Cessna 208B Caravan Crash, Burley ID

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blancolirio

2 жыл бұрын

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@blancolirio
@blancolirio 2 жыл бұрын
The obstacles at Burley Airport and the (mis) management of obstacle clearances are going to be a BIG part of this investigation, this is a fast moving story impacting smaller airports all around the country. Updates as they become available. Jb.
@safeinmyheart1
@safeinmyheart1 2 жыл бұрын
Juan - I'm so glad to hear that. This one really hits hard. Thank you for all of your hard work! 💜
@bradcrosier1332
@bradcrosier1332 2 жыл бұрын
I curious if you've come across anything along the lines I've hear a few other places - such as the height of the stack being misrepresented, paperwork on the stack having not been filed which might have effected the MDA), and that there WAS a VASI to runway 20 - but it was deactivated due to the stacks encroaching on it's approach path (hence the now obsolete note on the chart about the VGSI and descent path angles not being coincident)?
@CARDINAL701
@CARDINAL701 2 жыл бұрын
That airport must have been designed by members of Congress.
@shermankelly9062
@shermankelly9062 2 жыл бұрын
Juan, flight instructor killed in Memphis 5 31 2022
@wrxsnowman
@wrxsnowman 2 жыл бұрын
Juan, This is a very difficult admission for me as this accident involving Brittney is personal. I was her instrument instructor and was intently dedicated to helping her earn her instrument rating. She was one of the most enthusiastic students/people I have ever flown with. Her attention to detail while working with me was evident. She was a true aviation ambassador and especially for young women. It has been a serious gut-wrenching few days since the accident. I do not blame myself for what happened, because ultimately we as instrument pilots much adhere to the minimums set forth by the approaches we fly. Having worked with her almost 3 years ago, it's hard for me to know and understand where her instrument proficiency existed. I hadn't talked to her in almost 2 years and didn't even know she was flying cargo. I really want to thank you for this detailed analysis. I couldn't agree more with your breakdown of the components you discussed. Immediately after the accident, I was looking through the exact data and concluded that she went under minimums for some reason and ultimately this was the result. I can not stress minimum adherence enough and this is a prime example of why it matters. I will be intently following the FAA's investigation because I wonder what other factors may have arisen from this accident or if it were purely pilot error. The challenges of single-pilot IFR and not to mention this unique and challenging approach showed a first missed followed by events that fell apart. I feel for Brittney in this situation! We must as pilots always stay humble and know that we aren't invincible. We must always aim to follow the procedures and never be afraid to go around and divert. I wish I knew what was going on, and we may never know what happened exactly on her flight deck. I do hope that some, if not all of us learn from this that there is a reason there are MDA's and DAs on approaches. Cheers! Stay safe aviators!
@MrPatches09
@MrPatches09 2 жыл бұрын
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@yowwwwie
@yowwwwie 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Can you think of any reason her instruments (altimeter) could have failed in final approach? יוי
@califcamper
@califcamper 2 жыл бұрын
Could it possibly be she just couldn't make out the runway, I mean there was snow etc
@wrxsnowman
@wrxsnowman 2 жыл бұрын
@@yowwwwie There are a plethora of possible occurrences that might have contributed to this accident. All we have to go off of is what we do know. When it comes to system failures, that’s going to be something that FAA will investigate and report when the facts are determined.
@wrxsnowman
@wrxsnowman 2 жыл бұрын
@@califcamper yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that she went below minimums. That’s the point of having minimums to keep you in the safety areas as defined by the TERPS. The first approach appeared to be unstable and she went missed. The second, appeared to be more stable, but the lack of runway lighting and poor visibility definitely contributed to her not finding the runway. Its hard to know exactly what she saw or didn’t see. What it appears to be is she was trying to get down including going below MDA in order to find the runway.
@christainmarks106
@christainmarks106 2 жыл бұрын
Bless her, her family and all affected by this tragedy 🌹
@evanmitton5007
@evanmitton5007 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering this Juan,I just met this lady at the SLC Airport where I work as a mechanic on the cargo Ramp we gave her a ride back to her car on a rainy night last week and she said she loved flying for gem air that they were a wonderful company and great people to work for,so sad for her family and their loss of a beautiful person and pilot.
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 2 жыл бұрын
Was she one of the sisters from the ATP commercial?
@evanmitton5007
@evanmitton5007 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradsanders407 they were the Wilson sisters lexi and Emily from Texas.
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 2 жыл бұрын
@@evanmitton5007 were?!?! I hope nothing happened to them as well. I'm just messing with you. But yeah while reading an article online about the incident I could tell by the close up picture that it wasn't one of the sisters. Thanks for the response and yes such a sad loss.
@cpcattin
@cpcattin 2 жыл бұрын
Juan, I just want to cry. I’m a 67 YO PP. In ~1985 I lived in Missoula Montana. I had a friend (retired Air Force fighter pilot). He supplemented his income by flying checks. About the same time of year as this tragedy, inbound to pickup his cargo approaching Helena Montana my friend and a fly-along buddy crashed their Cessna into a nearby mountain. (Skihi) He was a great man with a beautiful Christian family, his oldest son was graduating high school. 40 years ago he gave me a check ride (Mooney 231) from Missoula to Billings and return. Aviation is an industry that attracts great people. Thank you again for the service you provide and the manner in which you provide it.
@kencraig7308
@kencraig7308 2 жыл бұрын
So tragic, RIP young lady and my sincerest condolences to the family.
@blue81blue81
@blue81blue81 2 жыл бұрын
Yep I was a freight dog in the caravan while working my way up and to this day feel lucky to have lived through that career segment. And yes I lost co-workers. One day they are there on the ramp drinking coffee and waiting like all of us for our planes to be loaded and then they were gone. Freight ops can be good for a career. The regionals know your IFR skills are sharp and you have weather experience. The flaw in freight is we are asked to do our most demanding flying at the most inexperienced time in our careers. On bad weather days single pilot IFR is not for the faint of heart. You have to be on it....every moment. I remember taxing out knowing I was going to get my butt kicked in turbulent conditions and ice on the airplane. Thats when you decide if you really want to fly for a living. It took everything I had to push the power lever forward and go. But thats the job. And nobody wanted to turn down a flight. Nobody wanted to be that guy. I didn't know this pilot at all. Yet I'm deeply saddened by her loss. She was one of us. She pushed the power lever forward and went. She just had a bad day. We have all had them. Some of us live through them. Some don't. RIP.
@moleisrich1
@moleisrich1 2 жыл бұрын
Well said. Except I got out of flying for this very reason. 25 bucks an hour to fly in horrible conditions. Not worth it. The limo driver was paid more than me that brought the pax. Miss it but I don’t.
@VLove-CFII
@VLove-CFII 2 жыл бұрын
Made me cry because it’s all true.
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 2 жыл бұрын
If thats the conditions and low safety standards set by the industry, then MAJOR CHANGES need to happen. No one should have to make a living this way. Except those who choose to fight as warriors to save thier country. Im shocked this is what goes on for low time pilots. Pressure from executives to make the flights needs to change.
