ALL SHIPS CAN CHART JUMP POINTS "In general, all ships will be able to detect jump points, though the Carrack is simply better at doing it and from much greater ranges." CIG robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/18470-Q-A-MISC-Odyssey#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20all%20ships%20will,and%20from%20much%20greater%20ranges.

For either to truly come into their own CIG will have to figure out how to handle logging off/on on someone else's ship.

Until the Ody arrives and Exploration is in game, in full... we simply don't know. I think it's far too early to say, we just don't know how it's going to unfold. A fun thought experiment though, no doubt both ships will be great competitors and this conversation will continue to be 'discussed' long after the game officially goes live, lol.

What if one of the Carrack modules is a quantanium mining and refining module?

Until they physicalize cargo and you can't load the damn Carrack.

Don't forget how fast the carrack for its size

I think the mail slot is going to work on the Odyssey because the artwork makes it look like it will be from floor to ceiling and wrap around the wall several meters. You know what we really need is a new MFD module for external cameras to help land ships. It would also give a co-pilot more to do. as they can dedicate more or all of their MFDs to camera for spotting targets in blindspots, helping land by watching all the landing gear points at once, or monitoring entry points for boarders during battles.

I'm personally waiting on the Odyssey. The carrack was the first big ship i put cash towards. I honestly don't like the layout,alot of wasted space. in combat it easily gets smoked. The carrack should probably have size 5s and an interior rework. Even the Odyssey is not in game the carrack is a make believe ship. Mine ended up becoming a Polaris

The part where you gave an explanation on the different roles of both ships really clicked with me. If CIG doesent make that exactly as you stated, they would be trolling

Very succinct and well reasoned video. Carrack owner; drones, modules, repair bay, its military pedigree, and Ursa/C8 bonus make it the ship for me. I'll likely run with a C8R, and a ground vehicle with more utility, once they are a thing...base builder/amberlamps/hauler. The Odyessy is sexy AF, but I don't need both.

Little known fact, the Starfarer is dead in the water. The reason no one is using it is because it can not refuel. I don't know when it happened but the fuel nozzle which connects to the other ships is missing and when you go to buy one at the store it disappears from your inventory. On top of that the ship loadout manager does not recognize or even see it to put it on your ship. I have bought four of them and none of them are in the inventory but Nik Nax sees them in the utility section of the inventory. Many people have posted this to the Issue Counsel but there are so few Starfarer owners it gets archived before enough people can confirm it.

Different ships, different roles. Comparatives are weird.

About the Carrack Vs Odyssey, we do not know what and how scanning functions will work. The Carrack has the 4 large retractable antenna's and the Odyssey has a large fixed antenna at the front and another scanner located beneath just above the main ramp, there is no information about how these will function/work and how these compare. Until we know what and how these scanning devices do and their respected specifications we can then determine which ship is best/ better for purpose and type of exploration scanning.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ody triggers a design language change in the mail-slot viewport. Like increasing the size of it by 50 percent or even double isn't going to make it not look like it's misc lmao

3:37 one of the most buggy features, right next to elevators and ladders. 😂

You forgot to mention the repair room in the carrack. you can fix components

The most important aspect of a Carrack for expedition - Jump charting computers and equipment/sensors that an Odyssey DOES NOT HAVE. If you come across an uncharted jump point, only one ship is going through that JP, and shocker, its not the Odyssey. The Carrack is what you use to explore as a profession, the Odyssey is what you use to prospect for a base/mining operation.

Great commentary. One thing you missed for the Carrack: it can traverse more jump points, since it is a Large ship and not limited to Capital sized jump points. Also, the C8 can use all jump points, making the Carrack have access to any sized Jump point, and not have to "go-the-long-way-around" which the Odyssey will be forced to do.

The Carrack's sells pitch was as the greatest exploration ship. The Carrack mini-game created by CIG showed it as a great exploration ship. The Carrack as delivered is just a regular ship with some special and unfinished features. Yes I'm pissed.

The odyssey look more like a capital ship

The Carrack is also a military ship equipped with armor and is the Swiss Army knife of exploration. It can transport ships and ground vehicles without losing any cargo space. Can be a command and control ship for small to med orgs. with its full map system cartography room. To top it all off Modularity . What if you spend most of your time, searching for mineables to refine fuel for the Odyssey instead of exploring ?

