French guns, they should have known better than to let him in, in the first place....and he haven't found the 7.35mm stash yet to hoard like a dragon

The curator panics and search's his rifles, surely Ian hasn't been to this collection yet? He couldn't have, last week he was still in the walls of the last collection. He should have a few days and a few videos before he makes it here to take away these rifles.... Then he hears it.... A voice over his shoulder... "Hey guys.... thanks for tuning in...." as the curator turns he sees and empty spot where the 1950B used to be... Dear God he's here....

@@redking1851you described this like he’s an SCP and i love it

"Monsieur, please, eet is time to close for the night, zee staff wants to go home"

I was literally baffled by this guns existence and had a moment of cognitive dissonance 🤣

Couldn't have said it better

Couldn't have put it better myself

Gun Jesus out here making people discover gun kinks.

this was great! Im a cetme fan and I know of the ww2 german roller delay work and now I know how it all went down. Spain picked a winner

Almost wish we got handed some of these in the states service at the time Considering how everyone in their mother in that Jungle warfare started opting for M1/M2 carbines for that reason... And then immediately complained about not having enough power but besides the point Would've been a nice upgrade to have around

Mind, the French loved the .30carbine M1 for its own sake, and the Germans had only just introduced the concept of intermediate ammunition select-fire weapons to the world. It was not obvious that a high-powered pistol-type cartridge wouldn't prove just as good for the role as a scaled-down rifle-type ammunition. M1 Carbines already worked much better for combat than originally conceived, so I suspect the main thought was not "it is what we have" but rather "we like the ammunition what we have, but we want an action that is much easier to produce." M1 Carbines, while cheaper than M1 Rifles, were still something that was only "cheap" by American standards, not cheap compared to what France was hoping to achieve.

I would still rather have 8x33 kurz for that application...

@@BasedOddz idk man 30 carbine is like 7.62 tokarev but hotter.

@@theocorkrean6810 .30 carbine is more similar to a middle ground between .357 and .44 magnum but instead of a fat heavy bullet it's a thin light bullet which allows it to travel at faster speeds

There's only one miss. Being used in action, perhaps a scratch or hole in the butstock where a VietMinh bullet hit/graesed it?

If .30 carbine could be loaded hotter in this gun it would still be an upgrade.

@@theocorkrean6810 it's a pretty hot round as is.

The 30 carbine was already loaded fairly hot at the time. The limitation is the fact it's derived from the .32 wls which was a small game cartridge. If the Army went for a .351 wsl derivative instead of the .32, the M1 carbine could have been quite the gun

@@phantomsoldier497 It can be very effective, as long as you realize it's a close range weapon. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNJ2eJNzzNC3pGQ.html

M2 was almost half as light as this German in disguise.

I agree strongly. They'd be lightweight and an ideal amount of effectiveness for home defense

🙋🏽‍♂️ditto

Doubtful we’ll ever see a resurgence of .30 Carbine, especially since .300 blackout exists now. A .30 Super carry PCC might be cool though.

.350 Legend would be a modern counterpart

There’s the FAMAE .30 carbine by well FAMAE.

I'm in the exact same boat :)

Do you have the 30 carb handgun

I feel like PTR would come with this since .30 Carbine is a fun plinking round

I believe it is my favorite as well. I knew that some of the refugees from Mauser, via the Mauser great escape by train, eventually ended up in France, including Dr. Vorgrimmler. I also knew that the French had them working on a 30 Carbine rifle. I knew that Dr. Vorgrimmler eventually moved on to Spain, and that Francisco Franco established CETME so that Vorgrimmler could carry on with his work and produce the CETME rifle design which was adopted by Spain, and which ultimately brought things full circle back to the ex-Mauser facility in Oberndorf, which was then occupied by HK. This is after Germany first adopted the FAL as the G1, but when FN denied them the license-to-build the G1 they "discovered" Dr. Vorgrimmler and his work with the CETME rifle, which then became the G3. This is all such an intriguing adventure story, almost like it was written by Ken Follett or Tom Clancy! But it was true! It actually happened! But I never thought I would have the opportunity to (virtually) examine the rifle that fills a huge void in that chain of events. Very satisfying! Thank you.

