Cenk REACTS To Turkish Shame

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3 жыл бұрын

Shame in some cultures is a vicious cycle. Cenk Uygur and Ben Mankiewicz discuss on The Young Turks. Keep Hope (and TYT) Alive: tyt.com/go
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@zainzoala1083 3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes the hardest person for you to correct is yourself. There's no ( shame ) in being wrong. The ( shame ) is choosing to stay wrong.

@gustavozaragosa 3 жыл бұрын

There is no societal value of shame. It exists to control young people by old crusty matrons and prudish old men. They have no fun or life left in them and don’t want to see anyone having a good time. I’m 62 so I understand this first hand. I’m surrounded by peers like this. It’s terrible.

@ashh1371 3 жыл бұрын

As an Appalachian American we have the exact opposite especially when it comes to hospitality. Let your guard down and cut loose with someone as if they are your close family in order to be a good guest.

@benoitbeauchamp8584 3 жыл бұрын

Cenk, Cenk, CENK! MERHABA! I went on a backpacking trip through Europe a few years ago and I went from Paris, Munich, Istanbul, Athens, Milan, and back to Paris! I FELL IN LOVE WITH TURKEY AND THE PEOPLE! They were so, so, SO wonderful! On my last day atop Camlica, I was SO sad to be leaving Turkiye! I stayed in Eminounou...Kenon and all the other people were SO wonderful! Immigration to the Americas began in 1492 SO the USA is full of immigrants and refugees. If you are NOT Native American then you come from immigrant/refugee stock...I welcome you! Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for the wonderful work you are doing! KEEP DOING IT, PLEASE! If anyone has a problem with you then send them to me and I will remind them that they are not Indigenous to the Americas. ENGLISH IS NOT AN INDIGENOUS LANGUAGE TO THE AMERICAS!

@MaJoRMJR 3 жыл бұрын

America having no shame isn't always a good thing, it results in people delighting in their own ignorance, which ultimately is how we ended up with Trump

@amal-bh4fp 3 жыл бұрын

we must take into account government officials and the cooperations that fund their campaigns with legalized bribes in exchange for cooperate welfare, bail outs, tax cuts, deregulation’s, etc.... all whilst the only service the provide to citizen in pandering when the are up for re-election is the major reason desperate citizens voted for trump !

@michabell1713 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's only gotten worse we got biden now lol

@willbejamming1532 3 жыл бұрын

Trump would be ashamed of missing the point of democracy if only he had any.

@KeyhanHadjari 3 жыл бұрын

The etiquette is similar in many countries. Shame is a strong way of control. Parents in Iran use it a lot as a tool, it comes very naturally.

@ImNotaRussianBot 3 жыл бұрын

I'm Russian. We have a word called стыд, stiid. It translates to shame, but also means entitled and shameful and guilty. I was admonished SO much with this word growing up. Told to act "cultured/культурны" every flipping day.

@Kap00rwith2os 3 жыл бұрын

Japanese culture has something like this too. It's a form of psychological self-flagellation 🤦‍♂️

@rosiecamci6170 3 жыл бұрын

As a Turk I appreciate what Cenk is saying ! Living in the U.K , watching the events unfold in America during Trump's reign the only word to describe his presidency is Shameful!!!!!!!! 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

@gunash44 3 жыл бұрын

Grew up in Canada. But Azerbaijani from North iran. It’s the same thing . “Ayib”

@lkm3s 3 жыл бұрын

I disagree that shame isn't part of American culture. We just shame over different things. It's shameful to be ill. It's shameful to not be able to pay debt. Its shameful not to work. Its shameful not to parent in mainstream ways. Its shameful to take holiday at times deemed acceptable by your boss. Its shameful to get fired, or layed off.

@ivechang6720 3 жыл бұрын

Like it's shameful to wear high heels. Or you must be open to sexual advances if you wear heels during daytime. I kid you not had someone say that once. 😉 Not twice though.

