CARBON ARROWS - Cutting, installing inserts, and broadhead tuning

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5 жыл бұрын

Carbon arrows are a popular arrow choice for both compound and traditional bow shooters. Some consider them to be the best arrow choice out there. With a little know how, it's easy to build your own even without a cut off saw and all the fancy tools they have at the pro shop. Carbon gives you a lot of control over FOC and EFOC using various means discussed in the video.
In this DIY video Clay Hayes shows how to trim carbon shafts to length, install tip inserts, discusses the Gold Tip FACT system, aligns broadheads and does a little broadhead tuning. When finished these arrows are ready for bowhunting and, given the proper combination of arrow spine, length, and tip weight, will shoot well from any recurve bow, longbow or other traditional bow.
If you're looking for information on tuning arrows for perfect arrow flight, check out this video. • Tuning a Recurve, long...
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@EmoryLLC Жыл бұрын

I have find it easiest to set the insert with the broadhead thus eliminating the need to reheat the insert. Also Boning makes a blue hot melt specifically for carbon shafts.

@labtrainer09 3 жыл бұрын

Like ALL your videos, Clay, this one is just plain excellent. In addition, having followed your channel since the early days, I'm so pleased that you have picked up some really solid sponsorship. You richly deserve it.

@clayhayeshunter 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@bowman321123 5 жыл бұрын

I've pretty much always shot aluminum but I still enjoy watching your videos and still find something new, thanks.

@dalesteinecke949 5 жыл бұрын

Another awesome tip! Thanks for all the information you share with everyone!

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome

@edjames5258 5 жыл бұрын

just getting back into traditional archery, very informative video

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ed.

@mattcarriger5438 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Clay.

@davenash7438 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Clay

@jeremylong6229 5 жыл бұрын

I made a arrow saw that I clamp a dremel into a couple years ago. Works good enough that I can't justify buying an arrow saw

@stuartmccloud307 5 жыл бұрын

Really useful video and great viewing :)

@CampfireKodiak 2 жыл бұрын

I learned a lot just watching your hot melt technique! I was trying to use a heat gun and pliers and this did not work well.

@00Zal 5 жыл бұрын

You are a great inspiration man, specially for classic bow hunting Love the channel keep it up

@jamescooper2618 5 жыл бұрын

At first, I was not going to watch this video because I don't use carbon arrows but I like learning about the subject and I like Clay Hayes videos so I did and I'm glad. I like the fact that you define FOC as FORWARD Of Center, not Front. Too many guys make that mistake. I also like the way you work on the arrows, like a common man in his garage (like me) instead of a professional salesman in a shop. I always pick up a tip or two from one of your video's

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks James

@gyeonjinearctic5650 5 жыл бұрын

Great topic! I'm just getting back into shooting, so this is really handy. Remember to always wear a respirator and eye protection when cutting carbon fiber.

@ertreeservice9558 3 жыл бұрын

Great video 💯✅

@ctandsonsoutdoors7180 5 жыл бұрын

The blue "hot melt" or whatever it's called for carbons works pretty good. Great video!

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Cool, I’ll check that out.

@UnspokenWilderness 5 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter Definitely the way to go. Never found the amber hot melt worked on carbon. Blue does the trick! All you need to do to soften blue is hot water. But after years of it staying in the shaft. It looses that quality too. Amber is for metal on metal.

@mondoman1890 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@mikeroessler6708 5 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy watching your videos, they are great. So, to keep you healthy and able to make a lot more of them, may I suggest to wear a dust mask, when sanding carbon? Carbon dust is very unhealthy, when breathed in!

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@rorynelson7548 Жыл бұрын

I use .245 victory inserts and backweights. Victory inserts weigh 22 grains and you can get 10 grain inserts as well

@miked2329 5 жыл бұрын

I use hot water to align my broadheads. Not too hot, just enough to steam, but not boil. Either run it under the tap, or place in a cup. It only takes a few seconds to get the glue melted enough to turn the insert. I haven't had any problems, yet.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@TightwadTodd 5 жыл бұрын

I do a dry run,with the Broadhead and the insert,without glue and make a mark,with the sharpie,then i glue the insert and match the marks on the shaft and insert..I use a field point,when i do the glue up..

