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25 years after TWA Flight 800

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Twenty-five years ago today, one of the deadliest aircraft disasters in American history shook the world. TWA Flight 800, a 747 jet bound from New York to Paris, exploded off the coast of Long Island, New York, with 230 people onboard. Errol Barnett looks back at how this disaster changed aviation, and so many lives, forever.
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@trailhopper883
@trailhopper883 3 жыл бұрын
My neighbor lost his wife on that flight. She was a Dectective. She was also a Mother. Very sad.
@06quinonez
@06quinonez 3 жыл бұрын
Very sad 😔
@bigmac227
@bigmac227 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry to hear that😭
@annsheridan12
@annsheridan12 3 жыл бұрын
@Scenic Road Sunset fake investigation, government cover up. It was a US navy missle.
@annsheridan12
@annsheridan12 3 жыл бұрын
@Scenic Road Sunset a brilliant example of government corruption.
@AJ-xm4xc
@AJ-xm4xc 3 жыл бұрын
Does he believe there was a cover-up?
@zms8092
@zms8092 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll never forget watching the breaking news on a hot summer evening at my grandma’s house in Detroit, MI, and seeing that burning wreckage floating. The news said there were a bunch of high schoolers from Michigan on that plane on a class trip. I was 16 when this happened and just getting interested in commercial aviation. I’ve been a flight attendant for 20 years now. RIP to all those lost.
@6z0
@6z0 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll never forget sitting at my dinner table being 16 years old just finishing up dinner, in Mastic Beach NY. Out my back door I saw a giant flying fireball, looked like a missile. I had a perfect view from my seat at the table. It was the most incredible thing my family and I have ever seen. Then we instantly turned on the TV and learned it was TWA Flight 800
@islanders1329fan
@islanders1329fan 2 жыл бұрын
@@6z0 That must’ve quite a scary thing to see. Just knowing what those poor 230 souls endured in their final seconds alive is painfully sad and makes you wanna cry for them and for the families 😥😥😥😢😢😥😥 just devastating.
@islanders1329fan
@islanders1329fan 2 жыл бұрын
I live not that far away from where the crash site happened because I live in Queens NY and I was only 13 then when this happened and you know kids normally don’t pay very much attention to the news because of school they’re busy with and all that stuff, but I started to get curious about what really happened about a year after I graduated college when I was 23 and once I heard the details, my heart sank so much for the victims and their family members, I immediately had tears rolling down my face. Awful in what happened. I’m sure all the victims were dead instantly after blunt force trauma whiplash they suffered from after the first explosion and then the fireball struck the cabin burning them all very very bad, sparing them the horror of nosediving into the sea at 450 mph. Just horrible 😥😢 May they Rest In Peace and may God continue to bless their family members with his love, healing, comfort and his strength. I’m sorry for them they had to hear it like this that their loved one isn’t coming home. This is the last thing family members should ever have to hear.
@bryanbrown4521
@bryanbrown4521 2 жыл бұрын
Why would you become a flight attendant then after hear about this lol f that
@r.williamcomm7693
@r.williamcomm7693 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a great comment. Yes there were 16 high school students in a French Club from Montoursville, PA on that plane. It was horrible. Those of us who were a bit older wondered if terrorism was being denied to deprive the terrorists of claiming a victory. After the US mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner reprisals were planned. The bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland came to mind for many of us. Years later we learned of the Bojinka Plot which was downright scary. Regardless of the cause we hope that the victims Rest In Peace & so glad to hear that it didn’t stop you from your career. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot
@maxismills
@maxismills 2 жыл бұрын
My great uncle and cousin died on this flight, and although I wasn't alive when they passed the effects of the plane crash permeate through my family. Many members of my family avoid flying, and I find myself praying whenever I board a flight.
@dreamthedream8929
@dreamthedream8929 Жыл бұрын
This is a reminder thats why you pray specificially for flights i think. Other more dangerous things like hiking or driving on a bus perhaps doesnt get the same praying response from you as your family has not been affected by that even though the chances of being affected badly by that are higher than flying in a plane
@randywatson341
@randywatson341 3 жыл бұрын
I was 16. It was so surreal seeing this on the news, because there hadn’t been a crash in so long. Found out a couple days later that one of our teachers was on that flight with her daughter.
@randywatson341
@randywatson341 3 жыл бұрын
@Deena Dallas Thank you. I wasn't as close with her, but she was such a favorite across our high school. Practically the whole town showed up for her memorial. It was nice to see so many people there for her, and also a tough reminder of how many lives get affected.
@lizfinkelstein1323
@lizfinkelstein1323 3 жыл бұрын
I was 16 too, lived in Southern New York, and vividly remember watching the small tv in my friend's kitchen as the fiery wreckage burned in black water. Then, with 9/11 a few years later, I didn't fly for the better part of a decade.
@bignun680
@bignun680 2 жыл бұрын
I lost my Uncle to the crash
@dermysgamingchannel4725
@dermysgamingchannel4725 2 жыл бұрын
Attention seeker such greedy for likes
@itzkoriloves
@itzkoriloves 2 жыл бұрын
@@bignun680 that’s so sad :(
@beccabooiseeu
@beccabooiseeu 2 жыл бұрын
My father was one of the divers who recovered the bodies, the stories he has told didnt seem to phase him, but to me they actually seemed traumatizing. Its insane how much water can deteriorate someone.
@ChevisPreston
@ChevisPreston Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, especially cave divers, are usually very experienced with recoveries rather than rescue.
@davidbennett3447
@davidbennett3447 Жыл бұрын
He was probably traumatized and I say this because I encountered them at the coast guard base where this occurred coming off the boats after their dives and saw their faces and talked to quite a bit off them about it when they actually opened up a little about what they saw down there
@Wulfstan1938
@Wulfstan1938 Жыл бұрын
Glad he wasn't on the plane
@davidcastelli7893
@davidcastelli7893 3 ай бұрын
I sure it was bad. God bless your Dad. What troubles me is I have read 2 of the medical examiners said 16 bodies were decapitated and bones were found in the fuselage. I doubt that was from an exlosion, it was from a missle......Are you aware of all the Navy activity that the NTSB admitted to at the very very end of the so called investigation? Why was a P-3 plane "above" TWA 800?? That was the giveaway....They were supposed to be flying at a higher altitude but there was a delay in getting to a higher altitude and they found themselveds in the middle of an Aegis missile test.........When is the last time a center wing or any fuel tank blew up in mid air??
