Catholics and Evolution

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10 жыл бұрын

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Catholic Answers apologist Trent Horn explains to a caller what Catholics can believe about evolution and how to interact with unbelieving family members who have problems with the biblical account of creation.
Ever since he converted to Catholicism at the age of seventeen, Trent Horn has had a passion for explaining and defending the Faith. After earning a degree in history from Arizona State University, Trent traveled the country training pro-life advocates on college campuses to engage opponents in compassionate and persuasive dialogue. After completing a master's degree in theology at Franciscan University of Steubenville, Trent served as the Respect Life Coordinator for the Diocese of Phoenix. In 2012 he joined Catholic Answers as a speaker and staff apologist.
Trent is a dynamic and experienced public speaker who has given hundreds of presentations, from high school assemblies to keynote conference talks. He is a regular guest on Catholic Answers Live and is also the author of Answering Atheism: How to Make the Case for God with Logic and Charity published by Catholic Answers Press.
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@omegajesus97
@omegajesus97 3 жыл бұрын
The closest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. That means it would take a beam of light 2.5 million years to go from here to there. But if you went there you would still find the Spirit of God. I have no problem with an old Earth or universe. That just means God is far more magnificent than my human eyes or mind can possibly perceive. Praise the Lord.
@WalkTalkVent
@WalkTalkVent 9 жыл бұрын
Catholics are so down to earth.
@maryjemisonMaryjay1936
@maryjemisonMaryjay1936 9 жыл бұрын
Jesse Jamison , yes Jesse Jamison they sure are,
@Wernicke-Carl
@Wernicke-Carl 9 жыл бұрын
Jesse Jamison Yes! *"Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven."*
@splougemcgouge6637
@splougemcgouge6637 8 жыл бұрын
I'm Protestant and I like Catholics
@elcanaldeshackra
@elcanaldeshackra 10 жыл бұрын
Richard Dawkins dislike this video... Trent Horn, FTW!
@MsJohnnythunder
@MsJohnnythunder 7 жыл бұрын
So when and how did the first sin occur? Did God create the world through evil, suffering and death, as the evolution theory by natural selection teaches? Of what did God forgive us through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross exactly then? There are some big BIG holes you need to fill there.
@allenmaurer4346
@allenmaurer4346 10 жыл бұрын
The problem with this answer, in my opinion, is that it grants far too much that ultimately undermines faith in the Bible. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the failure of the Church to stick to the pronouncements of Lateran IV and Vatican I -- i.e. that God "by His own omnipotent power at once from the beginning of time created each creature from nothing" -- has, more than anything else, devastated the credibility of the biblical account of creation. We certainly don't attempt to accommodate the findings of modern science or even common sense when it comes to the Virgin Birth, the Multiplication of the Loaves, or the Resurrection. To do so would obviously undermine central tenets of the Catholic faith. Why on earth should it be any different with the miracle of Creation? Scientists already think we're bonkers for believing in the Real Presence, the Corporal Assumption of the Blessed Virgin, Walking on Water, etc. Why all this worry when it comes to Genesis? There can never be harmony between the Bible and a naturalism which rejects the miraculous a priori. And if anything deserves to be considered as miraculous, the creation of all things ex nihilo certainly qualifies.
@rlburton
@rlburton 10 жыл бұрын
It is not rejecting the miraculous; it is the acknowledgment that God is in this case speaking in terms that the patriarchs could understand; poetically. In fact, if you look at the scientific account of creation from the big bang onwards, the alignment to Genesis 1 is striking down to the smallest detail. My personal favorite is God creating the plants right before the moon and the stars. For of course, primordial Earth had a CO2 cloud cover 1 mile thick until the first plants came and cleared it all away; making the moon and stars visible. If God had explained it to them in full scientific detail as we know it so that they could understand it all, Genesis 1 would be the size of a small library.
