CEASE AND DESIST. I NEVER THOUGHT THIS WOULD HAPPEN!

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@MagdaRantanplan 3 жыл бұрын

You know you've made it as a cheese maker if you get a "Cheese and Desist" from the cheese mafia.

@listinglazily 3 жыл бұрын

I am not ashamed to say this comment made me guffaw.

@Snoverseer 2 жыл бұрын

Does cheese lore go this deep?

@PumpkinPails Жыл бұрын

Not “cheese and desist”! 💀

@elise205 9 ай бұрын

@@Snoverseercheese is one of the great conflicts between European countries that exists today. You best believe that here in Europe we take cheese SERIOUSLY, and that yes, ridiculous though it is, cheese lore does go this deep. It's absolutely absurd tbh, I mean it's only cheese. Sure it's delicious and adds something to almost any meal but like. It's cheese. It doesn't need a mafia.

@Snoverseer 9 ай бұрын

Holy crap cheese lore does go this deep

@schnitzngiggles9785 3 жыл бұрын

Cheese and desist.

@THCMusicBlog 3 жыл бұрын

ah beat me to it

@blacky3ard 3 жыл бұрын

This.

@pamwineinger2374 3 жыл бұрын

Haha

@sammyston 3 жыл бұрын

Need a t-shirt with this

@markschroter2640 3 жыл бұрын

@@sammyston Add Grandpa Padano and I want one too.

@emmabroughton2039 3 жыл бұрын

I propose Gavin's version to be named GRAINY PADAINY, which is a completely different cheese to Grana Padano.

@thomaisdefois 3 жыл бұрын

That was really creative and funny :)

@ophliablue 3 жыл бұрын

Lol!

@roblynch7234 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps Gavin’s cheese could be named Prana Gadano

@mylesharrison2080 3 жыл бұрын

@@roblynch7234 Or maybe Curd Nerds?

@NaturopathsGarden 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely lol

@GenScinmore 3 жыл бұрын

Sad, but also must be satisfying as you said you got so close they got scared. A testament to your skill as a cheesemaker.

@cinemaparadiso5402 3 жыл бұрын

We need to boycott Grana Padano cheese 🧀🍕 ..let's teach them the American way! & make companies & industries think twice before doing sh,it like this!

@lognomodeimeme 3 жыл бұрын

@@cinemaparadiso5402 well, it's the americans who are bringing protectionism in world markets even though you claim to deploy "free market"

@cinemaparadiso5402 3 жыл бұрын

@@lognomodeimeme Well,.. America's foreign and internal policies are ALL about GLOBAL Zionism and Zionists Masonic interests .. the American people are all about work, sports and alcohol ..However, as my great-grandma always said: "Just 'cause you're hung like a moose doesn't mean you gotta do po.rn." but I am NOT hung! .. Any other questions?

@costakeith9048 3 жыл бұрын

@@lognomodeimeme Protectionism is a different matter entirely; PDO's are generally not enforceable in the US, it's a European fetish.

@neuralwarp 3 жыл бұрын

The American Whey. But don't you mean Ossie?

@Convescation 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine being so good at making cheese, that you get targeted

@moroteseoinage 3 жыл бұрын

Legend say he’s been making cheese since the beginning of time

@justinfletcher8816 3 жыл бұрын

cheese god

@BlackMilkSleep 3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Hostetler Not necessarily. Sending a C/D allows him to fail to meet their demands, which they would use to prove he was operating in bad faith to get monetary compensation in court. If YT simply took down his video they would be unable to sue for damages.

@maymay5600 3 жыл бұрын

i guess he was pissing off the wrong italians so much

@shawnmiller4781 3 жыл бұрын

Bullseye Padang.... new name for the cheese

@GlenAndFriendsCooking 3 жыл бұрын

Makes me want to make a Grana Padano style cheese on my channel...

@vladdx 3 жыл бұрын

Go ahead as long as you don't claim it tastes like Grana Padano just like Gavin said in his tasting video which caused the Cease and Desist letter.

@VandrothSoryn 3 жыл бұрын

All Foodtube should make it!

@GlenAndFriendsCooking 3 жыл бұрын

@@VandrothSoryn blanket KZfaq with grano padano style cheese recipes.

@vexbomer 3 жыл бұрын

Do it glen!!

@pollythefarmer9246 3 жыл бұрын

Geez,Canadians love talking a big game. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that this will not happen.