'Hundreds of jump points' lol..... nuff said.

I read that the Carrack is based on the Serenity, so that makes me want one. I need NPC crews before I get one though.

The way I see it: Carrack = Giant Cutter Scout/Terrapin Odyssey = Giant Cutter Rambler/Freelancer DUR

Idk it has the range difference but with the changes to mining quant is much harder to find so you’d be more likely to be searching for it more than finding it, so that in itself reduces its range. Aside for the before mentioned shields and tractors are good.

Nice comparison video! I always say: If you can't decide which of the two ships should be in the hangar - just take both :)

The pilot will not be able to control the remote turrets on the Odyssey. Where in the world did you dream that up?

I can't wait to see what the odyssey looks like after it goes through all the design work. I imagine exploration gameplay has a lot of work before we can see these ships really duke it out for the crown.

Actually I own a 600i explorer, I don’t think I have a leg in this debate, but my ship certainly wins best looks B)

Are there any hints / signs / rumors about when the Odyssey will be flight ready?

I don't think Carrack and Odyssey are meant to compete against each other. If you think about what exploration is in real world, there are many types of exploration like, finding systems/planets/life forms, etc. and then exploration like really going there (like on Mars or Moon) to find things like minerals, water, rare materials etc. (basically find samples, analyse ground). also, you could have the type of exploration that is a form of early colonization of newly discovered lands, etc. I think Carrack and Odyssey have different roles and purposes.

I would like to see a single/duo/trio player larger but not to large cap/home ship. Large enough for two snubs or one light/med fighter. Couple of turrets. Tier 3 med bed. Exploration/defence… Drake Corsair upgraded/Consolidated Outland Druid??

I like exploration ships, a lot! I can see the Odyssey becoming my first MISC ship😊. Though I doubt true deep space exploration will be a thing, just base on current development I try to limit my SC channel subs to about 3, but I think you definitely earned a sub and like! I'm sure this channel will grow fast!

IMO the Odyssey needs to be able to refuel the Starfarer and it's tanks in the field, as well as internally docked ships. That could intern store and refuel other ships as needed without needing to go to a station or any other facility. Also The Odyssey should fly with a small fleet not too far behind including 2 Carracks a Starfarer and an Expanse. Rather than a StarTrek like mission it would be more like BattleStar Galactica with it's ragtag support fleet not far behind. This concept would also work for small pirate fleets as well.

It's over, cuz I got Endeavor. 😂

You forgot about the Repair Room in addition to the drones in the Carrack... There is also a great possibility that the Carrack will get a Refinery Module when modularity is implemented.

The Carrack definitely needs a buff at this point... definitely needs missiles or torps, its a former MILITARY pathfinder for god sakes... And they need to fix the Arrow so the wings can stay down when landed... why would Anvil not equip their premiere pathfinder with their premiere light fighter is beyond me... it's not like it doesn't fit

I own both so I won't lose in this debate, but I will be keeping tabs on features as the game progresses.

I prefer arguing not that I need to when the Odyssey is better

I've always said they are very different ships and there is scope for both in the game I own the Carrack but they Odyssey is pretty cool and there is flexibility enough once more systems come online e.g. the Terrapin is a pathfinder you'll definitely fit that in the odyssey, it might not be up to mapping jump points but it could be a nice addition to round off the ship and having different types and sizes of role ships for manufacturers is pretty cool too. That said I'll look more closely once the Odyssey is actually in game.

Maaaaaan, we can't have some concept ship that we won't be able to see out of (MISC) trying to take anything from the, long established, best ship in the verse. That's just silly.