@patleathers1197
@patleathers1197 3 жыл бұрын
I remember this flight , I am 72, I’m so sorry to the family and friends.
@TSemasFl
@TSemasFl 3 жыл бұрын
Let the victims families come see it, touch it, have their final moments with it, then scrap it. It's all that can be done now.
@yamkaw346
@yamkaw346 3 жыл бұрын
Why would the family not want it to go to a museum though
@mrbear1302
@mrbear1302 3 жыл бұрын
@@yamkaw346 Did you not watch the video?
@criticalhard
@criticalhard 3 жыл бұрын
@@yamkaw346 I wonder the same thing. This should be preserved.
@yamkaw346
@yamkaw346 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrbear1302 yes... “it will not go to a museum because of the family‘s wishes”
@runarandersen878
@runarandersen878 3 жыл бұрын
I think they probably have done it. Probably many years ago.
@Tis_I_SirJames
@Tis_I_SirJames 3 жыл бұрын
Let the people you care about know that you love them everyday. It might be the last time you see them.
@kristenb7967
@kristenb7967 3 жыл бұрын
that could get annoying let's be real. maybe every week
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@davidbennett3447
@davidbennett3447 Жыл бұрын
I was the electrician at the coast guard base where the bodies were brought back to and to this day I still remember this very vividly .
@crispinjulius5032
@crispinjulius5032 3 жыл бұрын
15 when this happened and can still remember seeing the debris floating on the ocean’s surface. What an awful thing it was. God rest those souls.
@christophergilreath4899
@christophergilreath4899 2 жыл бұрын
15 🤚
@Romans8-9
@Romans8-9 Жыл бұрын
12
@TheGodlyGamers
@TheGodlyGamers 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a TWA pilot for 15 years prior to this, he’s alive thank god but god bless those
@moedean3342
@moedean3342 3 жыл бұрын
I still remember. I will never forget. I love all the victims even though I knew none of them, may they RIP, and their families have peace of mind.
@8.4_litre_V10
@8.4_litre_V10 3 жыл бұрын
It's saddening to know that in order for aviation to become safer, most of the time we have to learn the hard way.
@aviatrix91
@aviatrix91 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, this is very true.
@penskepc2374
@penskepc2374 2 жыл бұрын
Take comfort in the fact that commercial planes are so close to infallible at this point, I think airliners are probably going to look similar to what we have now until the end of time for this reason.
@aviatrix91
@aviatrix91 2 жыл бұрын
@@penskepc2374 I believe you're correct. Aviation has gotten so much safer over the last several decades.
@kylereyes2337
@kylereyes2337 2 жыл бұрын
@@penskepc2374 not until Boeing made a serious f*ck up with 737 MAX.
@wadewilson8011
@wadewilson8011 Жыл бұрын
It's not only in aviation. Americans don't learn or take precautions with anything until something tragic happens.
@Blondebeast_94
@Blondebeast_94 3 жыл бұрын
My distant cousins passed away on this flight right after a family reunion when I was just a toddler.
@StephenBrewer89
@StephenBrewer89 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that :/
@drakecaspianbatuhan1831
@drakecaspianbatuhan1831 Жыл бұрын
@@StephenBrewer89 why use that emotion? :/ to a tragedy?
@StephenBrewer89
@StephenBrewer89 Жыл бұрын
@@drakecaspianbatuhan1831 cause it’s sad. Sorry I meant :( sympathy for the family regardless.
@franciscoanimations
@franciscoanimations Жыл бұрын
My friend parent survived the crash, only because they went on a later flight. They were shocked when their original plane crashed. How terrifying my friend almost didn't exist by a last-minute descion
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
@user-sf7kl9uh7k 11 ай бұрын
They possibly felt guilty, I'm so glad they didn't board that plane.
@vinucini4341
@vinucini4341 3 жыл бұрын
Remember reading this when I was a child now I am 40. Times changed years passed but the scar still remains.
@laker4life36
@laker4life36 3 жыл бұрын
I wasn’t alive yet and don’t remember hearing about this but prayers for everyone effected 🙏
@megiab
@megiab 3 жыл бұрын
well said. ❤️
@thehapagirl92
@thehapagirl92 3 жыл бұрын
You were 15. That’s not a child
@MochaFatTart
@MochaFatTart 3 жыл бұрын
@@thehapagirl92 Still a child
@dreamthedream8929
@dreamthedream8929 Жыл бұрын
@@thehapagirl92 its just a child, come on whats the matter with you
@michaelmolina3775
@michaelmolina3775 Жыл бұрын
And of course, decades later the Navy admits they were testing a new missile guidance system and admitted that one of their missiles was unaccounted for. At lease 88 eye witnesses declared that they had seen a red glow strike the airplane causing an explosion initially, then the plane broke up...
@mikeleventhal2093
@mikeleventhal2093 10 ай бұрын
Read James Sanders book The Downing of TWA 800
@TheStreetFoolosopherMr187
@TheStreetFoolosopherMr187 8 ай бұрын
It all makes sense now
@sammyday3341
@sammyday3341 8 ай бұрын
Eyewitness accounts are not reliable.
@SpilledBeans
@SpilledBeans 7 ай бұрын
Of course, the original explanation for the crash didn't really make sense compared to what witnesses saw
@baldisaerodynamic9692
@baldisaerodynamic9692 3 ай бұрын
i dont buy they were testing....they could have used a decommissioned jetliner to test their systems. im not ignoring your view here, i actually agree with it...but i dont think it was a test...i think someone on that plane was their target.