@Theoldindie 9 ай бұрын

Im watching this 2 years later and your video on Grana Padano "style" cheese is still on YT . . You must have won! 😂

@GavinWebber 9 ай бұрын

Indeed

@theclumsycookingmexican6934 3 жыл бұрын

Let's stand with Gavin! Don't let those "legal" companies bully you

@lawfulmasses 3 жыл бұрын

There's something called "trademark fair use". Comparing your recipe to a brand shouldn't offend actual trademark law. I'll have a video or livestream on it tomorrow.

@lawfulmasses 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know about the rest of the world, but here's US law on it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(U.S._trademark_law)

@RonsarLo 3 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to it! 😊

@shawnmiller4781 3 жыл бұрын

I was going to email you To see if you could do something about this situation, I lol forward to your analysis

@kenalebla 3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that. I know tm laws are complicated, but I'd think the s and d is more bark than bite. Looking forward to your video!

@Binchaloo 3 жыл бұрын

Do all countries have this law

@psilla69 3 жыл бұрын

If I were you, I would print the email, frame it and hang it on my wall. Consider it a trophy. Your a threat to Grana Padano. Shows how good a cheese maker you are.

@ShockingPikachu 3 жыл бұрын

Somehow some Australian guy making cheese in his kitchen is a threat to these people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@IronTiger 3 жыл бұрын

I look forward to watching your "Granny Pedantic" cheese video.

@KnightReav3r 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know how I got here but I guess I'm a member of the cheese revolution now. Down with the consortium!

@gmal619 3 жыл бұрын

You made it onto the "Grana Padano" wiki page under "Controversy." As the P.T. Barnum said, "There is no such thing as bad publicity!"

@chouseification 3 жыл бұрын

that has been zapped (you can see it in old versions tab) how rude! There has been somebody adding it and some user named Vaselineeeeeeeee who keeps deleting it. Bah, humbug.

@mr_roo 3 жыл бұрын

IP lawyer here, tell em to get stuffed! You're not using their trademark as a trademark, and you're perfectly entitled to describe how to make any kind of cheese you like, unless the cheese is patented (which they don't mention and I very much doubt). Let em threaten - they are purely bluffing.

@TonyWeirPD 3 жыл бұрын

That was my take also. As I understand the law, PDO applies only to products placed on the market. It does not apply to descriptions of how those products are made. If they did, then (say) Discovery Channel documentaries about cheesemaking wouldn't get made.

@johnr797 3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyWeirPD thank you, the whole point of the PDO is to protect their market. A video on a website explicitly stating that a cheese isn't the same as the PDO cheese and not selling the cheese, there's no way that could be construed as violating whatever kind of agreement Australia has with the EU as if it did 1) the precedent it would set would be insane, and 2) it's completely against the spirit of the 'inherited' law anyways.

@Galf506 2 жыл бұрын

They can still get you for using the name, you can't claim your cheese is Grana Padano. It's a protected NAME not just product.

@alexibz2 2 жыл бұрын

@@Galf506 he didn't call his cheese Grana Padana,and is not marketing itso no they can't,

@markobighead3173 2 жыл бұрын

You can't really patent a food anyway. If someone wants to reverse engineer how a food is made, they can. You can't monopolise a food and anyone who tries to would be laughed at and launched out of any courtroom where they try to defend this idea no matter what trademark designation they've been granted. This premise is even more laughable when it's not even a recipe but simply a modification of a single ingredient. If I wanted to make a three tiered burger with a special sauce or a fried chicken using eleven different herbs and spices, I'm allowed to. Food companies copy each other's formats and basic premise of their recipes all the time. You can't patent a food. It will never hold up in court. All you can trademark is brand names.

@jocec820 3 жыл бұрын

You should call it "The Series of Cheeses that shall not be named"

@BC-vg3zf 3 жыл бұрын

Moldymort

@cardiacjunkie 3 жыл бұрын

@@BC-vg3zf That made me lol for real. Brilliant!!! 😂

@_Glutton_ 3 жыл бұрын

Had a good laugh at "How to create counterfeit replicas of cheese" What a joke

@vulpine321 3 жыл бұрын

just call your version of the cheese Gavino pedantico cheeso

@joho0 3 жыл бұрын

That's not a bad name. I was thinking my first choice, "Giorgio Lombardi has a prolapsed anus" is just too wordy.

@vulpine321 3 жыл бұрын

@@joho0 lol

@RandyBroderick 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking "Grand Piano" cheese...

@Antiluls 3 жыл бұрын

make sure to bolden the pedantic part... and maybe mmake it size 100.... and maybe in red.

@SomnoNaut 3 жыл бұрын

@@RandyBroderick Also, register a PDO of EVERYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT THE GRANA PEDANO area of Italy for your cheese to be made and then you are in the clear.