@user-ht9oc7gw1f 3 жыл бұрын

I think that's more guilt than shame. People can try to make you feel guilty or inferior but people don't really shame you for these things due to the individualistic culture.

@ivechang6720 3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ht9oc7gw1f I disagree. There are plenty of books on culture, what elements are needed to define a culture and the tools cultures use to gain compliance. Just because shame is a tool most often associated with religion doesn't make it limited to that area of societal interaction. There are also psychological publishings about the harm of shame based child rearing strategies. Overall, I think like most tools it's useful but can be used dangerously. Thus effecting deep seated harm.

@user-ht9oc7gw1f 3 жыл бұрын

@@ivechang6720 I've never heard of the "shameful" things you listed. It's shameful to wear high heels? Since when? Usually it's praised. You must be open to sexual advances if it's during the daytime? Never heard that one either. Nobody really "shames" you in American culture for the other things listed. Maybe they'll make you feel guilty for being selfish and taking a holiday when you want but at the end of the day it's still your choice. It's ok to be selfish and it's ok to go through difficult times. People like to hear a good story of someone struggling then succeeding.

@Peggyanns 3 жыл бұрын

I grew up Irish American. I can relate to this. Don’t ever, ever embarrass me, was my mother’s and nana’s directive to me all my life. Make sure you deserve to wear a white wedding dress, make sure you act like the upper classes, make sure you marry up, on and on and on. Talk about stress! My dad, first generation born in the USA, had more common sense. He told me to follow my passion, be kind, don’t worry, you’ll be fine. He was wonderful.

@starshiptrooper2354 3 жыл бұрын

Glad my Irish side was the opposite, by Siclian side, only rule was dont piss off the host

@TheAngiepangie424 3 жыл бұрын

@@starshiptrooper2354 which at my grandparents house meant mangia bene!

@gqp4800 3 жыл бұрын

Im a mutt

@georgeq5720 2 жыл бұрын

This dude is nukeing toxic ultra conservatism one piece at a time. Toxic ultra conservatism does not allow its victims to think beyond the limits set by the manipulator. It gives choices to their victims but from behind the scene controls the choices. It’s a mind control. The victims without knowing that they are being manipulated willfully imprison themselves inside their own thoughts by putting their consciousness/freethinking in a “jail cell”. Shaming is the main weapon of the manipulator. What Cenk is doing is breaking the cell in order to free freedom of thought of clueless individuals who have become victims of their manipulators.

@operaticxingenue 3 жыл бұрын

America doesn’t have a shame-based culture but it has guilt-based one. The issue is that when you’re a child of immigrants from a shame-based culture to America, you end up getting cornered by both shame AND guilt. And this is where our collective anxiety comes from lol

@torukojinnn6331 3 жыл бұрын

Spot on!

@Ziggyc54 3 жыл бұрын

Lol. We used to get the same stuff in our Polish community way back when. Don’t talk, don’t laugh, don’t embarrass us...until the vodka came out. Then it all went out the window. That’s when the adults became embarrassing. 🙄🙂

@lhamfull 3 жыл бұрын

In terms of manners, I think we need to find a happy medium. I find that there is a lack of politeness in America which leads to a lack of sensitivity and consideration for others. I say this as a person who immigrated to Canada as a young child and considers myself “Western” and Canadian in identity. I find that the huge emphasis on manners instilled in me led to feeling a bit of an “outsider” in my demeanour and other people’s behaviour leaves me wanting.

@benoitbeauchamp8584 3 жыл бұрын

I am Aboriginal Canadian and I welcome you WHOLEHEARTEDLY! MERHABA! I visited Turkiye and I fell in love with the country and the people! Kenon, Kayhan and all those wonderful people helped to make me the proud, wonderful, nice person that I am! (Yes, wonderful!) LOL! I would love to have kofte right now!

@Gretabpooh 3 жыл бұрын

My Polish grandma's family came over around 1910 and the 2 youngest kids were born here. She told us stories about how if she and her sister laughed too much, their mother would look at them and tsk at them and quote a Polish saying that translated to "Our Lady of Czestochowa is crying in heaven" because of their behavior.