@SheOfCertainGait
@SheOfCertainGait 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I drive through Montoursville, PA I think about the teenagers who perished in this crash. My 💔 broke for all the families.
@islanders1329fan
@islanders1329fan 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah absolutely 😢😢😥😥😥😥😥😥😢😢😢😢 I mean losing a family member that has serious cancer and is in hospice care and is gonna die in the coming days or weeks is already awful enough. But losing loved ones this tragically unexpected like this is a TRILLION TRILLION TRILLION times painfully worse. Those poor families. I can imagine how emotionally wounded they still feel 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 just devastating
@Seeker0fTruth
@Seeker0fTruth 2 жыл бұрын
The Montoursville school was a block away from my grandparents house… I was a teenager… Devastating.
@SlayerofFiction
@SlayerofFiction 3 жыл бұрын
Comfort kits for kids. Now that folks, made this entire thing worth watching.
@beverlyfrederick5362
@beverlyfrederick5362 3 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace Judy....
@thomascunningham6284
@thomascunningham6284 Жыл бұрын
I remember this tragedy; bless the poor souls of TWA Flight 800.
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
Too late
@supreme2005
@supreme2005 3 жыл бұрын
I was 9 when this happened. I still remember Tom Brokaw cutting in with the breaking news announcement.
@megiab
@megiab 3 жыл бұрын
I miss him being the one to break bad new to us.
@Stanthelady
@Stanthelady 3 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@Jessicamotuza1111
@Jessicamotuza1111 Жыл бұрын
Jed Johnson passed away on this flight, a friend of Andy Warhol. I've heard Jed was an angel in real life & I wish all of these people didn't pass in such a horrific way. 😢
@westaussie965
@westaussie965 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he was his “friend”
@go4brookle761
@go4brookle761 3 жыл бұрын
I was 17 at the time and I remember the burning wreckage on the water. The orange fire against the black water. The news anchors talking about the search for survivors. The debris pieces were so small I knew there would be no survivors.
@lizfinkelstein1323
@lizfinkelstein1323 3 жыл бұрын
Me too, going into Junior year of high school. We were all at my friend's house in Greenwich because her parents were gone and she was having a party. I have no idea who first learned about the crash, but we turned on the tiny tv in her kitchen and just stared at the wreckage, exactly as you describe: orange fire on the black water.
@moisemensah8233
@moisemensah8233 2 жыл бұрын
I was 6. However, I knew about it because I'm French and we heard about it. Final Destination reminded me about it. My fear of planes never faltered.
@frankobuchowski8195
@frankobuchowski8195 3 жыл бұрын
I was with 3 other family members in Watch Hill, Rhode Island, exiting a store, around sunset, hearing a huge, huge BANG!!!!!!. Not thinking of looking skyward, we went about life as usual.
@ekop1778
@ekop1778 3 жыл бұрын
WOW MY UNCLE LIVES IN WESTERY ,RI A STONES THROW FROM WATCH HILL LOVELY VILLAGE .IM FROM EASTERN CT AND BEEN THERE SINCE 1983 HE USED TO LIVE IN UCONN STORRS AREA I REMEMBER SEEING THE BREAKING NEWS MY MOMS COUSIN USED TO LIVE IN BABYLON,NY ON LONG ISLAND BEFORE HE GOT MARRIED -HES IN FLORIDA NOW HE SAW THE SMOKE FROM A DISTANCE HE WAS LIKE 25 MILES AWAY. I DIDN TKNOW YOU COULD HEAR IT FROM WATCH HILL AREA AMAZING
@StreetFoodTVCambodia
@StreetFoodTVCambodia 3 жыл бұрын
REST IN PEACE 🙏
@MB3448
@MB3448 3 жыл бұрын
FYI nobody thought it was a terrorist attack. Everyone thought it was a military accident.
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
Wrong
@amymoore1109
@amymoore1109 3 жыл бұрын
I was 10 when this happened. I still remember watching this on the news and it still breaks my heart. I remember saying my prayers that night & prayed for the families & being a ignorant child I prayed they would find survivors in the water. Now I continue to pray for the families who are still dealing with the crash every year.
@johnny170363
@johnny170363 2 жыл бұрын
There was nothing wrong with that prayer sometimes miracles do happen I'm now 52 and I would still pray the same ignorant prayer
@tiffanyjames3862
@tiffanyjames3862 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when this happened. I was only 8, but I remember that this was all over the news. This crash changed so many lives, as I remember, this crash is what killed TWA. It's scary to think how so many lives were affected in an instant.
@Kendal999spotter
@Kendal999spotter 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@penskepc2374
@penskepc2374 2 жыл бұрын
For some reason I remember the OJ thing when I was 5 but like nothing else from that period until the Monica Lewinsky thing.
@MM12684
@MM12684 2 жыл бұрын
They went through all the trouble piecing together this crashed plane to distract you from the fact that the Navy shot a missile at this plane. What a show
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
Nope 👎. Wrong. Try again. See the following: Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 Philippine Airlines Flight 143
@raywest3834
@raywest3834 11 ай бұрын
@@lashlarue7924 This investigation remains controversial for some very good reasons: Initial CNN coverage interviewed eye witnesses, and more that 50 people (who were in different areas, and didn't know one another) said the saw a streak of light ascending towards the plane before the explosion. (Some said flares, some said fireworks) FAA radar operators saw an object climbing towards the plane at 1,400 mph moments before the disaster, and notified their superiors. (reported by CNN at the time) NTSB head honcho, Jim Hall relayed this information to Bill Clinton. This is the first crash in aviation history, where the investigators had NO INTEREST in eye witnesses, and went to great lengths to discredit them. No eye witnesses were allowed to testify at the NTSB hearing, a first. They even took out a full page ad in the Washington Times to say what they had seen. I have followed this story closely since the night it happened. I have seen the story change as politics took over, and, in an election year, a mechanical fault became the preferred narrative. The CIA produced an animation with the crippled plane "climbing several thousand feet," and this was designed to placate the press, that the eye witnesses who said they saw missiles, actually saw the doomed plane climbing. Problem is that a 747 with the nose weighing about 6,500 lbs suddenly blown off CANNOT CLIMB, it stalls immediately, breaks up, and drops like a rock. Ask any pilot. Also, FAA radar data (FOIA request) shows that the plane did NOT slow down after the explosion, proving it could not trade speed for altitude. FAA radar data shows (at the moment the plane lost electrical power) supersonic debris shooting out of the plane at Mach 4, moving from left to right, which is consistent with Nat. Guard helicopter pilot Major Fred 'Fritz' Meyer's claim of seeing the missile hit the plane from the left. A fuel tank explosion could NOT POSSIBLY explain this, (according to physicist Dr. Tom Stalcup) as a jet fuel explosion is subsonic and cannot produce a force of this magnitude. This is the smoking gun, disproving the NTSB conclusion.. And . . . a whistle blower came forward, a mission specialist on the Missile Cruiser USS Carr, William H. Teele III (On KZfaq). His ship was targeting a drone towed by another aircraft, when USS Leyte Gulf fired a group of missiles, and hit TWA 800.
