Chummy Chime what maintenance?! Oil changes?

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Same here

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If you put all the $10,000 extras that make a Avalon a Lexus ES on the ground and really look at them. Are all those parts just laying there really worth the $10,000?

Car Confections - Great Job! I like your scoring system better than Doug’s. It’s more realistic. Doug would have said the Lexus was better regardless. Add in test driving ratings too though.

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You forget that Lexus has benefits not afforded by Toyota. The service experience compared to Lexus is different depending on what gets done including loaner cars, concierge service and more. All depends on what you want.

What he said. Service is different. Also. Some lexus parts are built tougher and are a slight upgrade. Finally, and you might find it odd, Toyota has a higher resale value. Although the same, people perceive Toyota as more reliable and lexus as expensive to maintain.

Very well done comparo. Let's not forget insurance cost, prestige and resale value.

I'm definitely thankful to you folks who focus on the emblem. Manufacturers make the same vehicles under their non-luxury brands for $5k+ less thanks to you. I'll happily take the Avalon over the ES.

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@@l.cfootman3259 I bought a 2000 Avalon XLS new and it was a daily driver until I bought a new 2019 Avalon Limited. I gave it to our grand daughter who is a junior in high school. So the 2000 gave me 19 years also and trouble free driving. It should easily last until she graduates college.

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I think he did touch upon that in the beginning

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the fusion isnt even gonna exist anymore there's not point

Well, Ford going to stop making the Fusion so you already know who the winner is

ShockinglyBleh only in the us because no one buys sedans here anymore

It's obvious that Toyota is the winner, considering Ford is gonna discontinue their entire sedan line.

Uyoku Dantai a bad joke indeed. No laughing Ford. Fix Or Repair Daily

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Yes I think so

Toyota for life

The best! Just got my es300h and I love it i get so many compliments the ride is so smooth has plenty of room and has good power plus I'm getting 45 mpg! 😍

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@@fpvflyer2615 both ride and cabin noise were virtually the same..not enough difference to justify paying extra..I think the Toyota badge instead of the Lexus may discourage some folks but not myself

@@patrickadair516and there are more Toyota dealers and therefore it is easier to service the Avalon. Parts will also be less expensive.

Congratulations on the new car! You can't go wrong with either choice!

MsRose00 I went ahead with the 2018 Lexus 350 vs either of the 2019...but you are exactly right...I must say I'm loving my Lexus after driving the 2019 Avalon for about 3 weeks...also the 2018 Lexus ES 350 was the same price as the 2019 Avalon XSE....I just couldnt take the grill on Avalon

Tee S Haynes And that’s what I am so conflicted with because that grill is an abomination. I also don’t feel secure with nothing but grill in the front. I have a 2013 Camry now that I am done paying for but my husband really wanted me to get a car with more leg room. Toyota has been good to me but I am just not warming to this Avalon.

MsRose00 I understand...I had the 2017 Highlander but my husband has a Ford 150...the highlander I love but it was too much vehicle for me and my daughter. I sold it and got the 2019 XSE Avalon...but the Toyota dealership I got it from...let's just say they Had to buy it back after me having it almost 3 weeks...Nothing wrong with the car for me except the grill but I was going to just deal with it....The GM bought it back because they messed my paperwork work up and then they started messing up my add on's so bad that they had to start ordering parts or either fixing things that they messed up...my car didn't even smell or feel new anymore...needless to say...my husband loved the leg room in it...but I didnt care lol....just so happen he went with me to get the Lexus because we have no Lexus dealership here....and low and behold The leg room to him is the same in the 2018 Lexus 350 as the 2019 Avalon XSE. Let me tell you this....there is nothing in that Avalon that's not in the ES 350....I was shocked...the screen on the Avalon looks huge because of how they got it but to me the screen itself is the same size as the Avalon...I haven't missed the Avalon at All...I'm glad too because I really didnt want to feel like I should have went to another Toyota dealership to get another black on black 2019 XSE. Now the speed in the Avalon is a little faster than the Lexus only because I purchased the 2018...the 2019 has more speed like the Avalon....but as I told my husband I'm not into speed like that....I hope this helps some. The leg room was the only reasons I didn't go with the Camry was they didn't have the white and black front to back sunroof with red interior and the leg room on the lot that day.

Just test drive both of them. Whichever suits your driving style more, pick that one. None of these 2 is out of your budget if you have already locked down on a 40-48k USD.

Silent Refusal this is True

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The overall refinement, build quality and smoother ride is always noticeable in the Lexus from the different models I have owned and driven compared to their Toyota counterparts. I know it's anecdotal, but I upgraded (in Australia) from an 07 TRD Aurion to an 08 Lexus GS450H recently and the difference in drive quality is remarkable. The GS450H is like driving on a cloud while the Aurion felt like any other generic sedan of it's type comparing driving experiences.