@mthompson 5 жыл бұрын

I used Ferr-l-tite cool flex (low temp hot melt) on my last group of arrows... That worked well for me, and it was easily worked with for turning and removing with just hot water.

@FanaticNYC 5 жыл бұрын

Bohning has a Hot melt. It called "Cool Flex". Its blue and especial for carbon shaft inserts.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@markl4426 5 жыл бұрын

Great tips, can't wait to jump in. What grit sandpaper do you use to trim the carbon arrows down? Thanks!

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

I think this was 150.

@bobrees4363 5 жыл бұрын

Coming from aluminum arrows and compound bows 35 years ago when I normally used 100-125 grain tips, those weights seem humongous to me, but then I think of what a chert or flint tip must weigh and it doesn't seem so bad.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Stone tips are actually pretty light in comparison to a steel broadhead of similar size!

@tombaker2523 4 жыл бұрын

Love your videos man I'm not new to bow hunting but I must confess I went traditional, I'm in the process of building my arrows for hunting.I'm shooting a thirty in. Carbon fiber arrows I'm going to use one fifty,150 grn. Insert 100 and 125 grn two blade 3- 5 in. Fletch feather would like your opinion. Oh shooting a 53 lb. Draw 60 in. Recurve off the shelf fully trad. Hunting. Forgot 400 spine.

@clayhayeshunter 4 жыл бұрын

Should be fine as long as it tunes well.

@williamwinter2638 3 жыл бұрын

Just found your videos, you could have marked the arrow first, screwed the broadhead into the insert before gluing the insert to the shaft. Eliminating the need to reheat the glue.

@markcampbell7577 2 жыл бұрын

The further forward of center the greater the wobble the arrow will have . Do you have a solution to the heavy broadhead arrowheads?? We want to keep the foc slightly ahead of center.

@nicolasnadeau8099 3 жыл бұрын

Clay I love your stuff. Very informative. I was think how about inserting the inserts in the shaft with a broadhead already on? It would save you from readjusting them all individually later on. Is there a reason not to do that?

@clayhayeshunter 3 жыл бұрын

I suppose you could.

@mab0852 2 жыл бұрын

I use an insert tool that I've marked to match the alignment orientation of my broadheads to do just that. Put insert on tool, add hot melt, twist in shaft until mark is in line with fletch, and then toss it in a cup of cold water to cool quickly. If I get one a little off I can heat the tool, put it back in the insert and give a gentle twist to get where I need to be. The tool will carry enough heat to remelt the glue. Just cool it back off quick to keep it from transferring heat to the carbon.

@jeffdillon870 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's covered in another video, I haven't been able to watch all of them, but curious on how you determine the proper arrow length with a trad bow? Do you just mark the arrow where it comes off the shelf at full draw and add a little to compensate for broadheads, or is it determined another way when arrow tuning?

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Check out the tuning vid I did a little while back.

@et_cetera_ 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. What grit is the grinding wheel are you using?

@clayhayeshunter 2 жыл бұрын

120 I think

@DarxusC 4 жыл бұрын

MeatEater recommends 350 grain arrows for deer. Because lower weight = more speed = less time for the deer to jump. I have those same shafts, with much lighter heads, and I'm near certain your arrows are way way over that weight. So, what do you think about arrow weight for hunting deer? (That 350 grain recommendation is from page 23 of The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Vol. 1, Big Game.)

@clayhayeshunter 4 жыл бұрын

That’s for compounds. But even for compounds I’d prefer a heavier arrow. Watch my FOC video for an explanation.

@longbo2771 3 жыл бұрын

Utube Ranch Fairy,he shows why you want you want heavy arrows in your compound

@DarxusC 3 жыл бұрын

@@longbo2771 nobody here is looking for info on compounds.