@robertmarut3522
@robertmarut3522 3 ай бұрын
TRUE! I saw the radar video clip.
@tylergraston5270
@tylergraston5270 3 жыл бұрын
You mean it was shot down. The tanks didn’t explode
@gynandroidhead
@gynandroidhead 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@tylergraston5270
@tylergraston5270 3 жыл бұрын
@@gynandroidhead I’m a aircraft mechanic. Most of us don’t believe a fuel pump sparked in a fuel tank.
@gynandroidhead
@gynandroidhead 3 жыл бұрын
@@tylergraston5270 Neither do I. Hence the thank you for posting.
@ralphhenderson7270
@ralphhenderson7270 3 жыл бұрын
Affirmitive,.....A retired Brigadier General, Benton Partin, confirmed it was his weapons technology that he had designed and developed at the weapons armament lab where he was a project engineer that took down that plane,...TWA was misidentified as a target drone....Partin passed away in 2019 at 95 years old.
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
No, the wreckage clearly shows that the explosion was from WITHIN THE FUEL TANK!!!
@luisvelazquez6878
@luisvelazquez6878 3 жыл бұрын
Two tragic events happened here on this day 1. Port Chicago (1944) 2. TWA Flight 800 (1996) May they all rest in peace!
@seanmetro3496
@seanmetro3496 3 жыл бұрын
25th anniversary of the missle taking down TWA flight 800
@AdelWilliams-sz7nt
@AdelWilliams-sz7nt 2 ай бұрын
Prayers for all those lives lost
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
Too late
@allisonmarroquin979
@allisonmarroquin979 3 жыл бұрын
I was 10 years old when this happened, and I never forgot the date it happened neither, and after 25 years I still remember watching the news when this tragedy occurred. 💔
@josephayers7395
@josephayers7395 Жыл бұрын
I was 8. And eating dinner with the family and it was on the TV because my dad had the news on. The sight of the fire on the water at night ill never forget. I was terrified just looking at it
@Cheersthewinners
@Cheersthewinners Жыл бұрын
I was also 10 when this happened. Till this day “TWA flight 800” has been stuck in my head.
@TerminalLumbago3657
@TerminalLumbago3657 Жыл бұрын
The truth is that a missile brought down the plane, not a fuel tank explosion.
@cchris874
@cchris874 Жыл бұрын
It can be argued either way.
@ron3557
@ron3557 Жыл бұрын
​@@cchris874 this crash is actually very interesting as both sides have convincing arguments. It's hard to find the truth of what happened to TWA 800. Eye witnesses say they saw something similar to a missile moving towards the plane. Also US navy boats were under twa 800 at the time. However an ntsb investigation concluded it was a fuel tank explosion with all the evidence they had. Then again, the government had plenty of time to make it look like a fuel tank explosion while it was in their storage. So you know. I'm very suspicious about the fuel tank theory
@cchris874
@cchris874 Жыл бұрын
@@ron3557 Confused. Why did you just reply in another thread it was definitely a missile?
@ron3557
@ron3557 Жыл бұрын
@@cchris874 Opinions and thoughts can change quickly.
@cchris874
@cchris874 Жыл бұрын
@@ron3557 Well you got me there!
@102scott
@102scott 2 жыл бұрын
This was a rocket fired by accident by our armed forces.
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
No it wasn't. See: Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 and Philippine Airlines Flight 143.
@CaLypSO4456
@CaLypSO4456 3 жыл бұрын
This one disturbs me the most. Rip the lives lost in this horrible accident. 😔
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 2 жыл бұрын
Look at flight 811. 9 people got thrown out of the plane due to BS door locks.
@sirot5561
@sirot5561 3 жыл бұрын
This is what the 2000 film ‘FINAL DESTINATION’ was based off of 😢😢😢😢😢 The film told the story of A flight from NY to Paris, also with students on board, starting from the fuel tank and no survivors
@davidbennett3447
@davidbennett3447 Жыл бұрын
Yep and I walked out of this movie because of this as someone who was stationed at the coast guard base the bodies were brought back to. I have never finished this movie because of this
@islanders1329fan
@islanders1329fan 2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. to all those poor 230 souls that perished on that awful hot muggy summer night and may God continue to bless their family with all his continued healing and strength and comfort. My heart breaks for them 😥😥😥😥😢😢😢😢 it really does. Even though I was only 13 then when this happened, my heart sinks for these families, I mean losing a family member from cancer that couldn’t survive it or from death from natural causes etc is terrible enough, but to lose a family member in a tragedy unexpectedly exactly like this is a TRILLION TRILLION TRILLION times painfully worse. 😥😥😥😥😢😢😢 those poor families. Just devastating. Never stay mad at your family members folks. Whatever argument or fight you have with them about, make up with them as soon as possible because they could possibly be gone the next day.
