"Modern Kata Guruma": it is NOT Kata Guruma (Yoko Sutemi Waza)肩車と横捨身技

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Chadi

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2 жыл бұрын

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@ZenGymBunny
@ZenGymBunny 2 жыл бұрын
Having a collegiate wrestling background, kata guruma confused me so much when I got into judo. In the manuals drop kata guruma is identical to a fireman's carry throw, but in competition it looks completely different.
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
It’s highly complex especially when finishing
@PicaPauDiablo1
@PicaPauDiablo1 2 жыл бұрын
I still find myself amazed at how excellent your vids are. Much appreciated.
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙏🏻🙇🏻‍♂️
@alexandrehuat773
@alexandrehuat773 Ай бұрын
You are the channel I have been looking for. So much dense content. Thank you very much
@Cyclonus5
@Cyclonus5 Жыл бұрын
So my Judo Lineage comes from Kyuzo Mifune, we even informally call our style Canon Judo after his book,, and we spend a lot of time on Kata Guruma and its characteristics, probably because Tama Guruma is considered a Kata Guruma by the Kodokan, so I totally agree with the distinction between Yoko Sutemi waza and Te waza. Supposedly, Mifune-Sensei loved to do Kata Guruma to the front, to the point where my Sensei once said Kodokan Judo finished Kata Guruma kneeling to the Side while Canon Judo finishes standing to the front, though I now get this was somewhat tongue in cheek.
@luch1281
@luch1281 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Incredible footage over interesting and detailed information on the techniques within..... Great video!
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@kenwintin3014
@kenwintin3014 Жыл бұрын
This may be your best video yet. If it is Kodokan Judo, then the Kodokan is the only arbiter of what the proper name of a technique is. Kodokan made a video titled, "Kodokan Judo, various techniques and their names." Many yokosutemi waza can be done inserting your head under the opponent's armpit....yoko otoshi, uki otoshi, even tani otoshi. Their are many other techniques that are called all sorts of names by entities , such as IJF, and only Kodokan has that authority. Next please do a video on seoi otoshi vs tai otoshi and seoinage. Most Europeans and American still think that seoiotoshi is a hybrid of seoinage and taiotoshi, which it is not.
@Chadi
@Chadi Жыл бұрын
Will do, thank you
@fredazcarate4818
@fredazcarate4818 2 жыл бұрын
Chadi I thoroughly enjoyed your video.
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
🙇🏻‍♂️
@beskeptic
@beskeptic 2 жыл бұрын
Very good Chadi! 100%
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
🙇🏻‍♂️
@philamoureux675
@philamoureux675 2 жыл бұрын
My Dad taught Me The more Traditional throw. But He called it a "Fireman's Carry".
@madafaka8784
@madafaka8784 2 жыл бұрын
Kata Guruma originated from wrestling, and that's indeed the name!
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
@@madafaka8784 no it can be found in Sumo and Jujutsu, sure Kano got something from the books but not the technique as a whole
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
Wrestlers call it Fireman’s carry
@madafaka8784
@madafaka8784 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chadi Makes me wonder what firemen call it 🤔
@CuchulainAD
@CuchulainAD 2 жыл бұрын
@@madafaka8784 Work
@shadowfighter6445
@shadowfighter6445 2 жыл бұрын
I remember learning a technique in BJJ that was kinda like kata guruma, but you use your leg to block and trip the opponents legs making it a yoko type of technique perhaps. Thank you for sharing ☺️.
@pasteghost428
@pasteghost428 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes. The classic set ofHelio Gracie school of techniques.
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
It’s probably yoko otoshi with a leg grab, it’s easier than kata guruma
@shadowfighter6445
@shadowfighter6445 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chadi Yep I looked it up, it's definitely a Yoko otoshi with a leg grab. It's actually one of my favorite techniques 😄.
@Tentaisei
@Tentaisei 2 жыл бұрын
Been saying this for years it's Yoko otoshi