Plus the F sport suspension and adaptive dampening for the ES 350

Android Auto is coming to Toyota!!!

www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/9/24/17895600/toyota-android-auto-carplay

About time... ...hopefully it even comes as a status update with the new Avalons, RAV4s, Camrys, Corolla Hatchbacks, and more future Toyota products. Same with Lexus with the ES, LC, LS, etc. Add Android Auto on the new Avalon, and there you have a sedan I personally consider to be perfect for me.

@@gengstar09 they said possibly in October but the month is almost over. I really hope Toyota and lexus finally get Android auto it makes no sense to not have it yet imo.

That Avalon grill, tho....

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Marco Deo they finally put it on the 2020 ES

The Avalon Touring is not the top of the line; the Avalon Limited is. But he possibly chose to compare the Touring and the ES Premium because seat material and other things are as "close" to each other in type as possible.

Actually Lexus isn’t expensive to service simply because it is a Toyota product. Lexus and toyota are interchangeably some of the least expensive cars to maintain.

@@stefanb.5154doesn’t matter. If you go to a Lexus dealership they will charge you more.

A badge isn't enough to award a point. All things considered, power, comfort, performance, features, the fact that the Avalon has many features of the ES but at a lower price point, it could be argued that the Lexus should lose a point due to the badge.

@@travelseatsyellowlab He added a half point for the metal trim around the key fob. The badge should definitely count for at least a half point.

@@travelseatsyellowlab but that’s the reason it deserves a badge… it’s literally “avalon is nice but for that price, i’ll rather get a lexus” which is why there’s like a million es but like 10 avalon (over exaggerating obviously, but es have double the sale). badge does mean things, especially for 45k+. they’ll rather have a badge then more features

@@scoot5642 superficiality and stupidity reigns supreme.

The lexus ES costs $7500 t0 $9000 more than an Avalon. So, as far as resale value it damn well better be worth more

That's false Avalon actually holds better value

The ES350 does the same

They just keep getting better. Avalon has great value.

I actually liked the joystick. I like the screen being far back so you don’t have to look down from the road to see navigation and stuff. I am less fond of the touch pad. I find with Touch screens I am always reaching forward to press buttons. I don’t have to do that with the joystick.

@@djplonghead5403 reaching forward yes, but you're getting the task don't significantly faster when you can just use your finger. Many automakers excused their choice for not going touch, because they deemed it safer to interact with while driving. I'd argue the fact it takes longer means your attention is diverted for longer periods which doesn't really seem or sound any safer to me. I'd rather just do what I wanna do nearly instantly and be back at full attention ahead as fast as possible. You as the driver are responsible for deciding when a good time to mess with your screen would be. Shouldn't be the manufacturers imo. This is before you even get to the other, maybe even the dominant fact on the ground. All of these cars had adaptive cruise control back then and most new cars sold today have the feature or option the feature. . . This was GOING to happen. So it's not blatantly unsafe to look a little lower on your dash when your car is braking for you and making sure to keep that safe distance from the car up ahead. It was a bad decision back then that they went with the less efficient route. It's worse that new cars to this day are doing it. Acura for example, still a touch pad. Mazda's are still only touch screens when they're using Apple Carplay. Or when the car is parked I believe it can be used by touch as well. All unnecessary.

For some reason, the current LS was a disappointment. It was rated as one of Consumer Reports top buy but the current LS500 sits at the bottom of the Large Luxury segment. It seems Lexus ruined their sweet formula when they tried to make their sedans more sporty and aggressive. I wonder if the removal of the V8 in favor of a turbo V6 played a big role in this.

PLATINUM there is no comparison. One will leave you on the side of the road with a bad transmission while the other one will get you to wherever you need to go.

I'd like to know the actual percentage of CVTs that have problems, I feel like people only come online to complain and others just bandwagon and it makes them sound a lot worse than they are, even if they are bad

Corey I’ve seen nissans with ~30k miles have their transmissions replaced...

RIPPLE RICHIE really? I feel like you’re trying to justify your purchase.

No doubt here, the Avalon is better in every way.

Diagonal screen size is misleading unless the aspect ratios are the same. A better measure is total pixel area. The Lexus 12"+ screen is long and short whereas Avalon is more square. I am willing to bet Avalon screen area is > Lexus. This is obvious in the video shot of birds eye camera view

I used to think that but you have to look deeper, I know that design is subjective (I prefer the Lexus over the Toyota), look at the little detail like how the temperature slides instead of flicker, the little clock, the texture on the leather, the fit and finish and others smaller detail. Yes if you want a car to just drive from point A to B those my not worth a cent to you, but I love car design, I'm on the road for hours everyday and when you spend that much times inside a car those little detail can be important!

What do you think my friend about the lowest cotgorey in avalon XLE , is it worth to buy ?

Both Toyota and Lexus do a great job with their synthetic leather. Lexus might be a bit softer but not a big difference.

The Camry isn't even near the Avalon's or ES' league... no comparison.

Agree

Uses less what?

It is now in all our comparisons from the last year or so 👍

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Interest rates don't matter. You save more money with Lexus or Toyota cash incentives over low apr.

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