@Margaret75 3 жыл бұрын

Shame is still a big thing in rural communities in America

@terrystevens3998 3 жыл бұрын

Weird that republicans/trump supporters have none

@Margaret75 3 жыл бұрын

@@terrystevens3998 I’m progressive but surrounded by repugs and they seem to have no shame themselves but have no problem shaming everyone around them. Everyone knows your business. We stay to ourselves but they know we are liberal and look down their noses at us.

@adurgh 3 жыл бұрын

The word is actually from Arabic, identical pronunciations too, “ayb”. Believe me I know exactly what this curse is. Eternal shame for the least little thing. Being the human that is you is shameful.

@pocohontas 3 жыл бұрын

Yes we also have "utanç" in turkish. Idk why but ayıp is a worst and stronger meaning word like many other arabic root words.

@nonokayakjack 3 жыл бұрын

My ex is a Turkish immigrant in Canada and the specter of any visiting or being visited was almost worthy of a week long bender over the stress. The best thing we ever did was getting a dog because she was the focus of all the attention whenever somebody came by. Those values are a priceless addition to Canadian society. I'm British heritage and my family came to Canada over a century ago. New Canadians remind us of family values of togetherness.

@kamsolusar8529 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I guess because you had an ex who was Turkish, you're an expert on all things Turkish.

@almitrahopkins1873 3 жыл бұрын

That is part of hospitality. It's meant to prevent the abuse of hospitality by inconsiderate guests or abusive hosts. Native American cultures have that same shame as the immigrant communities. To take advantage of a host or guest is the worst of insult to them.

@janksh9739 3 жыл бұрын

As an immigrant, I am fully armed with this shame. Lol. I laugh because it's so true and it exists today. My father used to say, "When you come and you close the door, we will still be Indian and uphold our culture." That has been my upbringing. Didn't worry about it. It just was.

@zahrakj5746 3 жыл бұрын

As Persians we have this too! You can't relax either when you go to their house or if someone comes to your house. It's ridiculous 😂

@steppenwolf3252 3 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean, Cenk. In Ireland, there's a lot of guilt tripping in general (Catholicism) and etiquette re: visiting others etc. Also, I laugh a lot and others (not in Ireland but in USA) have told me to "calm down" . Even close friends have said, I'm glad you're "high" & laughing but watch out cuz you'll come down just as hard. And they're partially right. However, I'd rather experience the highs I do even if I must pay the price of the lows.

@acerbicatheist2893 3 жыл бұрын

You know it's a bad vibe when you are getting criticised for laughing too much. What the hell is wrong with these people? Can't they just be glad that someone is actually happy, or are they so damned dismal that they can't stand to see it? 🤬😖⚡✨👿👎

@cindygr8ce 3 жыл бұрын

My niece was born in Turkey my bil was in the air force, my bil was born in Läos, I was born in Germany b/c my father was in the army it's kind of funny that our immediate family spans the globe. I think it a good thing because from early age you learn the value of other cultures

@seanbaugh3239 3 жыл бұрын

"Turkish shame" is how my grandma refers to the fart I unleashed after Christmas dinner. It was triggered by the Baklava we had for dessert. 🤔.....😖💨💩.....😳🎅 *"NUFF SAID"™*

@lindasharpe7039 3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@StrudelNoodle 3 жыл бұрын

Lived in Turkey (I’m American) for 2 years. Didn’t experience this, but the food was DELICIOUS!! LOL

@kampretman9442 3 жыл бұрын

And cenk said at the start, i appreciate that culture as it cultivates from young to be a good host/guest. And i love being guests in turkish homes 😋

@yo_its_gingey5329 3 жыл бұрын

@@shadebleu don’t mean they ain’t gonna eat good lol osama was eatin good af in the middle east lol

@SamA-zu6ru 3 жыл бұрын

What he’s saying isn’t true .. maybe that what’s happening in his family

@rdbjrseattle 3 жыл бұрын

Most cultures don’t want you to bring embarrassment to the family by acting ignorant, or disrespectful around others.

