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Carbon Dating Egypt's Oldest Pyramids

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History for GRANITE

History for GRANITE

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The idea of dating the pyramids using the C14 radiocarbon test goes always the way back to the invention of this science. Two broad studies of Old Kingdom pyramids using carbon testing have taken place, but they are incomplete.
There is enormous opportunity to date the pyramids more precisely by combining C14 testing and dendrochronology, the science of analyzing tree rings. But Egyptology doesn't show much interest in this science, and it only ever conducted carbon testing on pyramids due to outside pressure.
This video explores the knowns and unknowns of dating Egypt's pyramids, and the controversies and conflicts of interest for putting the physical science into the public messaging.
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Thanks as always to the Isida Project for use of their imagery: isida-project.ucoz.com/
Academic papers on carbon dating pyramids:
Felix Hoflmayer, 2016
academic.oup.com/edited-volum...
Michael Dee, 2013
www.academia.edu/31488085/An_...
Georges Bonani, 2001
www.academia.edu/3428321/Radi...
Soundbite References:
Mark Lehner, Highland City Club, 2015
• Egyptology: The Giza P...
Mark Lehner, Minot State University, 2019
• Mark Lehner, Archaeolo...
Zahi Hawass, 2016
• Zahi Hawass on Ancient...
0:00 Intro
2:03 Invention of radiocarbon dating
3:31 Limitations of carbon dating
4:48 Edgar Cayce funds testing
6:34 David Koch funds testing
9:01 Alternative archaeology tourism
10:23 Carbon dating results
13:09 Dendrochronology testing
14:50 Dixon cedar rod in the Great Pyramid
16:16 Public opinion drives science

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@pyotrberia9741
@pyotrberia9741 Жыл бұрын
"The conflict of alternative versus academic Egyptology is maintained because it is profitable." This was eye opening.
@jellyrollthunder3625
@jellyrollthunder3625 Жыл бұрын
you know what would be even MORE profitable for Egyptologists and Egypt as a whole? If they actually DID find out that Egypt was 10,000 years old. Why would they suppress that if there was actually compelling enough evidence to justify them taking such a huge leap backward in the timeline from what all the other evidence is indicating? Why would they hide something like that It would bring insane amounts of tourism to the Giza plateau and that will not only swell the Egyptian economy but also make sure any group or business connected to Egyptian tourism would be booming! Why on earth wouldn't they want that if there was anything approaching the sort of strong evidence they would need to even float that idea as a possibility. I mean there is no evidence for any sort significant pyramid-building civilizations in Egypt being found within the archaeological strata corresponding to 10,000 years ago it only gets more primitive the deeper archaeologists dig into the layers prior to the dynastic egyptians. The deeper they dig more more hunter-gatherer sites they find mixed in with increasingly more primitive proto-villages made of largely of farmers. Who could have built the pyramids prior to the Egyptians without leaving a trace? The evidence seems to suggest that would be more unlikely than not. It's hard to explain an advanced civilization which left behind absolutely none of the sort of artifacts you'd expect to see from any settled group of people, nevermind one that is advanced enough to build the great pyramid.
@taylorgall9516
@taylorgall9516 Жыл бұрын
That was an eye-opening statement for me too, I recently visited egypt alone and it funny walking by crowds of well-educated westerners listening to some hippie tell them about how it was all made with Antigravity technology and Magic. Then to learn most people at my hotel were there to absorb its tesla energy feild....like I didn't even know what to say I just said "oh cool". Now I'm starting to understand its a business...crazy
@bridgermauchley6179
@bridgermauchley6179 Жыл бұрын
@@jellyrollthunder3625 40,000 vases of Djoser buried under his step-pyramid, which he could have easily inherited when Narmer united Upper Egypt with Lower Egypt. The sophistication of these artifacts is superior to nearly every vase/urn found 5th dynasty onwards and the leap above the primitive 1st and 2nd dynasty pottery is completely massive. So let's get this straight. The dynastic Egyptians seem to have woken up during Djoser reign with godlike stonework skills. Then 200 years later they forgot how to make perfectly symmetrical vases out of some of the hardest stones on the planet, and went back to only less precise clay and alabaster vases. Hmmm..🤔 it's almost like all those artifacts from the lost civilization are right in front of out eyes but we have given credit to the wrong people.
@nomadscavenger
@nomadscavenger Жыл бұрын
@@jellyrollthunder3625 Totally agree. What if it was the home of Noah, or even 35,000 yrs old as their ancient myths speak of? It's likely anything found that was advanced tech wouldn't be understandable, useful to any primitive society, Greece, Rome, etc., no matter how far advanced they were compared to the rest of their contemporary world. It seems possible to me that the later pharaohs discovered things and tossed them in the trash, its also possible that the adventurists/pseudo archeologist did the same. Some of the stuff in the Cairo/Alexandria museums are very strange and unexplainable now. Even ancient historians write about the Egyptians knowing more about the*s than anyone else. It's possible that the priests did have secret tech of some kind (telescope/ magnifying glass) and wouldn't reveal it. Also, the pyramids at Giza could have been in mastaba/ziggurat form 11,000+ yrs ago and prettied up by much later kings/pharaohs? Or if they were built as is and as machines, no one would have a clue about that because, as much as the current, bonafide archeologists Egyptologists insist otherwise, there isn't one reference in Egyptian heiroglyphs/papyrus/tombs about any of the three at Giza. If Zahi doesn't want the world to know the truth, I'm guessing it's because everything in that country likely would be considered the world's (until another country takes the cake) and not Egypt's, and the power the current Egyptians have over it, if any w/that discovery, very much diminished, because that Great Pyramid has kept a complicated grand function still a huge mystery.🤔🧐😳🤷🙋
@bridgermauchley6179
@bridgermauchley6179 Жыл бұрын
@@jellyrollthunder3625 yeah I've seen the video by myths vs scientists. I got a problem with their experiment though. I wish they had used a harder stone than Breccia Marble for the vase. Many of the artifacts found under the Step-pyramid are made of much more difficult materials. Let's see them make a paper thin vase out of schist or a granite vase which balances perfectly on its rounded bottom(the surface area on which it rests is .15 sq inch, and the entire vase is about 9 inches in diameter). The myth vs scientist guys took a fair amount of time to do thier experiment. Imagine how much time it would take if they tried the granite example I mentioned above. Now imagine how many man hours it would take to create all the thousands of artifacts from Djosers pyramid. Artifacts like those are plentiful, found at multiple sites and we date nearly all of them between the 2nd and 4th dynasty. For how many examples of these vases we have, fine stonework must have been an integral part of the lives for the majority of workforce in Egypt. Then the 5th dynasty rolls around and the Egyptian people have completely forgotten how to craft these fine stone objects never to remember again. Doesn't that seem damning, considering how intrinsic stonework was to the Egyptians, and how good of records they kept? It's not like they didn't try to create perfectly symmetrical granite vases later in Egyptian history, it's just that they simply weren't capable of doing so. Why? Oh and i just noticed that I have replied to multiple comments from you by mistake. I'd appreciate if you could take the time to read the reply I made to your other comment. I believe your comment was about alternative theorists like Hancock being a poison, among other points.
@quietquitter6103
@quietquitter6103 Жыл бұрын
Its almost impossible to take mainstream Egyptology seriously when they dogmatically refuse to accept rational, logical arguments pointing iut that there are holes in their theories. This was an excellent video, I appreciate your desire to be so accurate and unbiased.