CIG just needs to give Odyssey owners what they want as far as fueling other ships by making an external fuel port that you have to attach a hose to and carry over to the other ship to refuel , the catch is having to manually carry the hose over and the fuel you give pulls from your own tanks.. Fun and balanced

Devs did say that exploration will be performed through mfd and we'll be able to see and scan things that are far beyond our vision range. Plus many capital ships have second bridge deep inside the hull without any vision at all and Carrack should be able to fly with it's cockpit armor covering the view. So pilot visibility will not affect neither flying nor exploring. Mailslot is a MISC feature, it would look weird without it. Windows are important for touring ships that usually have large view angle for pilot and passangers. As for Odyssey cons, I'd add cold and minimalistic interior with bare metal walls. Hull-C turned out ugly with copy-pasted assets from Starfarer. Carack is cosier and more suited for long expeditions or a role of a home base. Also I'm not sure how Odyssey is supposed to mine quantanium with a single laser. For Mole it usually takes one powerful laser to break the main rock and a weaker one for secondary chunks. If you try to break smaller ones with the main laser they instantly blow up.

Has it been confirmed that the Carrack is intended to be able to operate repair drones? I always thought it should, but I only remember "exploration drones" being mentioned

Generally not a fan of the idea that longevity in the black = exploration. Maybe that's a failing on my part but the Carrack will be able to do far more once it gets there than the Odyssey. The Odyssey has no drones to repair itself or perform survey tasks like the Carrack does, it has no cartography deck, it has no advanced scanners or really any special qualities of any kind except the ability to refuel itself and carry a wider variety of ships in its bay. The Odyssey's biggest flaw is it's only mission specific abilities really tie down to what ship it carries in the hangar and it cannot refuel that craft with its mining capabilities. If it had been able to do so, I might have been tempted to pull the trigger. However, a ship who's primary role is to a mothership with infinite fuel and cannot use that fuel for the ship its carrying seems flawed in concept to me. Yes I know carrier ships of all kinds (Liberator, etc) will be able to refuel craft it carries via a manual process from ship stores but the Carrack hold's twice as much storage as the Odyssey so there goes that. I do like that the Odyssey is effectively a modular ship with the smaller ship it carries being the "module", but no ship it carries will make it a better explorer than the Carrack by any stretch of the imagination...with one caveat....we don't know how big a difference scanner size and specific bonuses from special stations will actually generate. If the difference is only so big and can be made up with a marginal bit of additional effort when exploring a new star system, I may re-evaluate.

No Need, have a BMM.

I love how the poor Aquila does not even enter this conversation... poor Connie Aquila.

Good night nurse. Yet ANOTHER video that doesn't understand the difference between these two ships. The Odyssey and Carrack are VERY different ships with completely different intended exploration functions. The Carrack is a deep space explorer. It has stellar cartography, exploration based drones and science oriented functions designed to detect and find things like jump points. The drones will work to explore connection points inside worm holes that connect systems in a temporary manner. The Odyssey is a planetary explorer. The reason it can mine its own quatanium is because it is a planet mapper. With the ability to do soil, mineral and topography analysis. The Odyssey is the ship you send out ahead of the Pioneer to explore a planet's surface. This video continues to pass along information further dividing the community on these two ships. The reality is we NEED both of them as one explores above the planet and the other explores on the planet.

The distance argument always seems to miss a very important point. SC will never have an Elite Dangerous amount of solar systems. Even when exploring newly discovered systems, you'll never be more than a couple of jumps from a refueling station, let alone a friendly Starfarer to meet up with you. The true advantage of the Carrack will be finding jump points that other ships can't detect, not for finding new systems, but for finding shortcuts to existing systems. CIG simply won't be able to make systems fast enough for infrastructure to not catch up.

The factor that impresses me most is the ability of people who play SC to be able to compare a ship that has already been launched and one that has not yet been launched. It's like comparing an RTX 4090 with an RTX 5090. There's no way to compare because it wasn't launched even though the company says it will have x specifications

I'll settle this debate in one sentence. Carrack exists and is already in game, everything about Oddysey is just a .jpg and can change anytime. Thank you.

the carrack is not the odyssey, because the carrack isn’t a capital ship. it’s a frigate, and it’s actually what the idris would have been if it didn’t get larger for the demands of sq42. the odyssey is massive, and is def one of the closest things we’re ever going to get to the enterprise in star citizen. the carrack is more like the defiant, which, honestly, being a ds9 fan, i actually prefer.