@wncoriginalmusic9869 3 жыл бұрын

I love you guys and especially how Cenk's lighting always looks like he just opened the suitcase from Pulp Fiction.

@dogaemiramasyal8955 Жыл бұрын

Birader hitap ettiğin kitledeki Türk nefretine bakar mısın ya?

@BoqPrecision 3 жыл бұрын

Ayb is from Arabic...The term is literally used from Mauritania to Iran.

@coosoorlog 3 жыл бұрын

congratulations. words travel between languages.

@BoqPrecision 3 жыл бұрын

@@coosoorlog lots of Turkish borrowed words in Arabic too...like Pasha, Effendim, Bey, Kebab, Baclava, Shawarma, etc

@johnbrazier2272 3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget: western society is uniquely aberrant in human history. Our obsession with individuality, "being yourself", goes against almost all historical communities. It's due to a number of factors, such as wealth and security, and historically the commitment to your village/tribe/group was essential to you and your family's survival. If you look at the ancient greeks and their writings, it's clear that they would have found the notion of "individual liberty" very nearly incomprehensible: everything was about the family, society and their city-state. But the west does have an equivalent: where many societies have shame, and use it as a method to correct others, in the west we have guilt ("you let yourself down"): also used as a weapon of control. But this should not be taken as being derogatory of either system: they are just part of the enormous variation in human beings and their societies.

@johnbrazier2272 3 жыл бұрын

@Jake B I never indicated what I preferred - just pointed out that different societies exist, implying that knee-jerk condemnation is not a good idea. Here's a tip: the next time you're near a dictionary, if ever, actually look up the word "liberal": you'll find it doesn't match what you think it means.

@carolinemaybe 3 жыл бұрын

I wish more politicians knew what shame is. They’re too arrogant to feel it.

@level9drow856 3 жыл бұрын

It was like this when I was raised Catholic in a Hispanic family. Needless to say I am Atheist now.

@bobdobbolina8376 3 жыл бұрын

Hospitality & honor (and the shame for breaching the ideals of hospitality & honor) are fairly central themes in Islam so it's not that surprising that it's also in Turkish culture. Perhaps it goes deeper than that and they are simply human concepts that pop up in cultures across the globe. That said, in spite of their prevalence too many of us don't take these concepts to heart - and some far too seriously.

@themrsteddybear1044 3 жыл бұрын

Shame for me was brought on the Catholic religion that was BEAT into generations before me! I was raised on a Native American Reservation in Northern Wisconsin. Shame was trying to speak our language, or practice any of our traditions. This is the 7th generation now and we are finally trying to preserve and teach old and new generations almost all that was lost! But I can remember as a small child feeling shameful because I had darker skin and my long braided hair. 😢

@patriciawilson1836 3 жыл бұрын

What the "American culture: has done to indigenous people from Alaska to New York is NOTHING BUT SHAME. We have tried to deprive them of their culture, their traditions and in many situations, THEIR LIVES. They are the REAL Americans ! We should be the ones feeling SHAME. I certainly am ASHAMED for the actions of these DESPICABLE people which continues to this day. I'm so sorry for the treatment you received. Blessings.

@victoriawilliams2786 3 жыл бұрын

I was picked on as a kid too. Different reasons but the same feelings. I'm sorry it happened to you. I am really glad that you are able to teach your culture, language and everything else to others. I'm glad that you have been able to cast off the bullshit and are proud of your heritage. I hope 2021 brings you inner peace and harmony with your surroundings! Happy New Year!!! 🥳

@patriciawilson1836 3 жыл бұрын

@@victoriawilliams2786 I'm also sorry for you as well. I have been a mental health therapist for 43 years, working with adults from Alaska to New York. So many of their challenges come from being bullied when they were growing up.