@bigbadbovine 3 жыл бұрын

I'd talk to a lawyer before complying. You aren't doing any trade for the trademark to apply.

@ajshell2 3 жыл бұрын

If you need a silver lining for this, know that this controversy is the only reason I ever found out about you. I subscribed for this. I can't wait to see your other cheese videos.

@lightbox617 3 жыл бұрын

I once got a "cease and desist" order from the management company of a large (560 unit) build where I was renting. I had been distributing information about tenant's rights. I had distributed educational and informative materials to each of the 560 units and dropped off copies to the office of the manager. In return, I wrote my own letter showing them NJ citations of case law and statutes supporting my right to distribute information to tenants I was hoping that the management company would pursue the issue as they were so obviously in the wrong. The thing is, they hoped and expected that they could intimidate anyone.

@cambo1200 3 жыл бұрын

I say it’s better to ask forgiveness than Parmesan.

@Drewcifer1972 3 жыл бұрын

LOL...:)

@BlackQueenNetwork 3 жыл бұрын

you sneaky little bastard LOL

@topsecret1837 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly don’t get this one... could anybody help?

@BlackQueenNetwork 3 жыл бұрын

@@topsecret1837 permission, parmesan

@Alexden96Channel 3 жыл бұрын

This... this is the best pun I have ever heard. Well done!

@Psi105 3 жыл бұрын

It's extremely common for law firms to send CnD letters knowing they have no case and have no intention to go through with any legal action. Scaring normal people into doing things using official legal documents is a common legal tactic. If it was me, I would either * Leave video up but change title to 'NOT MAKING GRANA PADANO'. Then send a reply back saying they obviously didn't actually watch the video because it was explicitly stated in the first 30 seconds of the video that the cheese made was NOT GRANA PADANO. **OR** * Take the current version down then edit a new version where any written or verbal references are dubbed over to be "NOT GRANA PADANO BY ORDER OF THE CHEESE PROTECTION CONSORTIUM" (Or "by order of the cheese police", might be funnier) Then add a short intro to the new vid drawing negative attention to the consortium for what they did . And be sure to keep the real name in the youtube keyword search list so it comes up in searches.

@saphiral8203 3 жыл бұрын

That would be funny!

@dexterne 3 жыл бұрын

This! And do an extra crappy job over dubbing it.

@Psi105 3 жыл бұрын

@@dexterne yeah

@blademansw 3 жыл бұрын

And then refer them to the UK Court case of Arkell vs Pressdram

@krawford 3 жыл бұрын

Please do this.

@st8pl8guy 3 жыл бұрын

So make a "Grana Padano" style cheese, but name it "Grando Piano" ;-)

@Ohgivemeabreak 3 жыл бұрын

You think cheese lawyers are bad. You don’t want the piano lawyers after you

@erinobrien8408 2 жыл бұрын

👏🥳😂😆🤣😂

@BatesonBen 3 жыл бұрын

You can only imagine that you got the Cease and Desist because absolutely nail their recipe, so well done, and thanks!!

@redbeard36 3 жыл бұрын

They’re wrong and this wouldn’t stand up in court. They’re trolling you. This firm sounds similiar to patent trolls

@StCreed 3 жыл бұрын

All types of IP lawyer are similar rodents.

@youngbucksbbq7819 3 жыл бұрын

Yes you are 100% correct

@GMSA59 3 жыл бұрын

There's a point, contact the company directly and ask if they have a problem before you do anything., from a marketing perspective, I would think they would be happy you are advertising their product for them, I use myself as an example, never tried it, will by it.

@savnetsinn_original 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, this probably would stand in court and you can easily research cases in which even the "evocation" or unintentional suggestion that some product is a PDO product constitutes a prohibited action. The PDO system is taken seriously in Europe and while the vast majority of publicity around it tends to involve wines, producers who've obtained a protected designation will fight to keep it enforced. That said, I agree that whether or not it's a legally-valid case is completely past the real issue, which is just this consortium flexing its muscles at Gav for doing nothing but fostering a love for these products. I don't have the space to make cheese in my flat so I don't, but I know whenever I watch one of Gav's videos I pop down to the shops to find the closest commercial representative I can. It might be a while before I give the Consorzio di Grana Padano any more of my money, after this stunt.

@johnlshilling1446 2 жыл бұрын

And bill collectors.

