It's nice to see a Drift vs Grip video where they don't insist on holding the drift through the whole corner. That kind of driving is obviously slower, only for show. But these smaller angle, shorter drifts that actually use the car's momentum and weigth shift can be fast, this is the kind of drifting I adore and love, not the ones you see on a regular drifting event. Though I still have my doubt if it could be faster than grip driving, but I bet it could be close. Would love to see a proper race or a time trial with more laps and the proper settings, as Tsuchiya himself has mentioned as well.

In a 20 lap race, drifting will chew up the tyres. Part of racing is tyre conservation so that you still have grip towards the end of the race.

All you need the green tsuchiya drip

My bet is with the in-between area. Some would call it the "slip angle" most would still call it drifting though.

Let’s not forget any GT-R with the ATTESA system is very difficult to drift or even powerslide properly. Tsuchiya-san is god hand and god foot in one.

Subject old as drifting itself, but when DK's speaking, we listen 🙌✊❤

I love smaller drifts that help the car rotate in corners. Tsuchiya-san really shows his skills with minimal angle slides. I love watching him go for speed with grip too.

I love how in the video if you see his grip laps and drift laps they are almost identical and from the beginning we are told that he is going "all out", He was known for his driving style utilizing slip angles, rotation, or as we are seeing it as drift techniques. If you notice in the grip video his steering wheel is still more or less straight in the corners, this is because he is sliding all four wheel through the turn, just enough to be faster than both drift or grip, because he is using both. (it is also why the end times are so similar to each other) I love seeing the Drift King making a new video for the younger generations and to show how using both is how we get faster!

It's scary how technical the course is. The car never gets a chance to settle between corners. And Tsuchiya still makes it look easy.

Fastest is using whatever is in ones arsenal. Not All corner or corners are the same. Some grip in grip out is faster, while others a shallow angle drift in and grip out will be quicker or even drift out to setup for the next corner might be the answer. Who knows. But having drift skills does help.

No transfer cases were harmed in the making of this video.

So nice to hear the engine noise! Great sound 👌👌

This test could definitely be better and more scientific, having different Cars, FF, FR, AWD~even different wheelbases for the tests. Also having the laps to be full Grip and Fast drift laps along with taking each kind of corners into account. By full grip I mean full laps without the the car going into a drift like some tight corners in the Grip laps. I believe this would help more people understand the difference in time for drift and grip.

The key thing is maintaining proper slip angle throughout the corner. Every pro driver uses this to extract the maximum cornering grip of the tire. The problem with the setup of this R32 is similar to that of the new BRZ, and somewhat of the GR86. It understeers, and then oversteers under throttle. It won’t turn in on entry like an S2000.

I'm extremely impressed with Tsuchiya san's restraint on the grip portion.

I think there's a bit of confusion here. Grip racers use trail braking to introduce slip angle, which is indeed a bit of a slide in the middle of the corner. That's what the DK is referring to - a bit of angle to face towards the exit sooner and throttling out of the corner is quite ideal, and is used regularly. I'm pretty sure we all came here to see some wicked handbrake rips and massive drift angle through the whole corner, from entry to exit. That's obviously slower, and is not demonstrated in this video for that reason. In my opinion, all of his laps were quite similar - he got plenty of angle in his grip run, but he accelerated a bit early out of some corners and kicked out the back-end. The true fastest way to race is definitely in between these two techniques.

Great sounds and comparison.

I really like the loose camera for the on board shot, how it flows in response to G-forces is actually really cool. With some more aggressive aero I'm certain the gap between grip and drift would widen considerably, though with limited aero it is closer than I expected.

i love this guy! thanks for the great video

It's pretty interesting, and thanks for the comparison at the end. Grip is better not only at times but with car preservation in a general way. Tires, suspension, clutch, almost everything suffers more while drifting and also wears down more and faster by consequence. Drift is way more fun but on a specific race.

Hey carprime, I'm really loving all the video ideas that are coming out, there's some amazing content that I've been wanting to see for a while now. One criticism I have is that you need to be more careful about the on board footage. The gopro inside is getting overexposed a lot and you can't see the road/driving at all in many moments because it's too bright. There's a lot of valuable driving footage so I would love to see it all. I think that it would be nice to have a footwork camera and a Aim solo 2 or similar so you can use a telemetry overlay on the driving footage. It's more work but I think it'll make the driving footage much more valuable. Cheers!

Like the tarmac rally drivers it's a mix of grip and drift probably around 70%grip 30%drift and let's be honest you don't get better drivers that the WRC

so glad this channel exists

So nice..... amazing test!

i think you mixed drift and powersliding . each curve is a story unto itself . Nice video

I agree with a lot of people saying that it is merely situation based where an entry drift can be beneficial. My example is when I was karting, the whole track I was hard on grip and getting the right driving line and being right on the edge of traction using all the trac I could squeeze my kart on. The last corner is a sharp hairpin left with plenty of track before the corner. My mate is infront, he takes a wide entry angle to clip the apex but he ended up being a bit wide, I came in super hot with a sharper entry angle to the apex, I threw myself in sideways, drifting basically straight at him as he is mid corner, my angle pushing me infront of him as I managed to get traction just on the apex, putting power down exiting the corner taking it wide down the straight and took the 🏆 I am by know means at all a racing or drifting expert haha. Though I feel this sort of drifting DK displayed is purely the only way it could be faster in situations rather than just drifting every corner because you can.

amazing video!

