Great info. I’m a very (EXTREMELY) low multi time pilot and will take possession of a Cessna 441 in about two weeks (currently in escrow). I’ll be doing sim and in-plane training at Simcom in Orlando. Your comment and explanation are very helpful, thanks.

Actually subscribed after a heads-up from Blancolirio

Thanks so much! I'd love to collab with you on a video and talk about many of the misunderstandings and misconceptions associated with flying piston twins. I think both of our audiences would benefit greatly from it.

@@rmshivo Thanks Roy. Glad to have you here. I promise, new stuff is coming at some point.

​@S4 Aviator @Blanocolirio as a follower of both of you I'd love to see a collaboration

that's what brought me here too! :D

god me too

Guess who was the technical advisor and after which plane the MSFS is modeled after? One hint: He is not a BMW guy.

It's already finished editing! Just need to export and upload. Keep your eyes open for it!

Jared LaBarbera Hey Jared. They sure are!

Hey! Thanks! I can go through a basic walk through of the procedures, but we really don't do actual engine shutdowns in this airplane unless we absolutely need to. Its really hard on the engines.

S4 Aviator Absolutely, wasn’t suggesting actual shutdown, just run through of config steps, Id, dead leg, feather, etc... all simulated... good stuff, thx again for taking the time.

There is no part 2

Well that’s disappointing.

Hey Tim! I'm down at our place in Naples, but I'll be heading back up to NY in the next few days on the airlines. Congrats to Carson! Excellent! We need to collaborate one of these days, or just grab lunch at the very least! I should be back out at TUS later this year for LR-JET recurrent.

AVOIDING TREES I hope you do!

Couldn't agree more. Pitching for blue line is useless on two engines. You want a healthy margin of airspeed above blue line. Problem is, many of these people are just totally stuck in their ways. The whole attitude of "I've been doing it this way for decades so it must be right" is dangerous and ridiculous.

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Optimize fuel burn. Not required for optimum power (due to the turbos) but turbocharged engines can still be leaned to reduce fuel flow in the climb, while maintaining the same manifold pressure.

Hey Smoky. The fuel flow values you’re seeing are in pounds, not gallons. So you’re seeing 205pph, or a little over 34gph. You’ll also notice the EGTs (There’s no TIT reference on these engines, it’s a meaningless value) are right where they should be at takeoff power.

Usually done during taxi to help prevent spark plug fouling at low power

Thanks Tim! Absolutely. I earned my multi engine rating in a Twin Comanche, and it was never necessary to climb at blue line for obstacle clearance. Haven't flown an Apache, but that's probably the most underpowered piston twin I can think of, so things may be a bit different there.

I used to own a 150hp Piper Apache.. actually I kept it at MGJ for a couple of weeks before I got a spot at Wurtsboro. I recall that the fat wing on the Apache was a Clark Y airfoil (I believe it’s the same airfoil that’s on the Cub) and it would get airborne well below Vmc speed. You couldn’t hold it on the ground long enough, so I would let it get into ground effect, accelerate to blue line or a little above, then start climbing and retract the gear. I agree with Joe about cruise climbing with extra speed, as you could always turn the extra speed into climb if an engine quits..The rule I had was if the engine failed while the gear was down, I would rip the power on both engines to idle, and land straight ahead. Once the gear was retracted, I would attempt to identify and feather the dead engine and try to climb. I have practiced shutting one down with two people and full tanks, and it will climb at 50fpm or so at 4000 feet, so the old wives tale about the Apache not being able to hold altitude is bs..

Hi Norbert. You're statement regarding airspeed loss after an engine failure just isn't true. Losing that much airspeed after an engine failure can take as little as 15-20 seconds. Think about how much drag comes into play. In addition to the windmilling propeller, which creates an enormous amount of drag, you also have a massive deflection of the rudder that is required to maintain directional control. The windmilling propeller alone creates so much drag that the airplane is physically incapable of climbing until the propeller is feathered. 30 knots of airspeed loss will happen much, much faster than several minutes.

@@s4aviator804 I agree with you and your reasoning. 30kts in minutes was and is an overstretch. Things happen fast in a hurry during an emergency of any kind. I am just guessing that those who advocate climbing out at blue line will gain altitude faster and have more ground under them just in case some was to happen.

Norbert Mudaheranwa I’ve heard that argument. The fatal flaw in that argument is that if you do lose the engine at blue line, the only thing that will prevent you from finding yourself in a VMC roll situation is to aggressively lower the nose to prevent airspeed loss, so you’re giving up that extra altitude gained anyways. Not the right way to fly the airplane. I’m really not a fan of these people who make up techniques based on a flawed understanding of how this stuff works. There’s a reason we train people to fly the way we do. In the jet world, nobody makes it up as they go along. We all get taught to fly the airplane the right way, and nobody tries to act like they’re smarter than the procedure.

Leaning the mixture a bit while the engines are idling at a very low power setting reduces plug fouling. Pretty common technique on engines like these.

Disregard! Just heard Hudson Valley!

We're based up at MGJ!

Cool! Been a fan of your videos... I think that's were I fell for the 414! Keep the videos coming! And I you ever need a reliable, trustworthy safety pilot or SIC, I only approximately 80 miles away! 😁

@@davidktimothy Absolutely! Maybe if I have a trip down that way we can take her for a spin!

You come to me, I come to you! Hey, I'm good any which way!