@dpeasehead
@dpeasehead 2 жыл бұрын
@@RoseSharon7777 It has been this way for many many decades. In fact, it has become normalized as being just the way people earn the right to be called pilots. Years ago I had a book called "God Was My Co-pilot" and I believe that there was a chapter in it titled something like "When Death Flew the Mail." Wood, wire and fabric, and props and bonfire beacons have given way to to composites and electronics and nav radios, GPS, and turbines, but, the grueling process of gaining flight hours and experience seems to have remained unchanged.
@CMDRSweeper
@CMDRSweeper 2 жыл бұрын
@@dpeasehead If it has been that way doesn't mean it should stay that way, it needs to be changed. Dare to be the guy to say no, granted it is only you in the cockpit and not like that Dryden crash, but it doesn't change the tragic side of such a story at all. Guess it isn't just the Right to repair side of the world that needs fixing...
@GeorgeSemel
@GeorgeSemel 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'll agree with you about paying your dues, when I finally got an interview with an Airline I was one of 7 guys interviewing for a SIC on a Twin Otter. I was the only civil pilot in the room, my previous 5 years flying cancel checks doing up to 12 approaches a night, was worthless to them, 8000 hours almost 5000 twin time, and as sharp at instruments as I ever was, it was not enough- no turbine time, I had turbine helicopter because I was flying those too. Then the Cessna 208's came along and got a job flying one- one-hour flying layover for 10 hours flying back for 2 to 2.2 hours a day 5 nights a week. 10 hours a week, my guess it was the same for that young lady except she was still very green with just what 135 IFR requires. The Feeders for UPS or FEDEX are pretty good, I never saw anything substandard. But there is pressure to stick to the block times. By the time I got a seat, I had a lot of flight time and Single Pilot IFR under my belt. It still took me a good year to get real comfortable with the pace. There is nothing in those boxes that is more valuable than your life. The hardest thing for a pilot to learn is to say NO. 30 is way too young to go, and for keeping time for some UPS boxes, not on your life. I retired in 2021, I thought I would miss it, but I don't.
@jacksak
@jacksak 2 жыл бұрын
Good comment by you...
@marlinweekley51
@marlinweekley51 2 жыл бұрын
Long time GA pilot. Our first home was right under the midnight “check flight” into the airport 15 miles away. I recall hearing the plane come low over our house many nights in horrible weather - rain, snow, heavy wind - and think God protect that pilot. I couldn’t imagine being in that cockpit. So upsetting these young pilot feel pressure to fly in horrible conditions.
@afreightdogslife
@afreightdogslife 2 жыл бұрын
George, we all had to go through this type of operations. Some are good companies and others not so much. For the most part you are just barely making ends meet and are deeply in debt. You just hope to make it to ATP minimums with hopefully sobre turbine time on your logbook. The whole system sucks and takes a toll on all involved. I am so glad that I have 5 years to go before I retire. I have been lucky that I never had any serious episode or closed calls. When I finally left the pistons and transitioned to the turboprops, I clearly remember feeling a lot better about safety, and years later when I started flying jets, I thought that at least there were no props or anti ice boots to worry about anymore. I have flown everything Boeing with the exception of the B777 and the B787. Currently I fly the 747s doing long haul heavy cargo, and I am eagerly waiting for my 65th birthday, just like I am sure you did, and like you I will not miss the lifestyle - I hope. I feel sad by the loss of this young lady, that's a tragedy to all involved especially her family. RIP young Aviatrix.
@bayanon7532
@bayanon7532 2 жыл бұрын
I interviewed with Ameriflight after time in the Air Force at a time when flying jobs were rare. I showed for the interview at 5ish in the morning. As the pilots straggled in it was just depression on their faces. The airplanes were junk. Old piper single engine pistons with no autopilots and junk instruments. The fuselages had many riveted on patches. It was horrible. The job was to fly to some shithole airport, wait there in a hot bunk until the afternoon and then fly home. I computed that I would be in the city limits of the town I lived in for 8 hours each day. Crew rest was computed while we were in the crap house they used in the away airport. And it was a completely terrible year for bad weather. I declined the job.
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 2 жыл бұрын
Man, you guys sure don't make the profession sound fun. I fly a lot and admire the beauty of aviation but I often question how glamorous the life really is. They put on a good show, and I thank the pilots every time I get the chance, but I don't think I would actually want that job or climbing the ropes to get there.
@billlawrence1899
@billlawrence1899 2 жыл бұрын
So tragic. A lovely and brilliant young light snuffed out just like that. I'm a retired airline captain, and I well remember that as a young pilot with all the ratings I never felt I was a competent instrument pilot until I had many hours in my log under the watchful eye of my captains. Now, here's this beautiful and dedicated young woman, single pilot IFR, heavy work load, in marginal to say the least weather conditions, under pressure to deliver the cargo, perhaps stressed having just had to go missed on the first attempt, trying so hard to find the runway, perhaps lost situational awareness of her altitude straining to get a visual on the runway. Even an old dog like me would have a difficult time doing that. She has her angel wings now.
@77thTrombone
@77thTrombone 2 жыл бұрын
No doubt, captain. No doubt.
@safeinmyheart1
@safeinmyheart1 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully said. 💜
@hb1338
@hb1338 2 жыл бұрын
What troubles me is that in so many circumstances, in order to stay safe you have to be brutal and ruthless in your decision making. That tough mindset does not develop until you have had enough nasty experiences to put your life at risk.
@77thTrombone
@77thTrombone 2 жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 well, what to say about this? "A good gardener has a hard heart and a sharp knife." In modern urban & suburban life (especially suburban!), folks seem too protected from nature & physics for their own good. I tell my kids: "being nice isn't always being nice." Meaning, if I don't care about you, I can be nice. If I care about you, I have to be "not nice" sometimes. Learn to make unpleasant decisions early.
@carfran53
@carfran53 2 жыл бұрын
I am a retired airline pilot, logged 25,500 hours in my entire career. I can say that was a very tricky approach, even for a seasoned pilot, in those weather conditions. It is so sad to see a young fellow pilot ending her life in an accident like this. My deepest condolences for her family and loved ones.
@RMR1
@RMR1 2 жыл бұрын
Just awful. I hate hearing about young pilots losing their lives like this. Just doing their best to build up those hours and in the blink of an eye, they're gone. It's sobering how a few feet literally meant the difference between a long life and a rewarding 30-plus year career with the airlines ... and dying at the relatively young age of 30.
@lazboy388
@lazboy388 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry but butsting the MDA but 300+' isn't just a minor mistake.
@TheSoaringChannel
@TheSoaringChannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@lazboy388 it is if you thought the street lights were runway lights. That's my theory. Look at that overhead view again. This is eerily similar to KEWR.