@Komyeta
@Komyeta Жыл бұрын
I just hate it when my parents always argue at simple things
@dreamthedream8929
@dreamthedream8929 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure its trillion times worse? Sounds disrespectful. Losing anyone close to you is traumatic no matter what. And the last part about not staying mad and arguments its not that simple as you put it. Oftentimes the feeling of guilt and shame result from that and the communication is not that smooth and misunderstandings happen, thats the reality of those kinds of situations for many
@TommyFlanagan666
@TommyFlanagan666 Жыл бұрын
May God “continue” to “bless” these families? Are you serious? The same god who stood idly by watching their loved ones die when he could have prevented it from happening in the first place? Is that the god you’re talking about? What a great god. 🙄 And as someone who has lost many loved ones to cancer and two close friends to horrific automobile accidents, death is death. It hurts the same no matter the circumstances. Your emotion driven opinion that this was “a trillion…” times worse is irresponsible and hurtful. It’s well and good to think and to feel something strongly in your heart but it doesn’t always need to be disseminated on social media. Or anywhere.
@quintjohnson7462
@quintjohnson7462 7 ай бұрын
it is a little sad this won't be going to a museum or otherwise preserved, but i'm glad to hear they are respecting the families wishes
@user-gz2it1te5r
@user-gz2it1te5r 6 ай бұрын
I remember the breaking news here in the Buffalo, New York area and I knew something went catastrophically wrong with that plane. I am glad it was nothing more than a terrible accident, and not terrorism, as many believed.
@bleep77
@bleep77 3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this on the news. I was 18. Heartbreaking and horrific. Still is.
@marymedinas1111
@marymedinas1111 3 жыл бұрын
I’m 39 now. I still remember this. I think of these people often. So so sad.
@MyKeeP81
@MyKeeP81 3 жыл бұрын
im 39 as well. i was in hawaii on vacation
@marymedinas1111
@marymedinas1111 3 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh man….you had to fly home:/
@DanL57
@DanL57 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing witnesses on television saying they saw a streak of light go up into the sky and then see an explosion when TWA 800 went down. The US Navy was conducting exercises in the waters off NYC at the time.
@lukeboyd3226
@lukeboyd3226 3 жыл бұрын
I must say that the exaltation of witness reports relating to this flight is completely asinine. Maybe it would be acceptable if we were living in the 1930's, but we aren't. Today it is painfully obvious that witness reports are some of the worst evidence possible, and the fact that people no longer get convicted of a crime based off witness testimony alone in addition to the slew of "guilty" people freed decades later by DNA analysis is a testament to this. Witnesses trying to remember what they saw several miles away may make for good TV content, but unfortunately for those who wish to "believe", they must do exactly that: believe, because even if you disregard physical evidence (which they do, obviously) witness accounts are worthless. That I even have to say this is absurd and if you had any sort of analytical job you would immediately get fired if this was your level of thinking.
@lukeboyd3226
@lukeboyd3226 3 жыл бұрын
@Jaime D I'm aware that it happens, but it's not supposed to. My point was that witnesses are known to be strikingly unreliable and the regard to which they're held has fallen greatly in the last few decades.That still stands and will probably only become more true in the future.
@brucefisher4025
@brucefisher4025 3 жыл бұрын
MANY,MANY witnesses saw the same thing but they were all told they were mistaken... like 9/11.. we were TOLD what we saw. But the physical evidence says otherwise...we're told that's just a 'conspiracy theory'.. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m9ide9tkxtHJmpc.html
@trentdaddydolla647
@trentdaddydolla647 3 жыл бұрын
@Jaime D yea but those guys would be happy to claim it and they didn't claim it did they?
@lukeboyd3226
@lukeboyd3226 3 жыл бұрын
​@@brucefisher4025 You see when you argue a plane was secretly destroyed by a missile-a conspiracy theory-but can't help yourself from arguing for absolutely no reason that the September 11 attacks were also a conspiracy, it becomes a very obvious that you're not here to stand for evidence or reasoning-you're just here to stand for conspiracy theories in general. If that's your thing then fine, but once you get out into the real world you will be hard pressed to find like-minded people who "believe" for the sake of it. Yet that's not even the worst; the nail in the coffin would be to assume that your inability to relate to other people is the result of anything other than them being smarter than you.
@sam6stringestrada31
@sam6stringestrada31 3 жыл бұрын
I was 13 when this happened nor did I forget when I saw the horrific images on t.v.......... well that was 25 years ago
@robinettemhaywood5489
@robinettemhaywood5489 3 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace.
@salvadorsoriano4734
@salvadorsoriano4734 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the reporter's comment why this is going online, the preciousness of life.
@adamgarnes4269
@adamgarnes4269 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy writers and movie produces get crazy ideas off tragic events like this….Final Destination made series made millions
@satlva2908
@satlva2908 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy ideas? This is a real fear; a common fear. Traveling in cars, trains and planes is scary for many people. Movies with "crazy ideas" will be made whether or not things like this happen.
@quimbyyyyy5425
@quimbyyyyy5425 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, the screenplay for that film began a while before this crash happened and was meant to be on the X-Files. it's possible that they added other details after this event occurred but the plot of an air disaster and cheating death were there from the start. You do have a point though, Hollywood is infamous for turning tragedies into blockbusters, e.g. Scream, 30 Minutes Or Less, The Exorcist, etc.
@joev3770
@joev3770 3 жыл бұрын
@@quimbyyyyy5425 The X-Files did end up doing a story arc about a UFO causing a plane crash not too long after this disaster
@quimbyyyyy5425
@quimbyyyyy5425 3 жыл бұрын
@@joev3770 that's insane
@MrS98VAC
@MrS98VAC 3 жыл бұрын
Lisa Perry, the closest eyewitness on land to the disaster, stated that she had just stepped out onto the deck at her beach house and immediately noticed a reddish orange light moving around up in the sky. She followed it for a few seconds and then, an airliner appeared. She immediately thought that the plane was flying a bit too low. Remember, Flight 800 had been told to hold at 13,000 feet because a plane above it was getting ready to make a descent to Rhode Island. Then, she said that the object in the sky exploded at the side of the plane and that, for a couple of seconds, the plane just sort of hung up in the sky like a toy. What she was witnessing was the 747 being arrested by intense missile shockwave forces. But at that very moment she said that another streak of reddish orange light came zooming up off of the water to the underneath of the plane and, at that moment, the plane shattered in half, turned to its side & plummeted to the sea below. No "zoom climb", as was the CIA's animation video and final conclusion.
