Affordable sports car?? Hell there isn't even affordable economy cars let alone sports car.

There were affordable sports cars but America decides they're spending all their money on effin trash crossover suvs

@@quyle9483 Don't forget Cash for Clunkers aka the affordable vehicle holocaust THANKS OBAMA

@TastiLead of course cancel culture would erase an ex presidents bad incentive...

@@quyle9483 Cancel culture? If you're referring to anything I said I'm definitely not down with that shit

​@Brian_Eugene_Leeit won't. Mitsu clearly could careless when they make more money elsewhere other than their cars.

@ItsAlive111, no, gr corolla, celica and mr2. Current supra and 86 will be retired before 2026.

@@eugenux Yep the Zupra and BRZ clone are on their way out. In truth I think they are just going to make one RWD sports car chassis and just pull a Nissan FM chassis strategy and just reinforce / stretch and shrink it as required for the next few decades. It worked just fine for the Z/G series of sports cars up till now, and this way they won't get pegged for just being a factory sticker swapping tuning company.

@@eugenuxyup with all the recent rumors of the “next Gen” 86 becoming a bigger hybrid car too. That sounds more like a Celica.

Toyota got no more money after developing GR yaris and GR corolla. Doubt they gonna make another one fron the ground up. Toyoda himself was ousted because he kept relying on ICE and hybrids, whereas chinese and korean brands are beating them with EV. It's gonna be a co developed now

As a previous owner if an SW20, the render looks hideous 😂. To each their own.

@@richard-mai how many concept/renders have come out where they look like the production car? 🤔

As a current owner of an aw11 its…meh……could be better

I find the concept to be rather outdated, too much lines, looks like something from 2015, right now car designs are becoming more rounded and simplistic just like designs from early 2000s

@@supraeffective Lexus lc500 concept

Inflation sucks doesn’t it…. I genuinely think Toyota is using their reputation for reliability to increase prices.

Mazda is able to sell their MX-5 for under $30k, and the MR2 has always been a competitor to the MX-5. Seems like Toyota is being a bit greedy with their pricing because they know people will buy it still, which is a shame. If it started at $40k, I might be interested but at twice the cost of the Miata, I'm sticking with the Mazda.

@@faheemabbas3965they always have done this. Every car is overpriced in comparison to to their competitors. Why? Reliability.

Zero chance it will MSRP at $65k. It wouldn't sell at that price, except to rabid MR2 fans. They'll start it at $50-55k, dealers will jack it to 70+ until all the rabid MR2 fans are satiated, and after a small run it will go away. Cayman owners will be watching all this in disbelief.

​​​@@faheemabbas3965pretty sure it mainly has to do with the crappy regulation BS with all this sensors, safety stuff and digital things that they are forced to throw onto a car because people can't seem to not rely on them to be a good and safe driver. Also you have to keep in mind that dealerships are the true douchebags of the car industry as they're the ones that screw you over with pricing. You also have to blame consumers for willing to pay more than they could afford and willing to pay for the markups.

Well it would be mid-engined. Perhaps they are dropping the Supra since that is a joint venture with BMW manufactured by a 3rd party (Magna). So maybe the MR2 becomes the new premium sports car, and the Celica the new mainstream sports car (perhaps replacing the twins).

I think it's just gonna be the case of different cars for different people. Even though they're both sportscars, the dynamics will be different between the two (one is more traditional FR layout while the other one is using an MR layout)

You can say & dream all you want, but i guarantee you that the new MR2, won't cost any less than 70k, it's just how the new car prices works, it's insane

​@xXVibrantSnowXx Then it's gonna flop HARD as fuck. I'm not even a big Supra guy, but I'm still picking it every day of the week over this thing if they're roughly the same price. Period.

By the time the MR2 comes out the current Supra would have already been discontinued and on its way to becoming hybridized or electrified and most likely getting more expensive.. 80K range? If correct this MR2 will be non hybrid or electric. If Toyota uses its own 3cyl turbo from the GR Yaris/Corolla it could considerably cut the cost down. But like I said in my own post.. Toyota will have to partner up with a car company like Lotus to help them develop a mid engine chassis. Toyota gets a new MR2 and Lotus gets a new ELISE.