@BRILLSTEELMOTORSPORT
@BRILLSTEELMOTORSPORT Жыл бұрын
before going against Egyptology, try to study there basics as far as you can. Then you'll understand why they are so slow in accepting alternative theories.
@crpth1
@crpth1 Жыл бұрын
What is impossible is to take serious the so called "alternative" dogmatic approaches. That first and foremost don't prove nothing. But make huge claims based purely on air and wind. If people gave themselves the trouble to STUDY, real world evidence. At least 90% of the so called amazing claims. Would vanish, on the spot, into thin air. Even this video is another example of whole lot of NOTHING. Although rather interesting ! Come on people, wake up. The notorious examples from the "Hancock & co." many times absurdly ridiculous claims. Can only sustain themselves on the ignorance of the listener. Even this ignorant me, literally a nobody amateur historian. Can debunk large swathes of their fairy tales and BS stories. Clearly knowing the rest can't be neither confirmed or denied, by the present level of evidence, if ever! But certainly that DETAIL would never stop them to carry on with outrageous claims. More so, it's almost funny seeing those same characters. When confronted with evidence, that absolutely prove them wrong. They don't correct or even apologize for the deliberate lies. They simply change the speech and pretend it never happened. "Scam & scum" methodology! Yep, I'll stick with the scientific method. LOL 😂😂
@NewtonDKC
@NewtonDKC Жыл бұрын
The quote regarding radiocarbon dates: that the Egyptologists would put results that confirmed what they already believed in the main text, of in a footnote for items that didn’t totally contradict their beliefs. But for dates way out? They’d just completely ignore them and leave them out. I think that pretty much confirms our worst fears, that Egyptologists refuse any data that contradict their dogmatic insistence on the dates of construction for the Giza Pyramids..
@perastotigautera1426
@perastotigautera1426 Жыл бұрын
@@BRILLSTEELMOTORSPORT it s not only egyptology!..it s also archeology, anthropology and also geology lately!..they re stuck in their academia hermeneutics and empirism!..thanks God there are still profesors-at least at german universities-who try to make hints towards interesting and unortodox directions!-zelotism is sadly deep rooted within human nature and its foreshadows vanity and egoism!
@Alvan81
@Alvan81 Жыл бұрын
What you just described is not confined to Egytpology. We have seen examples in many other fields. Including physics, military science, design, religion etc.
@nicholasoconnor1563
@nicholasoconnor1563 Жыл бұрын
I cannot convey how refreshing it is to hear a logical, well spoken approach to highlighting the discrepancies in a critical part of engineering history. Your work lays a beautiful framework for the context. I feel like this is critically needed in this time, well done in all aspects. Love your content!
@bigidiot123
@bigidiot123 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing that we've been studying these pyramids for centuries and there still remains so many mysteries surrounding them.
@kingjoe3rd
@kingjoe3rd Жыл бұрын
I guess when the gatekeeping "experts" have never even been inside some of the pyramids you still have a long way to go.
@astrialindah2773
@astrialindah2773 Жыл бұрын
​@@kingjoe3rd it's because these so-called egyptologists just keep muddying the waters.....
@petertraveller6421
@petertraveller6421 Жыл бұрын
Government don't even want the truth to come out.
@Jack_The_Ripper_Here
@Jack_The_Ripper_Here Жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest, we’ll never know. We’re too late . Those pyramids were robbed long time ago.
@gratefulkm
@gratefulkm 11 ай бұрын
@@Jack_The_Ripper_Here We know, its been passed down orally not physically, But we are taught by the Slavers long ago to ignore the oral tradition your cortex is repeating noises we made hundreds of thousands of years ago, understand ?
@carolinacremasta277
@carolinacremasta277 Жыл бұрын
Let's just agree that we cannot take this kind of quality content on u-tube for granite! Thank you.
@philipprice9633
@philipprice9633 Жыл бұрын
History for Granite: Great channel. Terrible pun.
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays Жыл бұрын
I support this use of puns. Very punny of you.
@HalfWarrior
@HalfWarrior Жыл бұрын
Puns or not;spelling and grammar mistakes are always annoying.
@PsychotropicThunder
@PsychotropicThunder Жыл бұрын
@@HalfWarrior YOU CANNOT CARBRON DATE THE PYRAMIDS!!!!! Why cant people understand that??? Just because there is some charcoal or bacteria found between stones doesnt mean the builders put it there! It could have arrived thousands of years later. Even if we find hieroglyphs stating “we built the pyramids for this reason at this time with this method,” we skill cannot trust that 100% because it is likely some later civilization taking credit for an earlier civilizations work
@jenniferhoene7214
@jenniferhoene7214 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Lol
@taifun442
@taifun442 Жыл бұрын
I would not ask Hawass or Lehner the time of day.
@Del_116
@Del_116 Жыл бұрын
Agree
@thelandofchem
@thelandofchem Жыл бұрын
Having been inside the Bent Pyramid on multiple occasions, the wood beams in the final chamber are not a part of the original structure. They are supports for the platform that was constructed during a later period. The stones composing the platform itself is also much smaller and different quality of masonry. This is a great video with transparency on both sides of the equation, and once again delivering real facts from the science. Chemical analyses of the staining material from inside of the Red Pyramid have been performed with some extremely interesting results.
@Emira_75
@Emira_75 Жыл бұрын
Why would you not elaborate on the red pyramid tests... The worst kind of comment, such a tease 😩. I haven't got time in my lunch break to research this so I will go on with my day, severely blue-balled.
@DirtyCiv
@DirtyCiv Жыл бұрын
​@Roman Pontian immediately call bs instead of doing a 30 second search? that's just lazy
@jonhamilton5789
@jonhamilton5789 Жыл бұрын
@Roman Pontian Seriously, a 2 minute search reveals that he’s legitimate. Put a little effort in.
@patriciasmart1682
@patriciasmart1682 Жыл бұрын
All of you so wack with your riddles. Nothing found about the age of staining in the red pyramid. Its built 2550 bc. proof me wrong or be the phony liars you look like right now
@daemon816
@daemon816 Жыл бұрын
@@Emira_75 The chemical analysis of reddish staining inside chambers of the Red Pyramid shows weird levels of metals which differ a lot from the core samples of the limestone the pyramid was built out of. This indicates major heating and pressure inside the chambers that caused the limestone to leak these chemicals.
@armaturetattoo5169
@armaturetattoo5169 9 ай бұрын
I am so happy to finally find a KZfaq channel on Egyptology that isn’t about aliens and magic. I was starting to think Bob Brier was the only credible source out there
@ciaacho1
@ciaacho1 Жыл бұрын
I stumbled upon your channel a few days ago and binged all of the videos. I've never been particularly interested in Ancient Egypt before, my knowledge of it was minimal and yet your videos got me completely hooked. You can imagine how happy I am to see a new upload just today! Wishing you the best!
@sandman8920
@sandman8920 Жыл бұрын
Great when that happens
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people find this channel from the Ancient Architects channel or from the recommended list KZfaq generates after watching some other channels which I won't mention. That's what happened for me anyway. And yes this is one of the best channels available on the pyramids in my channel. That's why I bought the merch and proudly wear it!
@Ziezoo
@Ziezoo Жыл бұрын
Lmao same here
@douginorlando6260
@douginorlando6260 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t binge watch the whole library all at once. It took me a few days to watch em all.