@allenmaurer4346
@allenmaurer4346 10 жыл бұрын
Rodney Burton Thanks for the response. I can appreciate that the Magisterium has allowed us some liberty in this matter. Nonetheless, I find it misleading to tell people that the Church does not teach dogmatically on the question as to how God created living beings, as claimed in the video. The plain reading of the Bible, the unanimous consent of the Fathers, as well as Lateran IV and Vatican I taught that God "by His own omnipotent power at once from the beginning of time created each creature from nothing." I don't see how anyone can read that and then go on to claim that the Church has no dogmatic teaching regarding the creation of life, i.e. that Church teaching can be harmonized with the theories of modern science. Each term in that dogmatic definition stands opposed to modern scientific theory. To claim otherwise is to appear either willfully ignorant or intellectually dishonest. And my original question remains: Seeing as we don't have a problem rejecting the results of modern scientific theory when it comes to the Virgin Birth or the Resurrection, why do we suddenly cave in when it comes to Genesis? I understand that salvation does not depend upon our view of the details of creation. However, one would think that it doesn't depend upon faith in the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin, either, and yet we are obliged to believe in that dogma with divine Catholic faith.
@rlburton
@rlburton 10 жыл бұрын
Allen Maurer I see what you are saying, but it is not at all a conflict. Science explains how life was formed; not why, and the Church and Scriptures explain why life was formed but not how. The most detail we get from Scripture is that God formed man from the dust of the ground, which agrees perfectly with science which teaches that life finds its original origins in dirt and mud. Indeed in St. Augustine's book on Genesis, he teaches how God created life "in potentia"; not just what it was, but what it could develop into.
@rlburton
@rlburton 10 жыл бұрын
Allen Maurer We are not "caving" when it comes to Genesis, any more than the Church is "caving" when in any other of its investigations it find a natural explanation for something that someone claimed to be miraculous. It's not logical to say; "People who don't believe in God or His miraculous power deny miracles in Scripture. Therefore anyone who says something in Scripture has a natural explanation is denying God and His miraculous power." God did indeed create each creature from nothing. However, as it says, man was formed from the dust of the ground, the ground was formed from light, and the light was formed from nothing. So, God created man from nothing, but that does not mean there was no progression.
@allenmaurer4346
@allenmaurer4346 10 жыл бұрын
Rodney Burton Thanks again for the polite response. I'm familiar with the "non-overlapping magisteria" approach to revelation and science. As Cardinal Ratzinger put it: "We cannot say: creation or evolution, inasmuch as these two things respond to two different realities. The story of the dust of the earth and the breath of God, which we just heard, does not in fact explain how human persons come to be but rather what they are. It explains their inmost origin and casts light on the project that they are. And, vice versa, the theory of evolution seeks to understand and describe biological developments. But in so doing it cannot explain where the 'project' of human persons comes from, nor their inner origin, nor their particular nature. To that extent we are faced here with two complementary - rather than mutually exclusive - realities." I'm also familiar with the condemnation this approach received from Pope St. Pius X in his encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis (§16): "Having reached this point, Venerable Brethren, we have sufficient material in hand to enable us to see the relations which Modernists establish between faith and science, including history also under the name of science. And in the first place it is to be held that the object of the one is quite extraneous to and separate from the object of the other. For faith occupies itself solely with something which science declares to be unknowable for it. Hence each has a separate field assigned to it: science is entirely concerned with the reality of phenomena, into which faith does not enter at all; faith on the contrary concerns itself with the divine reality which is entirely unknown to science. Thus the conclusion is reached that there can never be any dissension between faith and science, for if each keeps on its own ground they can never meet and therefore never be in contradiction." You may already be familiar with it, perhaps not, but in any case do take the time to read through J. Donnelly's "Creation and Time" (catholicorigins.com/). It makes a strong case for the traditional exegesis of Genesis. In any event, I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other. But I do find it rather disappointing that a major apologetic outlet such as Catholic Answers offers nothing in the way of critical evaluation of modern scientific theory from the perspective of the Catholic faith. Repeating the mantra "there is no conflict between science and revelation" doesn't get the job done, as the tremendous loss of grace, faith, and - ultimately - souls over the last three generations amply demonstrates. Pax et bonum.