Helllll yassss, I got a turbo '92 mr2 currently. So happy they might bring it back. Def gotta get it.

Ive had an MRS before. Really an underrated platform.

The Mr. 2 should come with Toyota's 2.4T and be sized and priced similar to the Supra. I think it should actually replace the Supra at the end of the Supra's product cycle. It would be awesome. I'm a little worried they are going to go for to small and affordable.

@@sp33dybiscuit If it ever comes out, it will never live up to the hype… The sw20 MR2 will always be the best one!

Hey! Still kind of new to car culture here, I'm curious what is the excitement behind a mid-engine and what does it mean for the car?

I support this sentiment . that said, I’ll still take co-development over “no development”

@@pushslice I think the co-development with Subaru was good but they didn't need to work with BMW and Toyota has proven that they can still do great on their own especially with the Corolla GR. That 3 cylinder turbo is badass. 😇

Lexus really neeed bring back real f for lexus

All Toyota ,for cars that don't sell in high volumes cost a lot of money

Just my opinion: The Scion TC should’ve lived on as The Celica or even The FR-S/GT/GR86 and the Corolla GR should’ve been the GT or GR86

Same. Only car I've regretted selling is my '93 MR2 Turbo. Best bang for the buck car I've owned, and I've owned a stupid number of different cars for a normie

@@dcvroom yup, that was a special car. Death trap, but awesome.

@@jeffk464 I tracked that car, and it was making 300+ at the wheels. The snap oversteer that everyone feared wasn't nearly as bad as made out to be, especially with the right suspension mods. Maybe a real issue on the earlier cars, as I never drove one.

40 - 45k for even a turbo 3 base would be nice (with Yamaha head, intake and exhaust), then have a AWD performance hybrid for about 10k more, and of course have a 6spd stick shift for all the trims! The markups will be nuts though, and will kill the sales numbers like most sports cars these days. I don't think Toyota has a Lexus chassis they can use for a Celica or MR2 profitably (reason they didn't use a Lexus chassis for the Zupra and just slapped some stickers, body kit and some stiff shocks on a BMW, LC500 is the real MK.V Supra, just didn't make financial sense to brand it as such), I think they will be heavily modified corolla chassis if they do them. Though there was talk about them using a Daihatsu chassis for the next MR2, time will tell.

Let it go. No one is spending 65k on a pocket rocket now they sell crossover. It's EV time.

@@lucky889s9 I take it you are American. No one else is so crazy about crossovers, SUVs and trucks.

​@@gomezgomezian3236it's everywhere my guy, especially in developing countries where the roads are full of holes and bumps outside big cities. Not every country has smooth roads like nurburgring

Heard from an old rumor that they working with mazada to co develop the mr2, celica and a rx-9

That's the word!

why did gordon murray autos say their gma t43 mid rear engine inline 3 hybrid competing with porsche carrera, for around 40k us dollar, will not become real because no manufaterer wants to work with them because nobody cares about combustion anymore? i think they should isntead work on a compact 4 seater hypermiling momentum preservation car. the no-more-than-nessesary single car garage , with options liek bodykit for aesthetics and higher price versions. @@KirkKreifels

@@kalmmonke5037 That's strange, I figure Cosworth would be all over that. Though he may be referring to a mass market vehicle, which will be beyond Cosworth's ability to provide engines and parts for, which at 40k for a mid engine GMA car, everyone will want one.

ya he wanted soem otehr manufaterer to make the car because they have been hand making their cars, they wanted to use their "i stream" mass production design platform they provided for some other manufacturers, claiming a considerable weight reduction average @@anydaynow01

I think they ditched the project because cars are going electric, but i speculate that they may consider making an affordable lightweight ev sports car like the original tesla roadster

⁠@@users4007 Gordon said they ditched the project because management in Yamaha changed, he also said the project could still happen if GMA works with another manufacturer like Yamaha (because GMA is too small to manufacture 5000+ a year). But he added that he wants to keep GMA “exclusive”. So maybe GMA can partner with Yamaha and Toyota and release it under the Toyota brand. The car was basically a “Lotus Elise but lighter” with modern features like AC, airbags and etc.

This was going to be called the T.43 iirc

Which is funny, because Toyota owns a really small stake in them.