@TIO540S1
@TIO540S1 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSoaringChannel Per her father, she was very familiar with the airport. I don’t think she’d make that mistake. I’m afraid her familiarity led her to think she could descend below the MDA and drive to the airport. When I think of close calls I’ve had in 41 years of flying... Well, there but for the grace of God... RIP Brittney and prayers to her family.
@TheSoaringChannel
@TheSoaringChannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@TIO540S1 yessir absolutely. But as you know: flying in low vis snow can be screwy on a level off non precision approach. I'm gonna go ahead and guess the G1000 does VNAV constant descents. If that's the case, maybe the MDA wasn't selected, but the missed approach was set so it never stopped the descent? Shoot I dunno the G1000 at all lol would be nice to have if I ever get a powered GA aircraft again. Doesn't the G1000 have the option for synthetic vision?
@andrewhoag1255
@andrewhoag1255 2 жыл бұрын
@@lazboy388 why would you say such a thing Heartless ! I guess your perfect. A few hundred feet takes only seconds of inattentiveness when really busy looking for the runway.
@TrondBrgeKrokli
@TrondBrgeKrokli 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this detailed walkthrough of the accident surroundings and what contributed to the tragic event.
@catherinenelson4162
@catherinenelson4162 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. The visual helps.
@idanceforpennies281
@idanceforpennies281 2 жыл бұрын
In my IFR instruction, I was told: "Don't keep descending until you see the ground, lest the ground finds you first".
@Mike7478F
@Mike7478F 2 жыл бұрын
Never a truer word spoken in aviation. Divert it ain’t right.
@sonnyburnett8725
@sonnyburnett8725 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Juan for that final remark, my oldest son stopped flying “I believe” when he started seeing how crazy and possibly dangerous some of the flying can be for those wanting to build hours and become a professional pilot and honestly I was happy when he decided to pursue another career path than I had. God bless Brittney.
@arthurpearson3407
@arthurpearson3407 2 жыл бұрын
Single pilot IFR in those conditions is most definitely challenging. I had an female instructor friend of mine in 1973 that was flying checks in a Beech Baron died in a crash on an ILS into Boston Harbor on her second approach after missing her first one. A contributing factor was the visual effects of low visibility and reflection of lights off the water just at the end of Rnwy 04R.
@bayanon7532
@bayanon7532 2 жыл бұрын
Arthur Pearson Sorry
@mikelavelle5019
@mikelavelle5019 2 жыл бұрын
Dan's analysis was perfect. He said listen to whatever Juan says.
@markweldon3459
@markweldon3459 2 жыл бұрын
Dan also said, “My name is Dan. I like cheese.”
@retydeere1111
@retydeere1111 2 жыл бұрын
Dan also said Juan bounces 777’s
@joeblow5037
@joeblow5037 2 жыл бұрын
@@retydeere1111 not as good as Dan bounces C-47's 😲
@bwyseymail
@bwyseymail 2 жыл бұрын
@@retydeere1111 That is not a bounce, it is a KABLAMMO.
@SIGINT007
@SIGINT007 2 жыл бұрын
@@retydeere1111 guys that park Cessna’s upside down in corn fields shouldn’t be making fun of others…kidding or not.
@RyanbATC
@RyanbATC 2 жыл бұрын
Air traffic controller and PPL ASEL here - but low PIC time. This is the best fact-based analysis I've seen of any accident so far. Thank you for your insight.
@dereksmith1803
@dereksmith1803 2 жыл бұрын
Tragic loss of such a young, beautiful woman. My heart goes out to her friends and family.
@danasampson818
@danasampson818 2 жыл бұрын
Tragic. I appreciate your non-biased, non-judgmental, sticking-to-the-facts analysis. I am an older pilot, but working my way to the job with Fedx she was doing. It’s very sobering.
@chrisroberts3963
@chrisroberts3963 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck. With these guys you are going no matter what. Guaranteed she would have been in the chief pilots office if you diverted somewhere else. There is a lot of pressure to get the job done.
@weschilton
@weschilton 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisroberts3963 unreasonable pressure that very likely cost her life.
@bayanon7532
@bayanon7532 2 жыл бұрын
Dana Sampson Just learn to say no early and often .... You may get fired, but there are other flying jobs. You will be proud of yourself when you retire. I am. I was once sitting in a crew-room waiting for passengers and heard a story from another pilot. He was waiting to takeoff one night from Chicago during terrible icy weather. He told his boss he wouldn't do it. The boss told him when they got home he would be fired. He went to his hotel room and called his wife to tell her he was out of a job. Later his boss called him to meet him in the bar. On the television was news of the Air Florida Flt 90 crash. The boss thanked him and apologized. It might have been bad had he not been brave in the face of termination.
@chrisroberts3963
@chrisroberts3963 2 жыл бұрын
I still remember one of my very first interviews. The guy asked me “what I would do if there is a thunderstorm right at the end of the runway”? I said I would wait til it passed over. He then said “if you went through it how long would you be in it”? 😯
@the_duke_of_bork8702
@the_duke_of_bork8702 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisroberts3963 "For the rest of my life".
@questr123
@questr123 2 жыл бұрын
Such a sad situation here. There is a hard lesson to be learned in this accident, and one which should be emphasized because it would do justice to the tragic loss of this young woman's life . That lesson is: Learn, understand, heed & exercise discipline to NOT GO BELOW MINIMUMS, no matter how tempting may be the little voice in the back of your head. Not even to "dip down to have a little look-see". It's not worth it. As an ATP who flew as a Captain at a commuter airline and did hundreds of approaches in the WX to minimums, I can see how temptation can get the better of pilots, and we need to help each other out with stressing the importance of not gambling with lives & property near the Missed Approach Point when the WX is at or near minimums. Just do the miss, and go to the alternate. EZ PZ. It's all just stuff in those boxes, and it CAN WAIT to get on the ground and at that airport. Do the right thing. The safe thing. Just go to better conditions and live to fly another day. It's just stuff!
@evanmitton5007
@evanmitton5007 2 жыл бұрын
Amen to that brother, they can wait another day to get their cheesy molded plastic chingases.
@jonathanrabbitt
@jonathanrabbitt 2 жыл бұрын
What would have been her alternates; and would the conditions been any better?
@questr123
@questr123 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanrabbitt I can't tell you those specifics for this flight. But under IFR, the FARs (Federal Aviation Regulations) for Part 135 operations specify required alternates filed in the flight plan based on current weather; weather forecasts; weather forecasts for the ETA at the alternate; fuel requirements for getting to this (or other) alternates; for the ability to fly for 45 minutes AFTER reaching the alternate; etc. If the Regulations are followed precisely, it's almost guaranteed that the flight could've been made to one or more alternates, or to VFR conditions, or even back to the point of departure safely if enough fuel (as specified by the Regs) had been carried on board. If these conditions weren't able to be met at the time of departure, then the flight should've been canceled and attempted when conditions improved.
