Those cars are more for people that REALLY love them and can work on them by themselves, if you have 0 mechanical knowlege and you're counting on a Mechanic to fix them for you, don't even consider it

A friend of mine has a 928, and from his experience with the car I definitely recommend not getting one.

I had a 928 at 167mph and could feel the front end going lighter and lighter 💩

For sure. I think this series is great if you come to it understanding that it's not really about what is and isn't a bad car (though it might seem that way sometimes) it's more about what's a good/bad car if you aren't going to get your hands dirty.

Apt user name !! lol

stay away from any car from tyler hoover its a good warnning

💀☠️💀

Any vehicle Hoovie has driven or ridden in...

But if you buy it after he fixes everything it could be a good deal.

specially if it was on a track

I would've bet money on it making the don't list.

It's known to be the best engineered Porsche of the 80s. Better handling and the turbo would kill any 911 in the track with just a ECU chip.

Best car I ever had

they are good cars

Not as much. 1977-82 924 owners probably were, and I’m surprised the 914 was the car not to buy over the 924.

This experience of stupendous driving is mostly because the boxster is like a metal canoe on good coil overs. What I mean is, the body is rigid only on the bottom to get tight, accurate steering and grip. To sacrifice cost, they take out most of the top support of the car. The interior is also another piece in which they dump $$$ in to give the illusion of luxury at a scarily low cost. As long as you are not in the market for rolling it over or driving for more than 50k miles they’re a great pick. Hence why they are disposable mobiles for billionaires and travelers alike.

Excuse me? 50,000 miles, please.

@@kenmacphee7400 it was in 2004

@@AZEOforreal I’ve seen 986s & 987s with 100,000s of miles on them. So long as you look after them, replace the IMS and don’t buy a 3.4 they shouldn’t give you too many issues

Speed yellow exterior with red interior? Some people love that combo but it makes me think of McDonald's

Indeed, and 5.0 32v euro models from like '86 are not slow, plus it's meant as a high speed touring car not a sportscar

@@jeroenorriens2590The engines are also pretty to look at and you can see the motor. As a kid I liked the rear seats a LOT. Great car for kids! Supple leather all around. Much better than 944 for a young kid.

True.

Well, I guess they belong in museums

928 is on middle age guys dream cars list because of Risky Business.

Well said. Car Wizard, and others, have many war stories about people reaching too far and getting something they can't (or won't) spend the money on.

Here's a better idea. Buy a service manual and tools. Professional mechanics already have plenty to do from people who won't soil their hands with doing their own mechanical work.

@@houseofno True. I think a 944 would be a good car for the DIY mechanic/ weekend warrior.

@@taunuslunatic404 I have one and it is. Most jobs are fairly easy and you really just need a basic wrench set and a torque wrench and you can do 90% of the work on it.

@@taunuslunatic404 Sort of. The major issue with all these cars is that while they are mechanically very simple to work on, you are still paying Porsche prices for parts. Even if you go aftermarket, some of the 944 platform parts are silly money (I'm very familiar, owning a 968). Not for the faint of heart.

The first gen Panameras are a lot uglier than the Taycan

Let's be honest Porsche would probably be out of business if they didn't make an SUV and a four-door. It's saved Porsche. But also degraded the Porsche name all in one shot. The electric cars might bring them back to a better status. I don't know for sure if people are going to accept an electric 911 though.🤔

@@samfuller6273 I assume the reaction will be similar to the 996 when it first came out.

@@samfuller6273 As long as they stick all the batteries behind the rear axle to throw off the balance, it'll be all fine... Porsche has been saved so many times by the cars that Porsche purists look down upon. The 944, the Boxter etc etc. All this so they can keep making a car that makes absolutely no sense mechanically (don't get me wrong, I love the 911 but it's a car that wouldn't exist if it was designed today).

@@JVR_Funwithdesignmust do something right to make it one of the most successful race cars ever

I was wondering which year to buy. Thanks for the info.