No, you really can’t. Getting the information, calling for clearance, and programming the navigators takes some time, and if you do it prior to engine start, you’re draining the batteries to do it. Given that you need the batteries to start the engines, it doesn’t make much sense to do it that way. If your time from startup to takeoff was 20 minutes, you’d burn less than one gallon of fuel. Another consideration is that the engine oil needs time to warm up before you ask the engines to make full power for takeoff. So they need to idle for a bit anyways. So really, it wastes no time or money.

@@s4aviator804 thanks S4 Aviator, makes sense now. Thought with 2 engines running it would cost more but thanks for the insight!

aviatortrevor Nothing against Jerry, but I consider myself a professional pilot, whereas Jerry has specifically stated on several occasions that he doesn’t consider himself as such. While I do happen to fly for a living, making me a professional by definition, I choose to hold myself to a professional standard in all of my flying. Whether it’s in my 414, or in the jet. As I’ve told every student I’ve ever worked with, you don’t have to be a professional pilot to fly like one.

Bashing other pilots by name in a public forum to either ingratiate oneself to others or incur approval of "peers" is not...professional. Glad to see you back, Joe.

SKIP MALONEY Hey Skip. I wasn’t trying to bash Jerry, just highlight a profound difference in how we approach our flying. I choose to fly in a professional manner whether I’m flying my airplane, or I’m flying someone else’s airplane. It’s not everybody’s thing.

@@skipmaloney178 If Jerry owned up to his mistakes and showed he was willing to learn from them, I wouldn't bash him. Instead, he does things like bust minimums in an unstable 1500fpm descent and a last second erratic and steep banking, and then he bitches and moans that people are telling him that's illegal and unsafe. Or he crosses over downtown San Francisco below legal minimum altitudes, and claims he didn't bust when it's clear he did. He has a "the rules don't apply to me" hazardous attitude and says he's right and everyone else is wrong. If you're going to say you're right, then be right. Don't tell people that what you're doing is safe or legal when it's not.

@@s4aviator804 Sorry, I was replying to the lead posting. You did exactly the right thing. Really enjoy your vids.

Did you watch the video? What you’re saying was my entire point.

@@s4aviator804 Of course I watched the video. I also read the title of the video.

The video was excellent. As a specialist in flight safety I viewed it in all aspects. The only negative I found was the omission of a question mark instead of a period in the title line. My post was aimed directly at that omission. A nitpick perhaps, but why spoil a very well put together instructive video by including in the title line a direct conflict with the otherwise instructive content in the video body. I'm not trying to pick you apart here. Were I using your video in a safety lecture I'm merely saying I would have changed the title line to read as a question as opposed to what it is........a statement that plainly says to "Pitch To The Blue Line". I hope this serves to better clarify my purpose and intent. My best to you, Dudley Henriques

@@dahenriques Thanks for the feedback Dudley. Although I’m not entirely sure what you mean. The title of the video does, and has since the day it was uploaded years ago, have a question mark at the end.

Interesting! It showed a period On my Mac. In that case please allow me to congratulate you on an excellent video.

Jerry W does an excellent job of explaining things to non pilots and thus kindling the interest in flying.

@@franktrice1497 He does an awful job, but you’d have to be a pilot to know that.

laurentide It has tons of meaning when the takeoff SOP’s change depending on the seat you’re sitting in, and even more so when your SOP’s outline both a “standard” and “nonstandard” procedure for each seat. While I appreciate your input, I’d bear in mind that each company’s SOPs shape the departure briefing before telling someone that what they did is unprofessional. Now in the interest of full disclosure, the “standard left seat takeoff” part of the briefing was a little bit of negative transfer from flying the Lear. I don’t normally begin a takeoff briefing in the 414 that way. But in terms of its applicability on the turbojet air carrier certificate where I’m a Captain, it has quite a bit of meaning, and I’d say following company SOP’s is a professional way to conduct yourself. According to the guys at FlightSafety, there’s a pretty good number of operators out there with SOPs structured this way.

@@s4aviator804 My apologies....my comment was way to brief for a complicated subject. That said, those pilots that post video of themselves on KZfaq as a sort of illustration of what to do or how things are done are putting themselves out there as a sort of pseudo instructor....and there's a lot of misinformation out there, including by some instructors at "Flight Safety". My comment was not said with malice, but with frustration at a practice that major carriers spend time and money to undo. Yes, obviously following company SOP is critical to safety. But a "left seat" never took off any differently than a "right seat" in the same airplane, and if you're briefing the takeoff, it's obvious which seat you're sitting in. I spent my 35 year career as a captain responsible for training at two large passenger carrying airlines, flying a variety of large jets. I was a check airmen and designated examiner (Aircrew Program Designee) as well. The purpose of the before takeoff briefing is for the crew to rehearse a mental plan, including normal procedures, departure procedure, emergencies, and threats that require particular attention, specific to each crew members duty, so that both crew members are prepared to accomplish their actions in a coordinated fashion. A rejected takeoff for example, should be briefed from the perspective of each seat, if they have different duties, so that both are prepared to act if necessary. Don't tell the FO what to do....ask him or her to brief their duties so that you'll know that they know what they're supposed to do. The phrase "standard calls" can be used to require standard calls, and "non standard" calls may be required (for delayed VR for example in windshear. You obviously are a professional...and the farther you advance in your career the more you'll see that some of the things you were taught earlier don't hold up under scrutiny. Best wishes for a long, safe, successful career.

Claude Woodall Just goes to show that no matter what you publish, some people always find a reason to complain. When you take the time to record, edit, and upload videos in your own airplane, feel free to exclude as much time on the ground as you’d like.