Fantastic and thank you for the leap of faith. I appreciate your sharing the results to inspire others to make the changes needed!!!

You could grind off the peg feelers fold them up with your calves and you could put you feet flat.

@@highlanderfreelancer4553 Could But You Feet is my A-1 clown phrase of the week.

@@gregp103 it was a typical put not but whoops

@@highlanderfreelancer4553 Typical Put Not But Whoops is my A-2. your* feet. Try another edit.

and informative.

ShakespearesBruv same here bro I own Ducati lol

I had to make a comment to get him off of 666 though, lol.

@@billyballbell which town is that?

Like all you yanks .... loads of information that’s not needed you Americans are all about racing in a straight line !!!!! I watch how you lot go round a track and it’s funny , you Americans are slow !! What I will say is it’s good to see girls on the track ! No one in England uses a tape measure What a jobs worth!! Different ppl ride differently she seemed happy the way the bike was ! I ride a 03 Cbr600rr and I love it Some one comment here ! Come Europe I’ll meet u bet you go home faster,....£400 a day on the track with a new bike , r6 ,gsxr zx6 that is 400£ on the track 115£ a day with a bike , This man is full of bolloxed

@Dar u mean the guy that looked like lorenzo?

@Dar sorry i have replied to the wrong person.haha

He said OK to everything haha

💀

Lol. He definitely seemed uninterested and zoning out.

She was cute though.maybe it felt like it moved around to much at the back so she stiffened it up a bit

There is nothing wrong in experimentation, most of the people never do any adjustments.

True, i lowered my handlebars just to look cooler, and it's actually detrimental by making my ride less comfortable..

@@chrisredfield3240 it's the preload that moves "weight" of the bike forward. Stock it's at 3rd notch. I moved mine to 6 so it became alot more planted in the corners. And still pop some wheelies.

He does sound like a douche and is pretty condescending when he speaks about certain things, for instance @5:08 (everybody throws those away), the majority of people don't throw them away, he makes it sound like just have to open your house door in the morning and find unused brand new springs laying around. I would be interested to hear what the Engineers at Yamaha think of this suspension criticism when you call it a " Catastrophically Bad Problem". A Catastrophically Bad Problem would not remain unsolved on one of the most popular naked bike in the World (and I don't even own one).

Dave: ....also, for the time being I'd add a few extra bounces on the rebound.

And a thicker drink

lmao

Random dude: my girlfriend left me, broke the tv, and took the dog. Dave: unbind the rear shock and you won't be riding a pogostick.

Thanks for sharing you results from the changes made so others can benefit from your experience! Enjoy the better handling you now have but remember that when the pogo starts again, the oil needs to be replaced.

careful what you wish for!

She may not know anything about suspension, she might be a nuclear engineer...........

Basic stuff most mx racers know but road riders dont. Great video.

How much oil do the front suspension rods carry when changing the oil seal on Yamaha MT 07 2015?

Yes, you forgot to rise the height of the fork about 10mm ;)

@@davidfpv4969 eight mm.

@@datpat2475 415 cc.

Exactly why don't motorcycle dealers do this when they sell the bike? What exactly do they do for their 30%?

@@truantray They want it to break. Just like how car dealership want parts on the car to break to make money.

@Bob Sacamano "Don't do any modifications to your bike unless you can be certain it is appropriate for your riding conditions" tell that to Yamaha, who decided zero rear sag and a near solid front end was a good idea on a bike ridden by predominantly beginners. Or do you think having suspension that is not compliant at all and wants to bounce around enough to throw you from the bike is better for the road? He's not giving the girl in a shop carpark a track recommendation, he's giving her a better baseline that can be fine tuned for whatever work she wants to do after the fact.

Bob Sacamano That's blx. Sag setups are a no brainier for any bike track or road. How many bikes had no static sag. Do you have that on your road or track bike ?

@@DenvarShay I am willing to wager that zero sag is blown out of proportion. If this was absolutely true, you will see a lot of deaths and a massive class action lawsuit. This is only one man's opinion.

Welcome! Thanks for discovering the channel and I have no doubt you will enjoy the content and make some changes to your motorcycle(s)!

Is that a British accent

He's not cutting the fork... There's an internal spacer above the spring ;-)

krazed0451 Issajoke

@@marcd7332 Repeating the video verbatim is a joke? Weird.

@@krazed0451 dude you are such a dumbstruck, ya cut the fork. Jeez

@@tonydiridoni1732 Ok, cut your forks all you like! ;-)

Yeh, never good when your suspension goes cock-stiff...

Thanks for sharing what your learned so far! I will normally go in 3mm increments so once the fork oil and spacer are done start at 4, 8,12 and see what you prefer then.