@YllwNinja82 3 жыл бұрын

"Nice cheese channel you have there....be a shame if something 'happened' to it!" - Italian Cheese Mafia

@GavinWebber 3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@selfbiased1860 3 жыл бұрын

"How many wheels of this 'Grando Padoono?' you got around here?" "three hundred forty seven." *sucks teeth* "Be a shame if someone set fire to them." -Luigi Vercotti, probably.

@bradybrapples 3 жыл бұрын

funny thing is the mob is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay into the italian food export market spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/mafia-reason-why-olive-oil-quality-is-bad www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-agromafia-food-fraud/

@maymay5600 3 жыл бұрын

the actual italians got so mad they decided to take action, lol, i still couldn't find some angry italian comments

@wirelesmike73 3 жыл бұрын

@avery swangoo Video proof, or it never happened. O_o No cred for fake, pumpkin-spiced fascism. lol

@EdensSecret1 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought, you must have really nailed it to get that cease and desist.

@danielgogola 3 жыл бұрын

You're a humble man Gavin. I respect your patience

@lithium 3 жыл бұрын

I hope nobody pulls down the video between now and sunday and rehosts it 1000s of times in a stunning demonstration of the streisand effect. That would be terrible.

@joemoma516 3 жыл бұрын

I hope you spoke to a lawyer first. There's a possibility of a counter suit if the threat is unfounded.

@raoufy888 3 жыл бұрын

true

@a12475 3 жыл бұрын

There are in fucking Italy and he’s in Austriala

@Johnthecollie 3 жыл бұрын

Lol a C & D is not worth getting bent out of shape over. They don't go to a judge first nor does it have legal standing. An intern typed that out because his boss was too lazy.

@348frank348 3 жыл бұрын

Take it all the way to the Supreme Court

@playea123 3 жыл бұрын

@@Johnthecollie so should he just not comply with it? I would I agree if that is what his lawyer tells him to do as well.

@angelaschouten1747 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your passion and recipes from all style cheeses which are produced around the world. Keep up the spirit!

@Shadowseer7930 3 жыл бұрын

Never seen a video of yours before until I saw this in my recommended but now I can't wait to start watching how to make cheese thanks internet

@mohammedbabaki1534 3 жыл бұрын

I hope you repost it with “1 year hard Italian style” dubbed over. I had a vegan gelato company send me a cease and desist for my vegan cheese company’s name... it’s always 100% fear driven. Keep doing what you do, love the videos man!

@tommihommi1 3 жыл бұрын

Considering that grana padano that you can actually buy in stores mostly is just a worse, less flavorful parmigiano reggiano, I would suggest dubbing over "parmesan like cheese" Apparently the consortium sent a Cease and Desist to a Soap Opera where a character claimed Grana Padano was poor man's parmesan lol

@Imthefake 3 жыл бұрын

@@tommihommi1 as someone who lives in padania i had my pitchfork out, you saved yourself with the you can actually buy in stores

@tommihommi1 3 жыл бұрын

@@Imthefake it's just that the restrictions on what you can call Parmigiano Reggiano are a lot more strict, so the worst Parm is a lot better than the worst Grana Padano.

@HextorBane 3 жыл бұрын

You should receive a CaD letter just because you produce vegan shit :D

@RobsAquaponics 3 жыл бұрын

I'd take it as a -complaint- *_Compliment_* Gavin. 😉😁 Cheers mate.

@MrBarlien 3 жыл бұрын

compliment?

@RobsAquaponics 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBarlien That he was very close to their recipe. 😉👍

@JosiahMcCarthy 3 жыл бұрын

@@RobsAquaponics they were pointing out your typo.

@RobsAquaponics 3 жыл бұрын

@@JosiahMcCarthy 🤣🤣 just shows how dodgy my eyes are getting. Will fix it when I get back on the computer. Cheers

@RobsAquaponics 3 жыл бұрын

Sorted. 👍

@cathwarman5502 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for giving us these recipes. No, I don’t think you overstepped the mark in making or giving us this cheese recipe. I also agree with you, you must have got very close to making their cheese. You do a great job, don’t stop making cheese and putting it on KZfaq.

@Mabus16 3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, the angry Italians are back and they brought lawyers!

@falconeio 3 жыл бұрын

You should re-upload it, but just put a beep whenever you say the name. Then they can't say anything.

@cellochick13 3 жыл бұрын

And then just link to this if anyone is questioning the beeps

@theodorerooding3536 3 жыл бұрын

"This is how to not make this type of cheese. Whatever you want to call this creation, it is without a doubt, absolutely not *consortium cheese."

@droolio 3 жыл бұрын

Better yet, re-upload this exact video but dub over the name with a made-up alternative. Mmmm, "hakuna matata" cheese...

