Thank you Robert for your wise advice. I am grateful for the respect you showed me with regard to my lack of towing experience. I hope this video helps others as you intend. Keep producing your excellent videos. They are invaluable !

Great video! Thank you for posting and thank you to Andrea and Trevor for sharing their story.

Thank you. Very informative, and thank you to Andrea and Trevor for their honesty. All the very best to you all

Thank you to Andrea and Trevor far sharing their experience, and to you Robert for making the video.

Robert I'm a 65 year old man retired from 31 years semi truck driver and have owned and pulled camper trailers and all ways used anti sway wieght distributors and still am very careful and worry on interstate hiways and still with all my experience am learning things from you thank you sir

Great video as usual. I experienced trailer sway many years ago and survived it. One of the scariest things in my life. Realising you are about to lose control of a car at high speed is something you never forget. Any information to make travel safer greatly appreciated. Thanks Mr Pepper.

Wow! What an eye-opening video. I'm glad you are both okay, and I've learned a lot from this. Thank you for sharing and I hope you are feeling more confident.

Towing is indeed a very complicated science to master. This video is well timed and very helpful. Thanks. 👍

Phew. Great video. I am doing my research before I buy tow vehicle and caravan. This is very sobering. Some great lessons here. Proper caravan brake controllers are so critical.

Fantastic video Robert. I love your work and find each of your videos very informative. Thankyou!

Another spot on, relevant and factual presentation Robert. Class presenter!

I have towed for many years and now tow a 2.6 tonne caravan. My observations are 1. Most people do not understand the various tow limits for their vehicles and end up being overladen. 2. Most people underestimate how heavy all the stuff is they put in their car and caravan. Do they really need a second beer fridge, generator etc etc. 3. People drive too fast when towing - I sit on 92 on cruise and sits comfortably. Take off cruise downhill and uphill and take it easy. Glad to see this couple survived this crash

Great video. We tow our caravan with a 2010 Pajero, like most 4 WD’s they are not designed to tow heavy loads and are mainly touring vehicles. We did some basic modifications to the Pajero suspension and tyres with stiffer walls which improved its towing ability and also put the same types on the van. Like others have said ESC is a plus for safety for the van, a few times it saved us because of the unevenness of some of the roads we travelled.

A good simple to follow video, I am very happy with my 5th wheeler and have had to avoid swaying caravans on our travels around Australia. Sadly seen several in the position of Andrea's. I am glad they are Ok. Regards Steve.

nailed it again, good job. All "professional" installers should know to put the button/controller in the centre if at all practical. I forgot to specify when I had/let the dealer organise the install and the location is terrible, down low near the driver's knee (at the door). Previously when I installed it my self on the last car, I put it in the centre for obvious reasons.

I think the biggest problem of all with towing vans in Australia is the propensity to overload the tow vehicle with too big a van. The manufacturers don't help either - specifying a maximum towing capacity that is way higher than the weight of the vehicle is criminal, as in say a Triton that weighs 2000kg can tow 3100kg. My solution is to limit towing capacity to 70% of tow vehicle weight for "domestic" rigs which are mostly driven by untrained drivers. This would mean said Triton can only tow 1400kg van.

Thank you for sharing your experience, well done to you

Robert, you run an awsome channel - really topnotch content - very professional delivery and communication

Smart lady, very impressive, thanks for being honest. Good luck in the future

Safe towing is a refined skill. Thanks for explaining things so concisely.

There were some interesting points made through this video. I'm certainly an advocate of Towing certification or even a Towing licence. Interesting Amanda was feeling anxious and aware of having so many other road users following behind them at the lower speed. I have no issue people driving slower to their personal conditions however pull over and allow other users to pass safely when possible. Consideration of other road users is equally important for safety. The people behind you could also feel anxious, impatience and potentially push them to do stupid things like unsafe passing, road rage etc. Simple towing road etiquette is worth learning to compliment any towing courses. Well done Trevor and Amanda for telling your experience. Safe future travels.

As an expansion to point 1, practicing towing the trailer prior to the first holiday. Ensuring the weights are similar to the planned holiday. With testing and practice, drivers can learn the effective settings for the electronic brakes in ideal conditions and learn which settings are totally ineffective at slowing the trailer. Loading up weight in the tow vehicle but not exceeding GVM, is another key way to assist with additional stability. Especially if the tow vehicle is not that heavy, the bare minimum should be in the trailer/caravan.