Hi John. Fantastic work and congrats on the end result. A tip of the hat to you sir! I too am excited to see what you find in regards to ride quality. Make sure you test geometry as that is a big part of the end result. Start with stock and lower by 4mm, then lower another 4mm. Don't forget the cable tie on the right fork tube.......

How did it turn out?

This should be standard knowledge for bike enthusiasts

Perhaps Yamaha should employ him.!

Well I’m cutting mine this weekend

Loved the shade!

Only took $20 from amazon. Bought the wrap and used a blow dryer.

@@cindyorellana6025 Is that your bike? So how does it feel now?

Dzimka Bujiashvili The girl looks better. The FZ....its ok

@@andrewford80 less bouncy hahahahaha

Thanks for posting to let other MV owner's know what a difference it makes to have your bike set to you!

Thanks for sharing your experience and POV. I concur, some information on the very basics really helps.

Well where are you to get an idea for the set up. It's not like that information is easy to comprehend without background in it. You want to ride a bike, take the course, buy a bike and ride, thinking the manufacturer set it up correctly... Blown away that people are blown away about people not knowing everything...

Why are you blown away? This is a skill set that not everyone has. It has to be taught. Maybe you were just born with insight about bike setup. Do you own a fridge? Can you re gas it? I can't believe that people own fridges and can't re gas them.

My view on suspension is don't touch what you don't know. Having said that I did the same as he did in this video to the rear suspension but only because my backside was aching after a few hours ride, I just wanted a comfier ride and not too concerned about cornering on 30mph gatso infested London roads tbh. Also I'm not sure I like the idea of bike going into a corner more easily, it's something you get accustomed to I wouldn't say one is better or worse unless you're talking lap times, think about how different the bike handles when you had low pressure tyres and then you inflate them back to normal and it feels like a different bike but you got used to riding it on flats. So it's only something you have to experience, he could've adjusted that suspension and the girl could've gone home hating it, just saying.

Thanks for taking the time to get that done and share how much better the bike handles now! I appreciate you paying it forward by posting.

Does it reduce bikes ability to powerwheelie? Is it noticeably less wobbly in corners? Thanx

@@TheBalija1 Power wheelie is throttle control so no it does not. Less wobbly in the corners? 100% yes.

@@CatalystReactionSBW But power weheelies on this bike are possible mainly because of bikes geometry rather than it's power. There are bikes with more kW and Nm but they cannot wheelie as good as mt07 does. So I will ask more precisely will lowering front decrease bikes power wheeling ability. Thanx

Did you cut the spacers in both forks or just one?

Congrats on your skills and saving yourself and the bike from distress! I sincerely appreciate you sharing that you made the upgrade with the fork oil.

Yes I do! Set sag on the rear and see if the forks pogo and get that resolved.

Chameleon wrap bought for $20 on amazon. Wrapping a bike is pretty easy

@@cindyorellana6025 Send link, please and thank you. ;)

@@cindyorellana6025 Can i get a link please

@@nomanhaider2742 www.amazon.co.uk/Protection-Chameleon-Metallic-Vehicle-Changing/dp/B07QMD27XJ

@@keremcolakoglu1 Thanks, Kerem. Piss off, Cindy.

Why?

If you have the opportunity, same more budget bikes with telescopic suspension across all brands.

@@CatalystReactionSBW I need to go look at my 690 Duke again.

I hope people take on the challenge, trim the spacer and find the right weight oil for themselves - then and most importantly, they share what they did and the positive effects it had for them. Doing that helps me save lives by riders sharing positive experiences!

@@CatalystReactionSBW If it's anything like when I swapped my rear suspension for a used Bitubo shock with rebound/pre I can't wait to finally feel what this bike was supposed to feel like all along...

@@Chad-bq7vw That's the positive change you will feel with the right oil viscosity and height. trim the spacer and it will be a positive change again. If needed, select the right springs.

Thanks for your post and question. The first generation MT09 needed 15w fork oil to the same volume the manual requires and that transformed the bike's handling

@@CatalystReactionSBW awesome, thank you for taking your time to awnser my question 👌

Is the salty langue necessary? Kids watch these arcane suspension upgrade videos.

Before you buy, measure the static sag. If it is 15mm or less the same problem exists with the spacer. Also ask what weight the fork oil is in the 21 service manual and see if it is 10 or 15w.

OOpppsssss :) Start with a cable tie on the front fork and mark bottom out to see how much travel you are using. Look at the shock shaft coming out of the shock body to see what is dirty and what is clean. That will give you the foundation of knowledge to work from. Next, change fork oil to 15w to the same volume as stock and test ride - was it more stable. Thicker oil moves slower so you may use less fork travel. Check shock travel again and ideal is 2-3mm of dirt above the bottom out bumper. If there's no dirt, you may need a stiffer spring. Game on! Please report back to help others and pay it forward.