@rockyjohns6607 5 жыл бұрын

Clay I hope you don't have open flame close to acetone.

@b.a.goodman5207 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. But may I suggest a volume warning just before you hit the sander?

@mesopotamia-iq 5 жыл бұрын

What about the spine of these shafs, which you make it a hunting arrows ...? Waiting your answer Think You so much

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

The spine will depend on several factors. Check out the tuning video for details.

@mesopotamia-iq 5 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter First : Thanks for your quick feedback. Second thing : I just want collect info about the ratio between the weight of broad head and the spine of the shaft , considering that the bow weight and Note that what is the side effects(results ) With the speed of arrow .! Any way Just for curious .! Have a nice time

@shanek6582 5 жыл бұрын

I shoot a 50 pound Osage self bow with 25.5" draw, what size carbon shafts do I need? The ones I bought a couple years ago are way too stiff I think, they shoot way left. I made another self bow thats more of a center shot for those particular carbon shafts but it's still not right. I'd like to get some carbons that shoot better than my cedar, thanks.

@customhaines2510 5 жыл бұрын

If your arrows are too stiff you can increase the weight of your heads or use weighted inserts as Clay mentions above. This will have the effect of reducing your dynamic spine. I had the same problem with some aluminum arrows that were sent by mistake. I went from a 125 gr field point to a 200 gr. They fly perfect.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Also, would think that some 500s left long and with heavier heads may work but it’s hard to say. With such a short draw you might need to go lighter.

@jcarry5214 3 жыл бұрын

I've got most of my stuff together to start assembling and tuning arrows for the first time but I'm confused about when to work on FOC. If I understand what I've watched on your channel then I essentially need to work on it at the same time because both tuning and FOC are impacted by tip weight. Is there a short-ish way to get to both, like starting heavy and just working back to the tuned point?

@clayhayeshunter 3 жыл бұрын

The easiest thing would be to give the folks at 3Rivers Archery a call and tell them what you’re looking to achieve with FOC. Then they can recommend a good starting point.

@jcarry5214 3 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter Good idea. For just getting rolling would you at all recommend tuning in, getting experience with that, and worrying about FOC on a later project?

@clayhayeshunter 3 жыл бұрын

FOC comes second to well tuned arrows.but if you want to pursue FOC you should tune for high FOC.

@jcarry5214 3 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter Cool man, thanks. I appreciate all your hard work. I've been a bow shooter off and on my whole life and I never knew the depth of what I was missing til I got watching your stuff when I decided to get a batch of arrows a couple weeks back. I've got a tiny old Browning recurve that I knew was built sweetly but never shot great. Now I know why and I'm considering using it for hunting something here in Utah. Thanks again.

@sacredtoad2117 Жыл бұрын

Which broadheads are those?

@CliffBailey53 Жыл бұрын

What bow model and maker is that?

@Makete100 5 жыл бұрын

Why not put inserts in while screwed on to your broadhead. That way you could line them up first time. Is there a reason?

@ctandsonsoutdoors7180 5 жыл бұрын

Melvin Dunn When I get new shafts I shoot them all first before putting a broadhead on any of them. Sometimes you'll get one that doesn't group with the others and you dont want that one in the woods.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

You could do that and I do at times. But due to the safety issue with pressing on a sharp head I didn’t want to present it in the video.

@JonZahler 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe screw the broad head into the insert before you glue it. You can line up arrowhead and mark the shaft. That would save you from having to heat it back up a second time. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@trevorwire7482 3 жыл бұрын

I was also wondering why we don't just line it up first and then glue. Thanks for the video.

@markchambers1604 5 жыл бұрын

what broadheads are you using Clay ?

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

These are warewolf heads. 200 grain.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

These are warewolf heads. 200 grain.

@tradbowhunter53 5 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter good choice clay! I worked for the owner(blake) for about 3 years, glad to see his products are getting popularity!

