It is better just because you no longer need an Amplifier, which is total 💩 in phones. Also no way to have any static.

omg so trueee. if i want a lossless experience i just plug in the wired earphone and called it a day, not stressing over the highest audio quality a bluetooth can transmit 😅

yes same thing happened to me

Such a cool thought! It really sounds fine.

@@rudolfappel7236 I don't think ANC is more healthy for your ears. That's just your impression. ANC bombs your ears with other frequencies to create the noise cancelling effect and is very very stressful for our ears

Yeah but also you weren’t carrying around all the CDs in the world in your pocket and listening to them magically over a wireless connection in 1982.

@@Filtersloth True, but we could have the quality standard from 82 all the time up to 2021. Anyways Im amazed to maybe get to listen to lossless audio on my recently purchased BTR5 just via an update possibly.

I would argue that we've had the standard all along. People just didn't care about quality, only quantity, quantity, quantity.

@@Filtersloth Yeah, but you will NEVER be able to listen to the music in all the CDs in the world in any of your outings with Bluetooth. You will be lucky if you get to listen to two or maybe three complete albums the most.

pretty sure lossless streaming existed for years, so no. and for lossless bt codec, LDAC isn’t perfect, but it is very close to that, so I don’t really see your point.

LDAC is even better.

Maybe it wont sound as good as a dedicated home setup, but who said it needs to compete with one, to still be considered great fidelity. hey there, I think I'll start with an extremely brief explanation of fidelity. Bit rate isn't fidelity. fidelity is a way of explaining somethings reproduced accuracy to a source. EQ and dynamic range also play roles in audio fidelity. Also, a little critical thinking would lead you to the conclusion that the only people asking for lossless are people people who know what lossless is, such as myself who stream lossless. while your statement about that was quite presumptuous, it only speaks for the ones who don't care anyway and generalizes the rest of us under that same umbrella. finally regarding that may I ask who's actually "complaining", as you said? on top of that audio fidelity isn't as simple as great at home and shit elsewhere, only a sith deals in absolutes, come on now. Also if you're not an audiophile that's perfectly fine, if you don't understand us that's fine too... Just ask us, don't speak for us. What about people buying sports cars? most people get absolutely zero real world advantages from it. Same with buying nike airs, who can truly justify buying proper sports trainers beyond the small nuances that THEY personally perceive. It's perfectly reasonable to want something just just a little better. maybe you accept you wont get that $20,000 audio experience when on a train, but don't want to settle for normal headphones, maybe even something just a little bit better is satisfying, maybe they want even more to satiate the desire, hence this new (to be) standard. One can hear GREAT fidelity (wired or wireless) almost anywhere, particularly with ANC lowering the effects of your aforementioned noisy environments. also, what about those working in offices, study halls, maybe a dorm room, maybe at home because dad's using the main system (my kids problem lol) Maybe it wont sound as good as a dedicated home setup, but who said it needs to compete with one to be considered great fidelity..? plus it will CERTAINLY will sound better than normal/cheaper earbuds/headphones regardless of your environment.

Once Apple goes lossless then thats gonna be the big one where everyone now is gonna jump on board to stay relevant. Especially since Apple now has lossless audio on Apple music. “Twas never a matter of if, only when”

Would be nice...would also be cool to have an amplified version with options calibrated for different cans

2. Yeah, you can do it using sony Headphoned app by writing force 990 in firmware. Dev. setting do not work for me. But, I am afraid for me it works very good, but of course much much worse than with no forcing it. Nevertheless, I am afraid you gf phone has to have bad bluetooth somehow, maybe not a Samsung flagman? Dunno.

192 kbps is indistinguishable from CD for most persons. Streaming services like Amazon Music seem to use much lower encoding and also compress the dynamics of the music stream. Amazon Music sounds terrible in many cases even on highest quality setting.

Dude’s a huge electronic fan and as far as it goes AT is the pinnacle of it.

I've been meaning to listen to Aphex Twin. I love a lot of bands that are said to be similar to them.

That's really odd, since the xm3 always uses its own internal amp to DSP correct, to my ear they always sound worse when running through a dedicated amp.

Loving my XM3’s.

That is an excellent question: having BT lossless via update would be a mega hit !!!

I highly doubt it.

CD Quality is 1411 KBPS not MBPS so 1 MBPS is way above CD Quality

The answer to this is lossless compression. Uncompressed CD quality is 1411 Kbps as you said. But uncompressed is not exactly the same as lossless, and vice versa compressed does not necessarily mean lossy. A good example is a FLAC file. It is lossless, meaning it retains bit-perfect information ofthe source, yet it is compressed to roughly half the size of equivalent WAV files. The headphones would need an extra step to do the decompression of the AptX Lossless data stream, but compressing audio losslessly to roughly 70% of bitrate (1411 -> 1000 Kbps) is possible without much of a hussle.

Do you mean separate components as in portable ones, like headphone amps and/or DACs? These are pretty niche purchases and I’m sure don’t factor in to what the average audiophile wishes to worry about for their commuting set-up. We know that passive, wired IEMs can easily outperform BT headphones when fed by an ultra-compact DAC, so I’m not sure your argument holds up where over-ear headphones are concerned; space is not an issue. If you mean separate components as in home hifi, then you’re ruling out portable listening entirely - which is a big part of how a lot of us want to listen to our music.