@jorgegonzalez-larramendi5491
@jorgegonzalez-larramendi5491 Жыл бұрын
you Rock: good karma! pls try *Praveen Mohan* •
@vlady8me
@vlady8me Жыл бұрын
It's utterly gross how Hawass has gotten away with being the Geraldo Rivera of Egyptology whilst Lehner plays Lou Dobbs
@jimreed6875
@jimreed6875 Жыл бұрын
I had heard theories about the pyramids being much older than the official history dictates and I did suspect that those theories might be true, but I had never heard anything about radio carbon dating having been used for determining their age. This was very enlightening. Thank you.
@gutsbiker
@gutsbiker Жыл бұрын
I've had the honor to know a couple of archaeologist and was surprised at how much resistance they received if they questioned the status quo. Great video!
@aidanm5578
@aidanm5578 Жыл бұрын
Status quo?
@gutsbiker
@gutsbiker Жыл бұрын
@@aidanm5578 A phrase I don't use much, and the spelling checker didn't catch it.
@johanwise9713
@johanwise9713 Жыл бұрын
It seems this is a basic Feature of all academics, even History of Granite tries to leave no doubts on his view. So there is no alternative to investigate the point of interest self so good as possible.
@FLPhotoCatcher
@FLPhotoCatcher Жыл бұрын
Indeed. And there is evidence that Egyptologists have their historical dates messed up. Watch "Patterns of Evidence" if you'd like to learn more.
@FLPhotoCatcher
@FLPhotoCatcher Жыл бұрын
@Roman Pontian How long was the video you watched? I suggest you watch it again because it *did* give evidence of messed up historical dates. There are other, more clear videos about it though.
@RegebroRepairs
@RegebroRepairs Жыл бұрын
You don't need to cut the logs at all. You core them, so you take out a plug a few mm in diameter. It's frankly astonishing that this hasn't been done.
@bluerendar2194
@bluerendar2194 9 ай бұрын
Thankfully at least, the risk of contamination is low because it's taken from the interior.
@robertfraser9551
@robertfraser9551 Жыл бұрын
One of the few sites where i wish the video was longer, much longer ! Excellent as always. I am under the impression that official chronology still has very large error bars and would have thought that modern dating techniques would be embraced - shocking to find otherwise
@edwardgarner1299
@edwardgarner1299 Жыл бұрын
Probably the most level-headed and informative video I've yet seen (and I've watched many) of the complex mysteries of dating the Egypt pyramids.
@timmeh87
@timmeh87 Жыл бұрын
I am not an expert in dendrochronology but I was led to believe you could perform it on a living tree using a coring tool to basically extract a "pencil" from the log, so the end does not have to be chopped off of any logs to do it, which normally kills the tree
@Spherical_El
@Spherical_El Жыл бұрын
I think this is literally your best video so far! If for nothing more than getting the information we all need. There's still a mystery, but you summed it up beautifully, well done my man. Time to make sure your note' bell is activated, if not already 👏
@ancientsitesgirl
@ancientsitesgirl Жыл бұрын
Bats rule inside! I love this pyramid, I'm going back there soon❤️🦇
@catman8965
@catman8965 Жыл бұрын
Hey there ASG. I was going to email this link to you to make sure you would see it, but you beat me to it. Kitty cats say MEOW to you. Stay warm, I remember how cold Germany got during army maneuvers. 🥶🏔️🌨️❄️🏂💰💓🦇
@spartanchip
@spartanchip Жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of the content on your channel, I guess I shouldn't be surprised your a follower of History for Granite ... both channels are very informative and are two of my favorites ... keep up the great work and safe journeys beautiful!
@skankhunt3624
@skankhunt3624 Жыл бұрын
I'd rather have questions that can't be answered, then answers that can't be questioned.
@joez.2794
@joez.2794 Жыл бұрын
Nice. Very nice. I'm stealing it.
@skankhunt3624
@skankhunt3624 Жыл бұрын
@@joez.2794 that's the American way.
@19freddie58
@19freddie58 3 ай бұрын
@@skankhunt3624 thats Richard Feynman
@HJH413
@HJH413 Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel, now I'm binge watching it. I liked it, subscribed it and commented it. Keep up the great work. Can't wait to see more.
@michaelhudson3445
@michaelhudson3445 Жыл бұрын
I cannot begin to convey how important I believe your work is for all people of earth past and present. I have the utmost respect for you sir, your videos are very concise and exceptionally produced. Thank you for what you do for the community on KZfaq, it means a lot!
@JMM33RanMA
@JMM33RanMA Жыл бұрын
It has been known for some time that the various ancient king lists are problematic. That the Egyptian one is considered almost perfect ignores a number of glaring failures. Hatshepsut and Akhenaten had been erased, and there are questions about the succession after Akhenaten. There is even speculation that King Tut's tomb and grave goods had belonged to someone else. There are known problems with the dating during certain periods between dynasties. In other words, the Egyptians, like other civilizations engaged in mythologizing their rulers, using propaganda [see the differences in Egyptian and Hittite records, esp. the battle of Kadesh]. Therefore, a couple of hundred years missing from an official record of thousands seems like a rounding error.
@mnomadvfx
@mnomadvfx Жыл бұрын
"There is even speculation that King Tut's tomb and grave goods had belonged to someone else" More than that. There's good reason to think that Tutankhamun's aunts or sisters reigned as regents after Akhenaten's death prior to Tut's ascension. Possibly even reason to believe that the Akhenaten's famous likeness is actually that of one of these sisters or daughters who reigned as Tut's regent after him.
@XLA-zg1nn
@XLA-zg1nn Жыл бұрын
Amen
@JMM33RanMA
@JMM33RanMA Жыл бұрын
@CAZ32TT Amazing that you have deciphered and read 30,000 tablets. Keep up the good work as you have tens of thousands more to do!
@kennethferland5579
@kennethferland5579 Жыл бұрын
Yea infac it looks like more of a dove-tailing issue of the pharonic cronology with post egyptian history, in other words the cronology has the correct time between all it's pharohs but the whole thing is displaced a few hundred years. That's hardly even an error as it's kind of beyond the scope of what the cronology is doing, the offset may be due to non-egyptian history or the the colapses between the old, middle and new periods.
@JMM33RanMA
@JMM33RanMA Жыл бұрын
@@v4skunk739 If you ignore history, science and so on you can believe anything you want, including that they were built by giants, Atlanteans, or space aliens. I'll stick with science, thanks.
@maxhunter3574
@maxhunter3574 Жыл бұрын
While carbon dating can yield important clues, you never know if the material, like the wood beams, were added much later as part of a restoration.
@DrBernon
@DrBernon Жыл бұрын
That is still important to know in my opinion. It tells you that the pyramid was being maintained, and allows you to understand better it's purpose.
@laszlofabry9429
@laszlofabry9429 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos, very unique channel i was looking for it for so long. Keep up the good work!
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Жыл бұрын
As a Dane we have wood dating back 25000 years or more, from the lines in the wood, to be dated directly! We have moors without any oxygen, and some human bodies from those also, some being extremely well preserved (The "Tollund Man" being the most well preserved ancient body ever found!). So with adding wood-lines from those, we are able to even see from where the wood was originally cut. One of the famous Danish Viking Ships was found out to have been built in Ireland, by vikings, so at one time a precise copy was sailed round England to Ireland to meet its birthplace! But wood from a dessert is more difficult to find the year it was cut.