I have a 2010 pan turbo. It’s black so hides it big butt. It’s has carbon brakes and Burmester and sport seats. Crazy good deal. It’s also minty. Cheers

What year do you have thinking about a 2005 for daily

@@d3m0niccity16 If the budget can stretch, I recommend getting a 2009 car or later.

@theeditor1072 What car do you have in your garage? (I'm assuming you're old enough to have a driving licence).

@TheEditor107 tired trope, tiny mind.

@@pervertt I have a drivers lisemse but not a car. Yet

Agreed! That being said I’m a huge fan of wagons. I’m not a fan of the first gen Panamera though.

They are way less hideous now. To be fair, that was the only direction they could go...

The shooting brake one, looks amazing!

agreed!

😂😂

Yep, I had several. Great cars.

Check out the youtube videos of 944's with Small Block Chevy Engines...

Some? we talking about 3? 4? not 2 right?

Torque tube bearing went bad on mine. One of the biggest headache I ever had.

@@h5mind373 Are they MONEY PITS??? I mean, how much would it cost just to keep the average 944 running each year?

If it's good enough for Tony Montana...! 😀

The simplicity of the curves, interior look and feel and the cool wheels all made it special

The peeling-out scene at the mall in WS is what hooked me! Was that one dark blue or black ?

@@MasterArmedforces I’d have to watch the movie again..

The ones to not buy is any Subaru with a Boxer engine coz they have head gasket failure and the Continuous Variable Transmission made by JATCO. So basically avoid all Subarus unless you have an extended warranty otherwise be prepared to spend a few thousand dollars for an engine rebuild and/or a CVT rebuild

@@JH-jm8ib I used to work in a restaurant and my assistant manager bough an automatic transmission WRX. He got teased by staff and customers.

@@JH-jm8ib they all have boxer engines 🤣

I had a 1987 manual Subaru DL that went 225,000 miles with nothing but regular maintenance. No problems and I sold it still running well.

@@JH-jm8ib lies. boxer engine is great

I am very curious, did you buy it ? if yes how is it ?

Bingo! Right on target there !

I concur, will be mine as well

If reliability is something that you value, I'd avoid the Taycan, or any EV for that matter

Don't buy Taycan! It's been told in China to be getting lots of failures. You might regret trust me.

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@@jordanbell4420 lol wtf is this comment, I've had a Taycan for years with no issues at all

Ya. I loved the modern design of the 928 & everybody said it wasn't great, although better than the 944 "poor man's Porsche". So, disappointing, but not really a gutpunch for me

@@petestanton1945 def not better than 944s maybe 924s & 914s

I agree. Especially the rear of the car. I like the early taillights.

@@ashezplayboy 928 definitely better than the four cylinder 944.

I love my 944 so I have to pay respects to the 924 for making it possible but man I have a early 944 so same interior but a Porsche engine and man it's a blast with a good mpg

Huggie bear character?

There really is no comparison between a torque converter automatic transmission and a modern dual clutch transmission, which is really an electronically controlled "manual" transmission. The difference is between rowing a stick or flicking a paddle.

The PDK would change your mind.

I really wanted a manual when I was looking at 911 turbos. But I ended up finding a deal on one with an auto that I simply couldn't pass up. It was $20k less than any comparable manual I had found over the 6 months I was looking. I couldn't justify paying $20k+ more for a manual over an auto.

@@yorbalindason Wrong. I've driven multiple PDKs. None of them hold a candle to a real manual. And they never will.

​@@yorbalindasonI completely agree! My 911 has a PDK, I'm so used to manual but the PDK completely changed my mind! What a transmission, it's just difficult to explain how it holds the gears, down shifts so incredibly, everything about the PDK transmission is just mind blowing to me!!! Until someone really drives it, it's not something that can be explained. They are so different and just so impressive!