Dave Moss Tuning Mate, I’m chuffed you found time to reply! I shall do as advised hopefully this coming weekend and will certainly report back and do my bit of paying it forward. You’re a gent and a legend. Cheers mate.

@@mt07toooldtowalk42 Thank you! I look forward to hearing about your thoughts and experience once the changes have been made.

Same task with fork oil viscosity, fork geometry change and at some point a rear shock change.

Get a z900

@@RidingNomad get a turbo busa

@@RidingNomad Does it not suffer any of these suspension designs?

@@CatalystReactionSBW I just finish what u said even cut the spacer at 10mm with 20w going to test it tomorrow morning wish me luck 🤞🤞🤞

My pleasure!

I got the joke lol

i know some of those people

Maybe he doesn't have a pipe cutter

Hi Jason. Step 1, check static sag on the forks. If you have less than 10mm, the spacer needs to be trimmed. At 200lbs or more a 7mm trim makes sense and 20w would acceptable to the stock volume. With the forks, mark fork bottom out with a felt pen (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m8qjZseflrKmm6s.html) and visually check travel used via a cable tie on the forks and looking to see how much of the shock shaft is clean. If 100% clean, the shock needs to be stiffened. If it cannot, the OEM spring needs to be replaced. Hope this helps!

Dropping the front end makes the 'attack angle' of the steering (aka steering angle) steeper, thus making the bike steer quicker, more razor-sharp. One thing you want to do is whether you bottom the entire front end with that much drop on the front, you can be preventing full travel of the shocks. If travel is unaffected just check whether fenders or such will rub out in full compression. This mod is commonly used to lower ride height, but increase the steering head angle when the rear shock is not adjusted accordingly.

I tend to chose 3-4mm increments. It is known that most Asian countries lower the front end dramatically but I am not sure if that is done via testing per bike or the social norm as it is a legacy practice from decades ago? As per Rui Kazane's comment, lowering can take away travel so you have to mark bottom out and make sure that you do not go any further than that.

All the way.

🤣 same here... facepalm moment for Dave 🤭

I appreciate you learning form the work we do. Thanks!

There is no issue with warranty if you change spacer length and oil. This has been proven many times by owners that have made changes to the forks. Changing the rear shock to a different one does not invalidate warranty either. The main concern of warranty is engine and electronics. You might ask a different brand dealership what would invalidate a warranty on say a Ninja 650.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks

Teej 🤣🤣😅

Well, both bikes are older versions, and so are correctly called ‘FZ’.

AT2 Productions its not about old version or new .. they always been called the MT in the rest of the world but here in the us they always call them the FZ .. and most of them still do now . Even it official as the MT bike

Wawan Blondy Where was the video filmed? The US. Where are the majority of viewers for this channel? The US. What is the official model designation for the 689cc variant produced prior to 2018 for the North American market (not just the US)? FZ. Quit your bitching about a person in the video using the correct name of the bike for the market it was delivered to and being ridden in. Names change often enough, or do you also complain about the change during the life of the Ducati Monster? They were originally designated as the M600, M750, and M900. But then in the early 2000’s the “M” was dropped and they became officially the “Monster (insert number here)”. And yet there are still issues and discrepancies between the sources motor vehicle registries use for the product line. Some have my 2005 Monster 620 Dark listed with a model number of M600 while the others have it correctly listed as Monster 620D. So do you have a legit problem, or are you merely whinging to whinge?

There are plenty of people that prefer to have the "glass half empty" disposition unfortunately. I spend most of my time and energy with the glass half full sector who leverage the content and pay it forward.

Martin Leon no you didn’t

@@guywelch656 its a common complaint so its likely he knew

BIg G he did - litterally everyone knows it’s the bikes biggest problem.

@@guywelch656 mt07 suspension is infamous. I'm sure a lot of people knew.

Yes it does and you might find that even at the softest preload settings for the rear shock, you cannot get any static sag: davemosstuning.com/?s=static+sag

@@CatalystReactionSBW can you tell it step by step for us not screwing anything? İ never disasssmbled a fork. Can it be done by not so pro guys like me?

Glad it was helpful!

So, use 20w to the same volume as stock and hacksaw the spacer down 10mm BUT clean up the cut end prior to install. Do you have a machine shop that can use the lathe o hacksaw to cut the spacer for you?

They did the same thing with the MT-09. Boggles my mind how fucking stupid it is that Yamaha lets their bikes out of the factory like that. Whoever is in charge of suspension tuning down there should not be getting paid.

M. B. The thing is the suspension experts only work on the supersports, and they don't really give these any focus. They ain't even cartridge dampers

@@ruikazane5123 you dont need to be an expert to have appropriate spring rates, damper rates and sag rates on cheap suspension for no extra production expense.