CDs didn't use any compression at all. This is going to use lossless compression. > What happens with the 400 kbps that is needed to be considered CD quality? While this is technically possible, the only way it would happen is if you played random bits instead of music. Anything that we would consider music would be far enough away from random bits that compression will work fine.

CD Quality is 1411 Kbps not 1400

The Apple Lightning Adapter supports 24 bit 48 KHz Apple Lossless, right? So a 'medium res' file at that rate will still go through the built-in DAC to my wired cans, right? While I'm out and about I do use Bluetooth earphones for its convenience.

@@nelsonwong4631 sounds about right. also there's no built in DAC in the iDevices now - the DAC lives in the dongle that apple sells. And I consider everything above 16/44.1 as hi res personally - could never hear the difference between lossless and hi res lossless.

Correct. Albeit you really need 100% perfect conditions to use it, only works on their devices :( and their app :( Snapdragon Sound will surely have the same limitations tho except it'll be available to every manufacturer out there, which is a big plus compared to UAT.

no that's not the same thing and doesn't compare. it requires wires to play. also its not new. just not good enough to talk about, yet.

Like aptX HD and LDAC, UAT will *play* hi-res files but not without throwing data away. It is not lossless.

@@DarkoAudio no,its not,but 1.2mb/s,highest to date codec. Of course Qualcomm bigger player then HI BY,so,we all know the outcome :-)

That's true indeed. I just had troubles with LDAC at high quality, really wondering how they managed a robust lossless connection!!

Ditched apple and the i phone years back,, pants,,

Looking for the next "apple"

Yeah. I’m a frustrated iPhone user too. I like most of the stuff about my 12 Pro Max, especially the battery life, but Apple’s attitude to audio totally sucks. It positions iPhone as a really high end product and seems to focus a lot on screen and camera quality but seems to make no attempt whatsoever to elevate the audio experience beyond basic AAC, not even AptX HD. I can’t say I’m optimistic for the future either. Knowing Apple if it does do a lossless codec it will be proprietary in an attempt to force people to buy its headphones & earbuds. Grrrrrrr.

is it still unstable if the mobile phone is just 1 - 2 meter away from us? let say if we put it in our pocket..

It likely depends on the hardware at each end. In my experience I've only ever once had drop out problems when I had to change LDAC settings. This occurred on a plane with many other people using Bluetooth devices and it's only one of many other flights without issues. I always use quality preferred on LDAC which I believe forces 990kbps connection. My Xperia XZ1 Compact is mainly the source but I also use LDAC on my Samsung Tab S5E and Tab S7 plus. They all work fine on 990 settings streaming to my Sony WH-1000XM2' headphones and my IFI Zen Blue streamers that are LDAC capable. I have one Zen blue in my system at home and one at work. I actually have been surprised how far out into the yard at work the connection remains stable. I've always found Bluetooth was noticeably inferior to playing a cd in my home set-up. Streaming over WIFI to a Chromecast audio even didn't measure up to playing a cd in my system. Since using LDAC via the IFI Zen Blue in my system I can't pick a difference any more. My music is stored on sd cards on my Android devices as FLAC files that are mostly 16 bit 44.1khz quality with some 24 bit 96khz files.

Not only! You can use headphones app to set 990.

Doesn’t Apple do airplay to beats solo/pro and airpod max?

@@davidohr2511 it was rumored to happen when apple debuted lossless streaming but it never panned out

It’s like asking Apple to make Wi-Fi headphones. Airplay is basically Wi-Fi signals

Yeah let's see which phones have headjack oh wait cables that can break over time. Cons of Bluetooth headphones is the lifespan of the battery.

Yeh I did like wired headphones, oh wait, my phone doesn't have a headphone jack.

A good point, works for me though I use the Hiby W3 saber. Use in the car too as has great sound. Now if a manufacturer was to build in ANC to one of those things it would be another game changer.

In the quest of satisfying grumpy old men, if technology boundaries are pushed, then its a win-win for everyone.

I get more fatigue from lossy stuff, always have. It sounds OK, not great. Lossless BT is a game changer.

you took my words!!! :)

Only issue is, it will be proprietary and you'll only have a limited choice for headphones. HiFi manufacturers seem to have settled that Android is the audiophiles device of choice.

They got to cos what was the point make all off us buy wireless AirPods and now if we what listen lossless audio we have to buy new headphones

But Apple does not use Qualcomm ARM flavour of silicon...

John's point there isn't about wired vs wireless per se, but that the headphones contain the DAC, amp and speaker drivers and will now have CD quality source material.. doesn't leave much space for analogue headphones really.

Also.. no it isn't, hardly anyone uses cables now, and I get 300mbit/s wireless. WiFi didn't entirely kill wires but is much much more widely used than RJ45

What do you mean by 'fits the bill'? No product on the market does aptX Lossless yet! :D

@@DarkoAudio As in the product you’d recommend to a friend.

Ah yes! Ha. I became so focussed on the technicalities of aptX Lossless that I forgot about that intro question. My apologies.

Happens to the best of us.

@@DarkoAudio so my Powernode and Galaxy phone will likely need to be replaced. Sounds like $1500 well spent in a years time. ☺

Seinnhesser did a set of open backed that did. It was fine for indoor use. I can't recall the 'software' behind it, but it's 'disappeared'. They still have a couple of sets that are for use with TVs.

Nope. aptX always has previously delivered 24/96 but with lossy compression. The lossy bit they obfuscated. This new update won't change that.

@@DarkoAudio ok, found it in the press note, thanks.

True dat. But now they can go be grumpy about something else. 😆