@NATES84
@NATES84 3 жыл бұрын
you have the right and ignored story.Why they chose to ignore 100s of witnesses is chill,some of them were airline pilots and help guard pilots,experienced people
@ralphhenderson7270
@ralphhenderson7270 3 жыл бұрын
A retired Brigadier General, Benton Partin, confirmed it was his weapons technology that he had designed and developed at the weapons armament lab where he was a project engineer that took down that plane,...TWA was misidentified as a target drone....Gen. Partin passed away two years at 95.
@Romans8-9
@Romans8-9 Жыл бұрын
@@NATES84 Lol you are acting like all the eyewitness testimonies were completely identical. Many of them were conflicting and completely contradictory to each other.
@justanotherupscaspirant8837
@justanotherupscaspirant8837 Жыл бұрын
In my experience as a lawyer, a very common and illegal tactic to discredit legitimate eyewitnesses is to prop up potential witnesses. These are people who hadn't actually seen anything, but were close to the scene of the crime. These people are fed conflicting stories which they reproduce in court so that the prosecution/defence can claim unreliable testimony
@Masterpetegamer
@Masterpetegamer Жыл бұрын
I would never ever notice this story but, maybe i would like to say that the pilots that die and tried there best to save the plane and the passengers that died at the time of the crash may all go to heaven in peace and meet god in peace.
@quincylloyd1997
@quincylloyd1997 3 жыл бұрын
Navy accidently shot it down... So sad
@mintbrisk5961
@mintbrisk5961 3 жыл бұрын
If that’s the case then why did they say the AC was over clocking it and caused a fire?
@TunTheOfficial
@TunTheOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Why don’t the family want this to go in a museum?? Why not?
@IJustWantToUseMyName
@IJustWantToUseMyName 3 жыл бұрын
I read this quote from a victims assistance specialist from the NTSB in a news article: "(Families) did not want it to become something of a museum piece or where people just sort of casually walked by and looked at it," Bryson said. "If it served a purpose to improve safety and transportation and to teach, they were fully on board with that."
@midgie4410
@midgie4410 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't. And I would never want to see it
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 2 жыл бұрын
@@IJustWantToUseMyName I got one. Forensics are going to improve as time goes on. That's a good reason
@velvetnightmare3133
@velvetnightmare3133 Жыл бұрын
I cannot begin to understand what the families went through, but why would you get rid of aircraft like that that can be studied by future engineers? It's invaluable.
@Youdatguy
@Youdatguy 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up on Long Island in East Hampton and our Main Beach would have parts of the plane hitting shore often. It was so sad!!
@davidbennett3447
@davidbennett3447 Жыл бұрын
Yep found some myself surfing off of montauk
@griselleisara3799
@griselleisara3799 2 жыл бұрын
I will never forget this. We all know. What happened. They’re just not telling us.
@jeep146
@jeep146 3 жыл бұрын
You would think they would have a service at the plane for any family members wanting to attend before destroying it. A final farewell.
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
Why?
@jeep146
@jeep146 Ай бұрын
@@johnp139 Because their loved ones died in it. Once it's destroyed they is nothing left but memories.
@suzyq4982
@suzyq4982 Жыл бұрын
Those poor lost souls had a truly terrible ending - so sorry to everyone affected x
@letsgobrandon4601
@letsgobrandon4601 3 жыл бұрын
Never would’ve thought this back then but, I wonder who/what was on that plane?
@hugoschmeisser2484
@hugoschmeisser2484 3 жыл бұрын
back then we always knew the media & government was currupt but we knew (or thought) they would never go too far. now ? they don't even hide what they do. it's sad how much American has fallen
@johnp139
@johnp139 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisdooley6468 how many people were actually watching a dot in the air three miles away when they supposedly saw the missiles?
@megiab
@megiab 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisdooley6468 people swear to all sorts of things. i'd think if you have a background in private intelligence, you'd know better than to follow unfounded conspiracy theories. The not knowing is why they puzzled the whole plane together. They would have noticed a missile & not allowed the wreckage to be broadcast if it was some big cover-up obviously.
@andrewasp6043
@andrewasp6043 3 жыл бұрын
THAT PLANE WAS SHOT DOWN!!!
@Sacto1654
@Sacto1654 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewasp6043 It may not be a crazy idea. The Russians sold many SA-8 _Gecko_ (9K33) SAM systems to client Middle Eastern states during the Soviet era, and it's possible some terrorist group with good technical knowledge jury-rigged a 9K33 system to be launched from a boat. Given that the 9M33 missile could hit a target as high as 42,000 feet, such a jury-rigged system could easily hit that TWA 747.
@kennethbentley1152
@kennethbentley1152 2 жыл бұрын
The United States Navy will never admit fault
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
That's because they weren't at fault. See: Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 Philippine Airlines Flight 143
@raywest3834
@raywest3834 11 ай бұрын
@@lashlarue7924 The FAA never grounded any 747's after this crash, nor did they mandate any technical fixes, only issuing 'advisories', which are voluntary, proving they didn't buy the CWT theory.
@Concetta20
@Concetta20 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this. I was 12. It was the beginning of the end of TWA and everyone will always associate TWA with flight 800.
@marcathens2951
@marcathens2951 3 жыл бұрын
Wow unbelievable 25 years ago already ! I remember seeing the coverage on ABC that morning. Very sad. Prayers to all involved 🙏 ❤
@HORSEYANIME2024
@HORSEYANIME2024 11 ай бұрын
It needs to be preserved as a piece of history
@Rooki3_
@Rooki3_ 3 жыл бұрын
Is this the flight that was shot down by a navy missile?