That would be splendid! I would love to have a hybrid setup for my 2ZZ Toyota Matrix!

@@PlayinWithMahWii i have a toyota matrix too. Sadly only the 1zz for commuting 35 miles to work. My fun car is my 2011 legacy 3.6r. But i have been saying it for awhile why is nobody making either a low displacement diesel hybrid or a high reving low displacement hybrid. Why turbo a car when you can build a stronger engine that will last longer due to thicker parts and less heat. I dont get it. It could be done, they just dont want to do it.

The dream would be Toyota suspension and performance hybrid system in the front, with a turbo Suzuki or Yamaha liter bike engine (I think Toyota owns some of Suzuki or something, I could be wrong, I'm probably wrong!) in the back of a strengthened Daihatsu K-car chassis! Of course they will have to choke the bike engine to pass emissions out the factory but I'm sure they can supply a GR "off road only" upgrade like Nissan did with the NISMO exhaust for the new Z. Price it under 50K and I'm in.

@@anydaynow01A bike engine? The only cars you can really run on those are Smart Cars.

Yes, basically the GR86 is what a Celica should be. I'd get one if I lived at sea level, but at 4500 feet of elevation I think it would feel slow.

​@@jeffk464I wouldn't mind if they introduced Celica as a more affordable FWD version of the GR86

True!!

Yeah. new cars in general don't target younger buyers.

@@KirkKreifels mores the pity. Good sad point.

And get rid of markups. It’s literally the reason I don’t own a Toyota now and won’t with how frequent they are becoming. Not worth it imo. It’s destroying brand loyalty, pushing people to other brands.

The manual Corolla XSE hatchback wasn't a bad choice for a kid who worked hard on a summer job to get something sporty. No one's expecting chart topping halo cars to be affordable to 18 year olds, and unfortunately that's kind of what the GR Corolla is, given the hype, the market at release, and the lack of competition with the STI not returning (even with the regular WRX I count 2 real competitors, 5 if we allow FWD only)

@@markcoopers1930 No manual in 2023.

MR-2 will be 1.6 turbo. Celica is likely electrified as hybrid or bev.

how about electric assited variable vane turbo for perfect air to fuel ratio more of the time? then apply to other cars using inlien 4 or 2 liter inline 4

First gen Honda Insight offered a manual. I really hope Toyota puts a manual in their cars when they end up being hybrids. It’s not impossible. Isn’t Toyota developing a manual hybrid iirc?

Id prefer as minimal mechanical complications as possible, not only would it increase cost, it would increase the complexity. inherently reducing the reliability of the MR2 platform.

I hear what you're saying, and I understand the sentiment, but the technology is already proven, and we're talking about Toyota parts here. Moreover, within the spirit of your argument is saying: you wouldn't want a more powerful power train, because it would add more cost and complexity -- because more power would entail a variable drivetrain, turbos or high compression interference cylinders, combination direct and port injection... I'm not saying you're saying that, I'm saying that's along the same lines of logic. I think, we both want the same things from a new platform: Performance, entertainment and reasonable cost. If it's going to be a mid engine platform, it's going to emphasize performance over entertainment -- at least more so than the current GR86 -- otherwise just get an 86, it's got plenty of entertainment. Whatever the case, I hope their NVH team doesn't get overzealous and over isolate the things that matter: steering, pedal, shifter and seat feel

@@10K2HVN I can definitely see where your coming from and I do appreciate your reasoning. I'm by far not against these features being added just a concern for driven up cost (coming from a younger car owner that's all.) I too hope that it comes to fruition, now is a very good time to produce a mid engine N/A sports car, especially with the C8 corvette doing so well, and due to how the powers at be want everyone to transition over from ICE to EV.

I enjoyed my 88 All-Trac Turbo.

@@0756rocketman loved the All-Trac Turbo my science teacher had one 😊 red of course

I 100 % disagree. My friend owned a Scion TC for a decade and still own my 04 GTS 6 speed. The car design of the TC looks more like a economy sports sedan and handles nothing like a Celica. It has a 2.4 liter Camry engine the TC. Let’s stop with the TC comparisons cause I find it super insulting. The car looks like crap too compared to the Celica