@julianpetkov8320
@julianpetkov8320 Жыл бұрын
The first pictures of the pyramids date from after the Greek Napoleonas and his French army built them. This fraud gave the Greek bible some "credibility", as "Great Egypt" was nothing but a myth which people like Thales of Miletus had invented, to claim racial superiority of the original Greeks from Asia Minor (who allegedly originated from mysterious Utopia called Egypt). The Greek Freemason lodges in France and England rushed to manufacture various "Egyptian" artefacts including mummies of dead Frenchmen.
@pyotrberia9741
@pyotrberia9741 Жыл бұрын
Timber was imported from places like modern-day Lebanon. Using tree rings for dating is difficult when you don't have a lot of samples and when they might have been sourced from different places.
@MasterBojangles
@MasterBojangles Жыл бұрын
Think you added an extra 0 there, says he was around 500bc
@GodSpeedMcKee1717
@GodSpeedMcKee1717 Жыл бұрын
Finn Carl Bomholt Sørensen That's amazing, considering the earth is only 6000 years old.
@builtnotboughtmadeinphilip3955
@builtnotboughtmadeinphilip3955 Жыл бұрын
​@Jim Wills How do you come up with that Jim. KZfaq has taught me thats the number if approx since the World Wide Deluge. And I think theres been multiple extinction events since before that. The book of Kings gives far better history than science does and the Kings were around about 25,000 years each
@christopherpardell4418
@christopherpardell4418 Жыл бұрын
Given the scarcity of timber in Egypt, I would expect a wide range of carbon dates from any wood samples simply because they were pretty stingy about re-using wood. It would not surprise me to find that two logs in the same pyramid had ages 100-200 years apart. It would simply mean the older log had been reclaimed from some other source, like a demolished home, or was some form a construction scaffolding in use for centuries before it became a permanent fixture.
@mooglemy3813
@mooglemy3813 Жыл бұрын
WTF. The Roman's destroyed their own forests and those of cedar trees in present day Lebanon. Brits did same thing and used North America as their lumber yard for their navy mainly. So if anything remains it's buried in the sands if time or biodegraded by now. We aren't much better at forest or jungle management. Look at the Amazon, 50 % remaining in my life time.
@rwbthethird
@rwbthethird Жыл бұрын
@bina nocht kind of, its based on the ratio of isotopes of Carbon- while living you keep replacing/adding new carbon so it says a a roughly set ration while alive. then once dead one isotope breaks down at a set rate that allows us to go, whats the carbon ratio- k, its roughly X centuries old give or take- but there are probably some visual cues like rings to let us estimate how old the tree may have been when cut
@ashscott6068
@ashscott6068 Жыл бұрын
@bina nocht A cedar tree will be at least 500 years old before it's ready to be cut for lumber. And the middle rings are dead. The only living part of a tree, it the layer just under the bark. So depending on which part of the lumber you're testing, and which part of the tree it's from, the margin for error is huge. And dendrochronology isn't much help when you don't know the exact origin of the timber, it's all dried and split to Hell, and you don't have enough samples from the (unknown) origin, for comparison. Tests on more fragile organic matter, trapped in the mortar, are way, WAY more accurate. Unfortunately, they don't support the lunatics LARP fantasy of pyramids being older
@astrialindah2773
@astrialindah2773 Жыл бұрын
Well that's a really great point!
@scottbreseke716
@scottbreseke716 Жыл бұрын
Water ersosion on the Sphinx indicates periods of heavy rainfall in the past. A lot more trees would have been around then.
@aga5897
@aga5897 Жыл бұрын
A part of the "Pyramid Age" problem is that it always assumed that they were built and Never modified or maintained. Zahi did his job - it just wasn't the job that foreign interests wanted. Worked out great.
@adriangstern
@adriangstern Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this pragmatic video. I really had no idea carbon dating had ever been tried and have always felt uncomfortable about the claims of old, lost civilisations that have left no record of their supposed advanced technology. This spoils these claims for good.
@peterdore2572
@peterdore2572 Жыл бұрын
OMG! I was soo looking forward to History for Granite 2023 video!!! Such top quality videos its always worth the wait! Keep up the Amazing work! Thank you veryyy much! :D
@Sylus_Domanni
@Sylus_Domanni Жыл бұрын
I’ve been binging your videos all day, and then fate has you post another one to fulfill my binging needs. Thank you!
@mattjohansson8931
@mattjohansson8931 Жыл бұрын
As usual, well presented, and researched. Thanks mate, keep them coming 👍
@tolkienfan1972
@tolkienfan1972 6 ай бұрын
I enjoy your commitment to evidence based inquiry.
@afonsoserro6834
@afonsoserro6834 Жыл бұрын
thank you for this channel, I dont particularly like ancient egypt but I love ancient architecture and these videos have been mind blowing. Ive seen all of them, keep posting.
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays Жыл бұрын
You do such a good job connecting all the dots in these videos. The way you found the clip of the guy saying it's his first time in the bent pyramid was genius. I have to assume your individual knowledge of the subject is the source of this insight because an average researcher just wouldn't be able to make all those connections without a more complete knowledge of the underlying facts and situational awareness of the actions taken at these sites over time. Anyway its just really really impressive. These videos blow me away. I'm here for it!
@mikkelbreiler8916
@mikkelbreiler8916 Жыл бұрын
I don't know how KZfaqrs make their videos, but some times I do sit here in my kitchen looking at a video and think wow I would not have found this even if I had ÜberGoogleSkills(tm). Yet all I had to do was click on another one of the videos from this channel. Which is still some what magical to my brain.
@RomoRooster
@RomoRooster Жыл бұрын
I'm in the 12,000 year old club myself, but I think you have some of the best content available on this subject
@scottwyckoff5483
@scottwyckoff5483 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@markuss.6020
@markuss.6020 Жыл бұрын
It's much more interesting to note, that from those photos you clearly see, that the beams are stuck in the walls. That walls were obviously is made of concrete. Concrete is something ancient egyptians already knew.
@dav3109an
@dav3109an Жыл бұрын
Great video! I was always sceptical about how they dated the pyramids, thanks for making such a concise video on it
@seize2581
@seize2581 Жыл бұрын
Ahah you're so good ! That message at the end, challenging both the people wanting to put to question institutional Egyptology, and institutional Egyptology itself 😄 I hope this channel and the community you're building around it will one day have enough influence so that your work truely pays up in this way ! 🙂
@RichardGoth
@RichardGoth Жыл бұрын
Thankyou for such a sensible and balanced channel! I have been watching the videos one by one and learning a lot. So much online debate degenerates into conspiracist or ant-academic rhetoric but yours is always well referenced and nuanced.
@josephverri618
@josephverri618 Жыл бұрын
Degree of difficulty cutting granite blocks and forming accurate tunnels is mind boggling enough. What engineering process would accurately keep track of the concavity of the great pyramid sides when the concavity is practically invisible?
@PRH123
@PRH123 Ай бұрын
A length of string or rope stretched tight would do the job Of course you’re assuming that the concavity was designed intentionally, rather than a result of processes such as settling or weathering, or unintentionally resulting from methods of construction
@nv1493
@nv1493 Жыл бұрын
The effort and time you put into these videos is appreciated! Results in a very rational and objective approach.
