The man was a monster. He no doubt has appeared before God but how he was able to excuse his monstrous actions would have been interesting to hear.

​​@@rorymac7714I did not read of any death bed repentance made by him. Archbishop Thomas Cramner would hardly suggest to the king that be was a sinner in need of repentance.

Yes. How about the saints he murdered? St. John Fisher and Thomas Moore? Truly an evil king.

The ‘reformation’ is the worst thing that ever happened to the UK

@@Drumandbassplanet Hmm...well in fairness, socialism has quite a lot more to answer for with its dark crimes against humanity. So ill let Stalin's and Mao's and Pol Pot's actions slide i think.

I’d love to visit but quite conscious of the special vocation of these monks, and not want to gawk at them. You’re quite right the Salve is from the Benedictine monks of Norcia

And also orthodox monks from Mont Athos Greece

Orthodox monasticism is more strict than the Carthusians, especially on long divine services in church and many more Lenten periods.

Wow, en cual Cartuja ?

Except that their conventual daily High Mass in their Carthusian rite is now a novus ordo concelebrated Mass.

@@redmi9834yes this is very sad, but let us pray by the grace of God it will return to the traditional Carthusian rite, at least it’s still in Latin, and they do ad orientum in the grande charteuse, but still concelebration and communion in hand

It’s the ONLY congregation that hasn’t needed ‘reform’

@@bsms254 i wonder what is their secret? They could solve so many problems in Chtistendom...Rc, Protestant and Orthodox churches.

@@michaelciccone2194 The Carthusians didn’t need reform as they were never deformed. After the second Vatican Council the active orders in the Church really embraced breakneck speed changes, the deformation occurred in many congregations at this point. However, as with St Teresa of Avila, who reformed the Carmelites in the 16 Century (a predominantly Contemplative congregation) there were other congregations prior to Vatican two which sought reform. The Carthusians have been faithful to their ‘Customs’ (Consuetudines) as written by Guigo I (c1121), and have continued without much change perhaps their lives as hermits - living in one compound - doesn’t require much discussion and debate.

@@bsms254 very interesting 🤔...did the Carmelites loose professed members? I have fond memories. Of my days in seminary mid 1970s...a Cistercian monastery was near our Redemptorist novitiate OCONOMOWOC WI.....it was in Spring Bank near Ocauchee Wi...well they moved to Sparta WI...beautifull place new buildings...no more ! So sad 😞...

@@michaelciccone2194 I don’t know much about Carmelite and Carthusian statistics. They are both a particular calling to the contemplative life (but the Carmelites are comparatively active I think. The Carthusian life could be summed up as Praise/Intercession/witness. And as Guigo said “if we did not do it, it would be essential that others would take charge of it” Sadly the Redemptorist congregation has moved so far from the original charism with which St Alphonsus founded it in 1732. Instead we have fatheads such as Joseph Cardinal ‘nighty nite baby I love you’ Tobin in the USA and Tim Buckley in the U.K. and many others like them destroying what little that remain. Very sad indeed. St Alphonsus de Liguori is one of the greatest saintly doctors in the church ! And my favourite saint. Interestingly he suggested that the Redemptorists live an active life as a missionary and revert to being a Carthusian at home.

Did you not last longer? I love the lifestyle of those cloistered monks but not the rigours of the religious side of it.

@@hemiv8949 But the lifestyle is the religious rigour. What do you mean?

How was the trial? Would you tell us about your experience, please?

@@hemiv8949 must be tough when 20 yrs old

Please tell us about your trial period

Glad you enjoyed it!

Y supongo que un poquito de Fé también ¿no?.

Amen Genadi

Camaldolese are also contemplative

@@Regis596 and trappists. But yes, carthusians are the most secluded

There are Carthusian monasteries around the world

It is one of the largest with around 36 hermitages.

Indeed….even if just outside by the walls

Thomas Merton was a bit of a weirdo hippie. Would pay as much attention to him as to Fred Flintstone who said yabadabadoo

@@bsms254 looool

@@bsms254 judgment is for the One whose shoes are bigger than yours

@@sophiafara5997 However, there is some truth to his references regarding Thomas Merton. Even in the Trappists there is great division regarding him.

We are proud of it!

The rain is a sign of the graces of God pouring on this great land, a land inhabited by Angels not just Angles. It is the greatest country on earth today

@@bsms254 Beautifully well said. I wish I could see the positivity in your tone for this nation which I call my home. (Often get depressed because of the rain)

@@DrStrange1000England, the dowry of Mary will always have a special place in Christendom even with its current state

@@Christ_is_King- Well said. Thank you

He didn't. He was just outside of the monastery. U can't go inside. It's sacred land, no one who aint part of the community can go inside.

I drove there. It’s near the village of Cowfold, in West Sussex. If you are a man and want to explore your vocation to the Carthusian way of life you can visit there and live there. If you are a Catholic Priest or male religious then you can ask to do a retreat there. Otherwise if you want to become an extern oblate you can visit inside too. I’m afraid if you’re just curious or if you are a female then you cannot enter. But, INTO THE GREAT SILENCE is an excellent film on Le Grand Chartreuse in France, and their life would be much the same. Park Minster cloisters are much larger than Grand Chartreuse, as it was built to accomodate monks evicted from two charter houses in France by Napoleon. I hear that the monks get around inside on bicycles.

@@bsms254 Hello, thank you for that. I've watched bits of the documentary. I was exploring a vocation to the Carthusian way of life at Park Minster (because they speak English), and so I sent them an email but I never heard back. And now, with the travel restrictions to the UK, it does not seem possible within the foreesable future. I deeply admire their silence and solitude though. It's awesome!

Th only part open to the public is in the small extern chapel dedicated to St Roseline on Sundays at 10am for a low Carthusian rite Mass.

@@bsms254 Yes I remember the bike one of the brothers used around the very long cloisters.

As a former Jesuit recently remarked, "I don't think that the Jesuits are Catholics anymore!" No wonder he transferred to another community.

The Jesuits were one of the worst for excesses during the time of the post Vatican Iiturical experimentation period. I walked out at one of their productions that they were passing off as the Holy Mass.