@victoriawilliams2786 3 жыл бұрын

@@patriciawilson1836 That's an awesome job! Thank-you! I'm doing well. Middle aged now...😂

@patriciawilson1836 3 жыл бұрын

@@victoriawilliams2786 73 here. I've met so many AWESOME people who have struggled to work through the challenges and come out the other side.

@taniakeen4375 3 жыл бұрын

Africaaner have the same "laugh a lot will end crying a lot"

@squeakco 3 жыл бұрын

When I visited Russia, my family sat with our guide and we were all laughing together and having a good time, and our guide said the same thing, that we should stop laughing so much, because it means we will have to cry.

@goblinstrategist301 3 жыл бұрын

I actually really enjoy stuff like this because it's always neat to learn things about other cultures.

@gracekeyer5857 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but Ck wasn't teaching he was complaining...ranting.

@TuAFFalcon 3 жыл бұрын

Turks came from Turkistan bordering China. We migrated overtime and spread from there to Turkey. We are all Turkic people. There is like 300 million total includes all those ex soviet countries including Borat's country. Some add on info... Cenk means sword fighting in Turkish. I don't see Cenk taking up any swords anytime soon... His surname is from the Uygurs in China (our ancestors).

@AhmedAli-vt7wz 3 жыл бұрын

Aeb is not just cultural to turks but its also common amongst Muslim culture. It means deep shame. Whether your in pakistan, middle east or morroco Algeria. If you say this is Aeb we all know this means shameful.

@JesusIsEternalSalvation 3 жыл бұрын

Shame destroys people. Just love. Be kind, be respectful of peoples boundaries and respect and love yourself. You are worthy!

@victoriawilliams2786 3 жыл бұрын

Well said! 👏👏👏

@smoothbeak 3 жыл бұрын

"Shame, eternal shame, and nothing but shame!" - Shakespeare's Henry V

@ariefraiser140 3 жыл бұрын

Not only is America not heavy on the shame but at least half the country is pretty damn shameless.

@FJalltheway 3 жыл бұрын

In today's society, bad behavior is celebrated and rewarded, not shamed.

@solid7468 3 жыл бұрын

Funny how we share more in common and I'm Palestinian.

@aloud9738 3 жыл бұрын

Shalom.

@solid7468 3 жыл бұрын

@@aloud9738 hi?

@nigellill3222 3 жыл бұрын

Cenk , one word for you "Festivus" the ritual of "airing grievances" LOL Love your channel , happy new year, stay safe & keep on smiling.

@sabtiy80 3 жыл бұрын

Ayp (عيب) in Arabic. It’s very common in Arab countries and Turkey.

@nobodyknows3180 3 жыл бұрын

I first heard something about this in the movie Midnight Express. I think they pronounce it as "Yip" in that movie.

@coosoorlog 3 жыл бұрын

What movie are they talking about?

@hannamakela6989 3 жыл бұрын

Wise words. All the best for the new year! TYT made the past one just a bit easier to bear. To quote the man himself: "Thank you."

@DiandraStarShine 3 жыл бұрын

wise words?? how?? you're serious?? because Cenk *explained* a situation...and then ASKED a question about it, which had already been answered IN his EXPLANATION.🙄

@hannamakela6989 3 жыл бұрын

@@DiandraStarShine I think the talk on culture and shame is something that we should have more of. It was not about him presenting a thesis, rather, articulating the experience for further discussion.

@jamesmziegler 3 жыл бұрын

The whole shame thing arises all over the world. I had a Chinese girlfriend once who was even less fun than the Joy Luck Club. She always found a reason to feel shame about something no matter how small.

@elsagrace3893 3 жыл бұрын

Eib! Is also in Arabic.

@esetamorgan7978 3 жыл бұрын

that saying 'if you laugh a lot, you'll cry a lot' is also a Samoan saying and it usually rings true.

@mistym0rning 3 жыл бұрын

@Jenny Jones -- there was zero need to make this political. And Jan. 6th won't change a thing. Pence won't do what Trump wants him to do. He'll certify the original electoral votes and that's that. Jeez, just enjoy watching a KZfaq video about something else without making it about your Trump obsession

@YoCraps-og4kt 3 жыл бұрын

Just dropping by too see if Cenks 15 minutes of fame are over yet. I see he's down to his final 5 seconds. Thank God. Back too Jimmy Dore.