@daneav8
@daneav8 2 жыл бұрын
(Juan, this comment is not directed at you) You guys are all arm-chair-quarterbacking a fellow pilot and you have no evidence (yet) that she intentionally “ducked” below minimums. I’m not saying pilot error won’t be found to be a factor, but there are numerous other circumstances that could lead to the aircraft ending up on top of a potato processing plant. The caravan is notoriously poor in icing conditions, so ice build up could have ultimately pulled her down. Fuel starvation, mechanical issue…who knows. Let the facts sort themselves out; or, just keep on telling the community how you think it happened as if you were sitting there in the right seat and witnessed it all first hand.
@questr123
@questr123 2 жыл бұрын
@@daneav8 Pilots don't "fly" aircraft, nor do we just "control" them. We take on the responsibility to COMMAND them. Fuel management/mismanagement/starvation- Responsibility: The Pilot in Command. Flight into, or continued flight into, icing conditions which are beyond the certified design capability of the aircraft's anti-icing/deicing equipment to handle, or failure to take actions to exit these conditions- Responsibility: The Pilot in Command. One disturbing overall trend in our culture, which seems to be seeping into the pilot "community" too, is often to blame forces outside oneself for adverse outcomes, or to deflect responsibility to someone, something, or some other cause when convenient. From "chocks out" to "chocks in", pilots take on a huge responsibility when they act as Pilot in Command. I don't think we emphasize the enormity of this job nearly enough in the aviation and pilot training environments. And my comments here shouldn't be seen as applying to just the tragic outcome of the loss of this woman's life and the crash of the Caravan, but throughout the entirety of aviation and space endeavors. We need a lot less whining, complaining, and fragility. And a lot more of "the buck stops here".
@larryclark78
@larryclark78 2 жыл бұрын
Larry Clark I flew with her last August. She was a sweet girl. it's heart breaking.
@bernardanderson3758
@bernardanderson3758 2 жыл бұрын
Prayers goes out to her family and friends and thank you for Juan for excellent words for explaining this fatal accident
@richardmourdock2719
@richardmourdock2719 2 жыл бұрын
Truly tragic. Years ago, my instructor must have told me fifteen times, "If you do an approach and execute a miss, don't feel badly about it. It means you did everything right. But if you consider doing a second approach to the same field ask yourself what you know, NOT THINK, but KNOW changed from moments before when you did everything perfectly?" After hearing that several times we had a long discussion and he added "a lot of accidents happen on the 2nd or 3rd approach because pilots get arrogant and think they can when they shouldn't. Always better to go to your alternate." I took the advice. Of course, I had the luxury of not working for an employer who wanted the package or passengers delivered, so I had the time to spend a few nights overnight, elsewhere.
@hb1338
@hb1338 2 жыл бұрын
At what age did you realise that none of us are as smart as we think ? I got lucky - I have lifelong friends who have always told me so, and teachers who quietly taught me to be self-critical, so I avoided any particularly nasty outcomes.
@LouT1501
@LouT1501 2 жыл бұрын
RIP, young lady. Saw Dan's piece on it, thanks for your video, Juan.
@scottkelley1558
@scottkelley1558 2 жыл бұрын
I listened to this analysis without emotion until i saw her photos near the end. That’s when you get an overwhelming feeling of sadness for her and her family. Wishing them all peace of mind and a lifetime of memories of her.
@nickmaguire4914
@nickmaguire4914 2 жыл бұрын
I don't work in aviation but in workplace health and safety and I follow aviation for their safety processes and incident investigation. Sad as it is it has to be personal to drive the changes to behavioural safety that are needed. If it hit's home you may get home.
@jf7243
@jf7243 2 жыл бұрын
Poor young lady, what a terrifying experience for her. Thanks Warren.
@duanequam7709
@duanequam7709 2 жыл бұрын
Great report Juan. You compassion in reporting these events is overwhelming to us who follow you.
@joeblow5037
@joeblow5037 2 жыл бұрын
What a damn shame. RIP young lady 😥
@vancemccarthy1935
@vancemccarthy1935 2 жыл бұрын
I see a few problems in this accident. Having flown the 208B Grand Caravan for 18,000 hours and being around the the freight business for 30 years. Looks like the Caravan was a 2013, newer A/C. Which means it was a G-1000 with a TKS system. My thought is, how was the Windshield De-ice managed ? If activated too late in the approach. When you reach minimums you're going to have a smeared icy mess. With no forward visibility. Another thought is, the low time pilots flying single pilot IFR in these type of conditions. A lot of the new pilots are CFI. Which they used to build up PIC time. With limited actual IFR experience.FedEX use to require 2,000 hours of PIC time. Then they lowered it to 1,800 to 1,500 then 1,200 hours. Due to the pilot shortages over the years. They can't go back. If one has 2,000 hours and a ATP, it's straight to the airlines. If or when our weather returns to normal or worse. The feeder freight company's are going to have their hands full.
@bignitro50
@bignitro50 2 жыл бұрын
She used to be an instructor at the CHD campus for the flight school that I teach at, sad to see this.
@44R0Ndin
@44R0Ndin 2 жыл бұрын
OK that tells me that it was probably (hopefully) not "Get-there-itis" or some job-related source of similar pressure to get to your destination no matter what. So for me, that leaves the weather, because them being an instructor also tells me that they certainly had enough fuel for the task at hand, plus a few go-arounds, plus a divert and another few go-arounds after that.
@stevet8121
@stevet8121 2 жыл бұрын
Burley, ID seems like a pretty tough assignment in sketchy weather. I'm so sorry to hear of this young pilot passing. I'm sure she will be terribly missed by many.
@jpfreight
@jpfreight 2 жыл бұрын
"...you have paid your dues." No truer words, Juan. Thanks for the video. Blue skies Brittany, from a former Caravan driver.
@psychosneighbor1509
@psychosneighbor1509 2 жыл бұрын
It boggles the mind how this plant could come along and build obstacles on the approach to an already existing airport and not take it upon themselves to light them -- required or not.
@ericmaxcy6793
@ericmaxcy6793 2 жыл бұрын
So sorry for the family ! Such a beautiful girl! Can't imagine the pain!! My daughter is 29. So so sorry for your loss!!
@JB-dp1yc
@JB-dp1yc 2 жыл бұрын
Dan Gryder sent me here.
@tx1hawkins357
@tx1hawkins357 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thoughtful review. My prayers for her family. Life lost way too early. We have all been in this pilot’s position, and it’s more complicated then most anyone can imagine. Single Pilot hard IFR with a less than optimal airfield in a complex aircraft is a very unforgiving situation. So sad. Thanks again for also being respectful in your commentary.
@pappybo49
@pappybo49 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent coverage, Juan. I just watched Dan Gryder’s report also and I’m glad he didsent what he had to you. You always seem to have superior insight into what exactly how these accidents occur using the FAA and NTSB Data as reported. Thanks for sharing your research so quickly and thoroughly. It’s a shame we have to learn from others mistakes but I’m really glad we have you to teach us.