@barrymcgrath4303
@barrymcgrath4303 8 жыл бұрын
(God)(0)(Everything)Theism (0)(Big bang)(Everthing) What caused the spark for the bang?If the universe was initially compressed what caused the compression?
@mr.g4272
@mr.g4272 8 жыл бұрын
I dont think I ever had anything against evolution. However if we about the creation in genesis. It leaves no room for fish to man evolution. Separated by billions of years. According to the scientific method of the creation event in genesis.
@adolfomonzon6744
@adolfomonzon6744 9 жыл бұрын
Wisdom - Chapter 19 :18 A new attuning of the elements occurred, as on a harp the notes may change their rhythm, though all the while preserving the same tone; and this is just what happened: 19 land animals became aquatic, swimming ones took to the land,
@danielmassingale2459
@danielmassingale2459 9 жыл бұрын
get this
@Ian8sg
@Ian8sg 9 жыл бұрын
Check out John Sanford's book on evolution called Genetic Entropy. It's a complete dismantling of the theory from the genetic perspective.
@Azygos1986
@Azygos1986 9 жыл бұрын
(Macro) Evolution is bad science, built upon materialist assumptions and it is against the traditional doctrine of Creation propagated by the Holy Catholic Church. God creates all things good, it is an error to say that God had to or chose to use death, decay and mutation to bring about the creation of mankind (the God of death?). It is also absurd to say that God used evolution, through death and mutation, to create an immortal man whereas his first sin brought death into the world after death was already in the world. There is a serious theological contradiction there and since God cannot lie, the problem is with the science. What is called Micro-Evolution is true: it is the variations we see within a kind or a species. There are many kinds of birds but they are all birds. There are many variations within the human species but they are all completely 100% human beings. People who promote Macro-Evolution (the change of a kind of creature into an entirely different kind, i.e. the essence or nature of the creature can "evolve" into something else entirely) don't really believe it in the first place. To believe in Macro-Evolution you must say that life evolved from the lower order to the higher order, that lower life brought forth higher life, and that you can get more out of less. The evolutionist plainly states that life evolved upwards from a simple celled organism into more complex beings over a course of "a long time". Those who support macro-evolution don't really believe it and I can prove it. Go outside and find a tree. Do you believe that a tree could evolve into a human being, given any amount of time that you want (trillions of years)? If you do not believe that a tree could become a human being then you don't believe in Macro-Evolution. Macro-Evolution states that something less complex than the tree (the first simple cell) eventually became a human being over a course of a long time. If something more complex (such as a tree) cannot do it then something less complex (such as a simple cell) cannot do it either. Therefore you don't believe in macro-evolution. We know that the nature of the tree is to be a tree, it is limited by its treeness or nature; it cannot become something higher than its nature because it does not have the capacity to do so. As Christians we see this with human nature. Our nature is fallen and the human race subsists in original sin. We do not have the capacity within ourselves to transcend our own nature, so it takes something higher than ourselves to pull us up. In this case it is God's Grace, whereas in Baptism we become a new creature entirely. The higher raises up the lower; the lower does not and cannot bring itself up to a higher nature. It simply does not have the capacity, within itself, to do so. After knowing the logic behind these principles the only way an evolutionist Christian (theistic evolutionist) can maintain his position is to say that God used a trillion little miracles to make evolution work, this is absurd. God creates things good; the idea that he must use a trillion miracles to have a perfect creation is to insinuate that God created trillions of things imperfectly and slowly perfected them. (a God of imperfection? When Jesus turned the water into wine, it was the best and more perfect wine ever!) St. Thomas Aquinas writes, "...the first perfection is the completeness of the universe at its first founding, and this is what is ascribed to the seventh day. [ST, I, q. 73, a. 1.,] This means that the imperfections we see now in creation are a result of sin (For example: genetic defects and birth defects) and not of God's creative Wisdom, or lack of perfection in his designs. 2nd Peter 3:3-6, Know this first of all, that in the last days scoffers will come (to) scoff, living according to their own desires and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? From the time when our ancestors fell asleep, everything has remained as it was from the beginning of creation." They deliberately ignore the fact that the heavens existed of old and earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God; through these the world that then existed was destroyed, deluged with water. The creation of the Universe entailed the first perfection; the fall of man brought forth disorder and death in the order of creation; the worldwide deluge altered the face of the planet forever. Things have not always continued as they are now; the beginning of creation was remarkably different! Materialistic science tries to explain the beginning of creation by looking at things as they are today, without taking into account that things have not always continued as they do today. There assumptions are wrong and their evolutionary worldview is not rational, reason itself demands its rejection and so does the traditional doctrine of Creation.