Be alert though: As much as I adore the 930, too, they are monsters! This is one of the very first - if not THE first turbo'ed production car (putting the limited run BMW 2002 turbo aside I think it is only challenged by the Saab 99 turbo). And boy, does it show: As the wizard said: These are blisteringly fast... yes... IF you know what you're doing, that is. There really isn't THAT much power going on at lower revs. OK, it's still 1970ies Porsche kinda quick but be prepared for when the turbocharger kicks in. And it does quite literally KICK in. It pretty much feels as if the car had been hit by a giant hammer from behind. And since it's still both RWD and rear engined of course, this one will not hesitate for the smallest fraction of time to hang its whale tail out, get you into spinning wildly and - pretty literally, too - take your head off. The car has tremendous grip but when that grip ends it does so in the blink of an eye. So make sure you have plenty of space around you as "Transition to oversteer" really isn't in this car's vocabulary. It honestly is one of the trickiest things to go fast in. Scaringly so. And it has my deepest respect whenever I get to drive one (which hardly ever happens these days as they have become obscenely expensive - at the time of writing). The best 0-62 time I ever came up with was something like 5.5, 5.6 seconds. Which - admittedly - is exactly what Porsche themselves quoted for the first series, 250hp 930 turbo. You may want to consider, though, that in ANY other Porsche I timed over the years (including non turbo 911s, late 4WD 911s, 924 and 944 - turbos and naturally aspirated) and 986 Boxster) I managed to undercut the factory quoted times by around 0.3 to 0.8 seconds. Not in this one, though. Not in a million years. Of course you may say that other / earlier 911s are even more tail-happy and you are probably right (I have yet to drive a 1960s or early 70s 911 myself) BUT those were either MUCH less powerful or - if they at least get close to the 930s first series' 250 hp (like the holy grail of 911s, the Carrera RS) they had much narrower tyres and a much more linear supply of power. o if you are a haöf-decent experienced driver you will know where it starts to get a bit skittish. You will need a sensitive foot on the throttle, yes, definitely. But the Carrera RS won't asassinate you the way a recklessly driven 930 turbo will. In short: If it's adrenalin you're after: Get a 930 today. If you want anything else to go along with that adrenalin, you may want to have a look around at other models. ;-)

Not really. Have had two and will not have another. My thought is always that people who say it's the Porsche to have, or the best 911 etc. are the people who have not lived with one.

I used to destroy 930 Turbos in a 1957 VW Oval window with a 2 liter and 48 IDA Webers. Stoplight to stoplight that is.😉

I went on a road ride in my 18 GT3 with my buddy in his 17 Macan S. I was impressed with its speed and quickness. Really a car with 2 personalities

As a Macan owner (multiple Porsche as well), I looked at it more as a "lifted car" than an SUV. It slots in for those who kinda need a touch more space than the 2-doors but don't want a Cayenne. The Cayenne drove more like a muscle truck, than a car.

Just got a 2018 macan turbo I honestly don't think the interior is that bad I just feel like that put to much buttons in the middle console but so far it's been fun and havnt has any issues has bumper to bumper warranty so I ain't to worried about it either way

The typical Macan buyer could not get in and out of a Porsche sports car, sitting low and stretched out. Since they're on every street the whole image of a Porsche driver is now a grandma

That segment just showed a complete lack of understanding of the Macan line. The Turbo and perhaps the GTS is an entirely different animal and the 3.6 is one of the smoothest turbocharged engines they've produced. The air suspension is pretty special as well and the entire package would put a lot of sport sedans to shame.

I had a 2010 Panamera S with 190,000 miles and it was incredible! Fast and super comfortable at high speed. I bought a Cayenne S because I needed to tow but enjoy yours sir!

@@lifeatitsbest410how was maintenance on it? I found one for 15k, dealer maintained (2010 4S) with 115k miles on it. It’s in great shape and I prefer the older style as well.

@@emiliancailean4871 maintenance was no different than any of my other cars. Fairly cheap to run and not a lot to go wrong on a N/A car.

That's what I'm sayin' Jake! Check out my comment sir!

Where did you get a 928 for $400?

@@demetriosb5758 I traded the guy a sl500 for it which I got for 1k and he gave me back my 928 (I sold it to him 4 months prior) and 600$

I like 928 too. Looks iconic.

yup I know a guy with one he is restoring

Yeah I test drove one and eventually ended up buying a 911 instead, but always sort of regretted. The 911 was fast but that 914 was a fun little go-kart! Now and for the past several decades they're all rusted out.