IKR, Take my money!

Not to mention the overall size and weight reduction too! Looks like it would be a joy to shoot

In .22 Spitfire, what could have been.....

Shame US and its M14 + 7.62 x 51 mm ruined it all.. smh.

Or the CETME A is like a spanish CEAM 1950B, rather ;)

Mas bien los dos ,una actualización del sturmgewehr 44-45

it is a firearm in a reference collection of a law enforcement organization. So normally, it should be in a condition to shoot, otherwise, it would not be very useful.

This CEAM 1950 B *certainly looks* like it could shoot, it is intact with all components working as designed as intended - but Ian would most likely not be allowed. Plus he can not bring in live ammunition ( customs, he is in France for this video ), and the institute would have rules about only using their ammo for real study or investigation - leaving no shooting demo on a super rare firearm.

They also have a wide collection of pistols or rifles used in famous assassinations (or attempts)

They probably also have all the weird unique custom stuff the GIGN messed with over the years which would be interesting to look at.

Or Eurasia

@@Ingsoc75 we've always been at war with Eastasia.

@@Evilliboba we’ve always been friends with EastAsia, and we’ve always been at war with Eurasia, what do you mean?

@@organiccrack516 We’ve always been friends with Eurasia, and we’ve always been at war with EastAsia, what do you mean?

Interesting the 1984 film used Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbines, perhaps because they looked familiar and unusual at the same time.

IN A MINUTE! .30 carbine does not get the respect that it deserves. The Germans loved them, and captured as many as they could.

@@MrBullethead63 I'd argue it was ahead of its time, a true PDW cartridge decades before the 5.7.

well... before the CETME becoming a thing, CEAM was working on developing their own stuff based on the StG45(M) with the help of Mauser engineers who went to france to work in it. Until the french government pulled the plug of the project, then Ludwig Vorgrimler moved to Spain to continue the project there. The rest we know how it ended.

The STGs cousin, raised in France since birth

Ha he reviewed a Franchi LF-58 prototype, the resemblance would have been stronger. That's a real STG-44 style tilting bolt action and stamped steel receiver in .30 Carbine.

Probably wouldn't sell well though

@@BeltFedSelfDefenseIdk, if Inland and Auto Ordnance can keep on making M1 Carbine clones for this long, I'd imagine PTR might do okay. Besides, most their guns are collected by people who will buy up almost everything they make.

I liked that too. I think it does act as a handguard. I think it would get bent pretty easily or fail to clip back up soon in a combat rifle though:)

@@britjohnson1990 I'm sure that a production rifle would be a bit more robust than this one.

@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 probably. That sheetmetal bipod would have to be much thicker. I like bipods built into the handguard in general like the fal or famas

i know I’m a year late, but the whole “.30 carbine is dogshit, couldn’t penetrate thick winter coat in korea” is largely due to the ammo issued(gee, where’ve i heard that before) being formulated for tropical conditions during ww2 in the pacific, along with soldiers missing because its kinda hard to aim when some guy is suppressing your position with a 35-71 round mag ppsh at blistering high fire rates.

Yup , I still have about 5 cans of S Korean M1 ball on 10 round stripper clips manufactured at LC from the 80's. Good stuff!

Be aware some French berdan ammo was corrosive, as well as exact copies of LC53 US ammo made by our "friends", the Red Chinese. It was an exact copy except for being berdan primed and highly corrosive. If you have an such ammo, be sure to clean the bore with hot soapy water after use.

@@828enigma6 All of my ammo was made in USA and exported to S Korea, it has US and Korean markings on the cans and bandoliers. I came across it and bought it all for a very good price, like .30 a round many years ago.