Takeshi Nakazato joined the discussion.

I enjoy this video very much. This is the kind of drift I like, the old kind of drift for speed and you can hear him saying if the suspension is softer the drift will be even faster.

Awesome comparison! On this tight track, the drift had more advantage in terms of better exit angle that benefited in earlier longitudinal traction for acceleration as well as with quicker rotation of the car, compared to girp. As Tsuchiya-San said, if the suspension would have been softer (most probably quick bump and rebound were too stiff, but spring could be also too stiff), then the quick bumps wouldn't force Tsuchiya-San to do so many corrections on throttle and steering. I would also say that even with grip Tsuchiya-San was using the "slip angle" technique, because it's the most noticeable technique. If you can hear tires screeching, but car is still going in the same direction, without tires sliding like in full drift, it's the slip angle. But with drift there is also the angle of attack! Quick explanation of what is the angle of attack: 0° Angle of attack: car is pointed straight and car is going straight 45° Angle of attack: car is pointed at 45° to where it's actually going 90° Angle of attack: car is pointed to the left/right at the right angle and car is going straight So the grip and drift depends on tire compound, suspension geometry, suspension stiffness, chassis and body stiffness, camber of the road, how much rubber is on the track and so on. It can be different for every scenario, so the so called "in between" is what Time Attack is all about! Finding that sweet spot of compromises: is it more beneficial to grip here, so you can have better mid-turn speed or slide a bit mid-turn to have better exit approach. I'd love to see more of time attack with that technique by Tsuchiya-San!

Following from Spain, Tsuchiya-san you're the best!!!

just fantastic!!!!

I remember watching the option and vtec club videos all the time, I say watching, but reading them since they were purely in Japanese! Loved every bit of them and watching him drive, it's art in purist form.

Great 👍Thank you ❤️

So ... Thank you for translating this ... I wish all creators would do this .. As good content comes from all parts of the world ...

So drift and grip do the same time clock but in some cars soften the rear end can make some minor drifts to help improve the cornering

The Living Legend 🏁🍻

The man doesn't age and its amazing.

the image stabilisation gives a really nice sense of the balance of the car

The fastest touge sector time was achieved using grip style.

ありがとＤＫさん　amo que sigas haciendo vídeos así 🙌🏻🙌🏻🔥

A true ace even at 60+. Long live the king.

Mr.DK our king of all time!

Best thing about this channel - I get to watch cars while practicing Japanese

He drifts to help point the front of the car in the direction of the next corner entry. It’s very effective on a twisted track like this one.

When this man doesn’t speak, better watch your mirrors this man will pass you cuz he’s DK, you can Fr see his legend aura come out. That’s a grim reaper samurai coming for you 🔥💯

Great comparison! I was expecting drift (or I would call it power sliding) to be quicker in the GT-R.

I see. Thought the results were closer than I wouldn't thought. If you're really really pushing on the time attack naturally you will slide or break traction a bit anyways. If you can spare the tyres then a little bit of drift won't hurt and it'll look cool 😆

I know there are lots of rally drivers but i think this test just can be done by DK if we really wanna set the debate ¡and he does it with the best car of the worl!

Love gtr, tsuchiya

I love the skylines sounds DK is driving tho

Tsuchiya is the king!

i always wondered if dk Tsuchiya ever thought of remaking or branching off of the initial d series? with the advancement of computer tech you can make a simi realistic version.

For those wondering, the video shows grip was only 0.2 faster. However DK says if the suspension was softer, the drift time would be FASTER than grip. I have been saying it for years. Drift is faster. When you think about grip, you take a corner as fast as possible without losing traction. Now take it just slightly faster, and you drift. Its common sense that drift would be faster. NO, I am not talking about D1 show drifting with super wide angles and destroying tires. When you take a corner at speed, there is a point where grip disappears and drift takes over. This is the "sweet spot" for racing. I actually got really good at this on highway off ramps. Come in hot doing like 80mph, brake late which dips the front end, turn in with the extra grip on front tires and less grip on rear, rear kicks out, power over, and you can take the corner at 60mph. You can't do that with grip. Grip is slower. No one has been able to keep up with me in the twisties. Even back when I used to drive the slowest car at car meets, when we would go back road driving I would always end up keeping up, because although my straight line was slow as balls, I knew how to corner better. Classic initial D where the car is slow straight line up can corner like a monster. Its all about knowing how to drive, and sadly most people today who brag about being skilled aren't. I remember watching an older video of DK making D1 drivers drift a stock Miata and pretty much none of them could do it. Because they all suck at driving. Their D1 cars are modified to make that style drifting easier. They actually have zero skill.... hell, ive beaten people in fully built and boosted STI's making 800whp because they can't actually drive for shit. Sure in a straight line they are all "im the best" but the moment you go back road racing they can't keep up. End of the day, there are two kinds of drifting, speed drift and show drift. Speed drifting is faster than grip racing and show drifting is much much slower than grip racing.