Same

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914 was a car designed partially by Porsche for VW-Audi, but they didn't want to use it.

finger? they were/are balls deep in most of them XD

@@sully676 And theyve straight up owned them for the better part of 50 years

ID argue that VW been involved since the beginning. Fernidan Porsche designed the first VW beatle and the first Porsche.

@@boyscouts5000 true, but there were less VW/Audi parts on the older Porsches than the modern ones.

I disagree with him on the 928. That's the Porche I would want. They look like nothing else.

@port nut I know the price of parts is terrible, but we have the internet and you tube now for figuring things out. If they can fix my eyes next year and I can drive again, I'm probably going for a pre 1992 or 3 Mercedes when they were still analog cars. However I would love a 928 if I found one that was well sorted and not skyrocketed price.

Definitely agree

lol forgot about the 924

I would have more than 3 boats!

AKA if Hoovie was around in the 70s

you'd have to swim in 50 olympic swimming pools filled with money and welded together for a 74 RS lol

Agreed, my family had a 2014 GTS and it was awesome. Also, the Wizard doesn't realize how much more spacious they are compared to the Taycan. I have endless room in the Panamera, but in the Taycan my head touches the ceiling at 6 foot.

Panameras are great cars and the newer models look gorgeous. The ultimate family car.

You should drive the turbo, oh boy its fast.

@@harrisonsiegel9536 That's interesting. What about the Taycan Cross Turismo wagon? Is the headroom any better with that?

I'm owning a Panamera 4S. This is the best car I have ever owned.

Preeeecisely.. tthis guy is just full of crapola.

Not on the 928 he isn't. You can't assess a 928 until you've done a few thousand miles in one.

Come on man. If given a choice with unlimited money (like he did with the 911 RS from the 70s) you are NOT going to take a Boxster over any 911 from the 90s and there are some incredible 911s in the 90s.

The Boxster S did not even exist in the 90's - just the boxster. His recommendation to buy a 1974 RS 3.0 is laughable. They are even rarer than a Carrera GT - and the price is about a million.

@@morganvon5664 that being said, how sweet would it be to have a 74 RS? I wonder if Wizard would convert one to a tip if he did get his hands on one. 🤔

No 959😞😂

Had a Panamera Turbo S - super fast & fun when driven aggressively, but as daily driver it’s not too comfy plus even w warranty I was always nervous about repairs. One day I might get Panamera V6 w standard suspension.

Now you're talking!!!

Absolutely!

Proud owner of one here

In the Porsche world I've always been a '911' guy.

Exactly how good are the 968 Porsches?

Do you mean 1989?

964 & 993 are cream of the crop for 911's

Me, too.

Very true. Car Wizard shows his ignorance by saying 'all 928's are junk'. That is utter nonsense and untrue. I've owned an S and S4, and as we both know they are awesome to drive with extremely high build quality. They are expensive to maintain, but so are many high-end sports cars. I would buy a GTS any day if I could find one in my area.

928 GTS manual !! Yes sir!!!

Totally agree. Car Wizard talks absolute nonsense. I had an S and S4 and they were both awesome, fast, (I reached 257kph in my S4 with plenty to spare!), are very comfortable with extremely high build quality as you know. The later models have also aged very well. They are expensive to maintain, but so are many sports cars.

He's completely out of his mind talking about the 928. My dad has a silver one and it's beautiful. He gets asked all the time if it's a new car and it's fast! Unreal engineering. Dumb opinion.

@@andrewb4470 my 1987 928S4 with 165, 000km costs less in maintenance and repairs than my 2010 Mercedes c200cgi which has had so many failures and only 40,000km. My 928 is a joy to own and drive which is why I have kept if for 27 years.

@@simonmiles8315 Thank you for your reply, Simon. Your S4 sounds excellent and you have been wise to keep it! Mine was also an '87 model, manual gearbox, silver blue in colour with midnight blue interior. I also imported the teardrop mirrors which made it look even better, hard to believe as that is! I unfortunately had to sell it as I relocated overseas. Wish I still had it as I enjoyed it immensely. What colour is yours, if I may ask?