M. B. But manufacturers just don't. AND it is a mystery why they do that.

@@ruikazane5123 it sure is. They design these incredible engines and chassis' but then they fuck up something so simple seemingly on purpose

looks like it was was vinyl wrapped to me

Looks to me like 3M 2080 Satin Flip Glacial Frost Vinyl Wrap

Westwingturbos I thought so too.

Westwingturbos i think thats just to precise to be wrong fella ; ]

@@ph5056 Eh, could be close enough.

Thank you for the kind words and congrats on the FZ07! Given your weight a 7mm reduction will be more appropriate for the spacer. Linear or progressive wind springs will work but test the OEM springs for travel used prior to acquiring new springs based on marking fork bottom out: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m8qjZseflrKmm6s.html

@@CatalystReactionSBW Thank you Sir!

Thank for sharing your experiences and paying it forward. I appreciate the kind words and a tip of the hat to you for taking the time to work through your motorcycles to make them better.

Dave Moss Tuning From you that’s a very kind response. All I did was read a lot of comments from other CB-1 owners and engage in the debate online, then put some of the findings into practice. I’m just ignorant of enough subjects to be aware I’m not too old to learn. What you do is share your IMMENSE and priceless knowledge freely online. And the way you do it is like watching a sainted guru!! No matter how fucked up a rider’s settings, I’ve never seen you ridicule them, or even show Gordon Ramsey style exasperation over their choices. So, it’s THIS I’m most grateful for. I know it’s my LACK of patience that very often hinders my ability to help others, no matter how good my knowledge of any specific subject. If you were on TV the producers would be looking for the most dangerous setups and the most stupid riders - just to test your resolve!! What kills bikers most often? Failure to plan ahead appropriately? Maybe. But when and where should that planning actually begin? In my humble opinion it should at least be somewhere close to the choices we make about who’s advice we firstly seek, then listen to, then take on board, then respect and revisit (having double checked if we want), then implement, carry with us and share with each other. That’s how humans evolved from the grunting stage. MC Rider and you share the calmness and patience which cause you both to stand out from the crown of fevered egos and false prophets, who’s eye is mainly on their profile and the profits they can make in terms of kudos and Dollars. Anyway, enough of this smoke blowing and philosophical bollox. Ride safe bro.

Canadians and brits do this all the time.

@@truantray So do Americans. It's not like we don't work on our Japanese bikes! Cheers, cousin from across the pond. I'm dreaming of the day I can afford to get over there and attend the IOMTT!! P[>

It's very simple, 20 weight oil is thinner than 30 weight oil you get the picture the millimeters don't have anything to do with the oil per say as to what he's doing to the front by cutting cutting off what he was talking about

Metric is for authoritarians.

Please report back on how much the fork action improved.

@@CatalystReactionSBW anything for you Dave!

@@CatalystReactionSBW please excuse the noob question. Wouldn't cutting the spacers extend the spring more hence creating more bounce/head dive? (which I hate) Have a 16 fz-07 with 11k that want to do this to but confused. Already have new oem rear shock swap ready just need to figure this out. Had thought that installing preload adjusters which is what I was going to do before I watched this video and heavier fork oil was answer. Btw about 180pds with full gear on so any specific cut or oil weight advice would be appreciated. Even with spacer cut or in leui would you advise to add preload adjusters? Thanks Dave

@@kalman1224 If I can approach your quandary with these steps 1. Static sag is critical in suspension so the rider is not bounced out of the seat (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aayVja2Dzqe8gp8.html) Springs are held in place with spacers and they are there to compress the spring to keep it under tension. If the spacers are large, the spring is crushed so it fights back violently. If the spacer is reduced in size, the springs responds with a a lot less violence. Does that help? In terms of rebound, this video might be helpful: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qeBgrZh6zLyrg5s.html With forks that have no adjustments, we choose oil viscosity to match the spring's energy release, so that can be 10, 15, 20 or 30w oil depending on the engineering inside the fork.

Which bike?

@@majormassenspektrometer I now have a Honda Rebel 500. Haven't done much to it yet, ebc brake pads front and back.

@@ifrit35 Nice bike! Hope you have fun with it. ;)

Correct!

Dave Williams, editor, replying here watch. And here's video proof at 5:15 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/es2cqJOI2MycYJ8.html

I will check a 2019 next week in Wellington to be sure.

@@CatalystReactionSBW I would love to know this too thanks in advance

Dave Moss Tuning hey mate while your in nz will you be flying across to Australia? Brisbane

@@CatalystReactionSBW awesome, can't wait to see a video on this as I have the 2019 model and want to see if I have to make any such changes!

also does this apply to the Tracer 700?