@ralphhenderson7270
@ralphhenderson7270 3 жыл бұрын
YES,....two of them
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
No. It wasn't. Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 Philippine Airlines Flight 143
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
No
@JoeyLloydPhotography
@JoeyLloydPhotography 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but there were people on the ground that said they saw missiles hitting it. I will always believe a missile hit it
@heyman5525
@heyman5525 3 жыл бұрын
Actually (allegedly) the missile hit another plane that was flying into the world trade center at night. It was filled with so many explosives that it blew up flight 800. And there were reports that they pulled two planes out of the ocean. there were reports that this explosion was so large that it shook bridges in New York 10 miles away. but yes there was a u.s. coast guard Captain who witnessed a missile being fired from a ship. I don't know why the government chose to cover up this story since it was a real act of terrorism.
@johnp139
@johnp139 3 жыл бұрын
Why would anyone be watching a dot fly over 3 miles away from them?
@sean2015
@sean2015 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnp139 obviously the object (whatever it was) was bright, large and/or fast-moving enough to catch people's attention
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
Did a "missile" also hit Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 and Philippine Airlines Flight 143?
@travisdaughenbaugh9801
@travisdaughenbaugh9801 3 жыл бұрын
May god bless the families of victims from Montoursville PA.
@Seeker0fTruth
@Seeker0fTruth 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@JustJohn505
@JustJohn505 Жыл бұрын
Honestly placing it on a museum would be better than destroying it since this something we shouldn't forget about
@deltaflyer9078
@deltaflyer9078 3 жыл бұрын
REST IN PEACE. 🙏🏻
@SlickRick135
@SlickRick135 3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this when the news broke live, the footage of the flames on the water still haunt me til this day.
@nikalbhai7021
@nikalbhai7021 9 ай бұрын
Worst thing is, you don't know for sure what really happened😢, but till the last moment passengers didn't suffered everything happened very quick 😢
@vanishingflower2795
@vanishingflower2795 Жыл бұрын
My mother refuses to watch plane crashes cause of this flight. We live in PA and she had a lot of friends who died that day. She is okay to talk about it and what she believes happened only on the anniversary.
@judyswinson2053
@judyswinson2053 3 жыл бұрын
Important we remember
@PraveenSrJ01
@PraveenSrJ01 3 жыл бұрын
Very sad 😞. Hard to believe it was 25 years ago
@ezequielambrosio9668
@ezequielambrosio9668 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't this the flight 180 that was based in final destination? That movie is no joke about death.
@victorabrams637
@victorabrams637 3 жыл бұрын
so sad. still remember it as if it were last week. just awful. RIP.
@Jamk14
@Jamk14 Жыл бұрын
Crazy they destroyed that history piece
@Apex13crttv
@Apex13crttv Жыл бұрын
Tru
@germicanlifestyle9069
@germicanlifestyle9069 3 жыл бұрын
!Missiles explode!
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
So why did the wreckage show an explosion from WITHIN the fuel tank?
@Theoriginalfamilyfirstfilms
@Theoriginalfamilyfirstfilms 3 жыл бұрын
25 years and still suppressing the truth...
@ralphhenderson7270
@ralphhenderson7270 3 жыл бұрын
....absolutely
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
Yup, and also these two incidents are a "thing": Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 Philippine Airlines Flight 143
@raywest3834
@raywest3834 11 ай бұрын
@Theoriginalfamilyfirstfilms Interesting that in this entire video, CBS didn't mention how controversial this investigation remains.
@donnaking7439
@donnaking7439 3 жыл бұрын
It was shot down.
@goingslightlymad7172
@goingslightlymad7172 3 жыл бұрын
What about the missile strike theory?
@kennethfharkin
@kennethfharkin 3 жыл бұрын
The government does not want you to talk about that... www.nydailynews.com/new-york/obama-pilot-twa-flight-800-shot-article-1.2186329
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
Whuddabout Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 and Philippine Airlines Flight 143?
@u.s.m.c.fewproudthemarines2987
@u.s.m.c.fewproudthemarines2987 3 жыл бұрын
Very SAD
@pellajoe
@pellajoe Жыл бұрын
CBS helped with the cover up 25 years ago
@claudettedean3893
@claudettedean3893 2 жыл бұрын
I was 20 old and missed that flight because I'd misplaced my passport. By the time I found it I was late. TWA re-booked my flight after the crash. I was on a 747 with a stop in Rome.I don't know if it was a planned stop or a diverted one. We came to a halt and were still on the runway when we heard over the loudspeaker a very calm pilot telling the travelers we would be exiting as quickly as possible but "not to panic" duh!!! We we also told to leave EVERYTHING we had on the plane and I mean everything. We were tightly escorted by armed soldiers to a windowless room, frisked and asked questions but answered none of ours. We were asked to please sit down and be as quiet as possible. Many were whispering & I have excellent ears. They were whispering about terrorists, bombs, you name it and we were all suspects. After about 6 hours the military came for us and escorted us back to the same plane which I wanted nothing to do with.A wonderful flight attendant saw my distress and she whispered all the answers to my questions in my ear especially after seeing 3 or 4 packages wrapped in twine being heavily guarded with dogs on the runway.They were also wearing some kind of protective gear I refused to board until the attendant told me the truth.She admitted that the pkgs contained bombs that had been disabled.I really didn't want to get on after that. But was shaking so badly you could hear my teeth rattle She also asked me if I really thought she would get back on after that ? Although not calm she asked for a description and what I left behind and retrieved it She was super attentive to me the rest of the trip which seemed to take forever. When the plane started rolling I saw a TWA way across the field with a huge hole from cockpit to first class. She saw my reaction and was there in a minute with a big oj that had some happy juice in it. Everybody was drinking the happy stuff so far I agreed and felt real good. TWA offered free food, drinks the works and they brought on extra staff to keep the anxious ones like me calm. They also handed out a lot of puke bags. Have to say God was my real protection because I had a couple more serious close calls in the 70"s.I hate flying now but I have become a believer in a REAL GOD and HIS SON who saved my soul May God Bless any one who flies today. BTW I was on the same flight from Boston to San Francisco before 911. God Rest those poor souls who died. They lied to everyone and are still covering up the truth. Military ships were sent out to find remains.I knew a Sgt. Helping and he told me on the qt that there were many survivors but the sharks had a field day until the ships arrived. His description of them was horrible and I won't even go more than ankle deep in the ocean
@claudettedean3893
@claudettedean3893 2 жыл бұрын
I never believed those thing6had been disarmed.