@baysideauto
@baysideauto Жыл бұрын
I haven't clicked so fast when I got this. Thanks for the upload
@densealloy
@densealloy Жыл бұрын
I am a casual ancient Egypt fan of a sort and love your videos, skepticism and logical scientific approach. On the other hand I also find some aspects of videos by Ben at UnchartedX to pose some excellent questions and both of you seem to be asking for the same thing. A serious modern examination with hard proven scientific techniques to attempt to narrow down history and provide much more solid answers. While I find some of Ben's hypotheses entertaining and logical, I don't find them truly compelling. I think there are quite simple answers to a lot of the questions he poses on his channel. (Although there are a few examples he has cited which have me stumped.. seriously entertaining content) That being said I would like to see a greater examination of the techniques used to create these works using modern testing, scanning, imaging etc combined with practical examples of the techniques used as I think it would show the unbelievable amount of time and dedication it took to create these works and allow for deeper level of appreciation to our ancestors. "They didn't know it was impossible so they did it" Mark Twain.
@cypher8855
@cypher8855 Жыл бұрын
Always awesome to see a new video. Keep making them bro
@brotherlynch6977
@brotherlynch6977 Жыл бұрын
I have enjoyed your videos, investigations, theories, and documentation. I appreciate the information without the sensationalism other channels resort to. Thank you and keep up the good work! 😁👍🔥❤️
@brotherlynch6977
@brotherlynch6977 Жыл бұрын
@tysongirard2266 Rock hard evidence without the sedimentary drivel. They are diamond compared to Mohs other channels. 😬
@ChristianJiang
@ChristianJiang Жыл бұрын
I started watching your videos as I was preparing for a trip to Egypt. I binge watched all your videos and it felt surreal seeing the pyramids up close. I entered Khufu’s pyramid, the Bent one and the Red one. It was so exciting to identify all the bits and pieces you talked about in your video.
@JohnSmith-gb5vg
@JohnSmith-gb5vg Жыл бұрын
That’s cool that you used his videos to correlate with the actual. Hope your visit was fun and exciting 😊
@ChristianJiang
@ChristianJiang Жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-gb5vg It was great!! Although it was colder than expected in Egypt. Seeing the pieces of wood in the Bent Pyramid was really mind-blowing!
@whlewis9164
@whlewis9164 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Loving the quality of content on this channel!
@smegscreations
@smegscreations Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. Extremely enlightening..... keep up the good work 👍
@Gizathecat2
@Gizathecat2 Жыл бұрын
Here’s a thought regarding the age of the pyramids in relation to the wood product used for building them. Up until about seven thousand years ago the Sahara Desert was very green. Perhaps the trees used for the beams were from the forests when the Sahara was green?
@nomadscavenger
@nomadscavenger Жыл бұрын
Its a good point. I was under the impression that the interior of all 3 pyramids at Giza didn't have mortar anywhere. That mortar was used in the exterior laying of the limestone casing stones/repairs? Its always been a point how exactly so many if those huge blocks fit together so precisely and w/o mortar? If they were repaired over the eons, how could anyone tell, radio carbon dating/hieroglyphics not withstanding? If the 3/4 dyn. appropriated them, fixing deteriorated areas would be fixed w/mortar, no? Such a great platform, best coverage, but?s always result. Much better than mine. Thanks for your comment.👍🤗
@mnomadvfx
@mnomadvfx Жыл бұрын
People keep bringing this up but mostly because they don't realise that by the time the first unified dynasty was founded by Narmer the lower kingdom of Egypt on the Nile delta was already a significant trading hub of the Mediterranean coast. That includes cedar wood lumber imported from Lebanon up the eastern coast. The trade of that cedar wood was so significant in antiquity that it deforested most of Lebanon before even the ancient Roman's made settlements there at Baalbek and built the Temple of Jupiter + the huge retaining wall that prevents subsidence on that hill.
@mnomadvfx
@mnomadvfx Жыл бұрын
@@nomadscavenger "That mortar was used in the exterior laying of the limestone casing stones/repairs?" No, its use is extensive. Much of the Khufu pyramid masonry is actually roughly cut limestone blocks behind the casing and outermost course of blocks. The mortar was necessary to in fill the roughness so that it both binded well and remained relatively level.
@charlesblithfield6182
@charlesblithfield6182 Жыл бұрын
Your vid’s are one of the few I click on immediately I see them. Excellent work all around.
@chadhagans6687
@chadhagans6687 Жыл бұрын
You have a new subscriber here. It’s incredibly refreshing to hear someone from the “traditional” Egyptology side, not try to “getcha” or have venom towards those who believe in an antediluvian civilization. If only more civil leadership could do the same. Thank you. I look forward to seeing your next video.
@adriankolsters
@adriankolsters Жыл бұрын
Good work happening on this channel! These monuments are of the greatest importance in understanding our history, and should not be subjected to consideratins related to tourism and rich people's hobbies, although I know the situation in Egypt asks for approaches like that. I have been inside the Great Pyramid in 1997 and I can only say it was the most breath-taking experience in my life so far, even though I have travelled to many parts of the world. The way the pyramid presents itself to you when you walk towards it is nothing less than overwhelming. That perfect shape, especially when compared to neighbour Chefren with a just slightly different incline, is just magical.
@crakkbone
@crakkbone Жыл бұрын
Love the channel! Keep up the good work :)
@daleamcallister284
@daleamcallister284 Жыл бұрын
I traveled throughout Egypt several times in 1970's. No-one other than myself and companion were the only people on Giza Plaza during March 1975. I laid down inside Khufu's sarcophagus, and not being an archeologist or Egyptologist just by observing the stones believed the structures to be more than 10k years old. Later in life I came to think that when Egyptians according to their writings built the limestones encasing them by their time damaged by various elements like rain, sand, wind, and the Sun as a means of refurbishing, or protecting them further. The time it would take workers to encase the pyramids in limestone blocks seems to me would be more in line of what, so called experts say Egyptians built The Great Pyramid in 20-30 years? I'd like to hear what you have to say about my observation and thinking? Thank you, so very much for the work you do.
@Bkkriversidelifestyle
@Bkkriversidelifestyle 9 ай бұрын
The corruption of Money not only rots the political & medical fields but also all scientific domains. Look at the special permissions granted to all these groups of expensive private tours coming to sleep inside the Great Pyramid or access the Osiris shaft, etc etc, they can only take place because the Ministry of Antiquities charges fortunes to the organizers. Where does all this money go? When visiting all these magnificent monuments you just see the amount of garbage and plastic that covers them, not a single trash basket can be found and the poor staff without uniforms look like beggars. It's a complete shame!! Anyway thanks for these amazing and professional videos, making us understand and discover more about what "sleeping Egyptology" does.
@davidhetfield6
@davidhetfield6 Жыл бұрын
Your star shines bright mate. Incredible quality video again! Props
@clintonmorris8222
@clintonmorris8222 Жыл бұрын
Remodeling and/or maintenance work could skew dating altogether. It's well known that some Pharaoh's rebuilt some monuments. They also cannibalized others for materials. So what we can say for sure is contamination of carbon samples is to be expected. The fact that more modern testing has not been carried out is definitely causing more problems then It's supposed to be helping. Your video is food for thought. Thank you.
@conniebenny
@conniebenny Жыл бұрын
Another brilliant and fascinating video. Thank you for your continued hard work and dedication in making these. They really are appreciated.
@dystopiaahoy
@dystopiaahoy Жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the designs that would work best for a pyramid to last millennia. How could they have improved. Also information about the tunnel networks below ground would be greatly appreciated.
