Me too

It is on here… but in person I will say the margin increases

When I feed my computer into the DAC of the system that was used I can hear the differences blindly… not quite as well as the original recording (24/96 FLAC) but still there by and large… I always test it this way to make sure it translates after it got to KZfaq… I try NOT to redline the levels and to use every trick possible to get the KZfaq copy to sound its best but they do what they do 😃

Thank you kind sir!

Thanks for watching. Do keep in mind the black retails for over &200 MORE than this MC

@@BensAudioCave Hey, oh I live in Germany. At33ptg2 is about 599€ and the Ortofon 2m Black is about 590€. But I guess you can get both a little cheaper. Btw. what would you prefer? Also in terms of longevity? Thank you for your Videos! Very interesting content!

There is a better pre now and you’re right… but for this comparison it was cheaper level playing field… I don’t like step up transformers

​@@BensAudioCave Hi Ben great video... What is the reason why you don't like step up transformers? Im between deciding whether I need one.

@@niravp426 not enough flexibility

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You’re not wrong… I will say loading the AT33 a bit lower at 76 ohms has made a world of difference

Record was cleaned but this was a circa 2010 issue and it is a bit noisy

@@BensAudioCave Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I figured you would’ve cleaned it beforehand. I really enjoyed your recordings of the cartridges. The difference in sound quality in each cart could be heard pretty clearly even through the KZfaq filter. I really dig what you’re doing with your channel. Great stuff! Looking forward to more. Thanks again! 👍🎶🙂🔊✨

I have tried all those... The soundsmith are nice but pricey... I have a DL-103R and Dynavector 10x5 with a ruby retip... They were good but just not quite my cup of tea... The AT33PTG2 has really been my favorite so far! Recently discovered it sounds even better loaded a bit lower... If I had $1000 to spend it would be that cart and a Parasound zPhono XRM

PTG33II had less than 20 hours on it

You are about to be happy!

@@BensAudioCave Got it and I’m really enjoying if! Just like you said , Ben: it delivers detail with class, refinement , without ever sounding shouty. It does lean a bit on the warm side on my already warm sounding Linton Heritage speakers, but not muffled! Thank you very much!

I do and KZfaq kills a lot but this is level playing field of an Emotiva pt-100

Funny… they are what I had on hand…

@@BensAudioCave I'd like to hear a JiCO SAS/B on the Shure. I've considered that. Also, can you tell me when you bought your AT33? I see yours has a glossy finish. I'm trying to find one right now (usa), and I might have to order one from a seller in Japan. Trying to figure out if the finish and lettering changed and when. In other words I am trying to avoid buying one that has been sitting around for 4 years. At least in the pictures the one shown on the AT site the body is flat black.

@@scottmcclements7566 well I ordered it off Amazon here: amzn.to/3Gk1fSJ now as far as the SAS is concerned I had one before the vivid line… here were my conclusions and my audiogon review of it: forum.audiogon.com/discussions/lp-gear-n97xvl-vivid-line-contact-stylus-for-shure-m97xe-also-compared

@@BensAudioCave Strange that it had inner groove distortion. Isn't the SAS profile basically a Microlinear? I would have expected none. Which alignment geometry do you use? Perhaps the suspension was always compromised and the SRA was never right.

@@scottmcclements7566 well it’s not out of the realm… it is a line contact but it is BONDED… so I dances but that sometimes hurts… I used the Technics version of the Stevenson

Do it and you won’t be disappointed!!!

It’s 192 at HD and I have the untouched files but that’s copyright infringement 😞

@@BensAudioCave Sorry but let me correct that misnomer. Having files of what you personally recorded and given out for demo purposes is not copyright infringement. I am in the film/tv/music industry for over 25 years and if it were true 1000's of people would be breaking the law by handing out there demo reels but in fact we are not breaking the law since it is for demo purposes only. If you sold these commercially then that a different story.

@@mattmoshercom distributing them online though kind of crosses that line, though… the artists here get the money from any ads… but yeah wish there was a higher res platform

@@BensAudioCave Yup I totally forgot about the monetization. But, I want to thank you for making your videos and covering topics that are interesting and done really well.

@@mattmoshercom thank you! That rally does mean a lot!

The quintet is actually a line contact not a microline… I was comparing price point really… and honestly the shibata of the Ortofon I have figured out isn’t my cup of tea… tried the quintet black… the ML, boron, and compliance profile of the AT33 is just other worldly at the price point… currently mounted on an AT LP-7 turntable

Little bit of surface noise but hey life has surface noise LOLz 😂

@@BensAudioCave Right!