@RMR1
@RMR1 2 жыл бұрын
Just 30 years old. Makes me sick to my stomach. Her father told a reporter through tears, "We're just sad and horrified and heartbroken." All true, of course, but the reality is, I don't think words can really convey the grief a parent feels at losing a child.
@400_billion_suns
@400_billion_suns 2 жыл бұрын
Even worse, this is the second child they have lost to tragic circumstances. I can't even imagine their pain. They are great people and it's just so sad. :(
@RMR1
@RMR1 2 жыл бұрын
@@400_billion_suns Oh my lord! I had no idea. I knew they had 5 kids, but didn't realize two have now died. You're right, that kind of pain is hard to fathom, even from losing one child, let alone two. Incredibly sad.
@curtislund8322
@curtislund8322 2 жыл бұрын
I cried at the end of this video, she was so brave and just trying to do her job.
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 2 жыл бұрын
Deepest sympathies to all family, loved ones and friends as they come to grips with this horrible loss of this young life. My heart just breaks for them. All she was trying to do was a good job. I fear there may have been too much pressure on her to get through. Thanks to Juan and Dan for your reporting of this.
@rodneymcqueen1706
@rodneymcqueen1706 2 жыл бұрын
seeing Brittney at the end hit me like a punch in the face, I can only imagine how lonely it would have felt out there. Fly high beautiful lady.
@wayneroyal3137
@wayneroyal3137 2 жыл бұрын
I fly a Citation 560 single pilot, it can be very taxing and you MUST stay ahead of airplane. This is so tragic and yet we have done something similar in our past and have gotten away with it. Juan, you put so much info into these videos, as sad and truly devastating as this one is, I can only hope, as I’m sure you do, others will take the info and learn. These mins are there for a reason and as much as we want get home, sometimes you just have to say “no” and divert. God speed and prayers for the family, friends and co workers
@bayanon7532
@bayanon7532 2 жыл бұрын
I have many thousands of hours in Citations single pilot. The thing I have said most to co-pilots when I was lucky enough to have one was "Say no early and often". Twin Falls was 35 miles away. I've spent many hours there waiting for weather to clear in Sun Valley. If she had diverted, she would have been a short drive from her own bed that night if the weather hadn't cleared. She would have felt terrible that she couldn't have made it in, but she would be alive.
@wayneroyal3137
@wayneroyal3137 2 жыл бұрын
@John Doe so what? Go start your own channel if you don’t life what JB is doing
@wayneroyal3137
@wayneroyal3137 2 жыл бұрын
@John Doe I truly apologize!!! I totally misread that!!! I do not know him but it would not surprise me one bit. Please accept my apology!!
@rebeccabillings6485
@rebeccabillings6485 2 жыл бұрын
You have done us all a tremendous service in your detailed, professional analysis of this. (Kudos too to Dan Gryder). My condolences to the family.
@henryreed6911
@henryreed6911 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan for helping us to understand how this tragic accident happened and my condolences to her family 🙏
@bradarmstrong3952
@bradarmstrong3952 2 жыл бұрын
Really excellent, thorough coverage as usual for you -- this level of detailed deep dive can only serve to teach others and improve their chances for doing it right!
@andrewsnow7386
@andrewsnow7386 2 жыл бұрын
It seems our least experienced pilots have to fly solo. Only after getting 1,500 hours in are you likely to get a copilot. I think there might be a problem here.
@bookoobeans
@bookoobeans 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it's a recipe for disaster.
@scottmattern482
@scottmattern482 2 жыл бұрын
As you get more experience, you will likely get promoted or take new jobs flying bigger aircraft with different classifications and regulations. A Cessna caravan can be flown by single pilot, but is small for a commercial aircraft and the type you would expect a new pilot to build time. Also, two pilots are required for commercial transport even with a Cessna caravan, she was flying cargo. Hopefully, that helps you understand why more experienced pilots are more likely to fly with a copilot and why a newer pilot was flying solo in this instance. Obviously, a major pilot error or critical equipment failure happened, there is definitely a risk involved when a humans jump in a machine to fly over the ground, especially when you cant see. Sometimes, terribly unfortunate things happen when you take a risk, no matter how many safety systems are in place - even an extra pilot.
@somealias-zs1bw
@somealias-zs1bw Ай бұрын
It makes sense to put the inexperienced in jobs where their mistakes can only kill themselves than in jobs where they can take 300+ people with them. There is the weed out process as well. If you made it through thousands of hours of challenging solo operations and survived then you're probably cut out for this. Every career has "up or out" the difference in aviation is that the "out" can sometimes include out of this world.
@d.t.4523
@d.t.4523 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Juan. I know how hard it is to hear these reports. I'm glad you can pass them along to us.
@daffodil71
@daffodil71 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your excellent report of this very sad event. It occurred within one mile of my home, and I saw it on my way to the library. I’m so sad for her family and friends.
@richardracine8437
@richardracine8437 2 жыл бұрын
Heartbreaking. Very, very challenging circumstances.Wish she had had a copilot to tell her to divert to an alternate.
@VLove-CFII
@VLove-CFII 2 жыл бұрын
Some times that second opinion saves your life..
@randallthomas5207
@randallthomas5207 2 жыл бұрын
A good kid, she will be missed. I spent a summer working with her at the beginning of Covid.
@paulkaiser4603
@paulkaiser4603 2 ай бұрын
i’ve flown this approach a half dozen times over the last five years in a PC12, flying Part 135 charters. Flying the approach in severe clear weather, with only a small amount of steam coming from the stacks, the sight picture of the plant and the smokestacks is quite foreboding. As Juan pointed out, the pilot was most likely aware of the need to fly the visual portion beyond the MDA very carefully, but at less than 100 kts with flaps zero, you are probably too close to being behind the power curve with the flight path going through a steam cloud. Flying this approach in VFR conditions, I’ve observed the steam cloud dissipating effectively during swirling winds, but then during lulls in the winds I’ve seen the steam cloud dramatically grow in height and width. It happens pretty quickly. As a former food plant engineer, I can tell you that the amount of steam coming out of a plant such as this can vary greatly depending on the production schedule. I’m curious if the FAA flight check crews flew this approach with a small amount of steam protruding from the stacks, thinking it wasn’t an issue. Perhaps during the accident flight, the amount of steam may have been significantly greater, due to production needs inside the factory. It seems like every time I landed at this airport I would ask myself the question, “why is that factory located right at the end of the approach?”.
@alanmorris7634
@alanmorris7634 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking us through this tragic incident. My condolences to the family.
@SkyBaum
@SkyBaum 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the accident analysis @Blancolirio. Deepest condolences to Britney’s family & those who knew her 🥲
@kevinmalloy2180
@kevinmalloy2180 2 жыл бұрын
Boy this is so tragic. Such a loss. May she rest in peace and may God be with her family and friends.
@johnstreet819
@johnstreet819 2 жыл бұрын
Brownie we know you enjoy doing reports like this one about as much as we enjoy seeing them. You are helping others by doing this analysis. Thank you.