@Yuli95Sagitta 3 жыл бұрын

The beep will be the new name of the cheese (vaffanculo, Giorgio Lombardi) and since it is so obscene it needed to be censored.

@thegourmetgolfer5544 3 жыл бұрын

He did but dubbed over "Chease and Desist" 😂😂

@markrandall8216 3 жыл бұрын

They tried your recipe and it was better…😂

@tamarastacey9399 3 жыл бұрын

You are a valuable teacher, you help to teach people to be self-reliant. It's just a big company trying to keep the people dependent on them & you have done nothing wrong

@AGM-ts5bb 3 жыл бұрын

Here in Canada, we just say "whatever"-style cheese. They are full of nonsense; you never insinuated it was either designation. Legal issues? Start a go fund me, and we will boycott.

@austink6447 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you; they are probably butt hurt that you just figured out their recipe and are threatening their cheese monopoly! I know who I won’t be buying cheese from now!

@noneofbizorjuliejt6466 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing! I will never buy from Grand Pernono lol. Came across as bullies to me. Exspecialky when he said repeatedly that is was like GP but it was not GP.

@SirWussiePants 3 жыл бұрын

No, they are required to protect their property or the rights are lost. it is a legal thing. Just as Champagne can only come from Champagne in France and thus we are required to call other wines "sparkling wine". If companies do not fight to protect their rights those rights become undefendable. In Wine there are substitute names for those styles. Dunno if the same is true in cheese, but if not it should be. If you called your soda "Pepsi" or "Pepsi style" they would fight you too.

@IdahoLivin 3 жыл бұрын

@@SirWussiePants I want to poke so many holes in your statement, but it's not worth arguing with a random person on the Internet over something so trivial. Yet, I feel so compelled to say something at the very least. So this is it.

@ethandavis7310 3 жыл бұрын

@@SirWussiePants It is fair that given they want to keep their property rights, then it makes sense that they are acting in the way that they did. However, if you're willingly working to protect Italy's dumbass rights to keep the name of a "Cheese Style," that is so obviously (given Gavin's spot on recipe) easily replicable from anywhere in the world, by using your power to undermine the livelyhood of a small home cheesemaker who clearly told his audience that his product was not genuine, then you are a bully and an asshole. Getting bogged down in the technicality of intellectual property cheese law I think is missing the bigger picture.

@Fordmister 3 жыл бұрын

@@ethandavis7310 it's not Italy. It's an EU pdo. It's part of EU food law and regulations. If you use the legal name listed on the pdo it's bigger than IP. It's a breach of EU food law. It's why across Europe you will se things sold such as "Italian style hard cheese" and "sparkling wine". Pdo's along with Pgo's exist to protect specialist traditional products and the EU takes them very seriously. To the point where if you are the local authority or consortium that is responsible for a pdo you are compelled under EU law to protect it.

@amyp8162 3 жыл бұрын

Next time you make that cheese, call it Banno Bodanno cheese. And tell them to suck a fat curd

@cheree6611 3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha!

@alejandrochavezbarrera7448 3 жыл бұрын

This is the way, make your cheese and rename it, send me a link when you do it! Please

@ckm-mkc 3 жыл бұрын

Or just call it the Giorgio Lombardi Pendendantico

@kosmati4569 3 жыл бұрын

Grana Padano has always been my favourite all-rounders, and I'm well into DIY anyway, just never thought to put the 2+2 together. Thank you, and the law firm for the inspiration!

@raadizon3442 3 жыл бұрын

A facebook article brought me here. Subscribed.

@Killercreek 3 жыл бұрын

Contact the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Nothing you did violates any law, and made no claim to do so. If you need advice, I can offer some, but I am not versed in Australian law.

@last808 3 жыл бұрын

Techdirt would probably cover this story too.

@georgeprout42 3 жыл бұрын

They've obviously never heard of the Streisand effect. It quickly went from being a video I hadn't watched to one I have saved locally as an MP4 🤷🏻‍♀️

@abebeaku8369 3 жыл бұрын

me too

@ShadowVipers 3 жыл бұрын

Any chance I could get a copy?

@PoeLemic 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowVipers Same here. Could I get a copy? I'd like to learn how to make some cheeses like this.

@Meg-n-Cheese12 3 жыл бұрын

I had no idea the DRAMA that is cheese making! I love you Gavin Webber and keep doing you!

@robertfiorini2061 3 жыл бұрын

Gavin perhaps you should ask for a letter on their Letterhead sent to you at your local post office "registered" as you wish to take legal advice and require formal notification (given how many scammers reside on the web). Love the channel keep up the great work.