Thanks for sharing your experience

Very informative, thank you.

Great information again thanks Robert 👍🚙

Thanks. Well presented all round.

Good video and description. Hope people take on your points.

I left Brisbane with our new van and it was very loosy goosy.It was really quite scary.Got to the sunshine coast and filled both water tanks steady as a rock after that both tanks are forward of the axle.also turned the brakes up a bit on the trailer and just gave them a little touch going down hill made a big difference.was able to sit on 100kmh no problem.

Excellent video and good on them both for being so frank and upfront of their lack of knowledge in what’s involved in towing and the setting up procedures required for safer towing. They are both very lucky to have survived that accident with no serious injuries. My father drove “all sorts of trucks” for a living and he was very knowledgeable in the art of towing. He told me that driving a semi-trailer with very heavy loads is completely different to driving a car/4WD and towing heavy weights. He taught me how to drive and also how to tow. His best piece of advice was, weight distribution is extremely important and tow ball weight as well. Obviously there are many more aspects to the art of safe towing etc, etc. The one thing he always hammered home to me was, the old saying of...”The tail wagging the dog.” That being of course, the tow vehicle (semi-trailers excluded) should be heavier than the weight of whatever you are towing. If this was to become law, there would definitely be less instances of trailer sway accidents and towing accidents in general.

No matter how careful you are it does happen. Bloody scary. It happened to me many times towing other people's caravans as a tow truck driver over 30 years and now for myself. That's when I realised why people were paying me to tow their caravan and boat to to their destination, pre electronic brakes. LOL Glad to see you made it out ok. Cheers 🇭🇲👍😄🍻🍻

Very good video with accurate info. It must be mandatory for all towers to undertake a course and have an up graded licence. Heavy vehicle must upgrade and complete a course over 4.5t gvm, but towers can tow up to 9.5t (?) gcm unassisted. I tow with a Pajero and Mitsubishi recommend fitting a weight distribution hitch when towing heavy loads ie whenever the attitude of the vehicles is changed. Kudos to this couple for speaking out publicly.

Thank you this is educational

Thank you! Very useful video.

I never never use cruise control

Thanks Robert for the explanation of this particular situation. I have experienced slight trailer sway going down hill with a prime mover passing. Fortunately our new van and Prado both have sway control. Have since found out from doing a towing course with my wife we need more weight on the tow ball. I have since purchased a tow ball scale and will start experimenting with filling water tanks to increase the ball weight. I’m on a steep learning curve and I don’t want to be a statistic.

This is AWESOME! They dont teach you this when your learning how to drive! Good stuff! Im getting ready to tow 800 miles round trip only two days away! I will be double checking ALL my gear!

Good video Robert, very informative

My first time experiencing trailer sway I was 16 years old and when I got to the farm for work that morning I was told that the hay wagon was loaded and promised delivery a half hour before I was even supposed to clock in and they were impatient wondering where their hay was. I hooked up and took off to try and keep everyone happy. The trailer ended up in each sides wheels 3 times before I was able to get it back settled down. It was more luck than anything else that I didn't roll. It doesn't matter how upset someone else gets. It's your responsibility as the driver to make sure the load is correct. TAKE YOUR TIME regardless to verify things.

Should have interviewed him since he's telling her what to say the whole time.

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Robert, deftly handled video. I rarely tow, but it's good to be aware. Wife won't let me drag home any more "project" cars. We share the driving on any longer trips.

If you have an older tow vehicle, you can purchase a plug and play (no rewiring needed) is to install a Hayes Electronic Sway Control.

Robert, another point viewers need to know. That caravan's ATM exceeds the Pajero's towing max. They may have been towing it under its ATM but its not advisable to tow a trailer with an ATM equal or more than the tugs nominated weight for it. These poor folk have been sold a caravan unsuitable for the tug.

I bought a brand new 17 ft caravan in 2017. Towed it with a Pajero Sport. Even with an anti sway hitch had sway issues on a few occasions. Got advice regarding loading from an expert all good there. Decided to sell the caravan as my wife was having anxiety issues. Happy wife happy life now.

I didn’t see anything in the video mentioned about weight distribution spring bar with friction sway control which is extremely helpful in reducing the tendency of sway getting out of control. I have had the spring bar with friction sway control since day one. I would not tow without one.