The Carack is a heavy intel gathering ship for PVP. Good sensors for spotting targets and relaying that data and while the odyssey has 3 duals s5 turrets, their positioning sucks and leave a lot of blind spots, like it was designed by someone who didn't know what a turret was suppose to do. if the two ships fought the Carack could always keep 6 S4 guns on the Odyssey while rolling to shield share. Every time the Odyssey rolls to let its shield recover its going to go from 4 S5 to 2 S5 and back which will negate its firepower and shield size advantage. In short, the Carrack is build more for being part of a PVP fleet, the Odyssey is built to go exploring.

Tractor beams built into the Odyssey doesn't matter. The Carrack is equipped with M3-A Multifunction Space Drones which are able to perform tug functions, it isn't a stretch to believe they'd be capable of moving cargo into the Carrack. These drones don't need to be replaced, as they are multifunction as the name implies. They have the capability of doing Rearm, Repair, Mining, and Salvage, of note however is that the Carrack can control NEMO drones like the Nautilus can. The difference being the Carrack can only use them to disarm mines, not recover them them.

I look at promised features as never coming to the game - once they are implemented, I then make decisions about how or what I want to get. Things like the drone bay for the Carrack seem really functional - but until I either see CIG putting a heavy amount of time into getting those live, or actually see in PTU - I'm going to assume that the Carrack will never have drones, despite there being "space" in the ship for it. As it looks right now - the Odyssey will have more to offer in PU once it releases than the Carrack will.

Carrack is love, Carrack is life

it'll be a hard choice for me, the carrack is great but it doesnt feel like a spaceship to me although right now it is my home ship. i got the carrack so i can use the pods for science and research on some planet i decide will be my game loop but since that seems to so far away from reality that the odyssey might be the better choice for my adventures and since cig already said they wont make ships fully realistic meaning we can take heavy ships to a planet surface and still be able to leave we kinda have no incentives to not go big

You can travel as far as you like by making your own fuel but you are still limited by food and water and equipment wear and tear

The Carrack's defense is inadequate, with only size 4 guns, making it vulnerable to attacks, especially from ships with size 5 guns that outrange it. Despite using it primarily as a mobile respawn point, I'm frequently targeted and destroyed (they think im hauling a ton of cargo), which defeats its purpose for me. Additionally, its hangar is quite restricted, and many of its systems aren't yet implemented in the game. These issues make it a clear target and highlight the need for a significant rework.

Considering what the Carrack was supposed to be 9 years ago in original concept...far before what it is now. Its a disappointing shell of its former self. It was Prometheus. Its size was closer to the 890 jump and had a larger vehicle bay and hangar with cool antennas and a radar dish. I melted my Carrack as soon as the odyssey was announced. You buy a concept ship expecting one thing only for it to be miniaturized.

i will explore the universe in a endeavour but own a carrack for the futurtre modulerity

Gameplay wise the carrack is the explorer ship, it will find the points and survive to make sure its safe. the odyssey is the long duration civilian colonizer type ship. it will go to point the carrack has scouted and land for long term operations. as it can supply its own oxygen and recycle water. The carrack wont be able to do long term planetary stays without resupply unless there is a modular bay for food/oxygen/water/and fuel. That being said the carrack can always team with a starfarer which can hold those supplies for it and potentially refill most things but food. so ideally what would be the best pairing for the carrack is a starfarer and a few food modules on the carrack. that way the starfarer can focus on fuel and maybe emergancy food and water in its tanks while also replacing the lost cargo space from the carrack. idk the prices right now but carrack plus starfarer will be around 1k and the odysse plus whatever you put inside will be around 1k.

I have a feeling that either the Carrack or the Odyssey are going to get a rebalance sometime in the future. It just doesn't seem right that a ship larger than the Carrack only needs a minimum of 1 crew while the Carrack needs a minimum of 4. And as far as the ability to mine quantum fuel goes, I would bet my Carrack that there is going to eventually be modules that let you sacrifice cargo capacity for the ability to mine and refine materials.

That was a great video.

When in doubt....buy them both!!!

The carrack needs some love from CIG or i can see owners dumping them if the odyssey comes out closer to its final state as many newer ships are.

