christopher 10 жыл бұрын
My choice is the 280, but it would be the original 280, not some bastardized, updated power train in the beautiful old metal work. I was looking forward to the original 280 being compared to the new MB, and reflection on the passage of time and how Mercedes has evolved.
@LamboGallardo560
@LamboGallardo560 12 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the article on this in the magazine and this video just made it all the better. As for which one I'd want, new. Is the old one awesome and super cool? Yes, but even if I won a lottery tomorrow I'd never spend that much on one. The CL isn't cheap but I could understand spending that kind of money based on what you get for it.
@MemphisSilver
@MemphisSilver 12 жыл бұрын
Did i just watch a Tom Hanks review of 2 car`s..? :) solid work, loved it!
@balleridiots1176
@balleridiots1176 10 жыл бұрын
As a daily driver I'd take the cl but I'd rather have the older one any day of the week! It's just to Classy and it's beyond beautiful inside and out. Good job Mercedes-Benz for making the best cars in the world
@JackpodyDK
@JackpodyDK 11 жыл бұрын
I have a 280 SE 4 door, it's lovely but the interior in the coupe's / convertibles are magical. Also a 600 Grosser or Pullman? The 600 has to be on my list of favourite mercs.
@mfahrertraining
@mfahrertraining 12 жыл бұрын
Great reviewer!
@ManyaraKinoti
@ManyaraKinoti 11 жыл бұрын
This is cool. I have a Mercedes W123 1983 and i wish i could get a modern Engine underneath the bonnet. Mercedes are timeless cars. It feels cool everyday. I have never tired from driving it.
@dwaring1
@dwaring1 8 жыл бұрын
old... classy, unique, large spacious interior, with real wood dash
@whiteliketar
@whiteliketar 11 жыл бұрын
There is no way the new one can compare to the beauty of the old one. The interior of the old one and the exterior does something to you . I am a Lexus fanatic but this old Mercedes is the most beautiful machine I have ever seen
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