@shawndeer3604 5 жыл бұрын

How much would you charge to mack bow

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

I don’t sell bows. I teach people how to build their own if that interests you.

@davidsnelgrove6451 5 жыл бұрын

Can I send you some river cane arrows that I make

@Svarttorden 5 жыл бұрын

Sir..what the differnt of fiber arrow and carbon arrow..?

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

If you’re referring to fiberglass arrows, they’re solid and very heavy. Carbon arrows are hollow and much lighter.

@Svarttorden 5 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter do you have whats app number sir..? I want discussion with you...

@Svarttorden 5 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter thanks

@vemzy 5 жыл бұрын

Why am I learning how to make arrows? I don't even have a bow, and I have finals tomorrow.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

Because you have finals tomorrow...

@jamalmnoor79 5 жыл бұрын

Same here

@larryreese6146 5 жыл бұрын

Glad you still use the wood shafts more than the carbon. They make excellent arrows. But shooting carbon arrows is like shooting a manufactured fiberglass bow. The fun in what you do is in your homemade tackle of natural materials. I always missed or passed up more shots than I took at game. The reason to choose the tackle you use is in the experience and learning. The closer you get to game the more you learn, the more you appreciate. Traditional hunters know more about what they do when they take an animals life. They have a greater appreciation for the sacrifice of the animal to put meat on the table. Primitive man, I believe, did not view animals as modern man does. Animals were others, equal to, sometimes superior to man. Only when a person takes up primitive tackle can he get close to what was and is natural. A fellow shooting an animal at 300 yards doesn't even know what he has killed, the damage he has done. He shoots it with a superior weapon, takes it to the butcher shop, then goes home to watch the ball game. Not against that, but I think every hunter should experience having to meet game one on one, and with nothing but a primitive weapon in their hands. And the knowledge of that animal to get the job done. They'd get a greater understanding and a greater appreciation, not only of their sport, but of life, death, and survival. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep learning. Keep appreciating.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with that.

@MrHighvolt 5 жыл бұрын

A belt sander and Carbon arrows... Not a great idea unless using a proper facemask to filter out the carbon particles.

@josuaa.3589 4 жыл бұрын

Not really, anything biger than even just a few micrometers is gonna be coughed out, its not gonna be very pleasent but also not dangerous

@mattsovil9432 3 жыл бұрын

I was going to say that. Carbon fiber is very very bad for you

@mattsovil9432 3 жыл бұрын

@@josuaa.3589 there's a reason why companies try to make respirators that filter out super tiny particulates.

@abseil76 3 жыл бұрын

@@mattsovil9432 Yes, it's called money.

@robsarchery9679 4 жыл бұрын

Is 11% ok?

@clayhayeshunter 4 жыл бұрын

sure,I just like a little more.

@sevensfist_com 2 жыл бұрын

Why not just initially have broadhead screwed in when gluing in insert and mark where it needs to sit with marker instead of reheating again!?!

@ElizaberthUndEugen 5 жыл бұрын

I find using hot water rather than a torch works very well. I put the inserts in boiling water, take them out after a few moments and apply hot melt with a glue gun. Less risk -- if any -- of damaging tha carbon. But why do the broadheads need to be aligned all the same? Radial symmetry should make that irrelevant, I would have thought.

@clayhayeshunter 5 жыл бұрын

For me it’s mostly an aiming thing. I use the tip of the arrow like a sight when gap shooting.

@ElizaberthUndEugen 5 жыл бұрын

@@clayhayeshunter Oh I see. Sounded like you did that for inate precision reasons.

@smitty1hunter 5 жыл бұрын

@@ElizaberthUndEugen I was about to ask the same thing, glad you did. Many archers used to lign up fletchings to broadheads and I thought it had been disproven. I'll try the hot water too, thanks.

@rorynelson7548 Жыл бұрын

I hate them arrows because it's a nightmare if you fletch your own arrows . That wood looking wrap they put on them arrows is very easy to knick and scrape off as well as the glue