The Ody can refine AND refuel itself? I thought it couldn't

I’ma just going to own both

I think you're mistaken if you think you'll be able to fully solo the Odyssey

Nope. Paul Jones is the only one that made that "claim", and then left shortly after. Also missiles are irrelevant, as a consumable you won't be mining those. The Odyssey is a long range "prospecting" ship at best, the Carrack is Mary Sue by comparison, and by the way I have both. 😏

I have both. Carrack is useless besides medbed. I rather use my 890 for that. Cargo hold is useless now. Rather use my m2 for that.

Melted the Odyssey. Finally started sinking in on how many years the Odyssey will be released and how many years before exploration is actually a thing that would benefit from a large ship like the Odyssey or Carrack. Years and years. Secondly, the Odyssey isn't really better at exploration. It's main advantages are a large hangar and mining it's own fuel. But even in Pyro CIG has added way more refuel stations than originally anticipated, effectively rendering the Starfarer, Odyssey etc useless. If this continues for the rest of the systems, there won't be much of a point to using the Odyssey. Thirdly, Carrack has better scanning, drones, modularity (which may allow it to do base building), and more guns. Odyssey just seems like a large cargo vessel that has a large hangar and can refuel itself. There's a lot more to exploration than simply being able to stay out indefinitely (which isn't even true since you will run out of supplies, unless crafting and finding food and water on planets becomes a thing, who knows). All of this can be fun to theorize, but at the end of the day, CIG is unreliable, tardy and double backs on many of the things they say. So....personally, I stay away from most long-term concepted game loops and the ships associated with them.

yes but carrack old update might change good good thumbed up

Carrack - exists Odyssey - does not exist Easy peasy

One is not out.. and the other is not even fully complete.. we don't know what they will change or add until they complete the carrack so well see when they are both gold complete 🤷

Here is the real debate, structural repairs when the odyssey comes out, and if fuel siphoning becomes a thing. The carrack has better turret coverage, better drone versatility, potentially modular pods that can be detached for small ground claims. better size to find changing jump point zones. and the biggest key part is the armor and that the carrack doesnt have many structural parts to damage. The odyssey is bigger, we can debate how well it can be defended. the guns are forward most it seems on a ship its size. It has all the systems to keep itself supplied long term except repair. even if it can fit a vulcan it wont be able to handle structural repair. Looking at many misc ships the engines are usually internal and not able to be destroyed but the odyssey has these bigger external engines. The mining ability and refining of the ship are good features but will take away power from the powerplant, and potentially leave you in a weakened state if attacked with whatever downsides refineries have in the future. If the odyssey ends up having more structural parts even with capital class shields it can be crippled much easier, at a minimum if the mining tools are structural and they become damaged it may loose that fuction all together. The most common threat would be the potential of hazardous mining conditions in the future, the odyessey has basic mining tools and it will have to position itself in dangerous areas to get the fuel it wants. so say a rock explodes and damages your mining tool or engine you will need to repair. or if you are in harsh enviroments that you dont want your players being outside in the carrack will be better suited for it especially if the carracks repair room ends up being able to fix and upkeep suits and tools. eventually even your everyday gear will break down. and the final point is depending on how exploration works which from what we have heard in the past is that long range scanners can pick up poi in space that are dynamic and spawn random things quantum travel might become less needed for explorer ships except for escaping danger or covering lost ground. all in all The carrack isnt just an exploration ships it is a military HQ for small ground operations aswell. as its cargo pods standard will be more able to rapidly deploy ground squads for pvp and its turrets will have better coverage of the field. To replace the odyssey the carrack would probably team up with a starfarer at most. while the odyssey to replace the carrack would need a vulcan if not a crucible. and we will need to see its scanning abilities and navigation.

Carrack is easy win for me military , repair bots, cargo modules can be refinery can be growing food and its not a misc ship :)

i own a betty and ill own this when it ever comes out lol .. give me ALLL da ships .. xD

I doubt the odyssey is gonna get the star map. This cartography map is gonna probably make the carrack better for exploration and discovering etc. But odyssey gonna be better to stay away on itself. So it's a different type of exploration.

still worried about that horrid mail slot - NO ONE LIKES IT... STOP.