Robert, excellent video and thanks to the folks who had this accident. There is one think I do not understand: did. the new van had not an anti sway system fitted from ex works? Or did it not functioned ????? Cheers

I practice getting my thumb on the Redarc button occasionally while I’m on a towing run. I’ll sit on 90 and if the wind is bad or I don’t feel everything’s smooth I’ll sit on 80. I’ve been in a similar situation as these guys as a passenger, I was just nodding off too and nothing wakes you up like a trailer death wobble. We were just north of 3ways in the territory.

I believe the only two significant factors relating to trailer sway are speed and weight distribution. The only way to correct a sway situation is to brake the TRAILER heavily so as to pull the combination into a straight line. That requires a quick response via the hand operated trailer brake control. Drivers of vehicles towing heavy trailers appear to be more conscious of keeping up with the traffic flow than the laws of physics. That big heavy trailer will quickly oversteer your tow vehicle if you do not allow for the unexpected.

Good video. My dad drilled into me " The tow vehicle has to weigh more than what you are towing". You could have said more about loading the van properly as well as adjusting the tow bar hitch for correct height. Also a bit harsh on Mitsubishi considering the age difference. A credit to the couple having the courage to talk about it and intending to step into the ring again. Cheers.

I think towing caravans is more vulnerable than driving articulated trucks not to be underestimated big responsibility

wow! - really good advice / design risk management on the placement of the electric brake controller, not something that would have got on my radar - thankyou - Perhaps redarc and other manufacturers could up their game and make mention of this in thwir installation manual

I think the biggest highlight here is inexperience. The problem is, how do you get that experience? Well obviously doing a course and being tested to tow is a good start. I’ve been towing for years and still learning. I regularly tow heavy boats and what I’m taking away from this video and others is other than the setup, speed is intrinsic to safety. Ive also found that you must have both hands on the wheel at all times and be ready to use those trailer brakes. Thanks guys

It's called push the button on the brake controller instead of the brake pedal. Water tanks half full. Sloshing. Inexperienced towing.

Thankyou

I know the couple would agree with this now. If you have any trailer sway, there is something wrong with your setup. Robert you completely right, your car trailer combo should have no trailer sway at all up to the speed limit or even slightly over. I'm sure if they got there car trailer setup checked out by a professional and told how to stop trailer sway if it does happen, this accident wouldn't have happen. It does worry me now that she says i will not be any driving, I will leave that to hubby, now this can cause an accident, being tired when towing can be a killer as well, need to share the driving.

I have a tow vehicle which has stability control but I also have stability control fitted to the caravan and it has definitely saved me from rolling. I was traveling along a highway when two pushbikes fell off the car in front of me. I quickly check the mirror and pulled on the steering wheel. I then suddenly remembered about the caravan attach to the back of my vehicle. I didn't have 3 or 4 seconds for the car stability system to bring it under control. From the first second I was in serious trouble and likely to roll on the first sway. I looked in the mirror again and smoke was coming from the caravan tyres as the caravan stability control pulled the caravan straight behind my 4wd. The stability system was working before I had even realized that I was in trouble. I even got a discount when I first took out my caravan insurance because I had the system fitted. They weren’t interested in the fact that it was also on the tow vehicle. I am sure it could help on the car but there is nothing like applying the brakes on the caravan.

Yep total respect too ya’s all many thanks 🙏

Great video.

Towing with half filled water tanks is a problem, with the weight of the water at 1kg a liter , the water sloshing. Around will effect the stability of the trailer. One either travels with full tanks or empty tanks.

On our recent holiday felt something wrong at below our normal cruising speed. Two things, very strong cross winds hence the slower speed, combined with very grooved sealed road from heavy usage, Looked in mirror and van was swaying my action was to take foot off. Obviously car and van have different wheel track and were fighting over the who owned the grooves. I have been towing vans for over 50 years and that was a first. No one ever mentions road surface .

Very good video thanks Robert. Do you think inertia brake controller settings do not help in this situation compared to instant (what ever the dial is on) normal setting. That way putting the foot on the brake however little gives more instant braking

As I’m not Australian I’m not sure the braking rules for trailers up to 3500kg but in NZ, and Europe, we can use the English Alko, not sure if other companies make them, system which is non electric and no controls in the cab. There’s no lag in the brakes activating like the common piston type but obviously the tow vehicle brakes have to be used. From personal experience they work very well recovering from a sway situation with a 3500kg trailer behind a Ranger.