@ginachaves9393 3 жыл бұрын

20 years is a long 15 minutes of fame bro

@YoCraps-og4kt 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry Gina, I should have been more "specific". That's my fault. I should have clearly pointed out the fact that since Cenk has only been "relative" for about 13 minutes in his entire career, his 15 minutes of fame are almost over. Sorry for the confusion.

@YoCraps-og4kt 3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ql8ji8dj9u Oh he knows, is it, Mr, Mrs, Miss, or Ms Numbers? Jimmy slams Trump all the time. I was kind of hoping Trump would do 1 thing right before he left office. And that is pardoning Snowden and Assange. That would have been the right thing to do, they are hero's, not traitors. I voted for Jo Jorgensen if you were curious.

@YoCraps-og4kt 3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ql8ji8dj9u Look lady, I voted for J.J. But thanks for playing.

@1000ramd 3 жыл бұрын

"Ayb" is an Arabic word and it's mainly used to maintain social and personal etiquette. Bad examples.. eating pork is haram "forbidden" in a religious context not "ayb" (i.e. "shameful") and shaving one's beard is neither ayb nor haram.

@widowkeeper4739 3 жыл бұрын

I'm partially deaf and the Closed Captioning is not picking up the Turkish word. Could someone write it out for me? Thank you.

@MilkyWhite1 3 жыл бұрын

Someone said ayip

@sakka9432 3 жыл бұрын

To Herbert - these gentlemen are talking about the commonality of unhelpful moral shame in original immigrant families and subsequent first and second generation children in USA. And yes Herbert, somewhere in your family tree is the origination of your family, immigrants! Once you get beyond the unhelpful part of shame a human begins to see that shame based in wholesomeness and wisdom can be very helpful and even guard our own humanity. It’s about DIGNITY, inner DIGNITY for yourself an outer DIGNITY for the other person. But first you have to get through the Unwholesome shame. Thank you to these two gentlemen for reflecting on something important with a humorous tone. Herbert - Good luck on becoming human!

@ZarlanTheGreen 3 жыл бұрын

This is simply a description of a strong "honour culture", aka "shame culture". It's pretty firm and strong, in the Middle East. "The West" has gone a bit away from it, but (especially the US) is *NOT* free of it. Look up honour/shame culture vs guilt culture. Also note that "honour killings" and (the vast majority of) duels to the death, are both natural outcomes of honour culture …and the "honour" (or "face". Reputation, basically), in honour culture, is what the word honour really means and always has meant.

@breez211 3 жыл бұрын

Ayip Shame is a mechanism to keep the balance from going overboard in humiliating yourself and being rude offending others. For other cultures and religions it changes. I think the key for mankind is to have a little humility to be able to broaden your realistic envision.

@dawnsstar5918 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's just the region he was grown in. I had visited relatives, on the Asian side. We visited every one of them, and every one of them came to visit us. Laughing, smoking, drinking raki, and games. Yeah, it was pretty much a blast. Um, Idk, Cenk. Also, they definitely weren't bought up like that afaik.

@Headsign 3 жыл бұрын

Actually, "Who laughs a lot will cry a lot" is a very good saying when it's about people who laugh about others.

@deltatango6793 3 жыл бұрын

My mom is a Polish immigrant and I actually just said to my boyfriend the other day how when I am doing certain things around my apartment, I can hear my mom saying, “you should be SHAMED.” I always thought it was her immigrant English and messing up her saying “ashamed”, but no.. she means SHAMED.

@likeyou1902 3 жыл бұрын

I'm polish and it doesn't make sense to me. I get it when a parent says 'you should be ashamed' for doing something wrong, but 'you should be shamed' is not something I would have heard from my parents. Shamed by who? Shamed how?