@terrallputnam7979
@terrallputnam7979 2 жыл бұрын
So incredibly sad not only because she was such a good pilot but she was also a beautiful person. Weather kills pilots with no discrimination. Young, old, slim, not slim, girls, boys, no difference.
@EchoKilo
@EchoKilo 2 жыл бұрын
The family is already blaming the tower but it sounds like the pilot was well aware of that approach as it was on her normal route. Very sad.
@islandlife756
@islandlife756 2 жыл бұрын
Often the way, for grieving families to wrongly assign blame like that. It can harm reputations unfairly. I hope that in time they come to realize what happened and then make a statement about it.
@daneav8
@daneav8 2 жыл бұрын
When a car suddenly leaves the roadway and smashes into a telephone pole…is the telephone pole to blame? No. As the other said, grief makes us desperately search for answers - and quick blame is a result - it’s human nature. I truly feel horrible for the family and pray for an accurate investigation and real answers for them.
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 2 жыл бұрын
I mean I'm sure the tower meets all the requirements etc. On the other hand if the tower wasn't there she couldn't have hit it...
@EchoKilo
@EchoKilo 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomriley5790 Perhaps but she was so low if she was still descending she would have drove it into the ground or the river just short of the runway.
@megadavis5377
@megadavis5377 2 жыл бұрын
If there was ever a time to pine for a do-over, this is it. I've spent 53 years in aviation, and this is exactly why I never encouraged my own children to follow in my footsteps. Concerning this young lady's fate, there is only silence and remorse... I think we all wish we could hug her family for a while.
@Mark.Brindle
@Mark.Brindle 2 жыл бұрын
Breaks my heart, these young pilots trying to build hours in horrible conditions to chase lifelong dreams. It's about time these airlines start training again as QANTAS and others did in the 70s. Once they reach their dream, the reward is treated so badly by many airlines with salary and conditions. I knew a guy flying Bass Straight in his early 20's at night between 1978 and 1981 flying mail and freight from Hobart to Melbourne. So many times he said he was lucky the previous night due to bad weather. Single pilot IFR ops in these conditions would be an incredible workload, especially for low-hour pilots. Something needs to happen to support these pilots while they build time. My sincere condolences to her family and friends. Thank Juan for this unbiased video.
@EmilyTienne
@EmilyTienne 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched a couple of your analyses. Each time you have exercised great respect and sensitivity toward those who perished while providing invaluable information to the rest of us. Deepest sympathy to the pilot’s loved ones.
@mikeoswald8053
@mikeoswald8053 2 жыл бұрын
It is sad to loose a fellow airman that is just starting. However, we humans are granted the ability to judge and/or take chances, even if that may be unwise. It is our gift and damnation. 35+ years ago I was on the team that picked over the remains of a Part 135 commuter that "ducked under"-just one more time- to find that the oak trees on final to the ILS supported runway had grown. Flying airplanes, be it on a Sunday afternoon for a $100 burger, night cargo run in a C207, or a 777 across the pond is serious business. Understand that.
@mmusser62
@mmusser62 2 жыл бұрын
What a sad and painful loss. Thank you for the informative analysis. What a tragedy.
@avfan967
@avfan967 2 жыл бұрын
Juan, not a bad review at all. Appreciate you delivering as many facts as you could or can and being very specific with items that you don’t know unequivocally stating as such. Alternatively, Dan Gryder has done the opposite and what he’s done is gone from “probable cause” to “absolute cause” with horrific opinions, unsubstantiated accusations, tampering with private property in support of his video, reaching out to the family of the deceased and God knows what else. I think he’s absolutely lost his mind at this stage; he went from being controversial to downright despicable. Keep doing what you’re doing and from an aviation perspective, stay as far away from that guy as you possibly can.
@johnnorth9355
@johnnorth9355 2 жыл бұрын
Hard driving snow in a car is bad for awareness - I can only guess how difficult it is in a plane.
@Kevin_747
@Kevin_747 2 жыл бұрын
Very sorry for the young lady's demise. Single pilot part 135 flying such as this is very demanding. I did it from 1979 to late 1982 till I got my shot at my first airline job. It takes a special kind of grit to perform at the level employers expect. There is the addition of self imposed pressure as well. Having local knowledge of the airport can be a detriment sometimes giving false confidence to crowd the numbers a little.
@megenberg8
@megenberg8 2 жыл бұрын
at night you are flying on another planet it would seem.
@kevinfraser573
@kevinfraser573 2 жыл бұрын
>perform at the level employers expect. There is the addition of self imposed pressure as well Thats what i think as well...the more you want to impress the more pressure you have
@oxxnarrdflame8865
@oxxnarrdflame8865 2 жыл бұрын
Man, That’s a sad tale! A nightmare scenario for any pilot. RIP my fellow aviator.
@theblackbear211
@theblackbear211 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan. A sad, sad loss. My heart goes out to her family, and all those who knew her.
@pethraolson6068
@pethraolson6068 2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. My heart goes out to her family 😢❤️❤️🙏
@MikeKobb
@MikeKobb 2 жыл бұрын
So sad. The rest of the aviation community owes it to her to learn from this accident so that others don't suffer the same fate, and your video is part of that, Juan. Thanks. Condolences to her loved ones and friends.
@jimlittle8801
@jimlittle8801 2 жыл бұрын
Juan, I’ve flown that approach in VFR conditions to Burley. It is a challenging approach even VFR. The towers and silos are higher than they look. The runway is short. And the river is kind of a black hole and lower than the runway. I had to go around one time for a flock of several hundred penguins sitting on the approach end and displaced threshold of Rwy 20. Can’t imaging trying to fly it single pilot IFR. Rest In Peace.
@stevez6499
@stevez6499 2 жыл бұрын
Penguins ?
@terrymalone6086
@terrymalone6086 2 жыл бұрын
They have penguins at this airport???
@jimlittle8801
@jimlittle8801 2 жыл бұрын
@@terrymalone6086 Pelicans! Damn you autocorrect!
@the_duke_of_bork8702
@the_duke_of_bork8702 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimlittle8801 If you're down among the penguins you're definitely busting minimums. Also you may want to refresh your nav training.
@frankcabacungan8421
@frankcabacungan8421 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Saddened about this incident and for the pilot, family, and friends that this affected. Your breakdown helps immensely.
@savearhino369
@savearhino369 2 жыл бұрын
again, another thorough video parsing through what information is available in determining what went wrong for Brittany. a sad ending . may she rest in peace. thanks, Juan, for covering these tragic accidents.
@jimdavis1939
@jimdavis1939 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent analysis as always. Man, this was a tough one, working hard to build the time flying freight single pilot IFR in marginal weather. Gone way too soon. RIP young lady.