I have over 40 yrs of towing and currently tow a 3.2T /25 ft van using a 100 series landcruiser for towing. My experience is to never use cruise control to tow because as soon as something happens like sway the cruise control will immediately try to accelerate the vehicle and make the problem worse. My experience to control a sway issue - it needs the van manual brake applied progressively together with slowing the vehicle. Speed and inexperience seems to lead to problems with new vanners who think they can tow just great at any speed ! Heavy application of the vehicle brakes will just enhance the sway issue. Van loading is important for correct ball weight, vehicle loading / balance. I use vehicle air bags, H.R. levellers together with a H.R. sway device that works well with the levellers and a McHitch 360 deg. coupling. Also every now and then watch the van tail in the rear view mirrors especially if you detect any unusual movement as this can help to pre-empt a problem (tyre pressure). Finally a coupling weighing device to check all is good does confirm all is set up correctly and they are not expensive. Happy vaning 😂 G.H.

Re weight distribution in the trailer, I notice that this van claims 2170kg Tare but only 140kg on the towball - I would have thought this wasn't enough as we seem to be recommending 10% of the total van weight on the ball in Aus for single axle trailers.

Thanks Robert.....and thanks to your guests as well. Without wanting to sound like a keyboard warrior, I must comment on the set-up of that MDC van....those 2 big, HEAVY spare tyres hanging off the back is such a glaring issue for me. It may not have been a contributing factor...but it wouldn't have done the dynamics of the rig any favours either. For what it's worth, I agree wholeheartedly with your assertions, but I would go one giant step further... I wouldn't EVER consider towing a trailer that was any heavier than about 75% of the fully laden weight of the tow vehicle. It is for that reason that I tow my 3,500kg (ATM) Bushtracker caravan with a Chev Silverado which has a GVM of almost 5,200kg (and is usually fairly close to 5 tonne when traveling). These rigs that are right on the edge of their (legal) capabilities have no wiggle room when the excrement hits the fan.

I have never had caravan sway using correct weight distribution and ride leveler sway bars. Up to 110kph.Yes there are other factors.

Didn’t even think about the electric break control button from the purpose of that the passenger can use it, But funny enough in my Hilux the redarc button looked good dead centre in the dash ,, Yep that’s why I did it like that!!

just a couple of points the pajero is about 2230kg then add the bull bar then it is about 3000kg I had one the trailer stability control is only on the VX and Kaka doo variants so you also need to consider in the case the greatly reduced pay load of the prado as this will very likely reduce the ability to tow the same van. So while I understand the discussion you are putting forward there are some important aspects that should have been included.

U could on a hwy set brake controller to a higher position so if u press car brake the van will pull up first stop sway , but in towns an city turn it back to normal, first reaction when van sways is to hit brake pedal easier i recon

The one thing that was not addressed and would have been good to know is what was the TBW I have found a lot of crashes have been caused by not having enough weight on the tow ball hence not proper distribution of weight in the trailer.

I think it should also be pointed out that a Pajero uses monocoque construction but the Prado on the other hand is designed around a full ladder chassis, this is a very important point when choosing a tow vehicle. Regarding stability issues I think people should be aware that if their setup is well designed, loaded correctly (not loading too much to the rear of the van) and a sensible choice between tow vehicle and caravan size is chosen their rig should be rock solid in most circumstances. I have towed a van all around Australia and never have I encountered the tail wagging the dog syndrome.

Fit Tyre pressure monitoring to your trailer.

I hope rv and trailer industry developing the towing hitch for a quick release if they subjected to a certain torsion force that represents Trailer rolling ,,, it could save the passengers life

@Irene and Bob Murray That was pretty much what I was going to say. We just picked up our van from Qld and towed it back home to Sydney, overtaking trucks etc, and no dramas. Van towed perfectly, and had the added piece of mind with the ESC that was fitted as part of the build specs..... Glad they walked away, and will learn from the experience.

great video thank you. I wonder if the driver has anti-sway system installed in their car and activated when accident happened???????

