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CBR600RR False Neutral Crash @ MSR Cresson | 5-6-24

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Unknown CBR

Unknown CBR

Күн бұрын

This is my 3rd trackday, 2nd at this track. Was feeling great the entire day. Went from lap times of 1m40s to 1m27.98s, my best, which was in the session before this one. This is in the last 5 minutes of the last session of the day. I wasn't too worn out & I was riding at about 90% effort when this happened. I rode the beginning of this session for 5-6 good laps and pulled into pit for a couple minutes' rest & to capture my thoughts. I never felt like I was "behind the bike" or going too fast for my comfort. This is the first and only time I've gotten a false neutral on a downshift at speed. Damage is surprisingly minimal & I sustained zero injuries except for a broken heart for my banged-up bike.
Analysis of the crash; My bike+rearset setup requires dual linkage with a pivot point for GP shift. The session before this one I had to raise my rearsets because I dragged my toe twice, which raised my shift lever about 3/4 inch. I've done 1000+ street miles with this same shifter height, but only about 15 or so prior on this day. The dual linkage also has some slack in it because of the pivot point. Those things considered I'm guessing I didn't use enough pressure on the downshift, even though I'd done maybe 15 laps before with no issue. When the false neutral happened I was spooked (obviously), as this is the 2nd hardest braking zone on the track. I knew that my only chance at not crashing was to commit. I did my best in the moment but I was probably somewhere halfway between full commitment & target fixation. I stayed on the brakes hard while I was upright & held a bit more pressure while leaning than I had been, but without engine braking I couldn't scrub enough speed to either make the turn, or convince myself to commit fully.

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@gripsanity
@gripsanity 3 ай бұрын
Learning lesson for sure. What I would do and have done in this situation is abort the turn (if you have run off) Straighten the bike up and go full brakes to scrub as much speed as possible before leaving the track. Then ride it out on the rear brake.
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I was advised this by someone else too. Will definitely not forget that now.
@Buyajetfromstevemain
@Buyajetfromstevemain 3 ай бұрын
Foot position may be bad, which is why toe dragged. Might not need to move rearsets around… but we can look at it next time. Glad you’re ok bud. Bikes can be replaced/repaired.
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
I much preferred the feel of the higher up setting. It gave me more confidence at lean as I could lock my outside leg better. Right side rearset was damaged so I'm getting a pair where the shift lever is separate from the rearset. Can't wait to come back out to ECR! Met some guys at MSR who may be able to get me in as a guest. I loved SRC but these trackdays and repairs add up! 😅
@CenaJ675r
@CenaJ675r 2 ай бұрын
Good to see no injuries! Now dust yourself off and gst back on. Need to shake off the mental block that crashes do cause
@RadDadisRad
@RadDadisRad 3 ай бұрын
Fk me. I’ve hit over a dozen false neutrals on my 2024 Street Triple 765 RS. Every single one upset the bike. Every time it scares me too.
@davefarmery8180
@davefarmery8180 Ай бұрын
I had a few false neutrals a cadwell, I'd fitted rearsets a few weeks before , turned out to be the gear shif linkage position was the problem, fine on road but not on track
@deldridg
@deldridg 3 ай бұрын
Great riding and glad you're ok mate. Fun wringing the neck of a 600 isn't it?! I had the opposite happen years ago on a twisty road. I was belting through a National Park on my Ducati with the missus on the back when I double downshifted going hard into a tight left hander. The back wheel locked up and thankfully I still had some instincts from my dirt riding days, powered through but drifted across the centreline (here we ride on the LHS). I though the missus hadn't noticed, but when we stopped shortly after at a lookout, as soon as I removed my helmet, she bitch-slapped me and said never again. I guess she did notice after all! Anyway - glad you did this on the track and walked away. How did the bike fare? Cheers from Sydney - Dave
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
That must've been a quiet ride home. 😅 It's tons of fun! Damage to the bike is minimal. Worst thing is a broken front fairing stay.
@user-xw4hn7lb3x
@user-xw4hn7lb3x 3 ай бұрын
You need a full grip on the handle bars. That light finger shite doesn't work. Stop listening to the internet. Also practice going into turns in neutral, so you adapt and don't freeze up next time. I regularly hit 45° lean just on the streets. I hit the yellow line once and the bike did a little slip and wiggle. Scared the crap out of me. So what did I do? The whole way back home, I kept hitting the yellow line on purpose until I got used to the bike slipping. Leaned over on cattle guards is fun too. hehe
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
Sorry this is actually as tight as I can grip the bars. I had wrist transplants as a child and grip like a girl. I saw a guy on a GSXR600 doing 50° on the street one time. He was about 250lbs and only had a helmet and gloves. It might've been you! Small world. Ride safe brother. 🤘
@user-xw4hn7lb3x
@user-xw4hn7lb3x 3 ай бұрын
@@UnknownCBR I'm too intelligent to ride a GSXR clown bike.
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
@@user-xw4hn7lb3x Spoken like a true closet GSXR rider. It's ok bro, we accept you as you are.
@krishnajitmahanta1667
@krishnajitmahanta1667 3 ай бұрын
Doing cornering do we need decrease the speed also while leaning through the curve
@MenderSlen579
@MenderSlen579 3 ай бұрын
so im guessing that no engine braking led you to fall off the track?
@RANhxcCORE
@RANhxcCORE 3 ай бұрын
ive had it happen to me but didnt crash - just blew through the corner. for some reason bike just stands up and wants to go wide - i think because you cant get the weight to shift back onto the rear you're stuck on youre braking line. im sure you can brake harder but when youre expecting power you dont want to get back on the brakes again. idk im glad youre okay OP. I don't really like Cresson IMO - check out ECR if you can!!
@RANhxcCORE
@RANhxcCORE 3 ай бұрын
Just read ops description - for real check out sport rider coaching. kinda expensive but ECR is the best track in north texas for bikes IMO!
@Zeroleon
@Zeroleon 3 ай бұрын
Why does this happen and can it be prevented😢?
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
False neutrals are when the bike doesn't fully "click" into place when shifting and gets stuck between 2 gears. They can be caused by worn dogs on the transmission gears, slack in the linkage, or not enough pressure applied to the shifter. This instance is a bit of all 3 of those things. It's a known issue on this bike & the transmission has nearly 50k miles.
@TrickRacing
@TrickRacing 3 ай бұрын
Should should not be accelerating into curve only when exiting and you stand the bike up. If you false neutral then stand it up and run off straight
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
I wasn't accelerating into any turns in this video or my other ones for this day. The audio in this video is from a completely different session as I had no audio for this session, so maybe that's where you got confused. You can watch the lean angle and G-force and see I don't start to roll on until I start to reduce lean; except for 2 of the sweepers where I give it just a bit, as the corners require. You're right about standing the bike up though. Live & learn.
@TrickRacing
@TrickRacing 3 ай бұрын
@@UnknownCBR and also your arm being straight bro!! It looks like in the video your not bending arms enough and squeezing tank with legs
@UnknownCBR
@UnknownCBR 3 ай бұрын
You're not wrong but the cam is mounted on my chest. There is lens distortion & you can only see my forearms. Not trying to pretend I'm a pro or anything, but I was bending my elbows, I assure you.
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