@@andrewb4470 mine is also silver with dark blue interior. It is a joy everytime I get behind the wheel even after so many years. The Wizard has no right to tell the world "just dont buy one" based on his limited experience. The 928 was in production for 17 years. A long time for "such a bad car"..🙄

What about an early 4 that's converted to a six cylinder? Bad idea? I have a bead on a '73 1.7 litre and I'm wondering if the conversion would just ruin it at this point.

New battery tech could make it very good to get an old one and put new batteries in, if Porsche can be hacked to do that.

The taycan turbo s was excellent when I was in one right as they were delivered to the dealership. However I think that the 911 turbo is the best overall car that porsche makes.

I prefer the experience of ICE vehicles over EVs myself. With that said when it comes to performance it's important that ICE vehicles can be modified to beat any EV if desired.

@@sutherlacd27 only by putting in an engine from a nitro burning top fueller drag car with 1200hp.. at maybe 1mpg

@@cruiser6260 lol a modified r8 driven on the street is faster than the world's fastest purpose built electric drag car

@@sutherlacd27 I see the best R8 has basically the same 0-60mph , 1/4 mile and torque as the Taycan. I found the fastest modified R8 with 3000hp (5x more power than standard) set a 7.695 1/4 mile and the fastest EV set a 7.48.

Dang. I don't think any 987 are that price any more.

I got my '06 Cayman S for $20K with 65000 miles on it 2 years ago. I hardly ever drive my other cars anymore. I love it.

Got my 2010 cayman S pdk sport chrono 2 years ago for $26k. Great car

@@armatar Do you have to drop the engine to change spark plugs since it's mid-engine? Like what maintenance stuff requires the engine to be out?

@@SI0AX you can get to most things without dropping the engine. Plugs are reachable from the sides once I have it up on the quickjack with the wheels off, the top engine cover comes off for the air filter and other things, and front engine cover comes off behind the seats for belts, quite amazing really.

914 and 911 are on different class, wat you on about

@@hybridAbsol Just mentioning one often overlooked fact. The 914 could beat the 911 on the track. You just needed two things: 1) a 911 engine instead of a VW, and 2) so much rain that the rear engined cars spun backwards off the circuit. Those early 911s were better on a rally stage when the pendulum effect of the rear weight bias and short wheelbase would flick a good driver around a tight corner. A wet track could turn that benefit into a curse.

@@paulrobinson3649 lets hope it doesnt roll

I agree. The headlights come from the 911 GT1 that won Le Mans in 1998.

The car is great but had major safety issue that was later redesigned that the clutch cable made too sharp a turn and would randomly snap. This occurred x3 in mine. There were stories of people shifting during a pass and nearly getting killed by this defect.

Does it mean all S through 00-06 are "a go" ? Or any Boxster through 1999 is "a go" as Porsche was fearsome of bankruptcy? Also, how reliable is PDK that it was recommended?

His view is formed by seeing all the poor examples still floating around on the market. Not to mention slow and federalized. I can guarantee you he hasn't seen or driven a good example RoW spec version.

We're not even close to there. Plus, the faster you charge, the quicker the battery degrades. Some progress.

I’d like to know long term reliability with the expected cost of battery replacement being so high.

It's a different paradigm altogether, y'all. Your house is your gas station. Every time you get home, you plug in the car. My Fiat 500E only goes 80-90 miles on a charge and I've never used a public charger in the year I've owned it. Current EV's aren't the best solution for some people, but for most folks' average daily use, they're hard to beat.

@@L0VEGL0VE Yeah, I own a 2013 S. Battery capacity has gone down a bit over the years, but I average about 3.5 cents a mile with my electric rate. Sometimes when I drive I can get it down to about 2.5 cents a mile.

1997 I wanted a used 928, drove q few manuals, ALL were rattling with one thing after the other. Ended up buying an LS400 (laughter) because V8, RWD…

@@computerhelpccJapanese luxury means less stress! Enjoy!