@hewhohasnoidentity4377
@hewhohasnoidentity4377 2 жыл бұрын
She would have been in a safer position in the right seat of a regional with no additional risk to the public. There are people flying all kinds of aircraft with less hours than she had, but not in those conditions by themselves. The 1500 hour rule was known to be a bad idea before it passed and it has been proven repeatedly. The fact that you can rent a 150 and circle around to get hours should be a hint that the rule was not going to help safety. And insult to injury is the companies that benefit from all the pilots forced to either take these jobs or keep paying to rent planes just to reach the requirement. There is no such thing as a normalized pilot job market but the 1500 rules has to have lowered pay and changed the type of people interested in applying for these positions.
@mike73ng
@mike73ng 2 жыл бұрын
The 1500 hour rule is fine as it is. For every crash like this one there are hundreds of close calls that seasoned those pilots who made it out alive. I’ve flown airliners with 500 hour pilots and I can tell you they are book smart but flying dumb. Every hour you get before you strap on an airliner is a benefit to the flying public.
@DerekJohnson-us7vy
@DerekJohnson-us7vy 2 жыл бұрын
@@mike73ng Agreed. While quanitative measures like the 1500 threshold are not perfect, they are useful filters. Better to have mistakes like this one made at a lower level with no pax on board than on bigger airframes with more souls at risk. (Harsh as that may sound in this context.) RIP.
@mike73ng
@mike73ng 2 жыл бұрын
@T.J. Kong the problem of passing along poor pilots is a serious one. The Amazon 767 that dove into the ground was piloted by a poor pilot. They are everywhere. Nobody wants to be the one who ruins a career.
@hewhohasnoidentity4377
@hewhohasnoidentity4377 2 жыл бұрын
@@mike73ng the Colgan crew involved in the crash that led to the rule had 3,379 and 2,244 hours. I'm really curious how you think requiring 1500 hours makes someone safer than this crew? Keep in mind.... Renting the smallest and cheapest of aircraft and circling around for hours at a time counts as hours. This is absolutely irrelevant to the airline pilot occupation. The time from 0-250 is almost all in training. This is where habits are monitored and there is a focus on learning and passing tests. The time from 250-1500 hours is flying of any kind in any type of aircraft, even privately owned airliners. Most of this time is solo or with another low time pilot also trying to build hours. There is no experienced person to assist or encourage maintaining habits. Under the 1500 hour rule a pilot can be 5 years or more out of training. I can only imagine the quality of the 1500 hour pilots the airlines are having to hire instead of the previous 250 - 500 pilots that they used to hire right out of school and pair up with someone like Juan with a significant amount of experience until they qualified for a full ATP certificate. There hasn't been a fact based argument made to defend the 1500 hour rule. If you have something other than emotion, I'd really like to understand an opposing point of view.
@mike73ng
@mike73ng 2 жыл бұрын
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 more time is better no matter what. Almost nobody circles around in a rented C-152. That’s nonsense. The Colgan crew were both weak. That’s a coincidence. The fact that they both had over 1500 hours isn’t relevant. I fly with all kinds of new first officers. More experience is better than less. Fact.
@blindfreddy
@blindfreddy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your easy to understand and respectful analysis of this event.
@standartenfuhrerhanslanda343
@standartenfuhrerhanslanda343 2 жыл бұрын
So sad. Thank you, Juan, for being yourself and explaining these tragedies in a way that makes sense to me.
@iamthevanavator281
@iamthevanavator281 2 жыл бұрын
Very tragic loss, condolences to her family. Hindsight is 20-20, I teach MDA plus a 50 ft cushion to pass an instrument check ride, to prevent going below MDA and busting. If it’s good enough for an instrument check ride it’s sure good enough in actual when your life is on the line. Better to go to the alternate and live to fight another day and to hell with the external pressures. I calculate a visual descent point at 1.1 NM from RW20 on the approach, if you don’t have the runway environment in sight by then you need to go missed. The other option which is dicey is to descend to circling MDA and if you have the runway environment in sight and the specified visibility try a circle to land. Admittedly that would have been challenging.
@helidogtyler
@helidogtyler 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your informative insight and break down of the intricacies of this approach and incident. Thoughts are with the family.
@Palmit_
@Palmit_ 2 жыл бұрын
sounds like an incredibly difficult situation. Possibly even the most experienced of pilots would be challenged. RIP young aviator. You have your own wings now ❤️. And my sincere sympathy for the family and friends that lost a close spirit so unexpectedly. ❤️❤️❤️
@mohdsharkawiluabdullah2256
@mohdsharkawiluabdullah2256 2 жыл бұрын
Her last instagram posting was on April 04.... and she wrote the caption:" I've been flying so much lately I think I might be growing wings". Such a premonition of omen...she has sensed the demise. So sorry and so very sad indeed.
@Palmit_
@Palmit_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@mohdsharkawiluabdullah2256 oh. that's heartbreaking 💔 bless her. and thanks for the info.
@mostokayestpilot9460
@mostokayestpilot9460 2 жыл бұрын
Just a quick note on the icing thought, this particular 208 was equipped with TKS not pneumatic boots.
@ricksadler797
@ricksadler797 2 жыл бұрын
God bless all involved with this very sad tragedy. 🙏
@filipecoutinho5706
@filipecoutinho5706 2 жыл бұрын
Well it seems your gawd blessed her with death, doesn't it ..
@daffodil71
@daffodil71 2 жыл бұрын
Juan, you can also see, in that picture, a hole in the stack where the wind struck.
@FlywithMagnar
@FlywithMagnar 2 жыл бұрын
Very sad. Condolences to her family. This kind of operation is the most challenging a pilot can experience. Then add the environmental factors and the commercial pressure. Airline operations are much easier because we are two pilots who can share the workload.
@motorTranz
@motorTranz 2 жыл бұрын
May God comfort Brittany's family. My sincerest condolences. Thanks for this information Juan.
@richardmori1389
@richardmori1389 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy Juan’s analyses and appreciate Scott Perdue (and often Dan Gryder ‘s) efforts to convey the age old, steady stream of deadly air accidents. They never seem to sink into the conscience for a significant number of flyers and publicising them and discussing them outside of a sterile and possibly unhelpful report, is valuable. Here we have a classic and sad tale of flight below minimums. With that said, I think it’s important, if this is to be truly valuable, to not water down or excuse accident causes. We all agree the death of someone so young is tragic, so that can be parked. The facts of the matter are nevertheless that this pilot demonstrated a significantly unstable first approach and what was likely a conscious decision to violate the FARs and good judgement and descend well below minimums. If it wasn’t conscious, then skill and certification are front and Center of this accident. The pilot should have understood that their only obligation to the operator was to fly to the minimum if the weather permitted and not more. They should have had the training and knowledge to have understood from the chart and the weather that there was a strong possibility of having to divert and to have done so in good time. The questions that have not been asked so far, the latter harsh but necessary, are 1 . Was there any lighting that could have possibly justified to the pilot descending to 100 feet above threshold? As I recall, that was a 135 rule back in the day? 2 What do the training records show and were they complete and, importantly, meaningful? 3. What was the company culture- was/is there a healthy safety culture? I’m afraid it’s just not acceptable to write this off as a “freight dog accident”. From Gem Air (the operator) to FedEx, there is a huge spectrum of operators, many of whom have NEVER had an accident, at least from this cause and they fly in the same conditions. The difference inevitably is safety culture. To that end, I noticed there seemed to be no post crash fire- was the pilot running out of fuel and under pressure? To emphasise, a tragic and bitter loss and heart felt condolences to the pilot’s friends and family, but we can’t spare others if we start blaming approach design and ignoring the far, far bigger holes in the cheese. Training and safety culture and ultimately personal accountability and discipline. These are three, two and one in terms of causality. The last is in some ways the most difficult to master, but bitterly, in reality, the most easily controllable. Sometimes, the most dangerous element is the desire to persist in a role or a job we are simply not able to perform safely or legally, either because of skill or company culture. Simply put there is nothing in aviation worth dying for.