@bartomand3681 3 жыл бұрын

You know you've made it when...

@oz_jones 3 жыл бұрын

Big Parma at it again!

@johnnymarzouka 3 жыл бұрын

Hello im from the zone where grana padano can be produced I'm taking your side on this just to let you know some padani are good people too ❤️

@barkingbunny4689 Жыл бұрын

You and your whole community have turned me into a new fangirl! Lovin' it!💖

@notaulgoodman9732 2 жыл бұрын

“And this is a strange one” already burst out laughing. This is genuinely hilarious.

@Psi105 3 жыл бұрын

It's pretty likely someone who makes GRANA PADANO saw your video and reported it to the consortium who then forward it to their lawyers. And the lawyers said... "We can't get that video taken down. He stated outright that it's not grana padano cheese in the first 30 seconds however we can try scare him into taking it down himself with a CnD letter" Apple's lawyers did a very similar thing to Louis Rossmann on youtube for showing macbook electrical repair schematics and how to replace a fuse. Louis replied saying "No, if you want the video taken down then file a DCMA takedown notice so it's public and on record" He never heard back from Apple.

@DNSL_ 3 жыл бұрын

this is like the streisand effect of cheeses, by saying you need to stop they basically said it's close enough to be the real thing. Now I'm going to learn how to make cheese just so I can say I made grana padano cheese, I DONT EVEN LIKE CHEESE

@d4lep0ro 3 жыл бұрын

hey bro, I miss your videos. Hope you are doing well :)

@sethj9148 3 жыл бұрын

Wow this is the last place would expect to see you comment

@panwall1327 3 жыл бұрын

Hello?

@napalmunderwear9902 3 жыл бұрын

The Protected Daniel of Origin.

@binarypower 3 жыл бұрын

i'm going to learn how to make cheese in the next dayz video

@aherrns1894 2 жыл бұрын

It can be produced only in the region of Padania. If not it's just sparkling milk curd.

@thierrytu 3 жыл бұрын

I can't believe they did this to you Gavin! No you didn't infringe, you got too close :)

@LDF1218 3 жыл бұрын

You should speak with a lawyer about this.

@donaldtrump5392 3 жыл бұрын

By their own definition, your cheese is NOT their cheese.

@vincewylde8523 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, their "cease and desist" letter did little more than make them look like ignorant asses. 🤷‍♂️

@loganq5152 3 жыл бұрын

Who here would never have known about Grana Padano if it weren't for this channel? They should be supporting Gavin for getting people excited about cheese

@jay71512 3 жыл бұрын

Cant wait to see you making that "grand piano" cheese 🤣🤣

@bucketofgondor 3 жыл бұрын

The power this man has will shake the cheese industry

@jamiesmith9176 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect chance to come up with some aussie regional names. Love your work Gav.

@basweny1 3 жыл бұрын

Gavin you are the better man, no you did not over step your bounds. I think a new video is in order with a code title. Always you are the best!

@ravoris 3 жыл бұрын

Before you take the video down, consult with a lawyer. In America cease and desist orders are a request. They can't compel you do to anything until they are ordered to by the courts. Your lawyer will be able to tell you if that holds for where you are, and if they actually have a case or if she can make them go away with a suitably resolute letter back.

@myroomisblue2679 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah consult with a lawyer

@Killercreek 3 жыл бұрын

There is nothing a lawyer fears more than another lawyer

@myroomisblue2679 3 жыл бұрын

@@Killercreek kinda like military submarines and queens in chess

@Drew-Dastardly 3 жыл бұрын

Murkins and Lawyers and endless money that comes from nowhere. There is no need for a lawyer - this is an open and shut case - Gavin is not party to a trade contract with the EU protection rackets. End of.

@merindymorgenson3184 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think the US recognizes these rules, and so US makers can’t be held liable for these, but perhaps Australia complies with the EU rules? I think he should definitely check with his lawyers first. It is not an intellectual property trespass, unless he calls the cheese a grano padano. Cheese making has been around for thousands of years. The grano padano is probably based on an earlier cheese, and so how can they claim its theirs? Anyway, they have no right to say trespass because he doesn’t have their original recipe that he’s broadcasting. He’s not trying to claim it’s a grano padano, and obviously he’s making it in Australia, so he’s not trying to claim its coming from the region, so not trying to counterfeit it. I really think these types of overreach should be fought back against.

@charljoubert6993 3 жыл бұрын

I just sent both the legal company and the cheese consortium an email to call them out on their ridiculousness.