You mean the .300 Blackout/Whisper? If the .223 family had been around in 1938, they may well have worked with that case rather than the .32 Win Self Loading, and the result would have had more room and enabled heavier, subsonic suppressor-friendly rounds. Maybe if someone reproduces this one, the BO will be available in it.

Kel-Tec has it on it's SU-16 series.

It's kind of useless in practice, which is why it has never caught on

Their was an israel mp gali in 30 carbine, took m2 mags. I've only seen one image on a Wikipedia page never more than that.

They are afraid of him getting into their really really rare collection and making it out with them

I love mine but the AR carbine nextvto it in the safe is a far better rifle.

It sounds like you're saying your grandfather carried an M1911 with a 15 round magazine during the Korean and Vietnam wars. "My grandfather in Korea and Vietnam wars carried a M1911 and kept a 15 round mag in it" Do you mean to say he carried am M1 carbine with a 15 round magazine in it, and an M1911?

@@Dick_Gozinya Maybe it was some custom field made extended mag? Connecting two 1911 mags should give something like 15 rounds because standard mag has 7 and if you connect two you still need only one follower so it would be something like 15.

I wish Chiappa made a version in 7.62x25

The first center fire rifle I owned was a used Universal .30 with a 4X scope in like new condition. I can't begin to tell how much fun my friends and I had with that rifle. Learned how to reload to reduce ammo costs because of that gun.

Chondroitin, bro, it's a life-changer.

I'd never realised how much he looks like an otter until that moment.

lol

Nice ! XD

Perhaps convince the US to adopt it as M1 replacement?

The British ADEN 30mm revolver cannon was derived from the same source. It was widely used in the 50s and 60s. The Germans did a great job on that design!

@@alun7006 Correct! same ammunition, same performance, same "father".

Im guessing but I think a tapered case (8mm kurz) would work better in this roller delay design. I know the cetme first greased then added a fluted chamber for better extraction. The 30 carbine is pretty straight

And the CETME infantry rifle, was originally meant to fire a 7.92x41mm cartridge, which had a very long bullet.

@@Xerxes1688 yes, more or less like the .280 british, which was, in my personal opinión, the cartridge that the NATO should had adopted ínstead of the overpowered .308

@@migueltraviesa2987 I would have adopted both. The .280 for rifles and LMGs/SAWs, and .308 for GPMGs, DMRs and Sniper rifles.

Here's a video on the CB-51: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oJ6Kg5OrlbzHk5c.html

@@ForgottenWeapons thanks a lot

I was about to make the same comment. Great content as always!

Thanks for confirming this. I'm not a native French speaker but I remembered the pronunciation as " Mül ooze" from my last visit there.

Even better, I'd like to see ME shooting it!

The StG45(M) and the CEAM project paved the way for the CETME and the G3...

@@HK33E I know.

In german: Mühlhausen ( Mühle- mill).

The M16 is in my opinion a better choice. 5.56 is a fairly decent rifle and unlike a lot of other rifles out there can handle a bit of mud and fouling.

From what I’ve gathered the AK and the 7.62x39 outclassed the M2 and .30 Carbine so we probably would’ve ended up with an intermediate cartridge regardless.

The main thing is that these weapons are only for study and Ian is not going to be allowed to shoot in their labs. Also the ammunition they have at the institute is for only study/crime investigations and would not be available to use. And Ian has no way to bring anything more then inert "dummy" ammo with his few tools ( usually a ball point pen, lol ), because he is in France ( the airline restrictions as well as customs both ways ).

If only an American firearm company could buy the rights to this, make refinements, and then bring to market.

@@algernonsidney3982 I'm not sure if anyone owns the IP to this anymore, as it's 70+ years old, older than HK, and CEAM doesn't exist anymore. PTR could probably make it with a generous investment in R&D and tooling, the question is if market size justifies the investment.