Not sure how the Pajero and Prado compare, but something else to consider is the distance between the rear axle line and the towball. The further it is, the more control the van has over the car, the shorter it is, the more control the car has over the van. That's why so many dual cab utes have poor towing characteristics, and indeed chassis failures.

ooh and the partially filled water tank would have got a real sway going due to the Free Surface Effect with happens when water sloshes back and forth or side to side.

You should sell your videos to the ministry of transport and industry training companies as training videos. They are excellent.

Has anyone had experience with the Tucson automatic anti sway system?

I personally was towing a small van under 1200 Kgs and I saw it at a 45 deg angle in the mirrors , I floored the v8 and slammed on the Hayes trailer brakes. Day saved. But I never felt a thing. AND the Landrover weighed MORE than the trailer nad the Landrover is rated to 4000Kg towing. PIG trailers are dangerous, they should all be DOG trailers. Why is this not so ?

Is there a tool we can use to measure the current tongue weight? If I knew the weight I could move cargo around to adjust the tongue weight.

Correct 2008 Pajero weight is 2310kg - 2017 prado is 2330kg prado is only 20 kg heavier . Also the second she touched the brakes the cruise control would have cancelled automatically.

I used to race in the mid 90's and on the way back from a race I ran into a SEVERE trailer sway. Thank God that there was a slight curve in the road that helped me regain control. Reason for the trailer swaying : my load was wrong, my race car was crashed and we loaded it backwards on the trailer. That means the engine was at the back of the trailer and on a double axle trailer that is detrimental. I wasn't going too fast either 95km/h. I was in convoy with other participants and all of were a bit shook by the incident. We dropped the speed and drove the last 200 km home doing 80 km/h. The trailer had a brake unit that worked off of the tow hitch, but those are dodgy at best. I learned my lesson very quickly and now all ways bias the weight to the front of the trailer. That keeps the arse of the tow vehicle down, reducing the tendency to sway.

See John Cadogan's explanation of the Bernoulli Effect... The high slab sides of a truck/trailer unit combined with the effect of the slab-sided travel trailer passing each other creates a vortex of rushing air between the two vehicles. Trucks being bigger and heavier come out OK... Caravans instantly sway when leaving the area of influence re the sides of the truck, and crash unless the driver of the travel trailer/toy hauler/caravan towing vehicle can instantly hit the brake controller button.....

Your point around stupidity vs ignorance is fair, but if someone is ignorant about anything road-related, there should be rules where they must learn what to do, before trying the real thing. I don't believe ignorance is a valid excuse. It isn't for guns and it shouldn't be for vehicles. They are big, fast and heavy - a dangerous combination in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing. To the drivers involved in this crash, I applaud you for allowing yourselves to be faced with us youtuber's comments and opinions.

Re the cruise control comment & electric brake adjustment in the cab, I found u can use the cruise control but make sure the bias is towards the trailer (so trailer does the work). Our tow car doesn’t speed up over the setting even on big hills, and when it’s retarding speed the brake lights come on triggering the trailer brakes. The car’s computer doesn’t care what is doing the actual braking, just that it’s braking. I’ve had scenarios where bias is towards the car and on larger hills the cruise control gets overpowered & won’t slow enough. If I don’t intervene the car would’ve sped up. Also engine braking is fine but I’ve found engine braking alone won’t slow it down enough on big hills. There really should be more courses around and affordable so we all don’t have to learn these things ourselves when supposed to be on holidays. Also agree if you aren’t comfortable doing 100km/h on straight flat bits then something is seriously wrong with you or your setup. We shouldn’t be holding up traffic on single lane roads. Thanks so much for putting these videos together, it’s made the world of difference to me when towing. When someone has told me I’m doing something wrong I can always set them straight by referring them to your work.

When towing (suv towing a small cargo trailer) should I pack my actual vehicle a certain way? Should I put as much weight as possible in the cab of .y vehicle to limit the weight on the trailer? If I should load both the cab and the trailer how much weight is safe to put in the cab verse the trailer, as in what percentage of weight should go into my cab

In this particular case, I believe the main reason is that the lady pressed the brake that made the vehicle slow down but the trailer didn’t which caused the sway becoming even more severe. If the brake controller was used to slow down the trailer, the crash might have been avoided.

5 essential steps for safety Understand Tow vehicle requirements and weights Caravan esc understandment of weights Maximum speed < 90 k Drive to conditions

I never use cruise control while towing . No ESC fitted to the van?