@katrina4013 3 жыл бұрын

Not so different in Canada the British etiquette like passing around the tea and cookies to the adults soooo scary as a child who is supposed to be seen and not heard.

@coolnvigilantoutreach9418 3 жыл бұрын

Growing up for me was more about: elbows off the table, say grace, go to church on Sunday, please and thank you, no disobedience

@sky-eo8tz 7 ай бұрын

in the emotion of ‘AYIP ‘ l can t say there is a feeling of being Ashamed it is more like “it is not Appropriate “ or “ your action can be judgemental “

@dom3073 3 жыл бұрын

ayp = ayb = عيب which comes from arabic meaning shameful.

@Mightymoe918 3 жыл бұрын

Yea I was surprised this comment didn’t come any earlier

@esdfg 3 жыл бұрын

For the people who don’t speak Turkish, it’s “ayıp”, not “ayip”. In uppercase letters: “AYIP”. The third letter “ı/I” does not have any equivalent in English.

@dena81 3 жыл бұрын

Egyptians are the same. You don't ask for anything at someone else's house but if they come over you treat them like kings.

@HKISfreak1 3 жыл бұрын

The guy's family was from Pakistan, not India :)

@MajimeTV 3 жыл бұрын

This is the best way to describe to my non-immigrant multi-generational american and native american friends just how different my culture is from theirs.

@bdsahin 3 жыл бұрын

As someone from Turkey and a part of the generation that Cenk is referring to, most of this is spot on. Shame is a good close translation, but in "ayip" there is certainly a strong element of honor or more specifically dishonor as well, and that is why for the most part it carries more weight with it than simply "shame". However, I will say that the concept of "ayip" is certainly not all bad. It is a strong part of our culture and depending on how the family (mainly the parents/elders) decide to use it, "ayip" will guide the next generations sense of moral compass. It can be overdone and I have seen examples of it, but I think when used sparingly it is necessary. When I had a chance to travel to Japan, I felt like there was a strong element of "ayip" in the culture. It exists in one level or another in most middle eastern and asian cultures. It is non-existent in some parts of Europe and in the US and it leads to the likes of the fat orange man and his family if you catch my drift...

@nedludd7622 3 жыл бұрын

Way back when I was a kid, there was a popular semi-humorous saying of parents, "Kids, whatever you're doing, stop it."

@steppenwolf3252 3 жыл бұрын

When I was growing up I heard, "children were made to be seen but not heard." hehehe (seriously)

@johnvogel5722 3 жыл бұрын

I'm 9 years older I think than Cenck. Opposite growing up experience. We were given the room to do right and express. The trust from parents to children in the rural areas was overwhelming compared to the friends that lived in the country club area$$$$. They liked me in the country nature of their surroundings. My folks were the support and hard work ethics that made my life regretfully free.

@NOURINHO-rv5fk 3 жыл бұрын

That word is very bad. It is like death sentence.

@duncanyourmate2433 3 жыл бұрын

So does that mean that I can eat pork, and know it will never cost as much as beef & lamb, cause many people don't eat it for cultural reasons; I hope so cause its about the only meat i can afford, as I have been unemployed for over 10 months, and savings are getting on the skinny side, same as mortgage repayments, I also want to thank TYT & TDR, for helping to keep my sanity under lockdown, Happy & Healthy 21,to You all, not just presenters, all the technical people too, and I am happy Cenk, that you will & the world will have a Tock after all the tics ,sincerely

@jjay6432 3 жыл бұрын

Weaned on shame? It's a trigger word in many cultures, my gosh this is so familiar 😕

@jeremydunn3976 3 жыл бұрын

Great video guys

@666ingz 3 жыл бұрын

Was the film East is East?

@poeticjustice1000 3 жыл бұрын

No. Blinded by the Light. Both are British movies though.