@christiansibelieve
@christiansibelieve 9 жыл бұрын
You sir are smart and spot on. You taught me something about evolution that I never understood God bless :)
@Konrad_Wallenrod
@Konrad_Wallenrod 8 жыл бұрын
+Azygos1986 Literal creation fails on so many levels, not only scientific! God is omnipotent, therefore He should have/could have created the world in one fraction of a second! Also, God is outside of time, threfore days, hours, years mean very little to Him! What does six days mean for Him? How did He measure days, when there was no Earth and no Sun?? What is a day in, say, deep space?? Thirdly, why should an OMNIPOTENT being have to rest????
@Konrad_Wallenrod
@Konrad_Wallenrod 8 жыл бұрын
Tim Spangler God creating the world, hell, the whole bloody UNIVERSE in six days a few thousand years ago, even though all evidence points out to a much greater age of both the woeld (4.5 billion years) and the universe (14 billion years), not to mention myriad of signs of gradual change over very long periods of time, is somehow ''rational''?? The evidence against literal creation and young Earth is so overwhelming that some have even stooped so low as to accuse God of deceivinf us by giving us fake clues of a very old Earth, when it's in fact only 6000 years old! Since it is unfalsifiable this cop-out is safe from scientific scrutiny, but it is incompatible with virtually every denomination's teachings about God's nature and intentions!
@CoreyStudios2000
@CoreyStudios2000 8 жыл бұрын
You tell him! Creationism is a pagan concept that originated from Mesopotamian Sun Worship!!!
@truesalvation7913
@truesalvation7913 10 жыл бұрын
Creation / Evolution Debate 19 - Three on One! - Dr. Hovind vs 3 Embry-Riddle University Professors
@infinitywon
@infinitywon 8 жыл бұрын
And the evening and the morning were the 1rst day, the evening and the morning were the 2nd day and so on. It's very clear what a day is in Genesis 1 but you accept the word of man. Apostasy on it's way.
@bradyspace
@bradyspace 9 жыл бұрын
The idea that a large lush creation with dinosaurs existed for millions of years before man does make the need for man's stewardship over the creatures seem obscure, even detrimental. The idea that the flood killed the big 600 year old lizards makes the most sense to me. I bet it killed the mammoths and sloths to.
@charliepiff4881
@charliepiff4881 10 жыл бұрын
adapt not evolve
@BenGLastreezy
@BenGLastreezy 8 жыл бұрын
My question to every catholic here do you people believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and that he rose again from the dead?
@keegancolunga5555
@keegancolunga5555 8 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't we?
@BenGLastreezy
@BenGLastreezy 8 жыл бұрын
Keegan Colunga Doesn't "Science" Say that people don't rise from the dead and people are not born from virgins whom are not married?
@keegancolunga5555
@keegancolunga5555 8 жыл бұрын
The Bible explains what God did, science is an attempt to understand how. But, since science is God's invention, he can manipulate it in any way he chooses. He also has the say in WHEN it happens. (sorry I can't put emphasis with italics,) as a part of His plan.