I actually like the PTG better with the mani than this one…

The 103 is a super low compliance cart and needs plenty of mass… I think the AT33 would be a good fit either this PTG/2 or even the AT33EV if elliptical is your thing…

My Acoustic solid record player came with a free Denon 103 cartridge, it works fine, even more then fine, just missing the dynamics and detail of the Shelter, the funny part is that the Denon does have advantages that many more expensive cartridges don’t have and that what made it popular (relaxing sound, very authentic instrument sound). Ps, In order to get the best of the 2 worlds I ordered from EBay the Hana MH, hopefully there won’t be any issues with the order.

Isn’t it funny how the AT retails for like $100 more than the AT? And for those who say you need an expensive phono preamp… this video was with the internal MC and MM preamp on the Emotiva PT-100!

@@BensAudioCave I have an AT 33EV and was interested to hear the 33PTG/iii I have heard a 2M Black and also preferred the Nagaoka MP300 I do also have an MP200 so its between the PTG/iii and the MP300 for me right now. (For MC I have an AT630 xformer)

@@Geoff0711 I’ve had several Nag’s and the only one that I found truly great was the MP500… even then the AT blows it AWAY! Now that said; there is probably more sound in the tank than that SUT is affording you… Loading on the MC’s helps shape the sound… almost like an EQ… you can alter the voicing of the cart somewhat… a little higher for more brilliance; a little lower for neutral and a little lower even more for a more bass heavy sound… the AT33’s like loading between 50 and 150 I find depending on what’s connected downstream… in the video mine is loaded at 100 ohms… in my daily listening I have it loaded at 72 ohms… one thing to consider is a better preamp and the best thing I’ve found under $1000 is the Parasound x zPhono XRM that gives you infinitely variable loading from 50-1200 ohms and an XLR output you can use adapters with to achieve up to 66db of gain… at $500 I’d probably buy it before another cart… Also you can have two turntables attached (one moving magnet and one moving coil). Here is the link to that piece of equipment: amzn.to/3ZJEe5m

@@BensAudioCave Thanks that's really helpful and interesting, definitely food for thought. A lot of considerations here for me. Currently using the AT33EV /SL1200G Jelko HS 25 Mg headshell and Achromat. Comparisons of all sorts have been made and committed to CD for review. Old deck was a Gyrodec with Techno arm, similar comparisons were found on that too. The MP200 vs the AT33EV, on a given set up, showed mixed positives, The AT was more fluid in the mids and slightly sweeter at the top with a weightier bass. But the bass was tighter and more controlled on the MP200 (AT a touch flabby) and the mids and presence more tactile and real also on the MP200. That's the short version as a summary, so I am considering the AT33PTG/iii only thing , for me, with MC is the difficulty with replacement styluses. I kept my AT630 SUT as I liked the sound years back over several other options including an Ortofon MCA76 For the rest of the Phono stage I have a small Art DJ pro ii with capacitance loading and level control - it works better than the price might suggest and far better than any Amplifier Phone stages I have used. Comparing with the 2M Black the PTG/iii in your test, the PTG sounds 'more better' then in another test of 10 carts where I also heard the MP300 and 2M Black ~ and preferred the MP300. So I suspect either MP300 or PTG/iii will be better than the AT33EV ... I just cannot find anywhere on the internet a comparison with the MP300 (or 500 ) with the PTG/iiiAnyway I am really enjoying your tests and comparisons and talks -- keep up the good work Geoff C

I know right? It’s pretty crazy

Well of course if you aren't listening on your actual stereo... Just a guide to help folks on the fence.

@@BensAudioCave I was making a joke. Keep up the good work!

@@54tristin I figured as much way being cheeky myself 😄

Honestly the AT33PTG/2 and it has just gotten better and better as time has went on: amzn.to/3ArCnJm

However, I will give an honorable mention and that is the ATVM95ML I acquired for the Fisher table seen in other videos... It outclasses the Black (IMHO) and that is something for a $170 cart amzn.to/3SRKCFE

Same!!!

I have relegated the black to the office table

You know, it was my standard forever… you don’t realize how cold something sounds until you A/B it… always knew it was brutal to any imperfection but not to the extent evidenced here… Thanks for watching!

Thanks for watching