@patrickmorrissey2271
@patrickmorrissey2271 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously, condolences must be expressed to the families & loved ones of the victims of this tragedy.... If you're really interested in this, you need to read Night Fall, by Nelson DeMille.... And then do a little google searching.... A lot of questions, have never been properly answered, about this entire affair....
@charlestesoro7902
@charlestesoro7902 3 жыл бұрын
Do not dismiss all of the eyewitnesses.
@SlayerofFiction
@SlayerofFiction 3 жыл бұрын
80 percent of people in prison who were convicted on "Eye Witness" testimony are exonerated by DNA. I trust what people see about as much as I trust what Trump says.
@jameshoran8
@jameshoran8 3 жыл бұрын
That following December, I was on TWA flight 880 to Rome from JFK. Why was that 747 plane still flying if it was mechanical failure five months later. And it was never grounded. James Kallstrum, the head of the FBI investigation got a real sweetheart retirement package for playing ball. He said it was mechanica,l but he well knew it was a missile that brought that plane down, accidental or not.
@stevenbeach748
@stevenbeach748 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been to the NTSB headquarters where that plane is now and took the class about it. Only under a very specific set of circumstances can that happen again. Boeing put out a special bulletin specifying how much fuel needs to be in the center tank if you’re going to run the air conditioners for a long time. The planes are not unsafe.
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
Nope, sorry. BS. 💩 Explain these with your cute missile theory: Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 Philippine Airlines Flight 143
@star2be83
@star2be83 3 жыл бұрын
Im a New Yorker and I remember that day.. RIP 🙏
@eclipse8882
@eclipse8882 3 жыл бұрын
This plane is so huge
@jamesjackman4638
@jamesjackman4638 11 ай бұрын
I can't believe that its been 28 years since then as I can remember this disaster as if it was yesterday as I was 16 back then. I was on holiday in the UK, I had a nightmare of being on a plane that disintegrated in flight the night before. The next day when the news broke my blood ran cold and I went as white as a sheet. Rest in peace to all of the victims of this disaster and my prayers for the families of those who are left behind.
@johnp139
@johnp139 Ай бұрын
I love the “eyewitness” that SWEARS that she HEARD the explosion before SEEING IT, even though she said that she was looking that direction when it happened! She defies PHYSICS!!!
@JackMillsPilot
@JackMillsPilot 3 жыл бұрын
“It’s being decommissioned” It was decommissioned when it hit the ocean
@jermed2001
@jermed2001 3 жыл бұрын
This comment is tacky.
@charlessaunders1217
@charlessaunders1217 5 ай бұрын
Final destination, took inspiration on this crazy event
@jritter1
@jritter1 3 жыл бұрын
Has anyone ever been curious why it was CIA animation??
@jeffreyepstien9205
@jeffreyepstien9205 3 жыл бұрын
Because technically the plane was going foreign. So passengers could be from all over Europe
@AviationDirection
@AviationDirection 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyepstien9205 That's a non-answer. It was CIA because they were involved as the cause of the crash (you can hide the facts if you make your own animation).
@jimziemer474
@jimziemer474 3 жыл бұрын
I’m still skeptical.
@jritter1
@jritter1 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimziemer474 Agreed
@carolsworld6146
@carolsworld6146 3 жыл бұрын
So sad
@EZR09
@EZR09 3 жыл бұрын
I was eleven when this tragedy occurred!
@WJack97224
@WJack97224 3 жыл бұрын
There were lots of people who said they saw a streak of light heading toward the jet. I am suspicious.
@ralphhenderson7270
@ralphhenderson7270 3 жыл бұрын
A retired Brigadier General, Benton Partin, confirmed it was his weapons technology that he had designed and developed at the weapons armament lab where he was a project engineer that took down that plane,...TWA was misidentified as a target drone. The FBI took all the eyewitness statements and their official cause for dismissing their statements was because the eyewitnesses were all 'incapacitated'....(official FBI statement)
@chevfan88
@chevfan88 3 жыл бұрын
Was 9 years old when this terrible tragedy happened
@csick11
@csick11 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a flash of light like a flare climbing up and then a loud boom. My eyes doesn't fit narrative so nobody believes me
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 Жыл бұрын
Also destroying by evil CIA operatives: Thai Airways Intl Flight 114 Philippine Airlines Flight 143
@smedoz
@smedoz 3 жыл бұрын
I saw this happen while on the beach, never saw such a big fireball
@ChristianGlemaud
@ChristianGlemaud 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t even imagine witnessing such a thing 😱
@momof5kiddos
@momof5kiddos 7 ай бұрын
What did you see in the air.. did you see it explode and just fall or ? What did you see?
@smedoz
@smedoz 7 ай бұрын
@@momof5kiddos two giant fireballs and then they started falling. I think I remember seeing the two halves seperate as fireballs, but it’s been so long.. Fireball was so big though it was small plane over the beach. Didn’t realize it was 8 miles out to sea.
@miafillene4396
@miafillene4396 3 жыл бұрын
I find it creepy seeing the rebuilt fuselage. I am glad they are getting rid of the remnants. God rest and keep those poor souls.
@ralphhenderson7270
@ralphhenderson7270 3 жыл бұрын
...the cockpit was brought up, yet it's not attached to the rest of the plane
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 2 жыл бұрын
It's history. Just like you can see the Station fire happen, the Green Hornet streetcar disaster photos or whatnot.
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 2 жыл бұрын
Plus, forensics get better...
@davidbennett3447
@davidbennett3447 Жыл бұрын
I saw it in person after they pieced it together. It was huge
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