@BenGLastreezy
@BenGLastreezy 8 жыл бұрын
Keegan Colunga answer my question, don't dance around it
@keegancolunga5555
@keegancolunga5555 8 жыл бұрын
I don't know exactly what the question is. Somethings happening to my phone so that I can't see your replies, except by email. Is the question your original comment?
@BenGLastreezy
@BenGLastreezy 8 жыл бұрын
This is the reason why i left the catholic church if a bunch of guys come with some ideas the catholic church puts it into the dogmatic belief of theirs, if you think that there's no contradiction between evolution and creation i don't think we worship the same God let alone the same savior!
@staarrliner4993
@staarrliner4993 7 жыл бұрын
Kent Hovind...
@Christ_is_Lord_
@Christ_is_Lord_ 10 жыл бұрын
No, no, no, no, no. Add up the dates in the Bible from all the way to Adam, it comes up around 6000. God made if VERY clear that these days were literal days. Morning, Evening, Time, Day was repeated 6 times. If there is death before sin then there is absolutely no reason for Jesus Christ. Genesis 1-11's literal interpretation is the foundation for every single moral world view. Kent Hovind and Ken Ham give a scientific explanation towards Genesis supporting it completely.
@KingElrosTarMinyatur
@KingElrosTarMinyatur 10 жыл бұрын
.
@elcanaldeshackra
@elcanaldeshackra 10 жыл бұрын
This reading of the Genesis you offer was never though in the History of the Church, is a XIX century stuff created by protestants. So, No, no, no, no, no. You are wrong. P.S.: Hope you are just being satirical here...
@barnabaswetton
@barnabaswetton 10 жыл бұрын
Ken Ham and Hovind give an explanation. I am sorry to have to tell you that it is not scientific at all. I suggest you read up on the scientific method and what it demands of its practioners.
@Christ_is_Lord_
@Christ_is_Lord_ 10 жыл бұрын
barnabas wetton how can evolution follow the scientific method? can you observe macro evolution? can you test macro evolution? Can you demonstate macro evolution? Evolution is so anti scientic method it is ridiculous. Also if there was no Adam there is no reason for Jesus to exist. No such thing as death before sin or original sin, or the existence of the soul or anything. Evolution and Jesus are two completely different horses going the opposite direction. Get on or Get off
@ronilhephinson360
@ronilhephinson360 10 жыл бұрын
itsericnesbiha I have the answers you seek. The truth about the Bible is that there are 3 kinds of death and an entity 'Death' When Adam and Eve were made, they were already mortal beings so they would eventually die. If you look in Genesis 3:22, if Adam or Eve had eaten another fruit, they would've become immortal. We know Adam lived for more than 900 years even if God said Adam would die before the day would end. What God actually meant is that Adam died spiritually. A human can live physically even if he is spiritually dead, even angels die this death. This is the First Death, if I'm not mistaken and is spiritual The Second Death, another spiritual death, are for those who went out of God's grace and did evil knowingly. This will bring the man into eternal punishment. The first Death (and it's entity) will be subject to this second death. This is a death fallen angels will also undergo. The anointed death (not really its name), is a physical death and therefore, angels are unaffected. This death was meant to bring the soul of the deceased closer to God, and probably balance the world (imagine if the current population lived for 900 years, stress on the economy). EVERY mortal thing is subject to this death. This is why Jesus died physically, but he never died spiritually. Why does sin cause spiritual death? Because it brings us far away from God who is the giver or life (physical) and true life (spiritual). God is Life and its meaning. The entity Death has nothing to do with the physical death whatsoever. So no, he is no grim reaper with a skull for a face. If you have questions or need clarification, just ask. I'm willing.
@byzantineemperor6459
@byzantineemperor6459 2 жыл бұрын
This is what Catholic church thinks about evolution: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Catholic_Church
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