@Johnywang1 3 жыл бұрын

.... cenk is kinda showing his political/social ideology here. he's an atheist/nihilist. doesnt mean we dont align on things politically. but coming from an orthodox religous family myself. politiness,shame and obiedience were a big part of my family and our interactions with other people. this idea of being especially nice applies to extended family, in laws, and acquaintances it doesnt really apply to my best friend, brother/sister, wife. im not turkish, but imagine as a pakistani person. its similar. wasn't really painful for me to be nice to others.

@LeftIsBest001 3 жыл бұрын

But is some exception given to say foreigners who may not understand the specific etiquette?

@user-ht9oc7gw1f 3 жыл бұрын

yes definitely. especially if they can tell you're trying.

@erynpimentel915 3 жыл бұрын

In Portuguese there’s a word similar to this: vergonha

@j.m.b5441 3 жыл бұрын

In Spanish we have the word Verguenza, very similar to Portuguese.

@zainzoala1083 3 жыл бұрын

Please TYT keep your atheism to yourself. It is ( Ayb / shame / disrespectful ) to speak down other's who are different then you, just because you disagree with them. It is actually Arabic word meaning ( Shame and also said to tell someone show some respect) , used in almost all Muslim countries. Also In Many countries and cultures, When you are in someone else house , there are certain practiced religious or cultures etiquette that you supposed to practice when you know or are informed. You can't go someone else house and do whatever you want, as of it is your own house. Also there are rules when the come to your house. Simple example, you suppose to inform and wait knock and confirm first before entering their house and when you move around in their house rooms, toilet. To show you are someone who has respect for privacy.

@barrywhite1770 3 жыл бұрын

Please keep your comment regarding their expressed atheism to yourself. It is shameful to make a negative comment on someone else’s KZfaq channel.

@Razormiller 3 жыл бұрын

lol a Religious person telling people to keep their atheism to themselves......... now thats irony.

@zainzoala1083 3 жыл бұрын

@@barrywhite1770 Haha, Truth hurts

@TahtahmesDiary 3 жыл бұрын

I'm kinda with you here Zain. Atheists will sometimes think their blatant disrespect and disregard for other cultures or even misunderstandings of other cultures is somehow scientifically backed when it plainly isn't.

@zainzoala1083 3 жыл бұрын

@@TahtahmesDiary Exactly, thank you

@t.nelson9345 3 жыл бұрын

America we are losing shame.

@CBlargh 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but when will Cenk react to Turkish _Delight?_

@aam3489 3 жыл бұрын

Not only in Turkey but in Arabic as well

@alaabalaan 3 жыл бұрын

I can confirm this😅😅😅 3eb🤫😂

@marylandlax3 3 жыл бұрын

This reminds me so much of southern culture, when you’re invited to someone’s home you aren’t remotely yourself, you’re the ideal human being, you don’t burp, shit, fart, need water or food, you are nothing but a homunculus. However if someone is in your home you bring them grapes and a fan, you never bring up politics or religion, like both situations are so unbelievably stressful lol

@mohamedmo8128 3 жыл бұрын

I always thought southern culture = guns. You can't eat or go to the toilet when you have guests in the south???

@jeffczermanski2993 3 жыл бұрын

Did he say "his friend Borat"?

@chelecovers6893 3 жыл бұрын

His childhood best friend is named bora.

@juliestasha2919 3 жыл бұрын

I never knew that was a talent, I am super good at fridge Tetris, thanks 😁

@doodoobean2621 3 жыл бұрын

Very enlightening segment. Thank you.

@jstreeter6495 3 жыл бұрын

I can relate.

@ozcancece8266 3 жыл бұрын

Mr. Uygur, ayıp doesn’t mean shame all the time. Ayıp also means it’s not polite. If you do something wrong in someone else is house that’s not a shame it’s not polite(ayip). Besides you are free, and welcome to laugh at someone else’s house.

@mwilson7842 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone experienced this?

@carolynleder 3 жыл бұрын

Strict conservative religious upbringing does that same kind of shame software.

@injunsun 3 жыл бұрын

We in the U.S. could do with more of that politeness shaming, and less personal shaming based on our identity differences. I.e., more hegemony for being kind, less for being different.