@jimhuibregtse
@jimhuibregtse 2 жыл бұрын
“That airport needs to be closed, period,” Jim Bob says. “I’m a pilot myself and … many pilots have told me how unsafe the Burley airport is and how they’ve begged the county to relocate it. They’ve allowed this potato processing plant to continue to expand and this chimney comes up and has a huge amount of steam. If the wind is blowing (a certain direction), you fly right into this wall of steam. That was the case that morning.”
@GoofballFlyer
@GoofballFlyer 2 жыл бұрын
Juan, I have accumulated 56 years and 3,700 hours of experience, all PI/SEL. Your accident analysis is spot on and greatly appreciated. Thanks for the time and effort!
@Knee-ko
@Knee-ko 2 жыл бұрын
Tough gig. RIP Brittney. Thanks Juan for the analysis. 👍👍
@wayneschenk5512
@wayneschenk5512 2 жыл бұрын
Great job presenting the information.
@grahaml3449
@grahaml3449 2 жыл бұрын
First off, I agree this is a huge workload for a relatively new pilot, and I'm sorry to hear how it ended for her. When I was training IFR in a 172 here in the Northwest, 80% of my approaches were "non precision". That's what we had. The instructors, and later the examiners emphasized over and over again until I was tired of hearing it: Do Not Go Even One Foot Below the Published Heights. That's why they are there. Did she get distracted looking for the runway? Who knows. But she should have gone around, not gotten low. Or divert to Twin or back to SLC for an ILS. I'd also be interested in how many actual IFR approaches she had done, after training in sunny Mesa.
@spaceranger3728
@spaceranger3728 2 жыл бұрын
Thing about those non-precision approaches, you have to fly them very precisely. It's almost easier to just have a glide slope to fly to.
@gap9992
@gap9992 2 жыл бұрын
@@spaceranger3728 Almost easier ? I'd say much easier
@arturoeugster2377
@arturoeugster2377 2 жыл бұрын
@@spaceranger3728 A non precision approach must be flown with precision.
@Kirk_Mcgurk
@Kirk_Mcgurk 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Juan, much respect for expert analysis and compassion...
@SmittySmithsonite
@SmittySmithsonite 2 жыл бұрын
What a heartbreaker. Prayers for strength for family and friends. That sure looked like a tough approach, especially given that snow. It's times like this where we wish time travel was possible. Thanks for the detailed breakdown as always, Juan. I can clearly see how challenging this approach was, even as a non-pilot.
@bw162
@bw162 2 жыл бұрын
Durning first approached she very likely saw the runway during the miss. That can set you up for going a little lower early and “taking a peak” on the 2nd.
@rrknl5187
@rrknl5187 2 жыл бұрын
THIS^^^^.......a thousand times......... If you see the runway during the go-around, the temptation to dip below minimums on the second one is absolutely awful! "I know it's down there.......just a little bit lower'............ I've found myself in a serious fight with myself more than once.
@bw162
@bw162 2 жыл бұрын
@@rrknl5187 You and every other pilot that lived to talk about it, self included. Absent turbulence or heavy rain, it is easily to get drawn back…just a little lower a little earlier.
@rrknl5187
@rrknl5187 2 жыл бұрын
@@bw162 Lol.....true!
@ronnigibbons9888
@ronnigibbons9888 2 жыл бұрын
Just made a few flights in and out of Burley two weeks ago and found that it is not a very well equipped field. I got in and out with no problems but under VFR conditions. The runways are short and lighting (runway) is minimal. Making a non P approach on LNAV requires the strictest attention to detail. Unfortunately for Brittny she was all alone and had no one to check her progress as she descended into a very restricted scenario. My heart and prayers go out for her and her family. In any event our young pilots are placed in a pressure situation when flying and building hours in these cargo operations, I am sure she felt after the first go around that she would make a successful second approach. All the approaches are not good. She did choose the proper runway for approach. Only had she stuck to the numbers. If we could ask her today, I think she would tell us that attention to detail or a diversion to Twin Falls or a round robin to Salt Lake would have prevented her demise. Our young pilots must realize the packages absolutely do not have to get there overnight! May she rest in peace!
@islandlife756
@islandlife756 2 жыл бұрын
The best comment on this video that I have read so far. Here's my non-pilot take: This field is surrounded by urban areas. Even those who live or work on the ground there are at increased risk because the field needs an upgrade. Unless and until that happens, I think there needs to be stronger and clearer documentation for pilots to consider before they attempt to use it outside of VFR conditions. Many commenters have wondered if having a co-pilot would have made the difference, but maybe there's a compromise solution where someone is available by radio to offer advice before the landing decision is made? IDK if ATC are available in some situations for this. A different service provider may be more appropriate. Excessive crew workload is so often a major part of why crashes occur. The factors leading to this state where piling up for Britney as the flight continued. RIP.
@jamesharris9816
@jamesharris9816 2 жыл бұрын
Management thinks otherwise. Every pilot knows it.
@thesparkypilot
@thesparkypilot 2 жыл бұрын
These stories are so difficult to hear, yet so very important to review. Thanks Juan.
@jamesallen8418
@jamesallen8418 2 жыл бұрын
Juan. I always enjoy your content. Very nice that you personalized Brittney as the pilot.
@sandymj3w633
@sandymj3w633 2 жыл бұрын
My condolences to her loves ones & all that knew her. Not stellar conditions & will be interested to see if icing was an issue. As another posted, no package is worth your life. Thank you Juan for your reporting & knowledge. May she RIP
@KylesLMTVtinyhouse
@KylesLMTVtinyhouse 2 жыл бұрын
This certainly saddens my heart. My thoughts, prayers and condolences go out to her family.
@oscalealvisl
@oscalealvisl 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video juan my heart and prayers go out to her family may she RIP🙏🏽
@roadgeneral
@roadgeneral 2 жыл бұрын
Listening to you analyze this accident reinforces my respect for all pilots and the incredible knowledge and skill it takes to become proficient at flying. All the information needed for landing at this airport, plus inclement weather would make my head swim. I know a lot of what goes on during the landing phase is “automatic” or “routine”, but it’s a very busy time. “Props” to all of you.
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