@ethanlee8307 3 жыл бұрын

Oh! Curd Nerd guy! You're back in my recommended!

@Kapsgirls 3 жыл бұрын

Gav, please don't be discouraged....having lived in Italy for many years, I am not surprised that you got the letter....it just proved that you nailed the recipe and they threatened....Stay calm and continue to make great cheese....best wishes, Kasper

@hayeschrissy 3 жыл бұрын

Just watched the grana Padano video, taken notes and now going to make this next weekend ! Thanks Gav

@teds5047 3 жыл бұрын

Don't take it down. They don't have a leg to stand on. If you bend the knee now, every company will send you a letter to take down videos that depict how to make a (insert name here) style cheese. I gave you a "like" for now because I enjoy watching videos on how you make cheeses but please don't change who you are and what you are doing.

@Threeofus13 3 жыл бұрын

I had been tempted to try making this, but now it is guaranteed! I will never buy their cheese again. Thank you for all the knowledge you share!

@altheamarlyssutton3489 3 жыл бұрын

I think you've done a really good job and you've been very kind to them especially with your intro I think you did a very good job and I think it's ridiculous what they're doing but thank you for being so kind to them

@awesomepandamonkey 3 жыл бұрын

The video was uploaded an entire year ago, it seems like Mr. Lombardi was bored and just needed to fill an afternoon or something. Regardless, it's nice to know that I'm subscribed to KZfaq's highest-profile cheese counterfeiter.

@PUREHAXX13 3 жыл бұрын

The fact that you stated 'style of' means your intention was never to infringe on their protected brand. They don't really have a leg to stand on here, came because the controversy but subscribing because i love cheese and if big cheese companies feel threatened by you you're obviously doing something right!

@sonna4298 Жыл бұрын

Yea it’s crazy they really see him as competition but that’s great for him cause that’s really recognition gonna be making his recipes for cheese for now on since they feel it’s worthy of C and D letter !

@bulldaagg 3 жыл бұрын

LOL love it, get your cam and take them up on the tour

@godbluffvdgg 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an inhouse Barrister, with little or nothing to do, trying to shake you up! Bless their little Black hearts!

@aga5897 3 жыл бұрын

If you take it down, we the Fans will have to serve you with a "Curds and Relist" order for that video. Gotcha ! Caught between a Rock and a Hard cheese ! ;)

@snosibsnob3930 3 жыл бұрын

You didn't even claim to make the original cheese, just a cheese in their style! Imagine if the writers of the Simpsons sued people over making yellow people!

@kellyjoevans223 3 жыл бұрын

They might now they are owned by disney. 😂

@joelsmega123 3 жыл бұрын

Simpsons sue all of asia

@angrygardengnome8383 3 жыл бұрын

@@joelsmega123 lmao

@timtherrien7843 3 жыл бұрын

Or for making their own truly crappy animations.

@josephcampese5347 3 жыл бұрын

or any of the millions of people that say, Doh!

@gray5627 3 жыл бұрын

I had to dash over to watch the Grana Padano video! I will never make it, but it was fun to watch! Thanks for sharing. :-)

@Penfoldblue1 3 жыл бұрын

Just subscribed to this channel because of this ,Keep doing what you do buddy. I shall now try and make my own Grana Padano STYLE cheese!

@joe_ita 3 жыл бұрын

as an italian, i'm so so sorry this happened... your content is fire

@Ale.K7 3 жыл бұрын

Me, from a dark alley, after watching Gavin teach us how to make "COUNTERFEIT REPLICAS": -"Psst! Can I interest you in some fine PDO cheese?"

@W45Jasper 3 жыл бұрын

Impressive that they're following you. They're taking down notes because you're the professional.

@generees7752 3 жыл бұрын

The gig is up now I gotta close down my counterfeit cheese factory

@grantseltzerrichman2051 3 жыл бұрын

These kind of things are completely unenforceable, do not give in!

@CrazyCodMusic 3 жыл бұрын

This. They have absolutely no leg to stand on. Recipes cannot be trademarked/copyrighted (even patented is a sketch). This is just bluster.

@SirWussiePants 3 жыл бұрын

@@CrazyCodMusic Names and Trademarks are entirely enforceable. You are nobs.

@Heypistola 3 жыл бұрын

@@SirWussiePants except he's not selling the cheese while calling it Grana Padano.

@CrazyCodMusic 3 жыл бұрын

@@SirWussiePants 1. Trademarks identify PRODUCTS or SERVICES, you berk. Does it look like my man's selling his cheese? 2. There's a pretty good precedent for "x-style" cheeses that DON'T qualify to be called "X", EVEN WITHIN THE EU. Shut up.