I'll make sure to charge you more when I have to come refuel you with the starfarer lol (its broken in the game right now, why no one uses it, you can only request docking once, it won't prompt you after the 1 time) - and every station has fuel, wont be the circumstance in the future

I got a Carrack and love it, But fuck it i'll buy a odyssey aswell.. why not i just won't tell the mrs lmao 😂

Picking sides? Are they? I don’t see it.

Imo, you got it backwards: Carrack is an extra-system explorer - jump points and the unknown beyond charted space. It has less shields and offense because it will often be outside of reasonable range of hostility. Odyssey is an "industrial" explorer - poking around for resource discovery and POIs in a system. It has better defense/offense as it will more often be in hostile and contested space.

If youtube allow me, I'll like and comment each of your videos (6/130)

You had me right up to where you said the Odyssey was a better EXPLORATION ship than the Carrack. You equated exploration with range and that is a logical fallacy. Exploration is not just about going a long distance, it's about finding things of value when you get there. If you go into deep space and than came back with nothing you couldn't get locally were you really exploring? I think not. The goal of exploration is to discover valuable things. This makes the Carrack a superior exploration ship, second only to an equipped Endeavor. The problem is that the Odyssey has no dedicated scanning capability. You are expected to take a scanning ship with you which limits the size of the scanner to what will fit in the hangar ie a single size 2 or medium (terrapin) scanner or perhaps 2 Cutter Scouts. The Carrack has all the facilities for powerful large scanners built in AND a drone bay for long range probes which can scan large areas of a system simultaneously. If you want to talk about exploration then talk about what matters to exploration: scanning and computers, not just the maximum range. The Odyssey will disappoint many when they realize its only special capability isn't all that useful in practice and spending hours in quantum travel only to not be able to do much when you get there sucks. The Carrack can easily find undiscovered jump points and travel to other systems using less fuel than those taking the long, slow way.

Never understood the point of all this speculation when one of them isnt even in game yet. How can you possibly make an actual comparison.

Will the Odyssey make it to 4.0?

Not surprising. CIG always did shit on the Carrack.

Carrack and Odyssey slapfight until 600i rework hip checks them both. Until CIG can start adding star systems fast enough that they can afford to add some secretly, I don't think long range exploration will really be viable. So the ships will be judged more on their multiroll use. Modularity will be the Carrack's ace in the hole, mining and refining will be the Odyssey's IF they decide to give it more refining functionality. For the 600i, it will be soloability and tank hauling.

What debate? One exists, the other's a jpeg.

I might be wrong but I recall reading in the specs of the carrack that it had some sort of special Ion engine giving it almost infinite range.

i still love my galaxy :)

Get both

You lost me at 57 seconds in. Long live the Carrack!

The ONLY reason I didn't upgrade my Carrack to an Odyssey was the captain's quarters. But at the time, I didn't know the Odyssey could be operated solo...that changes everything because it makes it live up to the false advertisement for the Carrack.

Odyssey kinda just seems better, but carrack seems cheaper

The Carrack exists. The Odyssey doesn't, and probably won't for years. We have zero idea what the Odyssey will be, and I doubt CIG has more than a vague idea, too. Attempting to compare them is comparing reality with fantasy. Fantasy will always win. We can HOPE the Odyssey will be X or Y or Z. Hope it will be cool and fun and useful. But that is yet to be determined. So the Carrack wins by default. Despite the broken and missing state many of its systems are in. The cargo bay might never get fixed. Drones might never get implemented. Cartography might never happen. And still it would win because you can fly it around in the game, whereas the Odyssey you can only fly in your imagination.

The biggest problem is Misc ships are ugly. Rule of cool above all else.

The med bay in the Carrack is tier 1, while not in the Odyssey, meaning if you get injured with tier 1 injuries, you will have a very bad time with the odyssey if you are far away from civilization. Also a Carrack module should be able to make it's own fuel. That's obivously one of the most requested module for the Carrack. And the Carrack was sold saying it has not a lot of defense or a capital ship shield because it is heavily armored and should resiste a long period of time under enemy fire and be able to flee (when the Odyssey will have no more shield and have no armor when it will try to flee and jump under fire it will have a very bad time).