@Nkoloil
@Nkoloil Жыл бұрын
In 2020 I took part in a grand survey of Egypt's ancient sites. It included a survey of the Bent Pyramid. Samples from the wooden beams of the upoer chamber were taken and stored. They have yet to be trested by radio carbon dating.
@sunnybeach9145
@sunnybeach9145 Жыл бұрын
I like the style of your videos. Could you do some “basic” videos on the quarries/sources for the stones?
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays Жыл бұрын
I would like to see that too.
@fatarsemonkey
@fatarsemonkey Жыл бұрын
Having worked with stone myself on a rather small scale compared to the pyramids, I too would like to see more about the quarries, I would like to see a map showing the locations they come from as well if at all possible. A quarry can be used somewhat as a clock if different structures used the same quarry, last stones out newest building so to speak.
@annapierce8666
@annapierce8666 Жыл бұрын
*Luminescence* dating would be useful on the stone, letting us know the last time said stone was exposed to the ☀ sun. Then at least we would have a more accurate date than the carbon dating method, which takes organic matter that could be a later addition to the pyramid 🏔 due to renovations and add-ons. We could be relatively sure the stoneworked quarried blocks would be part of the original 🏔 pyramid construction allowing for a more precise dating of the time-line ⏳️
@bridgermauchley6179
@bridgermauchley6179 Жыл бұрын
@@annapierce8666 Does luminescence allow us to determine when the stone was quarried or only when the surface of the stone was exposed to the sun? For example, if Rameses II liberated, then recarved/refinished granite blocks which he procured from the Menkaure pyramid, then would the luminescence testing of those granite blocks date to Rameses II or Menkaure?
@annapierce8666
@annapierce8666 Жыл бұрын
@@bridgermauchley6179 Luminescence only gives scientists the last time the stone was exposed to sunlight ☀
@Senkino5o
@Senkino5o Жыл бұрын
For me Egyptian history was something I took little interest in before viewing your channel; but the passionate yet careful, reasoned and thorough way you examine your subjects really got me hooked, I've learned a lot and I love your work.
@yeet8490
@yeet8490 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel so much, its just like a professional documentary but there is heaps of it, makes my imagination spark, thankyou very much
@Tom_Quixote
@Tom_Quixote 5 ай бұрын
That piece of ancient wood is the most amazing thing I've seen on the History for Grannies channel. I had no idea such evidence still survived.
@rolsen1304
@rolsen1304 Жыл бұрын
This Koch connection to Egyptology was very interesting, thank you for the rabbit hole!
@charlesjmouse
@charlesjmouse Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another genuinely excellent video on this fascinating subject. Admittedly I'm speaking as an interested amateur, far from an expert. It's frustrating how certain Egyptologists seem to have more interest in perusing the furtherance of their 'little kingdoms' than furthering knowledge of the old kingdom. Thank you for sharing your pursuit of answers, both where they are known to be absent and where dogma has perhaps replaced the scientific method.
@johngosnell3847
@johngosnell3847 Жыл бұрын
This is a good channel. I’d like to see you do a video on the granite pots which the UnchartedX channel has been covering.
@glennkoenig6078
@glennkoenig6078 Жыл бұрын
My second video in as I am new to the channel, where I am so impressed by the direction you are taking. There has been so much garbage thrown in the path of science that it is refreshing to hear the call for a renewed push to understand these mysteries.
@harrywalker968
@harrywalker968 Жыл бұрын
scientists tow the line,,with mainstream dogma,,so they get paid....its easy work..
@hobosrev
@hobosrev Жыл бұрын
An ancient egypt youtuber not mentioning anti-gravity, giant batteries, secret high technology, or aliens? So rare!
@danstephensen9032
@danstephensen9032 Жыл бұрын
I hear ya Bro 😎
@JohnFlower-NZ
@JohnFlower-NZ Жыл бұрын
And small metal discs with peoples' faces on. Ouuuuuu! What could they be?
@sideridely
@sideridely Жыл бұрын
​@@JohnFlower-NZfook knows. We can all speculate though.
@briandenley
@briandenley Жыл бұрын
They neglect to mention that the wood probably came from Lebanon, not Egypt and that could account for some of the difference. In general, the carbon dating is consistent with Egyptologist’s dates.
@orchunter8388
@orchunter8388 Жыл бұрын
Right and saying they are sooooo old the egyptians inherited them.
@MURD3RWAVE
@MURD3RWAVE Жыл бұрын
Another thing I don't hear discussed. So they found salt crystals piles inside the pyramid because a natural process with limestone. So why was there no salt crystals in the shafts? Like there should have been salt crystals when the sent in the robot the first time. Especially since nothing could go through it except the robot. I read a few things when explorers said there was salt everywhere when they went in. You can actually see pictures of piles of salt crystals. Limestone does produce salt crystals with age. The shafts had zero. None. Did anyone see anything about this?
@knutblume907
@knutblume907 Жыл бұрын
Nobody walked up and down the shafts. Human sweat is salty as f***.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 Жыл бұрын
The Queens Chamber is reported to have had a VERY thick coating of large crystal salt when first discovered....and it's lined with granite....so where did this massive amount of salt come from? And is it possible that the carbon dating can be skewed by radiation? Theories about a mass coronal ejection abound and lots of the ancient structures and statues in Egypt have a side that for sure looks like it was cooked by extreme heat with even melting in some places. The Muon Scan Project seems to indicate that radiation CAN penetrate through the pyramids....could something like this change the accuracy of the carbon dating? I don't know enough about it...but the whole subject provides endless fascination and I'm eager to see what comes next.
@knutblume907
@knutblume907 Жыл бұрын
@@recoilrob324 Or the "salt coating" is just another lie. The pyramids were open for millenia. Who dicovered the queens chamber? Everything was broken up, when western civilisations arrived at the scene. The arabs tell a lot of fairy tails. All salt crusts were removed because they were classified as dirt I assume. Like the graffittis and torch soot.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 Жыл бұрын
@@knutblume907 We'll never know for sure, but Caliph Al Ma'mun who is credited with being the first to gain entrance to the upper chambers wrote pretty extensively about the work and what he documented has turned out to be accurate. The 'robbers tunnel' most likely was actually dug from inside out...and the obvious reason would be to remove something from inside that wouldn't fit through the small winding passage that had given them access. Thoughts are that it was the lid to the sarcophagus which he took as a souvenir. I believe it was he that first described the salt coating and this was repeated by others over the centuries before modern times...so I'm wanting to believe it.
@knutblume907
@knutblume907 Жыл бұрын
@@recoilrob324 Interesting. I think the kings chamber was breached in the 1st intermediate period because everything went to hell. But I only know Al Ma´muns experiences from secondary literature. Besides all of this there are drawn pictures of the 17th century showing visitors entering the great gallery through the well shaft. It seems the robbers entrance was forgotten from time to time. P.S.: The picture I mean is actually from the Description de l'Égypte (1809) the famous collection of texts and pictures that came about as a result of Napoleon Bonaparte's Egyptian expedition.
@lonl123
@lonl123 10 ай бұрын
My specialty is Anasazi Archaeology, and dendrochronology is incredibly important to archaeology here in the southwest, using tree ring data, we have been able to date things very, very accurately. My question is, do they have tree ring data that goes back that far in Egypt?... Only dealing with around 1,000 years of history in the states so we have very reliable tree ring data. If they do have accurate data in Egypt, they can tell exactly what year a tree was cut down (And then its assumed that tree would then be used in construction within a few months of being cut down). If they have data going back that far, it would bring answers that would be difficult to argue with. I'm assuming the tree ring data is not complete, ergo carbon dating has been relied on. Thank you for your wonderful videos...have been a long time follower of your channel and love your attention to detail on all things related to the Pyramids of Egypt.