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@bigtimepimpin666
@bigtimepimpin666 2 жыл бұрын
Chadi, i thought the new Judo competitiom rules did not allow for grabbing the legs.
@mekugi
@mekugi 11 ай бұрын
I just rewatched this video looking at some of the sutemi waza in old school martial arts. I have a technique in mind from Tenjin Shinyo Ryu that has a relationship to yoko otoshi...and now kata guruma. Maybe....
@Chadi
@Chadi 11 ай бұрын
Is it tama guruma???
@mekugi
@mekugi 11 ай бұрын
@@Chadi it's at 06:35 here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qd91qZyeq6qYhXU.html I am not sure of the name! 🤓
@joaopedrogomes2868
@joaopedrogomes2868 Жыл бұрын
I agree 100%.
@NivoUF
@NivoUF 2 жыл бұрын
Someone finally has said it! There is little to no hand action that should drive kata kuruma in today’s kata gurumas
@christophervelez1561
@christophervelez1561 2 жыл бұрын
Drop Kata garuma/drop seoi nage are my favorite takedowns for bjj.
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@a.m.4479
@a.m.4479 3 ай бұрын
Does somebody know the backgroud music????
@mariorauldelapena2052
@mariorauldelapena2052 2 жыл бұрын
Gran video!!!Bendiciones!!!!
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
🙇🏻‍♂️
@honigdachs.
@honigdachs. 2 жыл бұрын
I don't really know anything about Judo, I'm just hanging around here for fun and education. The actual kata guruma shown around the 5:05 mark to me is a fireman's carry. This "modern" technique starts the same, but adds a high probability of you ending up in a rear naked choke or a north-south. 😀
@kenwintin3014
@kenwintin3014 Жыл бұрын
The founder of Judo, Jigoro Kano developed kata guruma after seeing fireman's carry in a wrestling book. It enabled him to throw a large bully in his Tenshin Shinyo Ryu dojo, when he was still doing jujutsu.
@halimsiad7346
@halimsiad7346 Жыл бұрын
The last technique is te guruma
@sevasentinel4146
@sevasentinel4146 Жыл бұрын
I don't feel right calling it Yoko Otoshi in many cases due to it not resembling the "official" way the technique is done, especially in the Kodokan example shown. The way I see it is that Kata should be included if uke is closed in on tori's shoulders, so that the torso is behind tori's head. Then of course it's guruma if there's lift as you said, but otoshi if there's no lift and just pull.
@TheOriginalJAX
@TheOriginalJAX 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've been injured by a leg grab kinda going wrong, landed on my knee and pulled the tendon in my groin. Not the worst thing to ever happen but still was not happy about it. They should just strictly prohibit those techniques from being taught to the newbs instead of banning them outright, The risks are real sure but it's mostly inexperience.
@NickKano11
@NickKano11 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah BJJ has a good way of doing it: certain techniques aren't allowed in competition until reaching a certain belt.
@TheOriginalJAX
@TheOriginalJAX 2 жыл бұрын
@@NickKano11 That sounds like the way on this, if only Judo would adopt this approach within the regulations, It's not like the Judo federations couldn't take a few cues from the BJJ world I must admit.
@zombie-pq9xz
@zombie-pq9xz 2 жыл бұрын
레스링 기술 갖기도 하네유..
@prasantadebnath1827
@prasantadebnath1827 2 жыл бұрын
What!!!!!
@alittlepuertoricanboy1993
@alittlepuertoricanboy1993 2 жыл бұрын
Is the real kata guruma banned in modern judo shiai???
@cucciafr68
@cucciafr68 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, because you cannot grab the legs.
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
You can do it like Shmailov
@Chadi
@Chadi 2 жыл бұрын
@@cucciafr68 even if you grab the leg you can still end up doing something different
@cucciafr68
@cucciafr68 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chadi Sorry, I mispoke. I meant the "real" as in kata version. Kuzure kata guruma is good. One of my friends, the first tournament the leg grabs were illegal, did standing kata guruma with one arm. He tucked the other into his stomach and pulled them over his back basically. Impressive
@shinobidaimyo5135
@shinobidaimyo5135 2 жыл бұрын
There are Freestyle Judo competitions that allow it.
A judo world that doesn't exist anymore
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