@SirWussiePants 3 жыл бұрын

@@Heypistola It doesnt matter if he is selling it or not. He is using the name. If you allow that your brand becomes like "Kleenex" or "Escalator" - terms used that are no longer attached to the original brand owner. All companies do this. See the Axanar fight with Paramount on Star Trek intellectual property. If you allow 200 Joe Blows to use the name you have no defense when company "V" decides to market under that name. It becomes a legal thing.

@theholytoast 3 жыл бұрын

They would only win in court is if you sold the cheese you made to someone. I'd take them to court.

@Killercreek 3 жыл бұрын

That would be expensive, but you are right that they have no grounds to take action

@Edminster 3 жыл бұрын

this is a dilution of trademark complaint, not a violation of copyright complaint; because grana padano is a legally-protected name they are equally legally-required to make clear that there is no such thing as home-made grana padano (up to and including lawsuits against people who claim otherwise); if you remember the parmesan cheese episode gavin made clear that it was NOT parmigiano-reggiano because (like grana padano) parmigiano-reggiano is a legally-protected name and cannot be made at home

@Edminster 3 жыл бұрын

all that said they cant do shit if he re-records the video calling it 'gradano' cheese the entire time :V

@mrimmortal1579 3 жыл бұрын

Change the title of the video. Call it “Grand Ol’ Pedantic” Cheese...

@flyingprogrammer 3 жыл бұрын

@@Edminster Having a trademark doesn't allow you to control what other people say about your product. I can use your trademarked name to discuss how your product is identical to something anyone can make at home, and then make that product myself on camera, and that's not diluting your trademark. Or, assuming your patent has expired, I can sell an identical product with packaging that invites buyers to “compare” my product to yours by name, and that's not dilution.

@trwsandford 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahaaa! I'm in! I'll do my own video! I will even state that what I'm doing is helping people counterfeit the copycat parmesan. Gavin, just tell them to pound sand!

@food7753 3 жыл бұрын

When you re-create the cheese so well, they send the lawyers...

@lefroy1 3 жыл бұрын

Grana Padano STYLE Cheese. That 'style' bit means everything. Perhaps Mr Lombardy might get himself a dictionary. What if you changed the name to Prana Gradano Cheese (no 'style' ;)/

@jadebell550 3 жыл бұрын

Or he can stop trolling KZfaq from a year ago videos and stick to the authentic 😉 cheese making .. He must of been really bored ..

@antonc81 3 жыл бұрын

Also he’s not selling the cheese so there’s no product to be passed off as grana padano. There’s no infringement at all.

@F_I_J_I_W_A_T_E_R 3 жыл бұрын

"Counterfeit Replicas" ?????

@bryanandrews3986 3 жыл бұрын

When cheese is outlawed, only outlaws will have cheese!

@TheSpekkel1 3 жыл бұрын

@@bryanandrews3986 Saw what you did there :D

@nicg1345 3 жыл бұрын

dang, the Padano posse is flexing their curds hard with this C&D letter. You're doing something right @gavin Webber!!

@seloyneyrinck-duncan3316 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't checked if the video for Grano Padano is down but if I'd seen this earlier, I'd have said don't take it down and I'll go watch it on a loop 😂😂

@DFMurray 3 жыл бұрын

You know you have finally hit legendary status when you get a Cease and Desist. Congrats you mad cheese making lad!

@baobao646 3 жыл бұрын

It is your version of the cheese no copyright infringement here. They need to get over themselves.

@Trazynn 3 жыл бұрын

You can't copyright cheese. The only thing he isn't allowed is to sell it using their trademark, which he isn' t doing.

@karlo29 3 жыл бұрын

CHEESE AND DESIST ?? Love you sir, thank you for all your advice and fantastic videos !

@SPACETVnet 3 жыл бұрын

I came here as I was searching for videos about this cheese that I hadn't heard of before and was wondering if I try it. Now I think I'll try a different cheese.

@doriesuewalker8615 3 жыл бұрын

I have never made cheese.... But their ridiculousness makes me want to make this cheese right now 🤣

@Kangamoos 3 жыл бұрын

I'm super impressed with your attitude, and clearly your nailing of the process of making this cheese. Thanks for being so awesome!

@karm42yn 3 жыл бұрын

That's standard intimidation practice. I see why you'd want to concede. It's often not worth the legal battle especially over one video but I don't think they have a case here. A judge would likely throw it out immediately. I still hope you won't give in.