@martinross6416
@martinross6416 Жыл бұрын
Some of the best content on KZfaq.
@seeekerman1342
@seeekerman1342 Жыл бұрын
And Yet ANOTHER Wonderful Video! I've been following you since the beginning and you are a Class Act! I Love these Independent Videos and you have to keep making them or I'll have nothing worth while to watch! And Yes, I Do Not Take My History for Granite:-) Keep it up my friend and Thank You:-)
@Kaurione
@Kaurione Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t there also carbon dating done on the boats found in front of the great pyramid? And how does that compare?
@HistoryforGRANITE
@HistoryforGRANITE Жыл бұрын
I believe the boats were C14 tested, but I don't have a handy reference or paper about it.
@gordonferguson7231
@gordonferguson7231 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, very informative and the links are great. One question that i'd like to put out there: How can we be sure the C14 samples from the Khufu pyramid are contemporary with initial construction; is there not a probability that mortar from the outside surface of blocks is the result of historical repointing during maintenance?
@angelo595
@angelo595 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. the pyramids might have undergone many renovations and that should be included in the discussion... I still believe Edgar Cayce . . .
@danielciocilteu3545
@danielciocilteu3545 9 ай бұрын
The megalithic pyramids were made of cast geopolymer concrete and required no mortar. They were never built with carved stones from quarries hundreds of km away, but from the limestone gravel excavated from the Giza plateau itself, then mixed with chemical binders until a form of concrete was created. As for the Bent Pyramid itself, i have studied many pictures and diagrams of its internal chambers and conduits. Both the lower chamber and the upper chamber have been extensively modified during the dynastic period to serve as some kind of ritual places and to create ease of access to people. These modifications include small step staircases made of masonry, closed off spaces with walls, small rooms created in the upper chamber using wooden beams and small masonry blocks as well as mortar. The upper chamber stepped ceiling was also roughly carved by workers for some strange reason. All of the carbon dating has been made from materials from these renovations or modifications made by a people with clearly inferior engineering skill and are not relevant to the actual construction or purpose of the pyramid, in my opinion. The carbon dates show ages of between 3-4000 years BC which means about 5000 years ago, when we know from history the dynastic kingdoms were active. This means the pyramids were much older than this date and are from a different civilization altogether. The dynastic egyptians simply found them in a state of ruin, just like our civilization did. During my studies of the inner chambers of the pyramids i have concluded that they were more likely industrial structures and the inner tunnels functioned as conduits for fluids or air. They were never build for people to go crawling around in them. Many pyramids also have valves separating various chambers and conduits which also indicates a system to control the fluids into and out of the chambers. The story that pyramids were build as tombs is crumbling with each exploration and subsequent mapping of the inner chambers of the pyramids and one day we will figure out what type of industry the pyramids were actually built for.
@rememberthefuture944
@rememberthefuture944 Жыл бұрын
hi, HFG! thanks for sharing your immense knowledge and enthusiasm. you know how Abu Simbel is a relocated/remade site , i wondered if you could spot the modern techniques there. Do you think any other site could be a reproduction? that might explain some tooling marks at other sites. love the channel.
@lyness1217
@lyness1217 Жыл бұрын
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@ashleyking6743
@ashleyking6743 Жыл бұрын
This channel Is amazing. I’ve enjoyed every single video so far. Thanks for all the hard work you put into making these. Great work mate from Australia
@philoso377
@philoso377 Жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite channel. Keep up the good work. Thanks. As we understand the rationale behind C14 test on organic matter embedded in mortar found between building blocks of pyramid - because we know mortar is artificial and the chance to mixed in organic matter is higher. So before use that test result do ask when mortar was created? before or after the pyramid build. Please understand that all rocks originate in grain size of various proportion of known and unknown crystals, in loose state. At such state, the chance of mixing in organic matter isn’t zero. Then comes an opportunity for organic matter and sand to bind into solid, either chemically, w/wo pressure and temperature. We also should give some credit to ancient builders on chemical know how on artificial stone making. When we have a chance DO crush stones and look for organic matters in it. And in my view all stones can be crushed for embedded matters. So don’t let our former education dictate what we can/cannot do. Break the ground and open a new chapter, because we can.
@joebloe1152
@joebloe1152 Жыл бұрын
Yes, "Science Front and Center". Great video (as always)!
@zwayne4822
@zwayne4822 Жыл бұрын
Also would it be plausible that some of the wooden supports and plasters are later renovations or repairs?
@Cardioid2035
@Cardioid2035 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@helios9025
@helios9025 Жыл бұрын
Possible maybe but if all the dates match a same time period from each pyramid and matches with what we know from other evidence, it's kinda unlikely that it is the case.
@mrcoryman1
@mrcoryman1 Жыл бұрын
The fact that there is anywhere from 5,000 to 200,000 years of unrecorded history I'd say regardless we have a lot to discover
@chrismaas8466
@chrismaas8466 Жыл бұрын
This is a very good video, keep up the good work.
@hnbeast
@hnbeast Жыл бұрын
Carbon dating the pyramids? Now that's what I call a real history lesson. These ancient wonders never cease to amaze me. #TimelessBeauty
@nottiification
@nottiification Жыл бұрын
I love Egyptology, but shows like ancient aliens has made it nearly impossible to find good documentary content about it. Thank you so much for providing sober and rational content about this topic.
@Daniel_CH_
@Daniel_CH_ Жыл бұрын
Der Vatikan besitzt tausende ägyptischer artefacts. Ich denke sehr viele Beweise wie alt die Pyramiden sind und wie sie gebaut wurden wurden entfernt oder zerstört. Die Kirche hat damals entschieden das der Mensch dieses Wissen nie bekommen wird.
@110girl1
@110girl1 Жыл бұрын
I recently found an awesome KZfaq channel called unchartedX which covers ancient Egypt. The content is very well researched and very detailed. It’s worth checking out if you like this sort of thing.
@usemythirdarm
@usemythirdarm Жыл бұрын
@@110girl1 UnchartedX is pretty much ancient aliens but done differently lol
@andreapea642
@andreapea642 Жыл бұрын
I’ve loved everything Egyptian for 50 years. But try looking at from another perspective. WHY…do archaeologists want to shut down any and ALL information that does NOT fit with the ‘narrative’?? Because if they did…everything we know would unravel and collapse. Religion particularly. It’s ALL been proven now…that 2 Millenia ago… ‘religion’ covered up what the ORIGINAL Hebrew writers wrote about MANY Millenia ago. And religion, govts & elites will not give up their lies. It’s ALL in plain sight now.
@chuckleezodiac24
@chuckleezodiac24 Жыл бұрын
You might like World of Antiquity.
@JMDemetri
@JMDemetri Жыл бұрын
Love the channel and love your approach. Dr. Lehner has been nice enough to respond to queries I sent many years ago and I respect him and Hawass as technically competent archaeologists, but Egyptology was built on sugar daddy funding and that is the real digging. Today there are not too many Lord Carnarvon types left since the goodies stay in Egypt, but plenty of alternative history/new age types to crowdsource from as long as they keep trolling them along. I'd love to see the dendro on that beautiful Lebanon cedar - I'm pretty sure they used only heartwood, possibly burning the sapwood to make the mortar.