I like drift style. Keeps you on your toes more and generally more exciting. Plus I'm personally a bit of an aggressive driver on the track

i think drift vs grip is more about each individual corner and the line you are on and whether you need to rotate the car, i feel like this skill is more valuable on corner entry then exit but that may change because of turbo lag where a small amount of wheelspin will keep the engine in boost and not lagging or bogging, maybe more true in 4wd cars.

Before I kick the bucket I will shake this man's hands

Nice to see bucket seats and harneses but he still uses original seat belt.

The real difference between drifting and gripping a corner is that gripping a corner allows you to maintain your speed out of the corner giving you a better exit , on the other hand drifting allows you to enter the corner at higher speeds but at the cost of your exit speed which is why grip is considered to be faster most of the time but this does not apply to every discipline of racing. For example, Rally/RallyX drivers will slide a corner to get better rotation out of the car to get faster cornering and exits. So I guess the propper answer to this question would be it depends

The onboard footage looks like my nan going out for a leisurely Sunday afternoon drive.

I don't know if you did guys but I heard a rod knocking sound for a few seconds and then it disappeared, right at 0.45

I wanna See Tsuchiya Drive an AW11!!

Horra que dahora!!

I love his car! What a nice R32!!!

What a beautiful R32. Im dying to see one in real life.

And again after 30 year's. Tsuchiya is going to show for the kids then, how great car's and car culture were back then, at the 80's/90's, 50-70 years a go. And he is going to be 96 year's young then...

Que bueno este tío un máquina

I was thinking that a stiff suspension is better for drift than a soft one. But I better trust this guy 🤓

Man he really knows how to make that RB scream

Do you know that Tsuchiya learned drifting from Takahashi, who in turn learned it from Roger Clarke, a British rally driver? Who was driving RWD Ford Escort Mk2 up to it's limits way before the Group B?

That R32 looks like a blast to drive

drift vs grip depends on the type or road/track and the condition of the racing surfaces

if the suspension was softer, you would get faster lap times in both settings because it prolonges adhesion through bumpy sections. the only issue i have with this test is that they were comparing a car that doesn't seem very well setup for either grip or drift but using the same tires means it is a fair comparison however tires are a huge detail for drifting.

Great video. What is the name of this track?

Depends on the course and road conditions

So which suspension is good in cornering and bumps?

I think it depends on the type of corners ur taking. In some corners u would be faster if u use grip, and likewise with drifting. I think both are almost equally fast, but if u were to incorporate both techniques on a timed lap n use those techniques properly, u would be a lot faster if u were just using grip or drift alone.

almost no counter steer, I'm amazed

Technically I would call it powerslide, not drift. Anyway great video!

I drift on RC. Both AWD and RWD. Both had advantage and dis on cornering and speed aspect. AWD can clear corner faster while RWD is better for technical corner.

They should make the tires out of whatever that pen on the dash is made of. Thought the damn thing would've slid off by now.

i think it depends on the track and corners and car being used

Now this is the real Bunta Fujiwara...

Took me a while to realize where all the passenger seat foam pads go.

A drift driver in a car set up to drift, not using the gears ( because when power was applied aggressively the car drifts ) what else do you expect? To test this properly need a handful of drivers in two separate cars set up properly for each discipline doing multiple laps 3-5 head to head

in rally racing drifting is much common, so it depends

drift for life lol What I'd be extremely interested if it was ever possible, was if you guys ever closed off specific downhill touge roads like in Tokyo Extreme Racer and do more in depth testing there, that would be a dream. Always wondered more specifically on the effects of the downhill slope vs the usual circuit for real life anyway. Much more dangerous though... Thanks for the video, it's cool Tsuchiya did this recent drift vs grip video. I've gotta check out the original one he did for Hot Version some time!

What about 4 wheel drift? (the one with no countersteer)

Tools in the "belt", depends on needs and "circuit", car set up and yes tires concerns . Fun factor, Drift 100% 😎😎😎

Well now. The real legendary tofu drifter...

This is the first time I've seen him driving without speaking. 😜

Well he is the drift king ofcourse he can drift faster than any racer or driver. Only some can be good as him to make drifting faster in some cases

the onboard footage where we can’t even see the track despite them having a camera for it really makes these hard to watch

On the drift section, he used a rally driving style, which is truly the best style.

How interesting that the car is understeer in entry and oversteer in exit, similar to Ferrari F14T.

Kind of micky mouse track, only needing two gears. I prefer slightly more versatile track that you need about the complete set of gears and use the cars limits more. Was interesting to watch and nice driving!

I think drift can be used in different scenarios like not letting someone pass after gaining the lead, quick turn transitions,learning how not to wipe out...

What's wrong with the wiper blade?

3:48 So cool

DK KinG👑