Poor distribution of the caravan load, is one of the prime reasons for "trailer"sway, but barely rated a mention in your video. The van in question had 3 water tanks, 2 of which were behind the axle, always fill the front tank first, and only fill tanks behind the axle if the front tank is already ull. Correct loading of the van should have featured far more prominently in the lessons to be learned from this crash. An Electronic Stability Control system fitted to the caravan would most likely have avoided this crash, and should have been included in the possible solutions. I have not used the term accident above, because this was not an accident, but merely a crash waiting to happen, hopefully the courses the couple will undertake before they hit the road again, will prompt them to do things differently.

Just survived a very nasty crash caused by sway. I was towing a large 10 mts long RV with an old RAM Van that was empty and has the v6 on it. The vehicle was absolutely over its limits, the trailer was very unstable and the road didn't help. Please tow with big pickup trucks or big SUV's like a suburban. The heavier, more powerfull and longer axle to axle length the better. Never think it is ok to push or go over your vehicles limit once or twice. I've towed constantly and successfully for over 5 years, I know fisics very well and I understand how forces play on this scenarios, I really am over the average driver on my understanding of this, but I was over confident and thought I could get away with one small run. I lost the RV, the Van, almost lost my life and My dad's life. Please keep your self well within the limits of your rigs and the limits of your skills.

We should have a licence endorsement for this precise reason. Loads and lashing, weight distribution, etc are taught and examined when you progress into the "heavy vehicle" licence classes. I concede this will never happen in our great commonwealth of conflicting states.

This is a great example of why anybody wanting to tow anything should have to demonstrate an ability to do so safely and get a permit to go along with there license to see van parks after van parks putting in drive thru sites so people are not disturbed for hours whilst attempting to back into a sight

My dad had ten plus years experience towing his caravan. But one trip he lost it the same way by loading caravan wrong.

Too much speed is often a major cause of accidents. Recently had crazy caravan drivers overtaking on the Birdsville Track at over 80kmh and more! It wasn't safe travelling in a 4wd without a van at 60kmh...!

You should never have cruise control on while towing never and definitely in the rain because it tries to stay at the speed you set it or it will rev as high as it can to get back to the speed set this should be in your vehicles service book or your vehicle spec book. All you have to do is reach down and turn the trailer brake up and use the brakes on the trailer to stop the sway and leave your foot off the car brakes and all will fix it self you just steer and keep your vehicle in your lane.

One thing about this combo is that it was at the weight limits of both. Why do people insist on towing at or above the limit?

If trailer weight distribution is good, all tyre pressures are right and the suspension is firm enough it's virtually impossible to get trailer sway. The other elephant in the room is the ridiculous tow capacities given to the current crop of vehicles. I own a '21 D-Max and would never attempt to tow 3.5 T for any reason. Insanity. Oh, and there's driver inexperience and/or incompetence but that's another story.

Proper trailer load distribution too. Have seen both too heavy front and rear load, leaving the vehicle with lowered rear, causing light steering, and raised rear leaving the tail end of vehicle light loaded, due to drawbar loading. In both instances the vehicle was soon jackknifed. Two examples, but not the only cases I have seen personally. Both could also be judged as overloaded, but largely bad load distribution certainly. The first was a large US model sedan, on suburban main road, 3 lanes wide, with a trailer overloaded with long pipes, overhanging the rear of the trailer to the point that pipes almost dragged, as the vehicle rear was floating into sway state as small dips of the road occured. I backed off and sure enough soon the vehicle and trailer did a 3 lane wide swing around, ramming pipes into rear fender and rear door, spilling some over the road. Another case on the local freeway in 100 kph zone, a car was towing a trailer carrying another car, but load distribution was dipping the rear low on the tow vehicle. Approaching a sweeping left bend with some off camber, I was about to pass as the tow rig was only ar naybe 90. I was cautious, backing off my speed to not pass in the bend, as some wiggle seemed to appear a number of meters before the bend. Annoyed at my slowing, a driver behind started furious hooting of the horn. Not more than seconds later the car and trailer did as expected, it jackknifed leaving the car on the trailer momentarily up on two wheels, and sweeping over both lanes of the freeway, and finally all stayed upright but stopped, wrapped into close together with folded A frame, facing back the way we had come. The following driver shortly later passed me and gave appreciative wave, he now understood why I had cautiously slowed.