@JB-td4ei
@JB-td4ei Жыл бұрын
I think radio carbon dating is useless in this context, because a cedar rod sealed in a chamber can’t date the chamber, only when it was sealed. What we really need is the crushed remains of someone who died under one of the stones during construction. I’m sure in all of those pyramids someone got crushed under a rock and left there.
@candidobizzotto2038
@candidobizzotto2038 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations for this video. Very clear. I'd like to see them in a logical sequence and not as YT hints. Hugs from Brazil! 🇧🇷
@janebeckman3431
@janebeckman3431 Жыл бұрын
Actually, you can learn a lot from privies. Lots of date-able things can end up in the night soil, even if the waste itself becomes too degraded. However, my suspicion is that it was hauled away from the worker site to use as fertilizer. "Where did they go to the bathroom?" is a legitimate question.
@haywoodjay385
@haywoodjay385 Жыл бұрын
You're by far the best channel that covers Egyptology and I want to thank you for your time.
@chrishutton1458
@chrishutton1458 Жыл бұрын
A very nice video. The ONLY one I've seen that states openly the problems with carbon dating. The variability of C14 production in the upper atmosphere. Unfortunately this is then ignored in the rest of the video and C14 is treated as though it is accurate. I would have preferred to see more of an analysis of this variation and it's affects on the calculated dates.
@usun5886
@usun5886 9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing your very fascinating thoughts! Have Kufu’s ceremonial boats been radio carbon tested?
@23and2
@23and2 Жыл бұрын
This is such a a great channel. I appreciate the grounded, well reasoned exploration of Egypt and its mysteries. I think this channel illustrates that the pyramids don’t have to be 12,500 years old or built by aliens to be as intriguing as if they were. Thank you for this. I love reality!
@davestephens8033
@davestephens8033 Жыл бұрын
Why the ridicule about "aliens?" How do you know they weren't? Do you know that the Great Pyramid had a hieroglyph over the original door? You know what happened to it? Zawhi Hawass had it CHISELED OFF. Because the hieroglyphs weren't Egyptian and in an unknown language. Look it up on the web, there are photos of the inscription. Its also in older books on the pyramids. Funny thing is that they symbols used look like the symbols on the Roswell I-beams. Even funnier I can no longer find any photos of that inscription over the door. If you're interested I can go find my book with the photo of it. Its not a conspiracy theory, its real and it was the only actual writing on that pyramid, and my book was a guide to the pyramid.
@nicholasradzykewycz5270
@nicholasradzykewycz5270 Жыл бұрын
One would think the excitement of new discoveries would encourage the topic to circulate more than leaving these monuments forgotten so that alternative history can postulate about them. Even nudging some of the pyramid dates several hundred years forwards or backwards would cause a significant change in the order of events in Egyptology and thus lead to new corrected textbooks, more in depth information, and encourage returning visitors. A tourism industry has yet to die from excessive media coverage.
@morgan97475
@morgan97475 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Highly informative & revealing.
@_JerryLopez_
@_JerryLopez_ Жыл бұрын
Good content! Thank you!
@bswins9648
@bswins9648 Жыл бұрын
Welcome back! Interesting topic. I hope your videos spur current and future archaeologists, Egyptologists, etc. to focus on this issue. Perhaps the Old Guard has to die off before others can make headway. Regardless, you continue to put forward important information that helps even this most non-scientific, doesn’t-know-enough-to-be-dangerous subscriber. Hope you and yours had a happy new year. Best wishes for a safe and successful 2023. Please keep the videos coming!
@mnomadvfx
@mnomadvfx Жыл бұрын
"I hope your videos spur current and future archaeologists, Egyptologists, etc. to focus on this issue. Perhaps the Old Guard has to die off before others can make headway" I think you may be misreading this somewhat. It's less a case of set attitudes as funding in many cases. HfG implies that Koch 'pressured' events in his favor - but all Koch has power to do is throw money at the right people for the job in this case. Ergo archaeologists simply did not view carbon dating as a priority when targeting new research paths, or applying for funding to pursue any such investigations. Money makes the world go round - and Koch knows that better than most. Every time an archaeologist comes begging for funding from person x they are potentially drawing from a finite well of philathropic goodwill - each request could be the last time they get anything, so it follows that they will only pursue funding for the research that they actually want to do. When an entitled rich pr**k like a Koch comes knocking you say "OK, we don't want to pursue this personally, but if you drop enough cash to fund excavations for another 5-10 years besides what you want, then we will be happy to drop what we are doing to pursue this for you". Simple give and take.
@WileHeCoyote
@WileHeCoyote Жыл бұрын
That was great! Well done! What possible reason could we have to NOT radio carbon date, radar detect, and try everything we have to solve mysteries, but I now understand that Zahi and the establishment think they ONLY have incentive to keep the "MYSTERY" it's self alive. So ironic when you think about it.
@mnomadvfx
@mnomadvfx Жыл бұрын
"but I now understand that Zahi and the establishment think they ONLY have incentive to keep the "MYSTERY" it's self alive" LAUGHS in Hancock, von Danicken, Foerster, Dunn, Carlson etc etc etc etc. Those people have millions of book sales incentive worth of keeping the mystery alive to keep their bank accounts flush with cash - and what are they actually contributing to the conversation but the same old florid speculation laced heavily with anti establishment derision? Meanwhile for all Hawass's many faults he is still at work and excavations / discoveries continue in Egypt - many recently at Saqqara and the recent rediscovery of Akhetaten. "What possible reason could we have to NOT radio carbon date" Simplest answer? Priorities. Archaeologists want to find something new much more than they want to investigate things already found - analysis is boring and discovery is cool! That's why there is a dearth of Assyriologists qualified to translate the massive gamut of cuneiform tablets archaeological excavations have turned up in the last 2 centuries. Who wants to sit around teasing minuscule bits of organic material from building mortar when you can be digging out trenches at Saqqara or Gobekli Tepe? More complex answer? Funding is a limited well of opportunity. The more you draw from it, the less likely you are to get something worth the effort of asking. Each new request to a wealthy benefactor runs the risk of said benefactor feeling like they are being taken advantage of and either deciding to use their funds for other philanthropic endeavors or stop funding them entirely. In this context personal priorities play an even more paramount role - especially if you lack a tenured institutional position to afford being more financially lax with your choices.
@DriftWizard750
@DriftWizard750 Жыл бұрын
Why isn’t DNA testing of archaeological human remains allowed in USA?
@jadenantal1652
@jadenantal1652 Жыл бұрын
@@DriftWizard750 yea that's dumb what the hell. The greediness of the world gets old
@johng4093
@johng4093 3 ай бұрын
​@@DriftWizard750It is allowed. Many DNA studies of ancient remains in US have been done. They commonly get permission from existing tribal groups first. Usually they just want the remains, which may be their ancestors, treated with respect.
@PRH123
@PRH123 Ай бұрын
There’s been a total 450 samples of organic material from worker's village, surrounding temples and pyramids carbon dated (to 4th Dynasty / 2,500 bce).
@PaulaBean
@PaulaBean Жыл бұрын
A video dedicated to the radiocarbon-dated instances would be very welcomed.
@OhAncientOne
@OhAncientOne Ай бұрын
Really well done, thank you so much! Sub'd. I'm new here so will have to learn what else you have done. What is the current estimate for how long it took to build the pyramids?
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